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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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electricnomad8 electricnomad8 Member
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#4661 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:It appears the only way to truly discourage Russian aggression is to force a complete withdrawal from Ukraine right now. To prevent future incursions, they would need to be heavily armed and integrated into a serious military alliance.

And it isn't just the Russians. It's Americans, the Chinese, and plenty of others across the globe. The world is on fire while greedy businessmen preen themselves next to the poor and the endless death. (A little pathos doesn't hurt.)
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4662 ·
coastalbison6 said:The Kremlin's propaganda machine is trying to convince people that Ukrainians will just forgive and forget Putin's crimes. They’re drawing parallels to Chechnya and making this ridiculous claim that one day, Ukrainians will join forces with Russians to attack Poland and Germany.
https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/s...iT3S7kVrlkNoWg

They’re debunking their own lies every single day...
We already knew the US was next on the list. Hopefully, even those who fell for the brainwashing about the "special military operation" to protect Russians in Donbas will finally wake up and realize what's happening now.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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joined Jan 2023
#4663 ·
coastalbison6 said:The Kremlin's propaganda machine is trying to convince people that Ukrainians will just forgive and forget Putin's crimes. They’re drawing parallels to Chechnya and making this ridiculous claim that one day, Ukrainians will join forces with Russians to attack Poland and Germany.
https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/s...iT3S7kVrlkNoWg

😵😵😵 what absolute idiots...

These morons don't even get it yet. By invading Ukraine, they basically built themselves an iron curtain right on the border that's gonna stay there for at least the next 100 years. They’re gonna get kicked out of Ukrainian territory, period. Plus, those sanctions? They're gonna absolutely wreck their economy and lifestyle for years to come...

🙂I was reading this in the news yesterday, can't remember if it was the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal...

Foreign companies in Russia make up about 12% of the workforce.
The fallout from them leaving is huge—economic activity is tanking, and we're talking over a thousand companies that account for roughly 40% of the Russian GDP.
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#4664 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:😵😵😵 what absolute idiots...

These morons don't even get it yet. By invading Ukraine, they basically built themselves an iron curtain right on the border that's gonna stay there for at least the next 100 years. They’re gonna get kicked out of Ukrainian territory, period. Plus, those sanctions? They're gonna absolutely wreck their economy and lifestyle for years to come...

🙂I was reading this in the news yesterday, can't remember if it was the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal...

Foreign companies in Russia make up about 12% of the workforce.
The fallout from them leaving is huge—economic activity is tanking, and we're talking over a thousand companies that account for roughly 40% of the Russian GDP.

You simply cannot have it both ways—you can't run a Russian imperial empire and a 21st-century democratic state at the same time.

They made their choice, and now the rest of us just have to deal with the consequences.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4665 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:You simply cannot have it both ways—you can't run a Russian imperial empire and a 21st-century democratic state at the same time.

They made their choice, and now the rest of us just have to deal with the consequences.

I honestly feel like a lot of people still don't quite wrap their heads around what's actually happening here; this whole thing is basically a fresh wave of colonial conquest by an empire that never truly dealt with its own colonial past. It feels like Putin is just living out that old logic famously attributed to Catherine the Great:
"The only way to defend my borders is to expand them."

“I have no way to defend my borders but to extend them.”

― Catherine the Great


Look at the pattern—they didn't stop at Transnistria, they didn't stop in Ossetia or Abkhazia, and they certainly didn't stop in Crimea, the Donbas, or the Kherson Oblast. Anyone who thinks they’re going to be satisfied once they grab all of Ukraine is seriously kidding themselves. As long as that mindset is festering inside The Kremlin and being pushed by guys like Dugin, this situation is just going to keep spreading like a tumor.
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4666 ·
goldenowl73 said:I honestly feel like a lot of people still don't quite wrap their heads around what's actually happening here; this whole thing is basically a fresh wave of colonial conquest by an empire that never truly dealt with its own colonial past. It feels like Putin is just living out that old logic famously attributed to Catherine the Great:
"The only way to defend my borders is to expand them."

“I have no way to defend my borders but to extend them.”

― Catherine the Great


Look at the pattern—they didn't stop at Transnistria, they didn't stop in Ossetia or Abkhazia, and they certainly didn't stop in Crimea, the Donbas, or the Kherson Oblast. Anyone who thinks they’re going to be satisfied once they grab all of Ukraine is seriously kidding themselves. As long as that mindset is festering inside The Kremlin and being pushed by guys like Dugin, this situation is just going to keep spreading like a tumor.

🕺Honestly, I think they totally blew it with the invasion of Ukraine. In their desperate rush to rebuild the Russian empire, they should've just flipped the script to--
🙂the only way to protect our borders is to pull back and stay out of our neighbors' business, otherwise we might lose everything we have left...
Terry Green3 Terry Green3 Active Member
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#4667 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:It appears the only way to truly discourage Russian aggression is to force a complete withdrawal from Ukraine right now. To prevent future incursions, they would need to be heavily armed and integrated into a serious military alliance.

