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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Terry Green3 Terry Green3 Active Member
149 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8561 ·
dustyfalcon122 said:That's it exactly—false flags and pure distraction. Putin doesn't even think gas will ever flow through there during his lifetime, so the whole pipeline is basically useless to him anyway.
I bet the Americans would rather mess with Canada and Mexico or go after the Turkish pipeline than deal with an empty pipe that won't even start moving for at least another ten years.

Canada and Mexico are completely irrelevant to this conflict. They don't move the needle. Biden is heading to France now just to shore up the alliance. What's happening with S1 and S2 is far more significant from an economic and political standpoint than what you're pointing out.
Bradley White73 Bradley White73 Active Member
78 messages
joined Sep 2020
#8562 ·
Terry Green3 said:As for Russ, the only motive I can spot is exactly what we're doing right now: sowing confusion and doubt.
But is it worth billions in investment? Any rational person would say no. And like I mentioned before, it’s a disaster waiting to happen because Russ is completely unpredictable—like a madman swinging a knife that you can only stop by shooting him.
For the Americans, the only goal is to ensure they don't trust Europeans, especially Germans. Again, unbelievable.

Maybe they do trust them, but I guess there's no harm in double-checking. 😁

(Personally, I’m staying pretty agnostic regarding the pipeline situation for now; I'll just wait to see what the investigation actually turns up).
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
86 messages
joined Mar 2022
#8563 ·
Looks like people are starting to doubt the USA. Nice move, Putin—smart play.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
311 messages
joined Apr 2019
#8564 ·
Crazy Putin ordered the mining himself. Now he’s just waiting for his loyal bots to start spreading rumors that the USA was behind it. ☕
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#8565 ·
Terry Green3 said:As for Russ, the only motive I can spot is exactly what we're doing right now: sowing confusion and doubt.
But is it worth billions in investment? Any rational person would say no. And like I mentioned before, it’s a disaster waiting to happen because Russ is completely unpredictable—like a madman swinging a knife that you can only stop by shooting him.
For the Americans, the only goal is to ensure they don't trust Europeans, especially Germans. Again, unbelievable.

Nord Stream 2 was basically dead on arrival anyway; it never even really got going. And let's be real, NS1 was heading for the exact same fate once Germany started distancing itself from Russian gas.
Then you've got the maintenance costs for dead pipelines sitting on the owner (Russia). Now that the pipeline is trashed, those costs are gone, and hey, maybe you can even squeeze some cash out of insurance.
Plus, it definitely stirs the pot in the West.

James Phillips92 said:I’d lean toward the Americans. I just don't see much of a reason for the Russians to go through with it.

What's the actual endgame for the Americans blowing up an inactive, half-dead pipeline? To have it come out that they did it, just so relations with all of Europe sour again, and to prove to the rest of the world once more that they're the bad guys fueling the conflict?
dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#8566 ·
We’ve already seen exactly who’s been making all the insane moves over the last nine months—Russia..
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
81 messages
joined Jul 2019
#8567 ·
dustyfalcon122 said:That's it exactly—false flags and pure distraction. Putin doesn't even think gas will ever flow through there during his lifetime, so the whole pipeline is basically useless to him anyway.
I bet the Americans would rather mess with Canada and Mexico or go after the Turkish pipeline than deal with an empty pipe that won't even start moving for at least another ten years.

A decade?! Are you kidding me?

That "empty" pipeline (talking about both NS1 and NS2 here) could be running within 24 hours if they wanted. All Germany would have to do is ask Putin for the gas. Simple, right?

But nah, heaven forbid anyone asks "if" or "how" Germany might decide to pull the trigger in a few months... now, there's just nothing left to talk about.

The explosion—hitting 2.1 and 1.9 on the Richter scale—absolutely leveled everything "down there." For those who don't have a grasp on how much explosives you need to pull off something like that, let me break it down for you... a 2.0 magnitude hit is roughly equivalent to 1,000kg of TNT.
Terry Green3 Terry Green3 Active Member
149 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8568 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Nord Stream 2 was basically dead on arrival anyway; it never even really got going. And let's be real, NS1 was heading for the exact same fate once Germany started distancing itself from Russian gas.
Then you've got the maintenance costs for dead pipelines sitting on the owner (Russia). Now that the pipeline is trashed, those costs are gone, and hey, maybe you can even squeeze some cash out of insurance.
Plus, it definitely stirs the pot in the West.

