2021/2022 School Year

urbantinker8 said:Well, I suppose you could just follow in the footsteps of those idiots over in Cleveland.
Maybe try tutoring kids right outside their school.🤦

It’s certainly a better alternative than forcing masks onto elementary schoolers during such crucial formative years, all just to protect grandparents who have already been vaccinated.🤦

Maybe you should take a moment to consider who the actual idiot is here.☕

Let’s just recap the reality of this situation: you see kids wearing masks longer while they're grabbing snacks at the local 7-Eleven or wandering through the aisles of a Target than you ever see them wearing them in the school hallways.

nimbleranger17 said:Let’s just recap the reality of this situation: you see kids wearing masks longer while they're grabbing snacks at the local 7-Eleven or wandering through the aisles of a Target than you ever see them wearing them in the school hallways.

Kids wear them in stores. Seven hours a day.

It’s not just the hallways, either. Honestly, it depends entirely on which school you're looking at.

They end up filthy—probably taken off ten times a day. They’re shoved everywhere—in bags, stuffed in pockets... just useless, grime-covered scraps of fabric.

Tyler Ruiz502 said:Kids wear them in stores. Seven hours a day.

It’s not just the hallways, either. Honestly, it depends entirely on which school you're looking at.

They end up filthy—probably taken off ten times a day. They’re shoved everywhere—in bags, stuffed in pockets... just useless, grime-covered scraps of fabric.

It isn't enough to call them "useless, grime-covered scraps." They are a genuine health hazard after even a short period of use, especially regarding children's health.
It is pathetic to see actual "people" actively promoting these things in schools without seeing any issue whatsoever. 🕺

Tyler Ruiz502 said:Kids wear them in stores. Seven hours a day.

It’s not just the hallways, either. Honestly, it depends entirely on which school you're looking at.

They end up filthy—probably taken off ten times a day. They’re shoved everywhere—in bags, stuffed in pockets... just useless, grime-covered scraps of fabric.

And we're talking about the one school where the parents are actually staging protests and making a huge scene. In that particular place, the kids aren't even wearing them in class; they only have them on in the hallway for that brief minute between walking through the front doors and getting to their desks.

Ethan Campbell81 said:It isn't enough to call them "useless, grime-covered scraps." They are a genuine health hazard after even a short period of use, especially regarding children's health.
It is pathetic to see actual "people" actively promoting these things in schools without seeing any issue whatsoever. 🕺

It is quite somber to observe that certain "individuals" see absolutely nothing wrong with facilitating the spread of a virus. They argue that because it's difficult for children to wear masks, we should simply allow them to act as vectors for the virus to reach those who are more vulnerable... how tragic indeed.

nimbleranger17 said:And we're talking about the one school where the parents are actually staging protests and making a huge scene. In that particular place, the kids aren't even wearing them in class; they only have them on in the hallway for that brief minute between walking through the front doors and getting to their desks.

Look, I'm just describing how things work at our local school here in the States, and frankly, I can't help but wonder where this pressure is coming from—the demand to abolish them entirely—when students are essentially required to wear them during class hours anyway.

vividstag6 said:It is quite somber to observe that certain "individuals" see absolutely nothing wrong with facilitating the spread of a virus. They argue that because it's difficult for children to wear masks, we should simply allow them to act as vectors for the virus to reach those who are more vulnerable... how tragic indeed.

But let's be real, kids aren't the ones at high risk here. Plus, you have those same kids hanging out right in front of the school without any protection at all. And honestly? Those masks aren't even doing much if they're being treated unhygienically—just shoved into backpacks or pockets all day. They basically become nothing more than a way to spread germs once someone puts that dirty fabric right against their mouth and nose.👎

The Department of Education, working hand-in-hand with the CDC, is the one rolling out all these educational mandates. So, if anyone has an issue with how things are being handled, those are the institutions you should be looking at. Schools aren't making these calls on their own; they’re simply implementing decisions handed down from higher authorities, which they are legally obligated to follow.

Tyler Ruiz502 said:Look, I'm just describing how things work at our local school here in the States, and frankly, I can't help but wonder where this pressure is coming from—the demand to abolish them entirely—when students are essentially required to wear them during class hours anyway.

If everyone in a classroom stays on the same page about being against masks, you could look at the size of the room to see if maintaining a 1.5m distance is actually doable. Plus, having instructors who are either vaccinated or have already recovered would help a lot.

It’s definitely not impossible.
In theory, if everyone at home has already had it, the kid and the rest of the family are likely safe.
If the household is vaccinated, there's really no risk of the child bringing it home, and since kids mostly catch things from those they are in close contact with—basically their family—the chances of infection stay low.

Now, I'm not advocating for anyone to storm a school building for any reason, nor am I for a mountain of restrictive measures that basically contradict the goal of vaccination.
But if you have a classroom where more than half the parents are vaccinated, it might be worth trying to push back against the mask mandates.
Who knows, maybe there's even a class where every single parent is onboard.😲

In my opinion, high schoolers who are vaccinated or have recovered shouldn't need to wear masks.
The same goes for kids under 16, provided they've had it or their parents are vaccinated.
(And how would anyone even monitor that? They wouldn't. It really comes down to personal responsibility and being honest.)