Fight fire with fire. As long as Europe sticks to this pacifist mindset, the aggressor next door is going to see it as nothing but weakness.

Looking at how things are moving, I honestly think the only solution left is a full military mobilization across Europe and stepping directly into a real conventional war with Russia.
All these sanctions and the corruption in Ukraine aren't doing a damn thing.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#4668 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:It appears the only way to truly discourage Russian aggression is to force a complete withdrawal from Ukraine right now. To prevent future incursions, they would need to be heavily armed and integrated into a serious military alliance.

Right now, Ukraine doesn't have the muscle to force them out. Give it two or three years, after a few more "referendums," and those areas will just be part of the Russian Federation. At that point, we might be looking at 🍿
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
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#4669 ·
Check out this "Peacekeeper" hit list—which somehow includes our own Commander-in-Chief (Joe Biden)—leaked right on a NATO domain:

https://twitter.com/timand2037/statu...zlM0blaPLrCLaw

None of this is actually true. 😵
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#4670 ·
It’s been two whole days and not a single soul has weighed in on this...

Erdoğan: Crimea is Ukrainian
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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joined Jan 2023
#4671 ·
silentnomad7 said:It’s been two whole days and not a single soul has weighed in on this...

Erdoğan: Crimea is Ukrainian

☕Not much to even say here—all that occupied land is Ukrainian territory, Crimea, Donbas, all of it.
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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#4672 ·
Check out these figures on what everyone was dumping into their military budgets back in 2021—measured in billions of dollars:

1) USA: $801 billion
2) China: $293 billion
3) India: $76 billion
4) England: $68 billion
5) Russia: $66 billion
6) France: $57 billion
7) Germany: $56 billion
8) Saudi Arabia: $56 billion
9) Japan: $54 billion
10) South Korea: $50 billion
11) All others combined: $536 billion

I wonder, what was it they said about how far Putin actually needs to go to reach the Atlantic?...

Looking at these numbers, it turns out the EU was spending at least five times more on defense in 2021 than Russia was! Quite a gap, isn't it?...
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4673 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Right now, Ukraine doesn't have the muscle to force them out. Give it two or three years, after a few more "referendums," and those areas will just be part of the Russian Federation. At that point, we might be looking at 🍿

🙂and who's even supposed to vote in those referendums—Chechens, North Koreans, or those little guys from Ingushetia and other far-off Siberian expanses being drafted for the war in Ukraine...

🙂those occupied areas are never gonna join Russia, they're all just waiting in line for their turn to get towed back to Moscow 🤣
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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#4674 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:☕Not much to even say here—all that occupied land is Ukrainian territory, Crimea, Donbas, all of it.

So, I guess even the Putin followers are in agreement on this one!
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
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#4675 ·
silentnomad7 said:So, I guess even the Putin followers are in agreement on this one!

😁Whether they agree or not, that's their business...

They're gonna get smacked, and honestly, they can kiss my gu**cu on the way out...🐔
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#4676 ·
wiredseal7 said:Check out this "Peacekeeper" hit list—which somehow includes our own Commander-in-Chief (Joe Biden)—leaked right on a NATO domain:

https://twitter.com/timand2037/statu...zlM0blaPLrCLaw

None of this is actually true. 😵

"NATO" is simply the username of the individual posting on Peacekeeper. Honestly, if Putin's trolls smeared filth on a piece of bread and handed it to you to eat, wouldn't you claim you've never tasted a better Nutella?
Arthur Watson4 Arthur Watson4 Active Member
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#4677 ·
wiredseal7 said:Check out this "Peacekeeper" hit list—which somehow includes our own Commander-in-Chief (Joe Biden)—leaked right on a NATO domain:

https://twitter.com/timand2037/statu...zlM0blaPLrCLaw

None of this is actually true. 😵

Other things might not be true, but I'm not risking a ban over this. It's not worth it. ☕
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#4678 ·
Those psychopaths in the Moscow bunker need to be dealt with by special ops... just to finish him once and for all.
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#4679 ·
wiredseal7 said:Check out this "Peacekeeper" hit list—which somehow includes our own Commander-in-Chief (Joe Biden)—leaked right on a NATO domain:

https://twitter.com/timand2037/statu...zlM0blaPLrCLaw

None of this is actually true. 😵

Why would you lie to an already struggling nation like this? ☕

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Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#4680 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:Why would you lie to an already struggling nation like this? ☕

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He isn't lying, per se; he simply refuses to engage his own intellect, choosing instead to faithfully consume the propagandistic nonsense peddled by Putin's useful Twitter idiots and paid mercenaries. This isn't the first time he has embarrassed himself so thoroughly, and I can assure you, it certainly won't be the last.

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