Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

gentlestag15 said:Isn't it basically just some equipment failure on the pipeline that caused the Russians to cut us off?
Of course it’s just another Russian play. Putin pulled the rug out from under them, not the Germans.
The Germans definitely wouldn't be crawling on their hands and knees like a lapdog after Viktor Orbán, begging Putin for a few extra cubic meters of gas.

The explosions went down in international waters, which changes the whole vibe. Plus, the pipeline is mostly under Russian control anyway.
What kind of headache is NATO even dealing with there?

Probably wouldn't.
But hey, who actually knows what the future holds? The German economy is basically 70% tethered to Gazprom.

wiredtiger8 said:Probably wouldn't.
But hey, who actually knows what the future holds? The German economy is basically 70% tethered to Gazprom.

They'll just pivot to solar power.🤣 🎉

stormybear25 said:Video: The US military in a small town, USA, located in the Donetsk region
https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...72433974878209

I bet they're probably debating who actually blew up that pipeline right now... 🤣

wiredtiger8 said:Probably wouldn't.
But hey, who actually knows what the future holds? The German economy is basically 70% tethered to Gazprom.

Don't sweat the Germans too much; they'll figure it out. They've got enough gas in storage to coast through this winter.
If you want someone to worry about, look at the Russians. They're sliding straight into total totalitarianism and an absolute economic meltdown.

John Ramos45 said:Russ is wandering aimlessly through the dark. It’s hard to take these guys seriously when they’re just being rushed into service at the last minute without any real preparation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...eb2x&context=3

Oh, they know exactly where they're hitting. Ambushing tanks on civilians just trying to drive out of occupied towns. That's a straight-up war crime.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...m_source=share

gentlestag15 said:Isn't it basically just some equipment failure on the pipeline that caused the Russians to cut us off?
Of course it’s just another Russian play. Putin pulled the rug out from under them, not the Germans.
The Germans definitely wouldn't be crawling on their hands and knees like a lapdog after Viktor Orbán, begging Putin for a few extra cubic meters of gas.

The explosions went down in international waters, which changes the whole vibe. Plus, the pipeline is mostly under Russian control anyway.
What kind of headache is NATO even dealing with there?

Right. So the Russians pulled off an impossible mission right under the nose of the world's greatest superpower without being noticed, and we're supposed to act like that isn't a massive deal?

Foreign media is already spinning stories, while our local outlets are busy reporting on how the Russian navy is suddenly "invincible"—capable of these incredible maneuvers that NATO supposedly can't prevent or even detect. We’ve seen the state of the military and air force in Ukraine; now we're meant to believe the navy is suddenly a different beast entirely.
Remember when that Russian aircraft carrier had to run on coal just to get from the Baltic Sea to Syrian waters?

boldotter2 said:I bet they're probably debating who actually blew up that pipeline right now... 🤣

they found the culprit

If the Russians didn't blow up Nord Stream, then why on earth did they shut down the pipeline running through Ukraine?

There’s also talk that they were forced to pull the plug because those supposed "technical failures" triggered massive penalty clauses in their contracts.

gentlestag15 said:Don't sweat the Germans too much; they'll figure it out. They've got enough gas in storage to coast through this winter.
If you want someone to worry about, look at the Russians. They're sliding straight into total totalitarianism and an absolute economic meltdown.

I wish I could agree, but full storage tanks don't guarantee security. It might only mean having enough supply for a single month.

gentlestag15 said:Don't sweat the Germans too much; they'll figure it out. They've got enough gas in storage to coast through this winter.
If you want someone to worry about, look at the Russians. They're sliding straight into total totalitarianism and an absolute economic meltdown.

To be perfectly blunt, I couldn't care less about the Russians.

The only equation that actually keeps me up at night is whether all of us here in the European Union get dragged down into the same economic disaster along with them.

wiredtiger8 said:To be perfectly blunt, I couldn't care less about the Russians.

The only equation that actually keeps me up at night is whether all of us here in the European Union get dragged down into the same economic disaster along with them.

Gas is secured across the whole European Union for this winter, so there's really nothing to worry about.

feralstag7 said:I wish I could agree, but full storage tanks don't guarantee security. It might only mean having enough supply for a single month.

We've got 23% of annual consumption sitting in storage right now.
Which basically covers two months of winter—and that's assuming Norwegians, Qataris, Americans, or anyone else doesn't sell a single extra cubic meter to the European Union.

That sounds excellent.

gentlestag15 said:Gas is secured across the whole European Union for this winter, so there's really nothing to worry about.

We've got 23% of annual consumption sitting in storage right now.
Which basically covers two months of winter—and that's assuming Norwegians, Qataris, Americans, or anyone else doesn't sell a single extra cubic meter to the European Union.