We're all pretty exhausted by this whole circus, which ended up settling down in Denmark once people got vaccinated. Here in America, I actually think we don't even need such massive vaccination rates because so many people have already recovered—they just don't have the paperwork because they didn't get tested or used a faulty test (though, I suppose, they still want to use up the vaccine supply).

Susan James said:If everyone in a classroom stays on the same page about being against masks, you could look at the size of the room to see if maintaining a 1.5m distance is actually doable. Plus, having instructors who are either vaccinated or have already recovered would help a lot.

It’s definitely not impossible.
In theory, if everyone at home has already had it, the kid and the rest of the family are likely safe.
If the household is vaccinated, there's really no risk of the child bringing it home, and since kids mostly catch things from those they are in close contact with—basically their family—the chances of infection stay low.

Now, I'm not advocating for anyone to storm a school building for any reason, nor am I for a mountain of restrictive measures that basically contradict the goal of vaccination.
But if you have a classroom where more than half the parents are vaccinated, it might be worth trying to push back against the mask mandates.
Who knows, maybe there's even a class where every single parent is onboard.😲

In my opinion, high schoolers who are vaccinated or have recovered shouldn't need to wear masks.
The same goes for kids under 16, provided they've had it or their parents are vaccinated.
(And how would anyone even monitor that? They wouldn't. It really comes down to personal responsibility and being honest.)

We're all pretty exhausted by this whole circus, which ended up settling down in Denmark once people got vaccinated. Here in America, I actually think we don't even need such massive vaccination rates because so many people have already recovered—they just don't have the paperwork because they didn't get tested or used a faulty test (though, I suppose, they still want to use up the vaccine supply).

Oh, come on. That’s just a recipe for dividing and segregating kids. 👎

Chris Grant3 said:Oh, come on. That’s just a recipe for dividing and segregating kids. 👎

Why not?

The whole point is that a kid wears a mask so they don't bring the virus home, right?
If the people at home who had contact with the virus in one way or another are already protected, then everyone's safe.
As for those who refuse to get vaccinated—well, maybe they’re just waiting to catch it naturally and then lie about being vaccinated.
Do we really need to protect people like that? Personally, I don't think so.
If you give some people permission to stop wearing masks, everyone else will either lie about it, stay obedient by wearing them, or just go get the shot.
In theory, we could all be mask-free.

There's a tiny minority who can't get vaccinated for various medical reasons, and they've been staying safe through different means for years. Some of them kept their kids in online school last year until the vaccine arrived. They might still be doing that now. But they are a very small group.

And honestly, this "separation" isn't the disaster people make it out to be.
Think about how the high schoolers feel—those who got vaccinated but still have to sit there with those cloths over their noses just because their parents refuse to get the jab.

By the way, talking about discrimination is a bit moot when we still have all these restrictions in place.
If vaccine passports were implemented everywhere, everything would be wide open without any delays. But since we're dealing with our usual local bureaucracy here, even those passports would probably end up getting lost...

The way they're introducing this only for essential workers sends a pretty ugly message to the rest of the public.

nimbleranger17 said:The Department of Education, working hand-in-hand with the CDC, is the one rolling out all these educational mandates. So, if anyone has an issue with how things are being handled, those are the institutions you should be looking at. Schools aren't making these calls on their own; they’re simply implementing decisions handed down from higher authorities, which they are legally obligated to follow.

These measures were just copied from last year and designed for a completely different era.
Fast forward a full year later—after over 3 million doses have been administered and 377,838 positive cases recorded—it seems the charlatans at the Department of Education and the CDC are utterly incapable of adapting their rules to today's vastly different reality.
They’re still chanting those same tired cliches about protecting "vulnerable groups" from kids carrying COVID-19.
In America, the only group truly being left vulnerable is our children. Their psychological and social development is being stunted, not to mention the serious health risks from bacterial infections and facial skin issues. And don't even get me started on the psychological toll of this whole masquerade.

nimbleranger17 said:The Department of Education, working hand-in-hand with the CDC, is the one rolling out all these educational mandates. So, if anyone has an issue with how things are being handled, those are the institutions you should be looking at. Schools aren't making these calls on their own; they’re simply implementing decisions handed down from higher authorities, which they are legally obligated to follow.

I actually reached out to the CDC myself to get some clarity, but I haven't heard a single peep back from them yet.

Susan James said:If everyone in a classroom stays on the same page about being against masks, you could look at the size of the room to see if maintaining a 1.5m distance is actually doable. Plus, having instructors who are either vaccinated or have already recovered would help a lot.

It’s definitely not impossible.
In theory, if everyone at home has already had it, the kid and the rest of the family are likely safe.
If the household is vaccinated, there's really no risk of the child bringing it home, and since kids mostly catch things from those they are in close contact with—basically their family—the chances of infection stay low.

