Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Both sides end up desperate for a hit of copium whenever things stall on the battlefield—falling for disinformation, tripping over bad translations, and all that. But this stuff above? It’s a whole new level of crazy.

analogbear5 said:Both sides end up desperate for a hit of copium whenever things stall on the battlefield—falling for disinformation, tripping over bad translations, and all that. But this stuff above? It’s a whole new level of crazy.

Based on everything we've seen so far, this isn't exactly a shocker.

Dana Robinson4 said:Well, I suppose so,

but you simply cannot go around stealing from others while expecting that nobody will ever come for what belongs to you, can you?

So, what—are we supposed to just respect the military of a country that literally seized part of our territory?

Anthony Hill5 said:Good grief. This website has absolutely nothing to do with NATO servers or NATO as an organization. What I am reading here is nothing short of a farce.

Everything is explained perfectly right below

In that case, NATO—as the domain owner—set the routing to the specific IP address where these guys are hosting their stuff. They’re implicated, even if just by providing the service.

wiredseal7 said:In that case, NATO—as the domain owner—set the routing to the specific IP address where these guys are hosting their stuff. They’re implicated, even if just by providing the service.

Man, you are absolutely clueless...
NATO isn't providing them any kind of service whatsoever...
The idea that NATO is at fault just because they exist on the internet is ridiculous...

wiredseal7 said:In that case, NATO—as the domain owner—set the routing to the specific IP address where these guys are hosting their stuff. They’re implicated, even if just by providing the service.

No, NATO didn't change any settings; this was a semi-hack, just like Anthony Hill5 explained above. To put it simply, it’s a domain hijacking where a "phantom address" is set on the Content Diffusion Network. CDNs, or Content Diffusion Networks, are used to make things like images and videos load faster and more efficiently.

However, since major corporations and institutions like Microsoft and Google—and even NATO—frequently use CDNs, I’d imagine these kinds of players would know how to protect themselves from this sort of takeover, though I can't say for sure. At the very least, the implication for NATO is that their security wasn't tight enough.

Personally, I find it bizarre that NATO would support a site like Mirotvorets. Aside from being poorly built and looking totally prehistoric, it clearly isn't officially connected to the Ukrainian government in any way. I have nothing against publishing a list of criminals—who will likely go unpunished anyway—but it needs to be legally sound and handled more professionally. Besides, it's completely ridiculous that our clumsy Joe Biden ended up on a "criminals" list.😵 (Not directly on the main page, but his photo is in the "criminals" folder and his name shows up in the URL)

On the other hand, these are people fighting as best they can against aggression. It honestly turns my stomach when people pick apart every tiny detail of an attacked nation just to find a way to equate them with the aggressor. Tattoos, greetings, hacking... they claim they're "just like the Russians." This is exactly what happened in America, yet Americans still don't know how to respond properly, choosing instead to stay defensive and make excuses (like this recent mess with the pilot accusations). It seems like Ukrainians won't follow that same path.

Thirdly, the truly foolish part is that Russian propagandists fell for it. NATO basically handed over its server address to Mirotvorets, though I'm not sure what the real benefit is, since they'll just use it to further fuel their public against the West. The goal should really be the opposite: making Russians realize that nobody hates them or wants their downfall, but rather that their own policies are what's wrong.

wiredseal7 said:In that case, NATO—as the domain owner—set the routing to the specific IP address where these guys are hosting their stuff. They’re implicated, even if just by providing the service.

Will you please just stop? 🤣 🤦

Think twice before you let those Putin-esque trolls try to hide garbage inside a jar of Nutella.

Looks like Russian gas isn't finding new buyers nearly as fast as they hoped...