Besides, by springtime, the Ukrainians will either be in Moscow or Putin will decide to toss a Sarmat our way, and then we won't have any more problems to worry about. 🙂

If you ask me, Putin is just playing a high-stakes game of one-on-one solitaire right now.
He’s clearly getting ready to trigger those nuclear protocols, but honestly, the real question isn't about the missiles—it's about which one of his inner circle is going to be the first to slip a knife between his ribs.

gentlestag15 said:Gas is secured across the whole European Union for this winter, so there's really nothing to worry about.

We've got 23% of annual consumption sitting in storage right now.
Which basically covers two months of winter—and that's assuming Norwegians, Qataris, Americans, or anyone else doesn't sell a single extra cubic meter to the European Union.

It’s the same story for Los Angeles County. While places like San Francisco or Columbus deal with companies going under and people still waiting on gas delivery solutions because SoCalGas hasn't even leased the necessary capacity. I don't understand why there's such a drive to exaggerate everything here, as if anyone posting on this forum who isn't pushing some idealized narrative is somehow undermining Ukrainians in their fight on the front lines. We should be able to have a normal discussion here without all the hyperbole.
Fine, we'll shut down the fertilizer plants, but we'll face the consequences of losing domestic production. There's no point in hiding that.

gentlestag15 said:Gas is secured across the whole European Union for this winter, so there's really nothing to worry about.

We've got 23% of annual consumption sitting in storage right now.
Which basically covers two months of winter—and that's assuming Norwegians, Qataris, Americans, or anyone else doesn't sell a single extra cubic meter to the European Union.

I don't know about your neck of the woods, but where I live, winter lasts way longer than just two months.

Terry Green3 said:It’s the same story for Los Angeles County. While places like San Francisco or Columbus deal with companies going under and people still waiting on gas delivery solutions because SoCalGas hasn't even leased the necessary capacity. I don't understand why there's such a drive to exaggerate everything here, as if anyone posting on this forum who isn't pushing some idealized narrative is somehow undermining Ukrainians in their fight on the front lines. We should be able to have a normal discussion here without all the hyperbole.
Fine, we'll shut down the fertilizer plants, but we'll face the consequences of losing domestic production. There's no point in hiding that.

☕PTKM has been stuck in endless repairs and shutdowns for years

Karen Doyle72 said:I don't know about your neck of the woods, but where I live, winter lasts way longer than just two months.

Not sure how you handle things, but usually, you pay for gas monthly rather than having a massive two-month stockpile already sitting there paid for.

Terry Green3 said:It’s the same story for Los Angeles County. While places like San Francisco or Columbus deal with companies going under and people still waiting on gas delivery solutions because SoCalGas hasn't even leased the necessary capacity. I don't understand why there's such a drive to exaggerate everything here, as if anyone posting on this forum who isn't pushing some idealized narrative is somehow undermining Ukrainians in their fight on the front lines. We should be able to have a normal discussion here without all the hyperbole.
Fine, we'll shut down the fertilizer plants, but we'll face the consequences of losing domestic production. There's no point in hiding that.

And really, whose fault is it that they ditched GPZ for a few extra cents of cheaper gas from Exelon or similar outfits, only to end up stuck like this?

Karen Doyle72 said:I don't know about your neck of the woods, but where I live, winter lasts way longer than just two months.

You’re completely ignoring the rest of my last sentence.

Carol Johnson21 said:If the Russians didn't blow up Nord Stream, then why on earth did they shut down the pipeline running through Ukraine?

There’s also talk that they were forced to pull the plug because those supposed "technical failures" triggered massive penalty clauses in their contracts.

We’re looking at a massive uphill battle here. Honestly, the penalties are going to be a total long shot. First off, the European Union went all in on those sanctions against servicing energy projects tied to Russia, and then they started backtracking on some of them—it's been a mess. On top of that, you've got all these headaches with wire transfers and insurance being basically impossible to navigate right now. Plus, let's be real: most of these gas purchase contracts aren't even permanent, so talking about penalties is a stretch if there isn't even a solid legal foundation to lean on.

Honestly, once you actually see the damage from a leak like this, it’ll be pretty obvious if Russia was behind it. If water gets deep into those pipes and permanently trashes both pipelines, then there's no way it was them. It would be like Russia blowing up their own gas and oil wells just to spite themselves. That doesn't make any sense.
If that’s how the math works out, then Ukraine is basically the only suspect left on the table. I don't see the US being involved here—they weren't even part of the whole mess involving those explosives near the Turkish Stream just last week. At this point, if you're looking for someone to blame, it's either Russia (assuming they aren't lying through their teeth) or it's the Ukrainians.

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If the Russians didn't go through with lifting the Nord Stream restrictions, then why on earth did they shut down the pipeline running through Ukraine? Makes you wonder what the actual endgame is there.

Look, playing games with market prices by having ExxonMobil threaten sanctions against a Ukrainian operator—just because they’re fighting over transit fees that ExxonMobil claims are already settled—is a completely different beast than actually blowing up a pipeline under the Baltic Sea or through Ukraine. It's not even the same league. One is market manipulation; the other is straight-up sabotage. Totally different story.