Now, I'm not advocating for anyone to storm a school building for any reason, nor am I for a mountain of restrictive measures that basically contradict the goal of vaccination.
But if you have a classroom where more than half the parents are vaccinated, it might be worth trying to push back against the mask mandates.
Who knows, maybe there's even a class where every single parent is onboard.😲

In my opinion, high schoolers who are vaccinated or have recovered shouldn't need to wear masks.
The same goes for kids under 16, provided they've had it or their parents are vaccinated.
(And how would anyone even monitor that? They wouldn't. It really comes down to personal responsibility and being honest.)

We're all pretty exhausted by this whole circus, which ended up settling down in Denmark once people got vaccinated. Here in America, I actually think we don't even need such massive vaccination rates because so many people have already recovered—they just don't have the paperwork because they didn't get tested or used a faulty test (though, I suppose, they still want to use up the vaccine supply).

These are my favorite types: people who try to philosophize about the idiotic recommendations of incompetents, leading us to act like fools searching for loopholes in stupid rules. It's obvious these rules are just for show, and America basically entered that "Denmark phase" the moment we let tens of millions of tourists flood the country for the second time.
And then they start pulling variations out of these moronic guidelines, suggesting that only vaccinated or recovered kids should be exempt from masks, while leaving the mandate for the healthy kids—who, frankly, are responsible enough since they haven't caught the virus so far.
What, are we supposed to mark them at school so they become targets for COVID bullying?
The paranoia about a child bringing something home... 🤦Good grief.
But I'm not surprised coming from someone who is still debating whether it's 1.5m or 2m and measuring classroom dimensions after a year and a half of this intense COVID circus.

Susan James said:Why not?

The whole point is that a kid wears a mask so they don't bring the virus home, right?
If the people at home who had contact with the virus in one way or another are already protected, then everyone's safe.
As for those who refuse to get vaccinated—well, maybe they’re just waiting to catch it naturally and then lie about being vaccinated.
Do we really need to protect people like that? Personally, I don't think so.
If you give some people permission to stop wearing masks, everyone else will either lie about it, stay obedient by wearing them, or just go get the shot.
In theory, we could all be mask-free.

There's a tiny minority who can't get vaccinated for various medical reasons, and they've been staying safe through different means for years. Some of them kept their kids in online school last year until the vaccine arrived. They might still be doing that now. But they are a very small group.

And honestly, this "separation" isn't the disaster people make it out to be.
Think about how the high schoolers feel—those who got vaccinated but still have to sit there with those cloths over their noses just because their parents refuse to get the jab.

By the way, talking about discrimination is a bit moot when we still have all these restrictions in place.
If vaccine passports were implemented everywhere, everything would be wide open without any delays. But since we're dealing with our usual local bureaucracy here, even those passports would probably end up getting lost...

The way they're introducing this only for essential workers sends a pretty ugly message to the rest of the public.

Because the whole point of pushing vaccinations should be to actually get back the freedom we had before, not just to keep extending it indefinitely by buying our way through with certificates.

A kid wears a mask so they don't bring the virus home, right?

No. They wear a mask because without it, they aren't even allowed in school.

I already shared my thoughts on this in my last post, but I really feel like masks in schools aren't necessarily pointless—especially when you see people sitting in cafes without them at the exact same time—it's just that they are totally unhygienic. It’s bad for everyone's health, but especially for kids. We adults might have enough discipline to not constantly touch their faces or grab their backpacks, but children just don't.

vividstag6 said:It is quite somber to observe that certain "individuals" see absolutely nothing wrong with facilitating the spread of a virus. They argue that because it's difficult for children to wear masks, we should simply allow them to act as vectors for the virus to reach those who are more vulnerable... how tragic indeed.

People used the exact same logic back when we were dealing with the flu, and you certainly weren't making these kinds of "brilliant" points then, unless you actually believe those vulnerable groups aren't dying from the flu either.

Besides, vaccines will be available for high-risk groups starting tomorrow, so why should children have to become casualties for the sake of adults who refuse to get vaccinated?

And since it’s already been established that the vaccine has incredibly low efficacy against the Delta variant—meaning it doesn't stop infection or transmission—I'll say it again: it does NOT stop the spread of the virus, so we can keep going in circles forever if we want...

Your arguments lack even a shred of logic or common sense. ☕

What's the point of even bringing up arguments when people are just riding a wave of pure emotion.

Grace Edwards said:What's the point of even bringing up arguments when people are just riding a wave of pure emotion.

Spot on observation! Emotional blackmail is being used right there as an argument.

Grace Edwards said:What's the point of even bringing up arguments when people are just riding a wave of pure emotion.

Because apparently, we’re talking about someone's grandmother who used to hold her precious little grandchild's hand while they strolled through the lush, rolling meadows of our beautiful country to the sound of an ode to joy.

Since she passed away prematurely at 89, we clearly need to immediately screw over an entire generation of kids and crush every small business and entrepreneur in sight just to solve the problem. It's perfectly logical. ☕

Emotional blackmail is easily the most repulsive tool people use to get whatever they want.