Should we bring back lockdowns?

Yeah, just your standard power grab...

Lawrence Reed3 said:So, all that talk about scientists being paid to spread fear? I guess it might actually be true... hmm. It all kind of reminds me of one infamous, mustache-twirling villain from the early 1900s...

Shhh, you aren't supposed to mention that old dictator on this specific subforum!
And let's be real—the people making these accusations against scientists are usually just anti-vaxxers or flat-earthers. ☕
Just because something turns out to be true doesn't mean their entire worldview was right. 🧐 🕺
It’s just the "new normal" these days.

Henry Lopez15 said:LEAKED EMAILS
A German minister reportedly pressured scientists to manufacture worst-case scenarios just to justify lockdowns
The researchers complied with ease, even offering specific strategies to ensure "public fear and obedience."

It is clear that our own American scientists were far from idle, particularly those working under German influence.

And just like that, the whole world changed overnight, all thanks to some heavy-duty manipulation.

Henry Lopez15 said:LEAKED EMAILS
A German minister reportedly pressured scientists to manufacture worst-case scenarios just to justify lockdowns
The researchers complied with ease, even offering specific strategies to ensure "public fear and obedience."

It is clear that our own American scientists were far from idle, particularly those working under German influence.

Oh sure, I bet that's just another Flat Earth conspiracy theory!

Irony aside, the German official has this milder version of the truth—a little euphemism he likes to use when things get messy: "scandal."

But even using a minimizing term like that doesn't change the reality of what looks like blatant evidence of backroom plotting by Merkel's gang.

It’s really just a matter of time before more of this comes to light.

The "scandal" of COVID-19.

Lawrence Reed3 said:So, all that talk about scientists being paid to spread fear? I guess it might actually be true... hmm. It all kind of reminds me of one infamous, mustache-twirling villain from the early 1900s...

That's a bad comparison. Because of that mustache guy, today neither a cabinet secretary nor even the President has any real authority over healthcare or policing.
In the US, police and healthcare are handled at the state level. That's baked into our system because nobody wants to hand all that power back to one person ever again after what happened under Adolf.

The ruling class used to exert its influence through the clergy; today, they achieve the same results through the scientific community.

Amy Long5 said:That's a bad comparison. Because of that mustache guy, today neither a cabinet secretary nor even the President has any real authority over healthcare or policing.
In the US, police and healthcare are handled at the state level. That's baked into our system because nobody wants to hand all that power back to one person ever again after what happened under Adolf.

If only the President actually had a legitimate reason to try and boss the states around—even just using "soft" tactics like public pressure or intimidation campaigns... oh, wait.

If weapons weren't this destructive, kids today would be stuck in trenches...

The only thing stopping the elites from pulling the trigger is the fear of total annihilation.

And the media? They’ll handle the dirty work of convincing everyone it’s necessary, just like they did back in 1914 and again starting in February 2020.

So, the superpowers will just settle their scores by fueling local unrest instead.

People are just chess pieces to them.

Instead, we're looking at several years of living under permanent COVID states.

It's the substitute for the hydrogen bomb "dance." Because if that dance actually starts...

There won't be any media or elites left to witness it.

Amy Long5 said:That's a bad comparison. Because of that mustache guy, today neither a cabinet secretary nor even the President has any real authority over healthcare or policing.
In the US, police and healthcare are handled at the state level. That's baked into our system because nobody wants to hand all that power back to one person ever again after what happened under Adolf.

Honestly, more than anything else, I have to ask: are you doing okay? Seriously, what is going on here?

The group was busy picking mortality rates as if they were choosing flavors of ice cream—trying to be all "scientific" about it, of course.

I see most of you don't even recall that back when things felt truly terrifying, Merkel actually stated that 70 to 80 percent of the population would end up infected. Now, obviously, that has absolutely nothing to do with these emails we're seeing.

Like I’ve said before, I’m the first person who doesn't want to buy into conspiracy theories, but Merkel, Macron, and the rest of that crowd are genuinely—and I mean truly—doing everything in their power to scrutinize and dismiss every single theory being floated right now. If someone tries to link COVID-19 to an earthquake today, they realistically could... It has gone so far, and it isn't just the internet driving this madness, it's the politicians themselves.

Just yesterday, there was a statement in the news claiming that 180,000 people under the age of 60 would die if lockdowns aren't implemented. I mean, what is that supposed to mean? Where does that number come from, and what kind of mortality rate are they basing it on? Unless I’ve completely lost my mind, there aren't a billion people under 60 living in Germany...

Merkel is basically the Panzer-President...

Basically, the absolute worst-case scenario didn't even happen—probably thanks to the lockdowns—but they were making calls before anyone actually knew what was going on with COVID-19. And then someone had the genius idea to build their entire strategy around that nightmare scenario.
I don't know, isn't that just bad math? You're supposed to plan for the best-case scenario, right?

Gary Cooper3 said:As I’ve already pointed out to this group, Macan and Djikic had an exchange where Djikic essentially went on the record admitting they intentionally manipulated the narrative during the early stages of the pandemic—all under the guise that "people were overreacting." It was the exact same logic used to justify lying about the mask shortage, claiming we just "didn't have enough" at the time...

So, it turns out that the blatant lies and manipulations coming from these scientists—these supposed "experts"—isn't some new conspiracy theory they've been hiding for years. I have the evidence to back it up, naturally.

But that brings us to the real dilemma when you're dealing with the very institutions you’re supposed to turn to for the truth: how on earth are you meant to distinguish between an intentional lie and a simple mistake?
How am I expected to trust anyone in Germany after they claimed that without a lockdown, 180,000 people outside of high-risk groups would perish? What possible purpose does a lie of that magnitude serve?...

