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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
127 messages
joined Jan 2018
#8921 ·
Hannah Bailey4 said:I’m convinced Russia is going to see this through to the end and ramp up their involvement as much as necessary. The more the West punishes them, the less they actually have left to lose. We’ve already exhausted almost every meaningful sanction available, so there isn't much left to do. Furthermore, the notion that we could squeeze China using potential secondary sanctions is pure wishful thinking.

But you see, the impact of sanctions actually compounds over time! It’s a slow burn. For instance, if you rely on specific spare parts that you can no longer source, maybe after one year, 10% of your equipment becomes useless. After two years, that jumps to 30%, and by year three, you're looking at 60%... so you think to yourself, "Hey, they have nothing left to lose." But let them face sanctions for 20 or 50 years! It would set them back a century while the rest of the world keeps moving forward... And look, the Russians have basically put themselves in a spot where they produce almost nothing of their own, instead just bartering for fuel and raw minerals—which, if you ask me, isn't exactly the smartest move when you're already under heavy sanctions...
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
291 messages
joined Jan 2021
#8922 ·
Russia wants the whole LPR and DPR territory

"The regions making up the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics are going to be folded right into the Russian Federation, using those 2014 borders where they originally recognized their independence, according to the Associated Press citing Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House.

“The Russian Federation recognizes the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics within their 2014 borders,” the presidential press secretary put it.

And get this—when asked what the plan is for the parts of the DPR where the Russian Federation hasn't actually managed to grab control yet, Karine Jean-Pierre just brushed it off, saying they'll "have to be liberated."..

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp
Zachary Jackson4 Zachary Jackson4 Active Member
104 messages
joined Oct 2010
#8923 ·
Dmitry Peskov emphasized that the objectives and requirements of the special operation remain unchanged.

https://tass.com/politics/1515743

Another perfect moment for Monty.

wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
222 messages
joined Dec 2012
#8924 ·
To all you nuclear enthusiasts

Back in the year 2020, the United States dropped roughly $37.4 billion just to keep its nuclear arsenal running. China came in second with a $10.1 billion price tag, followed by Russia at $8 billion.

Now, just try to wrap your head around the actual condition of those weapons. Setting the USA aside for a moment, look at China and Russia. You’ve got Russia sitting on thousands of warheads while China has a few hundred—yet the Chinese spent significantly more than the Russians just to maintain them.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8925 ·
rowdyraven112 said:So now you're thinking like me. I agree on the facts: we need major powers. Otherwise, someone like Orban or Meloni could actually try to act on those territorial claims they bark about during campaigns. As it stands, they know it stays just as campaign rhetoric. Then the news networks blow it up into a scandal. It's unnecessary.
The problem arises when dictators within those big military states lose their minds. Imagine an American Putin sitting in the White House. Suddenly, "being under Americans" doesn't sound so great. Sure, there are democratic mechanisms in place, but we've already seen how easily a mob can storm the Capitol.

The situation at the front is so messy you can't predict more than an hour ahead. One thing is certain: Putin will try to seize the initiative with fresh troops. But if he fails and the Ukrainians strengthen significantly, I fear this ends with two or three nuclear bombs. I don't think they'll be standard 100-kilotonners; likely much weaker.
After that, anything short of a total blockade of Russia would be a mistake. If we have to fill the Bosporus with rubble, so be it. We are underestimating the Russians. Stalin ran the exact same playbook when Germany invaded Russia. He called on the church to rally the people to fight. Putin is doing the same thing, just in a different era.

LinaK described the trends best: 25% of Ukrainians might surrender, 25% won't fight, and 25% will fight like hell, which is why they were attacked like devils. But in reality, 25% of a 10 million population capable of fighting is more than enough. Looking at history, we started with less than 10%. It's a similar story in Russia. That's why I say: never underestimate the Russians.

My post actually ended up being quite prophetic right before the Kherson/Kharkiv offensive. It wasn't "true" per se, but it was certainly significant.😁.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8926 ·
wearytrucker22 said:To all you nuclear enthusiasts

Back in the year 2020, the United States dropped roughly $37.4 billion just to keep its nuclear arsenal running. China came in second with a $10.1 billion price tag, followed by Russia at $8 billion.

Now, just try to wrap your head around the actual condition of those weapons. Setting the USA aside for a moment, look at China and Russia. You’ve got Russia sitting on thousands of warheads while China has a few hundred—yet the Chinese spent significantly more than the Russians just to maintain them.

Well, the Russians were too busy spending money on yachts and villas in the corrupt West🙄. You can't have it all,😁 I guess.
Robert Cooper9 Robert Cooper9 Member
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joined Aug 2022
#8927 ·
I honestly think they’re terrified of even attempting a launch—it’s not like an S-300 where one stray missile causes minor damage. They’ll likely feel forced to launch from Baikonur just to ensure that if things go sideways, they don't end up causing too much collateral damage on their own "friendly" side.😉)
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
787 messages
joined Jan 2018
#8928 ·
gentlerider7 said:Russia wants the whole LPR and DPR territory

"The regions making up the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics are going to be folded right into the Russian Federation, using those 2014 borders where they originally recognized their independence, according to the Associated Press citing Karine Jean-Pierre from the White House.

