The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

Justin Kern67 said:So, the Russians were responsible for Katyn?

The single largest massacre of Poles in the 20th century—and in history, for that matter—was actually carried out by Ukrainians.

Why aren't you mentioning that?

Stalin had no idea what was happening. If he’d known, he definitely would have stopped it. He was such a great humanist.

Keith Williams3 said:But in geopolitics, there is no "judge"—there's just the three of them. That's one flaw with using analogies.

Oh, please, there *are* courts, sure—but they only ever come after the little guys, you know? Like smaller nations, maybe somewhere like Greece or maybe even just local municipalities... it’s never going to happen! There is absolutely zero chance you'll see a scenario where a court actually goes after some high-ranking politician or a top-tier general from the USA, Russia, or China... it just doesn't work that way.

Keith Williams3 said:But in geopolitics, there is no "judge"—there's just the three of them. That's one flaw with using analogies.

And hey, I think we finally hit the nail on the head regarding why we haven't learned a single thing in over 10,000 years.🙂

If there’s nobody around to call you out or hold you accountable, then you basically feel like you can just do whatever you want and grab whatever you want, because, well, who's going to stop you?

vividtiger72 said:The only thing missing from your story is the part where America promises her mountains and valleys, offering endless gifts, and egging her on to cheat on Mr. Russia. America swears they'll protect her if Mr. Russia turns violent, but when that brute actually starts laying hands on her, America just sits there watching through the window, smiling and giving her a thumbs up, telling her to just hang in there because things will get better soon. 😁div>

So, what you're saying is it's totally fine to beat her just because she was misled by another liar, and that she actually deserves it?

Gregory Ramos3 said:And hey, I think we finally hit the nail on the head regarding why we haven't learned a single thing in over 10,000 years.🙂

If there’s nobody around to call you out or hold you accountable, then you basically feel like you can just do whatever you want and grab whatever you want, because, well, who's going to stop you?

Yeah, that's how the system works at its foundation.
Cruel, but that's just life.
There is no authority higher than the state itself.
States operate in a basically Hobbesian state of nature.
In a desperate bid for survival, they hoard power because nothing else exists to
guarantee their existence except raw strength.
That's why it's pointless to try and apply laws designed for a hierarchy
to a state of anarchy.
The rules imposed by institutions only really apply to the small players.
Without the big players, there are no institutions to begin with. Consequently, the giants
have enough muscle to bend any rule to suit their own needs.

Laura Scott7 said:Give me a break. Hitler actually sent over an ultimatum to the Poles just a few days prior—basically "surrender or it's war"—and they stood their ground because the British were backing them up, refusing to blink. Does that sound familiar to anyone else out there?

History has a funny way of repeating itself.

Gregory Ramos3 said:So, what you're saying is it's totally fine to beat her just because she was misled by another liar, and that she actually deserves it?

Not at all, but let’s be real—the guy who lied to her, especially since he isn't even the first one to play her, and then just sits there watching through a window while she gets beaten, is just as much of a monster as the guy swinging the fists. It doesn't help that he occasionally lashes out at women who weren't even interested in being with him in the first place.

So, what happened to those 2,500 Ukrainian tanks, missiles, and artillery pieces?
The air force might be sidelined, but the ground forces are still heavy-duty—yet they aren't running any actual operations. Honestly, it looks like an inside deal where certain factions within the military are playing ball with the Russians to wipe out the original Maidan fighters, sniff out sympathizers, and force a total political reset.
There’s just no other logical way to explain this level of passivity and lack of real resistance.

gentleharbor3 said:Yeah, that's how the system works at its foundation.
Cruel, but that's just life.
There is no authority higher than the state itself.
States operate in a basically Hobbesian state of nature.
In a desperate bid for survival, they hoard power because nothing else exists to
guarantee their existence except raw strength.
That's why it's pointless to try and apply laws designed for a hierarchy
to a state of anarchy.
The rules imposed by institutions only really apply to the small players.
Without the big players, there are no institutions to begin with. Consequently, the giants
have enough muscle to bend any rule to suit their own needs.

Man... honestly, I think I'm sticking to what I figured out a while back. I truly believe we’re more likely to just wreck the entire planet than we are to actually evolve past this mindset that being the biggest bully in the room is the only way to feel secure.

☕

Gregory Ramos3 said:Man... honestly, I think I'm sticking to what I figured out a while back. I truly believe we’re more likely to just wreck the entire planet than we are to actually evolve past this mindset that being the biggest bully in the room is the only way to feel secure.