Can you share the link? I haven't seen that yet..

Amy Long5 said:Can you share the link? I haven't seen that yet..

Ugh, I can pull some screenshots together—I can make them myself if needed—but honestly, the easiest thing would be for you to just head over to Macan's LinkedIn profile; that's where he was going back and forth with him.

Macan was being called out by Djikica, who basically popped up out of nowhere, and then Macan started hitting him with all those nonsense arguments he made at the start—like claiming this was somehow a milder illness than the flu, which he’s insisted on multiple times alongside Rudan...

I might be able to grab those screenshots later tonight, but right now, things are a bit too hectic...

If it's true that 180,000 people died without any lockdowns, I'll have to dig through some German news outlets to verify that. Though, I find it hard to believe there was actual manipulation involved... purely because the "zero-covid" and "no-covid" crowds are just delusional groups who genuinely believe a virus can be wiped out entirely.

By the way, it seems even in places like Delaware they have their own local handymen specializing in this sort of thing:

Epidemiologist Andrej Trampuž—who is currently working at the Charite clinic in Berlin—warned during an interview with CBS last night that now is absolutely not the time to relax our restrictions... rather, we should be tightening them—especially given the presence of that new South African coronavirus strain that has already spread through Austria, posing a significant risk of moving into neighboring countries, including the US...

I wonder what kind of diet they're on over in Germany?

As a side note, over in the States, eating a greasy breakfast burrito while walking down a busy street is strictly forbidden—just to give you a little hint as to what "tightening the measures" might actually look like in practice. The mere thought of it is enough to make me uneasy...

Megan Green72 said:Basically, the absolute worst-case scenario didn't even happen—probably thanks to the lockdowns—but they were making calls before anyone actually knew what was going on with COVID-19. And then someone had the genius idea to build their entire strategy around that nightmare scenario.
I don't know, isn't that just bad math? You're supposed to plan for the best-case scenario, right?

There’s just no way you can claim it's impossible to quantify how successful those measures actually were. 😁

Gary Cooper3 said:By the way, it seems even in places like Delaware they have their own local handymen specializing in this sort of thing:

Epidemiologist Andrej Trampuž—who is currently working at the Charite clinic in Berlin—warned during an interview with CBS last night that now is absolutely not the time to relax our restrictions... rather, we should be tightening them—especially given the presence of that new South African coronavirus strain that has already spread through Austria, posing a significant risk of moving into neighboring countries, including the US...

I wonder what kind of diet they're on over in Germany?

As a side note, over in the States, eating a greasy breakfast burrito while walking down a busy street is strictly forbidden—just to give you a little hint as to what "tightening the measures" might actually look like in practice. The mere thought of it is enough to make me uneasy...

People in those kinds of professions have absolutely nothing to lose, so they feel free to push these kinds of agendas. Most of the real contagion is hitting the healthcare system, yet I don't see any major campaign targeting that. It seems like "holy cows" are just like politicians—they're massive spreaders themselves. As long as they can take a swing at the regular folks out enjoying a stroll on the boardwalk in accordance with the "rules," they're happy. ☕

So now the picture is perfectly clear. Scientists essentially tossed everything they knew about epidemiology—along with all the guidance from the WHO, the CDC, and similar agencies prior to March 2020—straight into the trash. All because they were following political orders. The real question is... who was calling the shots behind the politicians?

Ferguson's model predicted 96,000 deaths for Sweden in the baseline scenario. Under the most pessimistic projections, we were looking at 182,000 dead, while the optimistic view sat at 52,000 during the spring wave of 2020. And remember, those figures were supposed to be just COVID deaths alone, not even accounting for the thousands upon thousands of additional fatalities caused by a total healthcare collapse. Yet, there was no Swedish healthcare collapse, and only 5,000 people died during that first wave. As we move forward, it becomes increasingly obvious that the model was nothing more than a complete fabrication.

electricorca112 said:The article is right here. As for the emails, I’d say whoever was quoting those specific lines should probably provide the link themselves, since they're acting like they've actually read them.

As for me? Not happening. ☕

I wouldn't say that's the specific article the thug was talking about.
He was likely looking at this one instead:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...inspannte.html
It actually includes snippets of the emails.
And a whole lot of other stuff, too.
☕

Quincy:

Mrs. Gahan I can't even begin to process this mess. Honestly, I’ve seen better organized chaos at a roadside diner in Jersey during rush hour, but even that doesn't quite capture how much of a headache this is. It's just one of those things where you look at the situation, realize nobody really knows what they're doing, and decide it's probably easier to just grab a coffee and wait for the inevitable fallout. Just another day in the life, I guess. Look, drafting a bunch of different scenarios is just how the game is played; it's totally normal to have a few options on the table before you commit. They just use those politicians to get whatever they want, picking and choosing exactly who fits their agenda. I mean, that’s basically just how the game is played in this country. That’s exactly why they got the job in the first place—they’ll either ride that wave right back into office or lose their grip on power entirely.

An article in World claims they were only ever looking at one specific scenario. It goes without saying that when things get that heavy, you can basically keep a massive chunk of the population under your thumb just by slapping on a few restrictive rules. Did they pull it off? Yeah, they did. Honestly, if they’re actually working for the benefit of the people, I guess you could call that a job well done.

Just think back to our resident "mega expert" Al Gore, who was basically promising us the polar ice caps would be gone by 2014. That’s the kind of expertise we're dealing with here...🙏