“The Russian Federation recognizes the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics within their 2014 borders,” the presidential press secretary put it.

And get this—when asked what the plan is for the parts of the DPR where the Russian Federation hasn't actually managed to grab control yet, Karine Jean-Pierre just brushed it off, saying they'll "have to be liberated."..

https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Fortunately, they haven't declared Lviv part of the LPR and DPR just yet. But there is still plenty of time for that to happen.
Rachel Barrett8 Rachel Barrett8 Active Member
155 messages
joined Apr 2023
#8929 ·
steelheron25 said:Alright, I clearly misread the situation.

However, I simply cannot agree. The voters in Canada and Italy didn't vote specifically for war, did they? They voted for a certain type of leader who uses a particular kind of rhetoric that happens to be trending right now, nothing more. While there is certainly a risk that this could evolve into something dangerous, that isn't why they were elected in the first place.

Of course they didn't vote for new wars. We're on the same page there.
That goes for Italy and Canada, and it applies to Russia too.

What they actually voted for was the illusion of security under a "strongman" leader. And let me tell you, that is a recipe for disaster.

Once the machinery of war actually starts moving... by then, it's already too late.
I honestly think even people in Russia are only just now realizing the massive mess they've created.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
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joined Jun 2022
#8930 ·
rowdyraven112 said:When I pointed out how seriously we should take Lazarov's claim that Russia can't lose this militarily, or Lavrov's statement about Russia having a legitimate right to use nuclear weapons to defend its sovereignty, I was branded a spreader of Putinism.

That link explaining how NATO might use conventional weapons to strike Russian territory where a nuke was launched was eye-opening. Honestly, we really need to question the IQ of people falling for that kind of nonsense.

Total isolation of Russia? Yes. Economic and military threats against the smaller players supporting Russia? Yes. Military action against those disobedient smaller states? Absolutely. Beyond that, I'm not making any more guesses.

The Russians say a lot, but they lie even more. Honestly, they lie to themselves most of all—they've convinced themselves their own fabrications are reality. You can't really blame them for being trapped in this cycle after spending the last 15 years pouring massive amounts of energy into propaganda, delusions, and pure myth-making. They’ve become hostages to their own stories. I mean, who is to blame for the fact that they never actually sat down to figure out why the USSR collapsed? If the loss of the Soviet Union still hurts that much, shouldn't they have at least faced the truth internally? Instead of admitting their mistakes—even if just privately within the Kremlin—they chose to double down on the myth of World War II. They lean heavily on that history, acting like they were the only ones fighting the Nazis while painting the rest of the world as some "evil West" out to destroy them. On the global stage, you always hear the same old complaints about NATO expansion—but they never stop to ask the obvious question: Why is everyone else running away from Russia in the first place? At the end of the day, they’re still clinging to those lies. Their obsession with these myths isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Even if they decided to just toss all their nukes out there—which, let's be honest, would be wild—I still like to think they value life. At the end of the day, they have families, kids, and grandkids too. People aren't just numbers.
Look, at the end of the day, that territory isn't really theirs—but hey, they can certainly act like the whole world revolves around Russia if they want to. They had every chance to keep Ukraine within their own sphere of influence; honestly, who's to blame if they didn't see that coming? Just a bit of hindsight being 20/20, I guess.
And honestly, whose fault is that anyway? They want to be a global superpower so badly—but they just don't have the chops to pull it off. It's not really anyone's "fault" if you aren't built for it, right?
So, who’s actually to blame for why their calendar says 1818 while everyone else is living in 2022?
Nancy Gomez26 Nancy Gomez26 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#8931 ·
Robert Cooper9 said:I honestly think they’re terrified of even attempting a launch—it’s not like an S-300 where one stray missile causes minor damage. They’ll likely feel forced to launch from Baikonur just to ensure that if things go sideways, they don't end up causing too much collateral damage on their own "friendly" side.😉)

And I'm sure Kassym-Jomart Tokayev will give them a warm welcome once they roll that missile into Baikonur for the launch... at which point everyone can just wrap themselves in chocolate and hope for the best.
Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 Regular
432 messages
joined Jun 2024
#8932 ·
wearytrucker22 said:To all you nuclear enthusiasts

Back in the year 2020, the United States dropped roughly $37.4 billion just to keep its nuclear arsenal running. China came in second with a $10.1 billion price tag, followed by Russia at $8 billion.

Now, just try to wrap your head around the actual condition of those weapons. Setting the USA aside for a moment, look at China and Russia. You’ve got Russia sitting on thousands of warheads while China has a few hundred—yet the Chinese spent significantly more than the Russians just to maintain them.