What's the actual endgame for the Americans blowing up an inactive, half-dead pipeline? To have it come out that they did it, just so relations with all of Europe sour again, and to prove to the rest of the world once more that they're the bad guys fueling the conflict?

In that scenario, I’m playing the hand where the explosives were planted by the FBI during construction. If this operation was carried out by the Russians now, it’s worse than a drone flying over all of Canada and crashing into the capital of a NATO member. It makes you wonder about their defense readiness.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8569 ·
James Phillips92 said:I’d lean toward the Americans. I just don't see much of a reason for the Russians to go through with it.

The discussion above touched on confusion and doubt—things like fear of the winter, rising costs, potential unrest in Europe, friction within the European Union, or even the possibility of support for Ukraine tapering off if countries get too distracted by their own domestic issues.
Then there's the whole "threat realization" factor. The Russians are basically signaling they're willing to go all out and don't care about the fallout—not even the billions they've sunk into their own assets. They're flexing their muscles and showing they won't hesitate to pull the nuclear option if necessary—kind of like that Medvedev speech from a couple of days ago.

As for the Americans—it could be about proving they're still the ones in charge. It might be an attempt to stop certain countries from thinking they can ease up on sanctions or reopen pipelines. It's a way of telling Russia, "Don't test us; we will react to your threats."

Another point I made earlier is that while the Russians have always relied on gas blackmail, they missed the mark because Europe has largely secured its energy supply elsewhere. So, using gas as leverage doesn't carry much weight anymore—those flows aren't going to be the dealbreakers they once were. This move could be a Russian message that they're ready for anything, or an American one saying they aren't playing games either. Honestly, though? This feels like a desperate move, and since the Russians are feeling pretty cornered right now, I'm leaning toward them. The Russians often do things that seem totally illogical—but hey, that's just how they operate.
stormybear25 stormybear25 Active Member
62 messages
joined Sep 2022
#8570 ·
Video: The US military in a small town, USA, located in the Donetsk region
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...72433974878209
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8571 ·
Dennis Price said:Looks like people are starting to doubt the USA. Nice move, Putin—smart play.

Well, from Putin's perspective, this really is a war between Russia and the USA. He’s still stuck in the Cold War mindset—Europe doesn't really matter to him. I think the only reason he cares about them is because he wants to tear them down.
There were plenty of chances to wrap this all up, but Putin has just been doubling down on mistakes since February 24th. How does this end? Well, Putin will likely just keep making errors, and we'll just have to wait and see where that leads us.
Andrew Miller102 Andrew Miller102 Active Member
81 messages
joined Jul 2024
#8572 ·
hollowdriver13 said:So, looking at this, the damage points are terrifyingly close to the route of the Baltic Pipe, which just went online
.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bidetmarx...467840/photo/2

Here’s where the Nord Stream stuff got hit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad2...618753/photo/2

And here’s the path for the Baltic Pipe.

I mean, maybe someone is trying to send a little message that this pipeline isn't exactly safe either... just saying...

If things actually escalate, that Baltic Pipe is likely going to be the very first strategic target Russia goes after. Once the gloves come off and there's no more holding back, entire stretches of infrastructure become legitimate military targets.☕
gentlestag15 gentlestag15 Regular
280 messages
joined May 2024
#8573 ·
wiredtiger8 said:A decade?! Are you kidding me?

That "empty" pipeline (talking about both NS1 and NS2 here) could be running within 24 hours if they wanted. All Germany would have to do is ask Putin for the gas. Simple, right?

But nah, heaven forbid anyone asks "if" or "how" Germany might decide to pull the trigger in a few months... now, there's just nothing left to talk about.