☕

Paul Tabor once wrote in his *history of human stupidity* that civilization will almost certainly be wiped off the face of the Earth one day, all because of our own sheer incompetence. There is a twisted bit of silver lining in that, though: by doing so, stupidity will finally achieve what intelligence never could—it will successfully eradicate all stupidity.

I just really hope that "genius" isn't sitting in one of the top seats of global power right now... I'd at least like to stick around a little longer.

mellowotter36 said:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/st...44191474528258

Word is Ukrainian air defense managed to take down an Il-76. That’s devastating. Think about how many people were on board?

https://twitter.com/Veniceofeast/sta...01893061447681

Looks like another plane went down here too.

Gregory Ramos3 said:Man... honestly, I think I'm sticking to what I figured out a while back. I truly believe we’re more likely to just wreck the entire planet than we are to actually evolve past this mindset that being the biggest bully in the room is the only way to feel secure.

☕

Exactly. It’s a grim realization, but it’s the truth.
At least from a realist perspective.

Gregory Ramos3 said:Alright, I’m feeling a little poetic tonight, and honestly, one of my fellow forum ladies got me thinking with that whole thing about the girl 😬

So, picture this: Russia and Ukraine were in this intense, long-term relationship for years—walking hand in hand, going out to fancy dinners, the chemistry was just off the charts...

But then, a crisis hits, and suddenly Ukraine starts questioning everything, wondering if Russia is really the right partner for her. He’s a good guy, sure, but he’s also pretty controlling over a lot of things, and well, he was her first real love. She tells him she loves him, but she can't help but wonder if he’s being genuine or if he’s just playing her like all those other girls before her.

And you know how it goes—right in the middle of this relationship drama, this new guy swoops in. A total hunk of an American, incredibly handsome, loaded... promising her extravagant gifts, lifelong devotion, the royal treatment, and all the glitz and glamour of Hollywood.

Ukraine, being young and a bit naive, falls head over heels for America, but there's still this lingering connection to Russia, making it so incredibly hard to just walk away after everything they’ve shared.

Russia, acting like a total macho man, senses something is off and realizes he's being cheated on.

He tries to convince her he’s the one, that he loves her, and that life is better with him. At the same time, he’s threatening America, telling them to stay out of his business and leave his girl alone, or things are going to get ugly.

Now Ukraine is totally torn; on one hand, there's that shared history and those sweet memories with Russia, but on the other, she’s drawn to America and that Hollywood shine—all these new experiences she never got to try because her boyfriend wouldn't let her.

So this tension builds, and Russia gets increasingly aggressive trying to reclaim what he feels is his. When his tactics don't work, he loses his cool. Since he isn't quite sure he can take on America in a fair fight—because, let's face it, America is a powerhouse—he turns his frustration on Ukraine, beating her senseless just to make sure she never even dreams of being with anyone else, let alone America.

Man, it’s actually pretty tough to decide who a jury would ultimately blame for all those injuries... hmm. 🤔

P.S.

My apologies to the ladies on the forum; I am strictly against any kind of violence toward women!☕

Itchy, Itchy... you really captured the essence of this situation here 👍
I just feel like you were being somewhat restrained in your description of Russian violence; I think we need stronger words to truly reflect the brutal, predatory nature of her husband, so to speak.

What a level of information and posts we have here 🎉

The war in Ukraine actually kicked off back in 2014, and it wasn't some sudden thing.
Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to open a discussion about the invasion of Donbas, Novorossiya, and the eastern parts of Ukraine by Western Ukraine, Ukra, or Maidan Ukraine.
It’s all very nice to play dumb and claim the Russian invasion only started in 2022, but when you consider there were over 3,000 civilian casualties in Donbas from those groups since 2014—not even counting the others—it tells you that things are being framed incorrectly, whether intentionally or not.

Hypothetically, that would be like saying a war in America started in '95 just because the US military moved toward Banjaluka. Imagine if Democrats across the globe started blasting "American aggressors" for attacking innocent Canada or Republika Srpska without ever acknowledging the context of the 90s.

The hypocrisy of the democratic world and the absolute mess that is the EU shows exactly what the EU is: nothing more than a puppet for Anglo-Saxon interests, both in Europe and across the ocean.
The EU should honestly just build a monument to Putin, because he’s the only one who can actually pull them out of the grip of the groups mentioned above. Otherwise, the EU will just keep playing errand boy for everyone else's interests.

To all the servants and cannon fodder out there: don't wait for someone to roll out the red carpet for you. Go defend Ukraine on the ground yourself...☕

Grace Bennett6 said:https://twitter.com/Veniceofeast/sta...01893061447681

Looks like another plane went down here too.

Personally, I'm leaning more toward a missile strike or a drone hit.

