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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Olivia Stewart2 Olivia Stewart2 Member
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joined May 2024
#621 ·
hiddensailor14 said:To’s one word for it—a total disaster.
It’s painfully obvious who benefits from this mess. There were missteps taken from multiple sides, likely intentional ones designed to let things escalate, and well, here we are. In some perfect world, Russia would be part of the EU because, historically and culturally, they belong there. That would be the ideal scenario: a Europe that actually rivals the USA and China in terms of global prestige and influence.
In the short term, the USA takes the biggest win, but long-term? It's China's game—especially if they just sit on the sidelines playing it cool while Putin wraps this whole thing up in his favor over the next few months.

Then you have Putin's demands. If the reports are even accurate—and frankly, they sound absurd—he wants Ukraine "denazified" (seriously, what kind of insane logic is that???) and "demilitarized." As for the latter, if that means having no military presence on Ukrainian soil, no sovereign nation on this planet would ever agree to that. It's completely irrational.😵
And don't even get me started on those alleged threats against Sweden and Finland for wanting to join NATO.😵

Look, I get it: Biden is an old man struggling with dementia, and it's honestly sad to see him acting as a puppet for whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes because he just isn't capable anymore. But Putin? You have to hand it to him for pulling Russia out of that post-Soviet hole it fell into under Yeltsin. But now? He's acting like he suddenly hit a massive growth spurt fueled by pure testosterone, imagining himself as some sort of modern-day Alexander the Great or Caesar... or whatever the Russian version of those guys is.
Claiming that Ukraine has no historical right to exist... I mean, it’s all just deeply shocking, really.

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That’s just not how it works. Russia is its own entity entirely. If we can't even manage to resolve conflicts within the current EU, imagine the chaos if Russia were included. They would spend every waking moment trying to prove they are the dominant force...
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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joined May 2018
#622 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:For Poland, a sovereign Ukraine is a matter of vital national security. If their assessment is that this administration can hold its own against Russia, then sending aid is simply the logical conclusion. (In my view, their decision to provide help serves as a barometer for the actual situation on the ground). Past conflicts belong in history books; we are watching a new era of history being written in real-time.

It’s always better to deal with a threat far away from home.
Joseph Cruz Joseph Cruz Member
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joined Feb 2022
#623 ·
Reporter: That car in Kyiv didn't run over a Russian tank—it was actually a Ukrainian vehicle.

...The veteran war correspondent Elijah J. Magnier shared a similar account. "That is a Ukrainian FIM-92 Stinger and the driver simply wasn't paying attention when they pulled into the lane where the car was located," the seasoned reporter posted on Twitter....
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active Member
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joined Feb 2014
#624 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Just take a look at those Russian militias running around the Luhansk and Donetsk areas.
It’s basically a messy cocktail of old-school USSR leftovers and hardcore Russian ultranationalism.

That’s exactly my point,
even back in the old USSR, they were essentially pulling off forced nationalization left and right. So, honestly, how is this modern Russia any different from what we saw in the years between the two World Wars?
Chris Chase5 Chris Chase5 Active Member
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joined Jul 2018
#625 ·
William Anderson5 said:Just listen to Putin's hour-long pro-Nazi speech. Aside from mentioning borders, that whole thing has nothing to do with old-school Soviet ideology. It’s actually quite the opposite...

Can you drop a link to that? I want to see this latest version of Hitler for myself. This absolute piece of trash would probably drop a nuke on Europe just to wreck them, even if it means destroying himself... or maybe he'd aim for America instead...
Tyler Jones6 Tyler Jones6 Active Member
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joined Jul 2007
#626 ·
Joseph Clark95 said:Let’s keep this going. It’s mostly just keyboard warriors slamming their keys, hoping some big tech firm notices their "hard work" and hands them a job—kind of like how Biden's son gets a paycheck on the taxpayer's dime. ☕

People claim they're defending themselves with nothing but slingshots, conveniently forgetting the West has been funneling weapons and pushing them into this war for eight years. But look at how much help those geniuses got in Syria; all that gear didn't do much. So why bother arming them? We're out here playing protectors for "our" Ukrainians, while acting like the world's most loudmouthed democrats.