Check out this comment: Gas wells aren't some kitchen faucet you can just turn off whenever you feel like it. My dad spent his entire career working on drill sites, and when those Russians started threatening to cut off the supply, the first thing he said was, "Are these guys out of their minds?!" Once a gas well is set up for extraction, any massive pressure shifts can wreck its capacity—and God forbid you actually try to shut it down completely. The pressure keeps building inside, and that gas is going to find an exit somewhere else. Sure, you could try drilling a new one later, but who knows if it’ll have the capacity or even be viable at all. So, all this flaring we're seeing? It’s probably just a byproduct of insane pressure buildup in the pipelines—they're basically burning it off just to get the compression back to something manageable because, like I said, you can't just flip a switch on a well. Honestly, Putin using gas shut-offs as a threat is just classic bluffing from a total liar.

Arthur Miller7 said:Looks like Russian gas isn't finding new buyers nearly as fast as they hoped...

Check out this comment: Gas wells aren't some kitchen faucet you can just turn off whenever you feel like it. My dad spent his entire career working on drill sites, and when those Russians started threatening to cut off the supply, the first thing he said was, "Are these guys out of their minds?!" Once a gas well is set up for extraction, any massive pressure shifts can wreck its capacity—and God forbid you actually try to shut it down completely. The pressure keeps building inside, and that gas is going to find an exit somewhere else. Sure, you could try drilling a new one later, but who knows if it’ll have the capacity or even be viable at all. So, all this flaring we're seeing? It’s probably just a byproduct of insane pressure buildup in the pipelines—they're basically burning it off just to get the compression back to something manageable because, like I said, you can't just flip a switch on a well. Honestly, Putin using gas shut-offs as a threat is just classic bluffing from a total liar.

Wait, how does that work?

All those Chomsky fans and Russia-lovers on these boards were telling me that the Russians would just sell the gas to China tomorrow and call it a day... 🤣

It’s just more proof that modern-day Russia is still clinging to that old-school Catherine the Great logic—basically believing the only way they can actually secure their borders is by constantly expanding them.

I was scrolling through my feed and saw these massive billboards popping up all over Russia that literally say "Russia's borders never end" . It's wild. https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/...epZmGgw81yfK0w

If anyone is still sitting there wondering whether Russia intends to stay put in Crimea, the Donbas, Kherson, Odessa, Kyiv, or just take over all of Ukraine... well, let me tell you, that colonial imperialist mindset is alive and kicking in the Kremlin.

goldenowl73 said:It’s just more proof that modern-day Russia is still clinging to that old-school Catherine the Great logic—basically believing the only way they can actually secure their borders is by constantly expanding them.

I was scrolling through my feed and saw these massive billboards popping up all over Russia that literally say "Russia's borders never end" . It's wild. https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/...epZmGgw81yfK0w

If anyone is still sitting there wondering whether Russia intends to stay put in Crimea, the Donbas, Kherson, Odessa, Kyiv, or just take over all of Ukraine... well, let me tell you, that colonial imperialist mindset is alive and kicking in the Kremlin.

Meanwhile, our neighbors are practically jumping out of their skins with excitement.
Lp

Žižek wrote a solid piece about these "pacifists," drawing lines between the new right wing and Putin....

As the main player in this cultural war, the Kremlin has used its proxies to intervene not just in Mexico, but also in Canada—warning them not to even dream about joining NATO. Unfortunately, Western leftists and pacifists completely miss the geopolitical dimension of Putin's "denazification" project. As Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the British Democratic Party, recently complained: "Sending weapons to Ukraine won't bring a solution; it will only prolong this war. The War in Ukraine could drag on for years."

This whole stance basically implies that Western governments should just let Russia occupy Ukraine. It’s a bizarre kind of "pacifism"—one that puts pressure on the victim (telling them they shouldn't defend themselves too vigorously) and their supporters (telling them they shouldn't help the victim much), rather than putting pressure on the aggressor.

Western "pacifists" are demanding that we "de-demonize" Putin. Their logic? Since negotiations will have to happen sooner or later, we ought to treat him like a future partner. Honestly, it should be the exact opposite: the attack on Ukraine forces us to re-demonize Putin—not necessarily as an individual, but as the face of a dangerous geopolitical and ideological project.