"Wars don't just start on a Wednesday," or so the saying goes.
You have to take Russ at his word.

vividtiger72 said:Not at all, but let’s be real—the guy who lied to her, especially since he isn't even the first one to play her, and then just sits there watching through a window while she gets beaten, is just as much of a monster as the guy swinging the fists. It doesn't help that he occasionally lashes out at women who weren't even interested in being with him in the first place.

😁

Totally agree, but looking at this specific mess, he isn't the one physically laying hands on anyone. He definitely stirred the pot, though. This absolute moron just lost his cool and now he’s going to get labeled as the bully. And then the USA will look back all wistfully and say, "Man, I really wanted to step in and help, but then Russia threatened to wipe out every man on the planet if I interfered..." Buhuh...

Anyway, with this move, Putin has basically cemented Russia's reputation as the ultimate villain for a long, long time... so much for that "chess" metaphor everyone was talking about...

Joseph Clark95 said:What a level of information and posts we have here 🎉

The war in Ukraine actually kicked off back in 2014, and it wasn't some sudden thing.
Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to open a discussion about the invasion of Donbas, Novorossiya, and the eastern parts of Ukraine by Western Ukraine, Ukra, or Maidan Ukraine.
It’s all very nice to play dumb and claim the Russian invasion only started in 2022, but when you consider there were over 3,000 civilian casualties in Donbas from those groups since 2014—not even counting the others—it tells you that things are being framed incorrectly, whether intentionally or not.

Hypothetically, that would be like saying a war in America started in '95 just because the US military moved toward Banjaluka. Imagine if Democrats across the globe started blasting "American aggressors" for attacking innocent Canada or Republika Srpska without ever acknowledging the context of the 90s.

The hypocrisy of the democratic world and the absolute mess that is the EU shows exactly what the EU is: nothing more than a puppet for Anglo-Saxon interests, both in Europe and across the ocean.
The EU should honestly just build a monument to Putin, because he’s the only one who can actually pull them out of the grip of the groups mentioned above. Otherwise, the EU will just keep playing errand boy for everyone else's interests.

To all the servants and cannon fodder out there: don't wait for someone to roll out the red carpet for you. Go defend Ukraine on the ground yourself...☕

Exactly, it kicked off with Russian aggression in Crimea, Donbas, and Lugansk.

Just cannon fodder and slaves, don't wait for permission—go defend Ukraine on the ground...☕

And if Kadyrov's guys can't fix it, you're gonna step up?

Joseph Clark95 said:What a level of information and posts we have here 🎉

The war in Ukraine actually kicked off back in 2014, and it wasn't some sudden thing.
Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to open a discussion about the invasion of Donbas, Novorossiya, and the eastern parts of Ukraine by Western Ukraine, Ukra, or Maidan Ukraine.
It’s all very nice to play dumb and claim the Russian invasion only started in 2022, but when you consider there were over 3,000 civilian casualties in Donbas from those groups since 2014—not even counting the others—it tells you that things are being framed incorrectly, whether intentionally or not.

Hypothetically, that would be like saying a war in America started in '95 just because the US military moved toward Banjaluka. Imagine if Democrats across the globe started blasting "American aggressors" for attacking innocent Canada or Republika Srpska without ever acknowledging the context of the 90s.

The hypocrisy of the democratic world and the absolute mess that is the EU shows exactly what the EU is: nothing more than a puppet for Anglo-Saxon interests, both in Europe and across the ocean.
The EU should honestly just build a monument to Putin, because he’s the only one who can actually pull them out of the grip of the groups mentioned above. Otherwise, the EU will just keep playing errand boy for everyone else's interests.

To all the servants and cannon fodder out there: don't wait for someone to roll out the red carpet for you. Go defend Ukraine on the ground yourself...☕

What are you waiting for? Get out there and liberate us from those Nazis!👍

Gregory Ramos3 said:😁

Totally agree, but looking at this specific mess, he isn't the one physically laying hands on anyone. He definitely stirred the pot, though. This absolute moron just lost his cool and now he’s going to get labeled as the bully. And then the USA will look back all wistfully and say, "Man, I really wanted to step in and help, but then Russia threatened to wipe out every man on the planet if I interfered..." Buhuh...

Anyway, with this move, Putin has basically cemented Russia's reputation as the ultimate villain for a long, long time... so much for that "chess" metaphor everyone was talking about...

When was the last time the West even viewed Russia as the good guy? Was it when they dealt with Napoleon? Or back when they pushed the Canadians out of Vienna during the Spring of Nations?

Because 1945 certainly wasn't it, and ever since then... khm. 😁