The explosion—hitting 2.1 and 1.9 on the Richter scale—absolutely leveled everything "down there." For those who don't have a grasp on how much explosives you need to pull off something like that, let me break it down for you... a 2.0 magnitude hit is roughly equivalent to 1,000kg of TNT.

Isn't it basically just some equipment failure on the pipeline that caused the Russians to cut us off?
Of course it’s just another Russian play. Putin pulled the rug out from under them, not the Germans.
The Germans definitely wouldn't be crawling on their hands and knees like a lapdog after Viktor Orbán, begging Putin for a few extra cubic meters of gas.

Terry Green3 said:In that scenario, I’m playing the hand where the explosives were planted by the FBI during construction. If this operation was carried out by the Russians now, it’s worse than a drone flying over all of Canada and crashing into the capital of a NATO member. It makes you wonder about their defense readiness.

The explosions went down in international waters, which changes the whole vibe. Plus, the pipeline is mostly under Russian control anyway.
What kind of headache is NATO even dealing with there?
John Ramos45 John Ramos45 Active Member
73 messages
joined Apr 2023
#8574 ·
Russ is wandering aimlessly through the dark. It’s hard to take these guys seriously when they’re just being rushed into service at the last minute without any real preparation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...eb2x&context=3
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8575 ·
gentlestag15 said:Isn't it basically just some equipment failure on the pipeline that caused the Russians to cut us off?
Of course it’s just another Russian play. Putin pulled the rug out from under them, not the Germans.
The Germans definitely wouldn't be crawling on their hands and knees like a lapdog after Viktor Orbán, begging Putin for a few extra cubic meters of gas.

The explosions went down in international waters, which changes the whole vibe. Plus, the pipeline is mostly under Russian control anyway.
What kind of headache is NATO even dealing with there?

Before a few days ago, there was a "technical glitch," so the Russians stopped deliveries—but they actually had to pay a penalty since they weren't meeting their contracts. Then you had those certain propagandists jumping out to claim nobody could bully them, that they're serious players, and that they'd defend themselves at any cost... and well, here we are.
quietcobra21 quietcobra21 Member
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joined Mar 2009
#8576 ·
dustyfalcon122 said:I mean, if you ask me, Americans probably would've just taken out the Turkish pipeline way before this one, especially since this thing isn't even running anyway.
It feels pretty obvious to me that the only real motive here would be some kind of false flag operation.
I just can't wrap my head around why the US would bother blowing up an empty pipeline.

Empty? It’s leaking gas straight into the ocean. You can see it right there in the photos.
Hannah Murphy2 Hannah Murphy2 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2022
#8577 ·
Justin Mendoza16 said:🤣maybe they heard there was white gold down there, so 🎉they just tripped over the pipe...


Nah, honestly? It was probably just some Russian chef on a cruise ship tossing a cigarette butt overboard...😁
Jessica Peterson2 Jessica Peterson2 Active Member
214 messages
joined Sep 2008
#8578 ·
It looks like they’re gearing up to mobilize those recent graduates—specifically the ones just finishing their mandatory service. We’re talking about moving them straight from the training barracks into the trenches without even a breather.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/09/20...om=from_main_6
Justin Mendoza16 Justin Mendoza16 Active Member
118 messages
joined Jan 2023
#8579 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:It looks like they’re gearing up to mobilize those recent graduates—specifically the ones just finishing their mandatory service. We’re talking about moving them straight from the training barracks into the trenches without even a breather.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/09/20...om=from_main_6

☕Pretty sure there was an article on CNN today about them closing the borders to stop people from fleeing on 09/28/2022 and setting up checkpoints near Georgia for recruitment. If you escaped, you escaped. Now it's this current mobilization and straight into the war...🙂
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
125 messages
joined May 2013
#8580 ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:It looks like they’re gearing up to mobilize those recent graduates—specifically the ones just finishing their mandatory service. We’re talking about moving them straight from the training barracks into the trenches without even a breather.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/09/20...om=from_main_6

Man, I saw this exact same crap happen back home during the Gulf War era. You had guys fleeing the draft who were basically marked for the front lines immediately, and the ones who actually showed up? They got sent right into the meat grinder.

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