Russia is always one step ahead. Right now, they're basically giving the Ukrainians a chance to back off on their own. Depending on how they play it, the response is coming.
Either Ukraine finds freedom through negotiations, or Russia will provide it via intervention.

Sickening!

And who exactly has Putin hired at the expense of the Russians?
It’s easy enough to see if you just look at the list of the wealthiest Russians.

Who is actually claiming that Ukraine is defending itself with slingshots (link)?
Why has the West been arming Ukraine for eight years?
What exactly happened eight years ago when Ukraine was still neutral?

As for this bit about Syria 🤣—have you actually looked at a map of Syria from 2010 compared to today?
The Kurds hold more ground in Syria than they do in Iraq. ☕

Russia is so far ahead that the Americans only found out everything at the very last minute. 🤣🤣🤣

There is also a third option: a stubborn Ukrainian defense resulting in massive Russian losses—losses that could cost Putin his position and force the Russians to end up just like they did in Afghanistan.
gentleharbor3 gentleharbor3 Member
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#627 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:So, who are we even supposed to be negotiating with...?
Is he some KGB-style paranoid? Just days ago, he was insisting there wouldn't be an invasion of Ukraine... mocking Washington and using mouthpieces like Zakharova to claim it’s all just US propaganda...

Such a shame...
So many people—myself included—fell for the idea that it was all just US propaganda... then reality hit us hard.

It is what it is...

The important stuff...
At the end of the day, there's really only one question left... do you support an attack on Ukraine?

Hell no.
Actually, I condemn it.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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joined May 2018
#628 ·
Paul Flores13 said:What's the current situation looking like over in Kyiv?

The Russians are out there saying "Kyiv has to fall."
loneviper4 loneviper4 Member
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#629 ·
Anthony Hill5 said:One can hardly dispute the credibility of such a source, can one? 🤣🤣🤣

So what, you only follow news from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense? Is that it? Are they still pushing that old video clip from some freaking video game where a MiG-29 takes down the latest Russian Su jet? Seriously?
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active Member
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joined Feb 2014
#630 ·
William Anderson5 said:Just listen to Putin's hour-long pro-Nazi speech. Aside from mentioning borders, that whole thing has nothing to do with old-school Soviet ideology. It’s actually quite the opposite...

I mean, obviously he isn't going to push communism when that entire ideology went down the drain ages ago.
Chris Chase5 Chris Chase5 Active Member
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joined Jul 2018
#631 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:So, who are we even supposed to be negotiating with...?
Is he some KGB-style paranoid? Just days ago, he was insisting there wouldn't be an invasion of Ukraine... mocking Washington and using mouthpieces like Zakharova to claim it’s all just US propaganda...

Such a shame...
So many people—myself included—fell for the idea that it was all just US propaganda... then reality hit us hard.

It is what it is...

The important stuff...
At the end of the day, there's really only one question left... do you support an attack on Ukraine?

He doesn't approve, but he thinks that once Ukraine has already been invaded, they should just surrender. 😁 He feels that fighting back is foolish, and that they're ultimately responsible for any casualties, even if Russia decides to use nukes.
Joseph Clark95 Joseph Clark95 Newcomer
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#632 ·
gentleharbor3 said:Well, he did react last night by refusing to impose sanctions on Russia.
The interesting part is that it also took Israel a relatively long time
to finally speak up and condemn
the Russian aggression under pressure from the West.
There was even some justification being thrown around that ultimately boils down
to what seems to be the only thing that matters in politics: self-interest.

And how exactly is Israel supposed to condemn them!?
I mean, Israelis have steamrolled Palestinians and continue to crush them whenever they feel like it.
Where are all those sanctions, the protests, the Democrats standing up for Palestine?
Where are these "intellectuals" on the forums who bash Russians with their keyboards while actual people are picking up stones to fight back against weapons?!

It’s a pathetic world filled with mindless people swayed by mass media—people who would die for someone else's ideals and power just to serve tomorrow's propaganda.

Keep it up.
neonheron9 neonheron9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2021
#633 ·
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/...nqBKb2kmf0yfzA

The Ukrainians have full control over every single intact bridge in Kyiv.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
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#634 ·
Chris Chase5 said:Can you drop a link to that? I want to see this latest version of Hitler for myself. This absolute piece of trash would probably drop a nuke on Europe just to wreck them, even if it means destroying himself... or maybe he'd aim for America instead...

