Arming Ukraine

Gerald Chavez7 said:People just don't seem to grasp how much hardware Poland is going to rack up after this—and let's be real, the rest of the European Union will be more than happy to foot the bill...

Intermarium 😉

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

Well, yeah, they already voted to hike defense spending from 2% up to 3% of GDP for 2023, on top of ballooning their professional soldier count from 110k to 250k.

cordon sanitaire😁

feralnomad35 said:Look, if a single club like Real Madrid can swing a million, just imagine what the USA would actually need to cough up so this whole aid situation doesn't end up looking like a total joke...

It's gotta be a massive number..

We are talking about economic and humanitarian assistance here. When you factor in the weaponry, the total amount climbs to well over 13 billion dollars.

There’s talk that Slovakia might actually send over those S-300s, though they’re apparently looking for something similar in return to cover their own bases.

Latest: Slovakia has preliminarily agreed to provide Ukraine w:S-300 air defense system, per 3 sources. US & NATO still grappling with how to backfill that country's own defensive capabilities & the transfer is not yet assured. @KatieBoLillis, @NatashaBertrand & @jeremyherb

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/statu...c-cyvhXFA&s=19

The US has tightened up how much they share with the public regarding weapon shipments, so the real question is just how much more we'll actually find out about what's being sent over there.

bluemason3 said:The US has tightened up how much they share with the public regarding weapon shipments, so the real question is just how much more we'll actually find out about what's being sent over there.

Smart move, honestly. There's really no reason to broadcast everything. They gotta release some crumbs just so people don't start screaming about why we aren't helping, but the real meat of the operation? That should stay strictly under wraps.

Gerald Chavez7 said:If you take Poland and Ukraine together, you’re looking at roughly 80 million people—add in the Baltic states, and you’ve got about 85 million. Meanwhile, Russia sits at around 145 million. Aside from the nuclear arsenal, that’s pretty much the whole story. Putin actually managed to build himself a regional powerhouse just west of Moscow. A masterclass in 4D chess, really. 🤦

The actual Russian population is closer to 111 million. The real question is how many of those other folks actually have Russia's back.

feralnomad35 said:Look, if a single club like Real Madrid can swing a million, just imagine what the USA would actually need to cough up so this whole aid situation doesn't end up looking like a total joke...

It's gotta be a massive number..

Maybe we should just ask Soros how much he plans on chipping in...
He poured billions into fueling this whole conflict, and now we’re all stuck watching it play out...

bluemason3 said:The US has tightened up how much they share with the public regarding weapon shipments, so the real question is just how much more we'll actually find out about what's being sent over there.

"The President of the USA announced an additional $800 million in security assistance for Ukraine. This brings the total aid announced just last week to one billion dollars."
"The military aid package will include anti-tank projectiles and more defensive weaponry already provided by the US, including Javelin anti-armor missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles."
"The new package also includes 9,000 anti-tank systems. These are high-precision shoulder-fired missiles that Ukrainian forces have used with massive success to take out attacking tanks and armored vehicles. It will also include 7,000 small arms—machine guns, rifles, and grenade launchers—to equip the Ukrainians, including the brave men and women defending their cities and rural areas," said Biden.

Maria Moore said:"The President of the USA announced an additional $800 million in security assistance for Ukraine. This brings the total aid announced just last week to one billion dollars."
"The military aid package will include anti-tank projectiles and more defensive weaponry already provided by the US, including Javelin anti-armor missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles."
"The new package also includes 9,000 anti-tank systems. These are high-precision shoulder-fired missiles that Ukrainian forces have used with massive success to take out attacking tanks and armored vehicles. It will also include 7,000 small arms—machine guns, rifles, and grenade launchers—to equip the Ukrainians, including the brave men and women defending their cities and rural areas," said Biden.

You really need to add this statement to the mix:
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/16-mar...d-intelligence

"We are actively sharing information and intelligence with the Ukrainians that we believe can be helpful to them in their fight every day - and by helpful, I mean helpful," the senior U.S. defense official said

As another official put it, US intelligence agencies are sharing satellite imagery and other reconnaissance footage from planes that fly over Poland and Romania 24/7. They’re mapping out the entire battlefield with pinpoint GPS coordinates on Russian armored movements. This is what lets the Ukrainian military use Bayraktar drones and man-portable anti-tank weapons to absolutely wreck Russian tank units.

Maria Moore said:You really need to add this statement to the mix:
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/16-mar...d-intelligence

"We are actively sharing information and intelligence with the Ukrainians that we believe can be helpful to them in their fight every day - and by helpful, I mean helpful," the senior U.S. defense official said

As another official put it, US intelligence agencies are sharing satellite imagery and other reconnaissance footage from planes that fly over Poland and Romania 24/7. They’re mapping out the entire battlefield with pinpoint GPS coordinates on Russian armored movements. This is what lets the Ukrainian military use Bayraktar drones and man-portable anti-tank weapons to absolutely wreck Russian tank units.

Actually, maybe it goes even further than that.
They’re likely reporting locations for Russian short and medium-range air defense radars, and even spotting incoming Russian fighter jets.
It’s highly probable—if you can call it that—that this is the main reason why the Bayraktars haven't all been shot down yet. It seems fairly certain they've developed some kind of system to shield the drones from being targeted.

Timothy Nelson5 said:Maybe we should just ask Soros how much he plans on chipping in...
He poured billions into fueling this whole conflict, and now we’re all stuck watching it play out...