Yeah, honestly, it’s totally possible a crew tries to launch a nuclear strike and the whole thing just blows up right on their own launch pad. Only some "4D chess" genius or master strategist could try to claim that was a false flag and then pull out of Ukraine as a "gesture of goodwill." Like, "Oh, look at us being rich," even while getting nuked—they wouldn't respond because they're just so worried about the world. It's basically Alan Ford or Monty Python in real life.
Kate Cook27 Kate Cook27 Regular
557 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8933 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:Fortunately, they haven't declared Lviv part of the LPR and DPR just yet. But there is still plenty of time for that to happen.

😲? 🙂 The biggest ultra-nationalists are right there—they don't need that, they'll give it to Poland instead. I was just reading a chat where people were saying the fake Western media isn't even reporting that Poland occupied Galicia a month 🙄.
Robert Cooper9 Robert Cooper9 Member
17 messages
joined Aug 2022
#8934 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:And I'm sure Kassym-Jomart Tokayev will give them a warm welcome once they roll that missile into Baikonur for the launch... at which point everyone can just wrap themselves in chocolate and hope for the best.

Honestly—total fools—they actually believe those "nuclear threats." 🙂)
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2022
#8935 ·
rowdyraven112 said:So now you're thinking like me. I agree on the facts: we need major powers. Otherwise, someone like Orban or Meloni could actually try to act on those territorial claims they bark about during campaigns. As it stands, they know it stays just as campaign rhetoric. Then the news networks blow it up into a scandal. It's unnecessary.
The problem arises when dictators within those big military states lose their minds. Imagine an American Putin sitting in the White House. Suddenly, "being under Americans" doesn't sound so great. Sure, there are democratic mechanisms in place, but we've already seen how easily a mob can storm the Capitol.

The situation at the front is so messy you can't predict more than an hour ahead. One thing is certain: Putin will try to seize the initiative with fresh troops. But if he fails and the Ukrainians strengthen significantly, I fear this ends with two or three nuclear bombs. I don't think they'll be standard 100-kilotonners; likely much weaker.
After that, anything short of a total blockade of Russia would be a mistake. If we have to fill the Bosporus with rubble, so be it. We are underestimating the Russians. Stalin ran the exact same playbook when Germany invaded Russia. He called on the church to rally the people to fight. Putin is doing the same thing, just in a different era.

LinaK described the trends best: 25% of Ukrainians might surrender, 25% won't fight, and 25% will fight like hell, which is why they were attacked like devils. But in reality, 25% of a 10 million population capable of fighting is more than enough. Looking at history, we started with less than 10%. It's a similar story in Russia. That's why I say: never underestimate the Russians.

It's unlikely they'll drop nukes because that opens a Pandora's box. But let's be real, the Ukrainians aren't harmless either—they've got massive amounts of nuclear waste, and Russia could end up getting contaminated pretty bad too.
wiredtiger8 wiredtiger8 Active Member
81 messages
joined Jul 2019
#8936 ·
wearytrucker22 said:To all you nuclear enthusiasts

Back in the year 2020, the United States dropped roughly $37.4 billion just to keep its nuclear arsenal running. China came in second with a $10.1 billion price tag, followed by Russia at $8 billion.

Now, just try to wrap your head around the actual condition of those weapons. Setting the USA aside for a moment, look at China and Russia. You’ve got Russia sitting on thousands of warheads while China has a few hundred—yet the Chinese spent significantly more than the Russians just to maintain them.

Right now, it seems like "the whole world" is fixated on that option, so...

And honestly? This whole line of reasoning questioning whether Russian nuclear missiles are even functional... you can take that logic and throw it right out the window.

Even if only 20% of their total stockpile is actually mission-ready, we're still talking about over 1,000 warheads.

And let's be real—they aren't going to bother launching anything that’s sitting there unmaintained or in questionable shape...
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8937 ·
My apologies if this was excessive:

RUN ORCS RUN
There’s a video circulating that shows a massive group of Russians—large enough to be considered a platoon—retreating in absolute chaos through Levittown, fleeing a fortified zone straight into a kill zone. It’s officially started. Honestly, the whole thing looks like one of those color films from the 1950s about World War II. The only real difference is that in those movies, people were usually advancing rather than running for their lives.
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status...Donald Trump
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8938 ·
High-ranking FBI officials stationed in Houston have reportedly been caught in a precision strike
https://twitter.com/pione2e4/status/...mZjz2Ntu3v-I6A
Terry Green3 Terry Green3 Active Member
149 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8939 ·
Timothy Williams5 said:My apologies if this was excessive:

RUN ORCS RUN
There’s a video circulating that shows a massive group of Russians—large enough to be considered a platoon—retreating in absolute chaos through Levittown, fleeing a fortified zone straight into a kill zone. It’s officially started. Honestly, the whole thing looks like one of those color films from the 1950s about World War II. The only real difference is that in those movies, people were usually advancing rather than running for their lives.
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status...Donald Trump

Pure Donald Trump levels of cope, just like half the other stuff you post.
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
325 messages
joined Jun 2022
#8940 ·
Here’s just a little more dose of pure delusion:

To the Russian soldiers out there: what was the point of coming to Ukraine in the first place?
A bit of philosophical animation regarding life and death:
https://twitter.com/Ukrainene/status...WYwTa_F-PYuMWA

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