Man, Solovyov just had another massive meltdown on air. This time he’s gone after Scholz, actually imitating Hitler! It’s honestly wild how the average Russian TV viewer just swallows this stuff whole without blinking. I really hope someone clips this and pushes it out to the major news networks over in Germany today, because let's be real—any shred of intelligence left in Moscow just checked out for the night.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...RczX3sek5-6aDA

goldenowl73 said:Man, Solovyov just had another massive meltdown on air. This time he’s gone after Scholz, actually imitating Hitler! It’s honestly wild how the average Russian TV viewer just swallows this stuff whole without blinking. I really hope someone clips this and pushes it out to the major news networks over in Germany today, because let's be real—any shred of intelligence left in Moscow just checked out for the night.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...RczX3sek5-6aDA

What an idiot, honestly. If we’re going by that logic, every single president imitates Hitler at some point. 🤦

Like for example:

hollowowl15 said:Žižek wrote a solid piece about these "pacifists," drawing lines between the new right wing and Putin....

As the main player in this cultural war, the Kremlin has used its proxies to intervene not just in Mexico, but also in Canada—warning them not to even dream about joining NATO. Unfortunately, Western leftists and pacifists completely miss the geopolitical dimension of Putin's "denazification" project. As Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the British Democratic Party, recently complained: "Sending weapons to Ukraine won't bring a solution; it will only prolong this war. The War in Ukraine could drag on for years."

This whole stance basically implies that Western governments should just let Russia occupy Ukraine. It’s a bizarre kind of "pacifism"—one that puts pressure on the victim (telling them they shouldn't defend themselves too vigorously) and their supporters (telling them they shouldn't help the victim much), rather than putting pressure on the aggressor.

Western "pacifists" are demanding that we "de-demonize" Putin. Their logic? Since negotiations will have to happen sooner or later, we ought to treat him like a future partner. Honestly, it should be the exact opposite: the attack on Ukraine forces us to re-demonize Putin—not necessarily as an individual, but as the face of a dangerous geopolitical and ideological project.

There are even better ones...

The War in Ukraine, six months in

...or maybe this one...

The War in Ukraine : no-win situation for The Left

Anthony Hill5 said:Will you please just stop? 🤣 🤦

Think twice before you let those Putin-esque trolls try to hide garbage inside a jar of Nutella.

Fine, I'll concede that once you explain the actual files aren't sitting on NATO servers—but that doesn't mean NATO isn't providing the redirection service itself.

If you're claiming otherwise, then either you or some other expert needs to give us a tutorial on how to easily snag our own web address—say, masker.natocdn.net—to redirect requests to any IP we want without having to actually talk to the NATO admin team or deal with the organization at all. 😉

Maybe you already have your own URL over there, but it’s gotta be something reproducible for the rest of us regular folks. 😬

Thomas Walker84 said:No, NATO didn't change any settings; this was a semi-hack, just like Anthony Hill5 explained above. To put it simply, it’s a domain hijacking where a "phantom address" is set on the Content Diffusion Network. CDNs, or Content Diffusion Networks, are used to make things like images and videos load faster and more efficiently.

However, since major corporations and institutions like Microsoft and Google—and even NATO—frequently use CDNs, I’d imagine these kinds of players would know how to protect themselves from this sort of takeover, though I can't say for sure. At the very least, the implication for NATO is that their security wasn't tight enough.

Personally, I find it bizarre that NATO would support a site like Mirotvorets. Aside from being poorly built and looking totally prehistoric, it clearly isn't officially connected to the Ukrainian government in any way. I have nothing against publishing a list of criminals—who will likely go unpunished anyway—but it needs to be legally sound and handled more professionally. Besides, it's completely ridiculous that our clumsy Joe Biden ended up on a "criminals" list.😵 (Not directly on the main page, but his photo is in the "criminals" folder and his name shows up in the URL)

On the other hand, these are people fighting as best they can against aggression. It honestly turns my stomach when people pick apart every tiny detail of an attacked nation just to find a way to equate them with the aggressor. Tattoos, greetings, hacking... they claim they're "just like the Russians." This is exactly what happened in America, yet Americans still don't know how to respond properly, choosing instead to stay defensive and make excuses (like this recent mess with the pilot accusations). It seems like Ukrainians won't follow that same path.