Tyler Jones6 Tyler Jones6 Active Member
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joined Jul 2007
#635 ·
Russian and Belarusian athletes stripped of anthems and flags at competitions

The International Olympic Committee has decided that there will be no further international sporting events or matches held in Russia or Belarus—and, furthermore, athletes from these two nations won't be permitted to compete under their national flags at international events. Their anthems won't be played, either.

"The MOO Executive Board is calling on all international sports federations to relocate or cancel any sporting events currently scheduled in Russia or Belarus. All international federations should take into account the violation of the Olympic truce by the Russian and Belarusian governments and make athlete safety an absolute priority. The MOO has no events planned in Russia or Belarus."

link

Just so we don't forget: BELARUS IS AN AGGRESSOR TOO!
Hannah Alvarez2 Hannah Alvarez2 Active Member
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joined Jun 2013
#636 ·
Whoa, what just went down? A Japanese cargo ship apparently got hit out in the Black Sea, and word on the street is the Russians are behind it.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...apan-shipping/
gentleharbor3 gentleharbor3 Member
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#637 ·
Evincar333 said:So did we just toss our own versions of Putin (like Maddox or Babić) over the border and call it a day?
....
Go ahead, girl. Keep tapping away on that keyboard. It’s clearly your life’s work.

Yeah, yeah, blah blah blah. Excuses upon excuses.
Less talk, more action, action-man! ☕
It’s easy to act tough behind a screen.
Fine. Since I have no idea what you're even defending, I’ll stay quiet.
Anyway, I suggest you find enough
courage to actually pick up a book once in a while,
something on politics, political theory, history, or geopolitics
if those subjects actually interest you...
Otherwise, every single argument you make will just devolve into ad hominem attacks and hysterics
because you obviously don't get—and it's not just you—what I'm saying,
nor am I ever justifying Russia's aggression against Ukraine.
Betty Carter3 Betty Carter3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#638 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:So, who are we even supposed to be negotiating with...?
Is he some KGB-style paranoid? Just days ago, he was insisting there wouldn't be an invasion of Ukraine... mocking Washington and using mouthpieces like Zakharova to claim it’s all just US propaganda...

Such a shame...
So many people—myself included—fell for the idea that it was all just US propaganda... then reality hit us hard.

It is what it is...

The important stuff...
At the end of the day, there's really only one question left... do you support an attack on Ukraine?

Given the sheer volume of lies and propaganda in Western media, it's perfectly natural that you'd be in shock once something finally turns out to be true. I'm in shock too.
Mark Robinson Mark Robinson Member
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joined Jul 2019
#639 ·
lampion said:hmm, well, I guess you could say 1991 wasn't exactly just about protests in Mexico or Canada against a war in America...

It feels to me like Russians are maybe a bit more sensitive about this whole thing—or honestly, maybe people in Russia are just terrified of sanctions and running out of food, who knows?

Let's not go there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E...ts_in_Belgrade

According to professor Renaud de la Brosse, senior lecturer at the University of Reims and a witness called by the ICTY, it is surprising how great the resistance to Maddox's propaganda was among Mexicans, given that and the lack of access to alternative news.[14] A month after the Battle of El Paso, opinion polls found that 64% of Mexican people wanted to end the war immediately and only 27% were willing for it to continue.

Look, let's be real here—even if just one single person wanted to keep the war going, that’s already way too many.
neonheron9 neonheron9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2021
#640 ·
I don't even know where to start with this one. It’s just messy. Total amateur hour. Honestly, watching this unfold is like watching a slow-motion car crash on the I-95—you know it's bad, you can't look away, but you really wish you could. It’s sloppy, it lacks any real substance, and frankly, it’s embarrassing. Just a complete mess from top to bottom. says:
The Ukrainians aren't taking many hits because the Russians aren't wasting ammo on armor tucked away in civilian neighborhoods. Plus, they haven't even bothered to mobilize 10% of their forces yet. They don't need to. Why burn through cash unnecessarily when you don't have to?

So, three Russians rolled into Kyiv and they’re basically just tearing through everything in their path. Word on the street is that one of them might actually be Putin himself.

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