It’s a textbook case of cognitive dissonance.

Maria Moore said:"The President of the USA announced an additional $800 million in security assistance for Ukraine. This brings the total aid announced just last week to one billion dollars."
"The military aid package will include anti-tank projectiles and more defensive weaponry already provided by the US, including Javelin anti-armor missiles and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles."
"The new package also includes 9,000 anti-tank systems. These are high-precision shoulder-fired missiles that Ukrainian forces have used with massive success to take out attacking tanks and armored vehicles. It will also include 7,000 small arms—machine guns, rifles, and grenade launchers—to equip the Ukrainians, including the brave men and women defending their cities and rural areas," said Biden.

True, though various journalists citing administration sources have suggested they aren't announcing everything just to avoid tipping our hand to Russian tactics.

By the way, if it turns out that drone was actually Russian and just got diverted, does that mean Ukraine has electronic warfare tech capable of jamming them?

IceClimber said:Are we even living on the same planet or in the same dimension at this point?? 🤣🤣 🤣

I mean, look at Ukraine—it’s a former Soviet state with all those old Soviet weapon depots overflowing with Kalashnikovs, yet they still have to scramble for thousands of extra pieces of infantry gear because there just isn't enough to go around for everyone stepping up to serve.
It was only the third day of the war, and suddenly there were 18,000 armed people in Kyiv. Just in a single day! Meanwhile, out in the rest of the country, people are actually heading out to buy hunting rifles because military-grade stuff is so scarce.

So, I suppose the simple answer to your question is: he's a total jerk and then some.

Honestly, just ignore him. If I'm being totally blunt, I think he deserves a good reality check. Forget him and his views on Denmark. 🤣

Kenneth Cruz67 said:Honestly, just ignore him. If I'm being totally blunt, I think he deserves a good reality check. Forget him and his views on Denmark. 🤣

The real irony here is that I’m constantly in touch with people from Denmark—folks with names like Haunstrup, Holst Andersen, or Janssen—yet this "Momčilo Kajganović" guy from Bijeljina acts more "Danish" than the actual Danes themselves...

Timothy Nelson5 said:Well, nobody actually knows for sure...

The NATO nations might start thinking it’s smarter to just carve out maybe 0.1% of their GDP—which, if you do the math, is roughly 10% of their individual military budgets—to set aside for permanent military aid to Ukraine.
Honestly, it's a much more efficient play than everyone trying to hike their own domestic defense spending by an extra 1% of GDP...

Just look at the numbers for a second—we're talking $40 billion. That's about what the Russian military budget will look like once their economy finally hits the floor and their standard of living tanks...

And hey, the NATO countries could always decide to cough up 0.2% if they're feeling generous...

😁


It seems more likely there, even more so than in Russia...

Especially when they realize the entire weight of NATO is standing right behind them!

bluemason3 said:True, though various journalists citing administration sources have suggested they aren't announcing everything just to avoid tipping our hand to Russian tactics.

By the way, if it turns out that drone was actually Russian and just got diverted, does that mean Ukraine has electronic warfare tech capable of jamming them?

I think the administration isn't even trying to hide their hand anymore.

Look at this map. It’s gut-wrenching. You can see the lines moving, the territory shifting, and you realize just how much is actually happening on the ground right now. People talk about "strategic shifts" like they're playing a game of Risk, but seeing the actual movement makes it feel heavy. It's one thing to read a headline; it's another to watch the front lines crawl across a map in real-time. Everything feels incredibly volatile.

The Department of Defense isn't kidding around—according to Intel Ronald Moultrie tells HASC Subcommittee on Intelligence and special Operations, the whole "US Intel sharing with Ukraine" thing is actually moving the needle. He’s calling it accurate, timely, and most importantly, actionable. Basically, they're getting exactly what they need from us, and they're happy about it.

We really need to get our hands on those Starstreaks to go along with the Javelins.

😁

Seriously, you guys need to get over to Crazy Austin’s Warsaw Pact everything-must-go blowout! It's going to be wild. I mean, if you happen to have an old book in your garage lying around, or maybe some old S-300 gear cluttering up your driveway, now is the time to move it. Even better, Old man Lloyd is actually out there right now offering Patriot trade-ins with some seriously generous financing options. Don't miss out!

https://twitter.com/arawnsley/status...ZbqqbGx8A&s=19

Arthur Miller7 said:Smart move, honestly. There's really no reason to broadcast everything. They gotta release some crumbs just so people don't start screaming about why we aren't helping, but the real meat of the operation? That should stay strictly under wraps.

Honestly, there’s zero need to overshare or offer lengthy explanations. Just stick to the diplomatic script: "We are evaluating aid options," and leave it at that.
Especially when you're dealing with a loose cannon on the other side who happens to have a suitcase full of nuclear warheads at his disposal...

placidtinker39 said:Honestly, there’s zero need to overshare or offer lengthy explanations. Just stick to the diplomatic script: "We are evaluating aid options," and leave it at that.
Especially when you're dealing with a loose cannon on the other side who happens to have a suitcase full of nuclear warheads at his disposal...

Publicly committing to aid serves to bolster the morale of the Ukrainian people and their defenders; besides, it is already glaringly obvious to the psychotic maniac in the White House that the weaponry is arriving, as they can feel its impact directly on the battlefield.