Thirdly, the truly foolish part is that Russian propagandists fell for it. NATO basically handed over its server address to Mirotvorets, though I'm not sure what the real benefit is, since they'll just use it to further fuel their public against the West. The goal should really be the opposite: making Russians realize that nobody hates them or wants their downfall, but rather that their own policies are what's wrong.

That's not really a (semi-)hack. In my opinion, someone inside the organization has to have enabled this.

Since big players like Microsoft and Google use CDNs, and so does NATO, I'd assume these kinds of entities would know how to protect themselves from this sort of hijacking—though I can't say for sure. Either way, the implication is that NATO just didn't secure things properly.

Personally, I find it bizarre that NATO would support a site like Myrotvorets, since—aside from being poorly built, messy, and totally prehistoric—it clearly isn't tied to the Ukrainian government or anything "official." I don't have an issue with publishing lists of criminals who will likely go unpunished anyway, but there should be a better legal framework for it. Besides, it's just plain ridiculous that our clumsy Milanović ended up on a "criminals" list. (Not directly on the site, but his photo is in the "criminals" folder and his name is in the URL.) 😵

Security usually requires logging in or asking someone to configure where a redirect goes—like for pbs4ukr.
I'm guessing they gave that access to their Department of Defense, and then passed it along to the crew running Myrotvorets.
The bottom line is they’re basically providing a service to that crew. Whether it's intentional or just incompetence doesn't really change how absurd this whole thing is, especially given the kind of content we're talking about.

On the flip side, you've got people fighting the best they can against an invasion. It honestly sickens me when people try to nitpick the defending side just to find some way to equate them with the aggressor. Tattoos, greetings, hacking—they even shoot back—but apparently, that makes them just like the Russians. We saw this happen here in America too, and Americans still haven't figured out how to respond properly—instead, they just get defensive and make excuses (like this recent shapeless mess with those pilot accusations). Honestly, it looks like the Ukrainians won't be making the same mistakes Americans do.

Hmh, having our President put on a hit list isn't exactly "nitpicking," especially since a civilian from that list was recently killed in a terrorist attack. I guess that's just their way of intimidating anyone who refuses to fall in line with the standard public narrative on Ukraine.
And the real kicker is that people were more busy looking for flaws in NATO's service than actually looking at what's happening to Ukraine. At least NATO is a somewhat serious organization.

goldenowl73 said:Man, Solovyov just had another massive meltdown on air. This time he’s gone after Scholz, actually imitating Hitler! It’s honestly wild how the average Russian TV viewer just swallows this stuff whole without blinking. I really hope someone clips this and pushes it out to the major news networks over in Germany today, because let's be real—any shred of intelligence left in Moscow just checked out for the night.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...RczX3sek5-6aDA

Give the man his mansion back; he’s clearly lost his mind. 🤣 🤣

goldenowl73 said:Man, Solovyov just had another massive meltdown on air. This time he’s gone after Scholz, actually imitating Hitler! It’s honestly wild how the average Russian TV viewer just swallows this stuff whole without blinking. I really hope someone clips this and pushes it out to the major news networks over in Germany today, because let's be real—any shred of intelligence left in Moscow just checked out for the night.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...RczX3sek5-6aDA

It’s state-run Russian television, after all—as one commentator so aptly pointed out.

rowdytiger13 said:Give the man his mansion back; he’s clearly lost his mind. 🤣 🤣

This whole thing is just plain twisted for them too.

But hey, I guess that's what happens when you've got grandmas and grandpas out in the middle of nowhere swallowing everything they're told. Honestly, Poland is looking pretty rough right now. 🤣

Rural Russians name a country they don't like

How a Russian woman and a Ukrainian woman actually experience this war:
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...k_Bp3mJIsVlQTA