Should we bring back lockdowns?

Amy Long5 said:Great guy.

He managed to scrape together $800 from 1,400 fools just to sue a virologist in America.

Now he’s launched lawsuits against all sorts of people who have nothing to do with it...

Here is some info on

Name is destiny!
Fuellmich translates to "fill me up"—I hope you already sent your $800.

You haven't even looked at what this is about, yet you're complaining for no reason. What does Reiner Fuellmich have to do with the Weimar District Court? 🙂

Go ahead, read the news.
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news...drig-li.134388
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/ein_v...down_gecrashed

Just type into Google: Urteil vom 6 OWi - 523 Js 202518/20
and you'll see everything in black and white. Read the ruling.

Linda Lee4 said:Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

Look, we’re basically running the best shows in the hospitals—those folks in the local clinics aren't even half as intense as we are.

driftingstag84 said:You haven't even looked at what this is about, yet you're complaining for no reason. What does Reiner Fuellmich have to do with the Weimar District Court? 🙂

Go ahead, read the news.
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news...drig-li.134388
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/ein_v...down_gecrashed

Just type into Google: Urteil vom 6 OWi - 523 Js 202518/20
and you'll see everything in black and white. Read the ruling.

I'm telling you, the guy is brilliant. ;-)

He found a job, collects money from the Flat Earthers, and files lawsuits wherever he wants, regardless of whether they make sense or not.

Honestly, he's better than those people who organized anti-mandate protests and offered rides on their own buses just to turn a quick profit.

Linda Lee4 said:Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

Who’s actually stopping you? You just find your group, pick a spot, and make it happen... honestly, they just scared us senseless with all that nonsense about neighbors snitching or police raiding homes during the holidays, but in the end, it turned out to be nothing but intimidation tactics. Now? None of that bothers me even 5%.
Those folks over in Oakwood deserve being dragged through the news—people are rightfully calling them out because they couldn't manage to host a party without getting busted... I guess since they're "professionals" and all, they really should know better.
And look, even the Czechs are reopening cafes as a form of protest.

I really hope we follow their lead if things don't start looking up regarding the reopening by the time those new numbers hit.

Lawrence Reed3 said:Who’s actually stopping you? You just find your group, pick a spot, and make it happen... honestly, they just scared us senseless with all that nonsense about neighbors snitching or police raiding homes during the holidays, but in the end, it turned out to be nothing but intimidation tactics. Now? None of that bothers me even 5%.
Those folks over in Oakwood deserve being dragged through the news—people are rightfully calling them out because they couldn't manage to host a party without getting busted... I guess since they're "professionals" and all, they really should know better.
And look, even the Czechs are reopening cafes as a form of protest.

I really hope we follow their lead if things don't start looking up regarding the reopening by the time those new numbers hit.

I’m convinced our administration and those "experts" on the task force are actually rooting for this. They seem completely lost and have no idea how to handle the situation.

To the public, they have to pretend they’re successfully managing the crisis ☕ rather than letting the crisis manage them. It would give them some breathing room. If things improve, they can take the credit and collect taxes. If everything falls apart, they'll just blame irresponsible citizens instead of themselves.

I really hope California can lead the way here:
"Yesterday's statement from the head of Kozlevac seems to be a perfect reflection of what's actually happening on the ground. We have to be incredibly careful and avoid rushing into anything—but at the same time, we need to start easing some of these measures, bit by bit. People are exhausted, and frankly, they've had enough of these restrictions. It’s starting to become a psychological issue," he mentioned following yesterday's request from the California Crisis Management Center regarding the current protocols.
Honestly, people are just completely worn out by all of this.
There are certain situations where breaking the rules and ignoring the mandates is actually justified—and I think this is one of them—so if the Crisis Management Center keeps insisting on sticking to the same old rules, then maybe breaking them is the right thing to do.

Lawrence Reed3 said:Who’s actually stopping you? You just find your group, pick a spot, and make it happen... honestly, they just scared us senseless with all that nonsense about neighbors snitching or police raiding homes during the holidays, but in the end, it turned out to be nothing but intimidation tactics. Now? None of that bothers me even 5%.
Those folks over in Oakwood deserve being dragged through the news—people are rightfully calling them out because they couldn't manage to host a party without getting busted... I guess since they're "professionals" and all, they really should know better.
And look, even the Czechs are reopening cafes as a form of protest.

I really hope we follow their lead if things don't start looking up regarding the reopening by the time those new numbers hit.

It’s pretty wild that their max fine is only about $800, whereas over here, I think it starts at $10,000$0.00 for anyone caught without a mask. Honestly, if everyone just opened up all at once, who could actually stop them? They can't hand out fines to every single person in the country. Plus, if all the local restaurant owners teamed up and pooled their money to cover whoever gets hit with a fine, they could basically call the government's bluff. It's better to just follow the rules as best as possible—like sticking to outdoor seating or doing "coffee to go" so people can just hang out on curbs or low walls nearby.

Frank Martin2 said:I’m convinced our administration and those "experts" on the task force are actually rooting for this. They seem completely lost and have no idea how to handle the situation.

To the public, they have to pretend they’re successfully managing the crisis ☕ rather than letting the crisis manage them. It would give them some breathing room. If things improve, they can take the credit and collect taxes. If everything falls apart, they'll just blame irresponsible citizens instead of themselves.

"Covid" is basically an axe for the mainstream media and all those cronies tied to global oligarchies. It gave them this incredibly slick excuse to ramp up control and micromanage the population without having to answer for any of it. Honestly, it’s like a fever dream for any sociopathic hierarchy. That’s why they’re diving headfirst into this game without blinking; they clearly have no intention of stopping until someone gives them a massive reality check, mostly because the payoff is just too good. We're talking both financial gains and a massive dopamine hit.

fadedranger162 said:It’s pretty wild that their max fine is only about $800, whereas over here, I think it starts at $10,000$0.00 for anyone caught without a mask. Honestly, if everyone just opened up all at once, who could actually stop them? They can't hand out fines to every single person in the country. Plus, if all the local restaurant owners teamed up and pooled their money to cover whoever gets hit with a fine, they could basically call the government's bluff. It's better to just follow the rules as best as possible—like sticking to outdoor seating or doing "coffee to go" so people can just hang out on curbs or low walls nearby.

I honestly don't get what the big deal is—just let all the coffee shops operate and sell takeout, and let guests sit on the patio if there's space available. I mean, in some parts of the country, winters aren't even that bad; when it isn't raining, people just hang out outside anyway. So, whether they're sitting on a patio, a sea wall, or just on a park bench, it's really all the same thing to me.

silverstag24 said:"Covid" is basically an axe for the mainstream media and all those cronies tied to global oligarchies. It gave them this incredibly slick excuse to ramp up control and micromanage the population without having to answer for any of it. Honestly, it’s like a fever dream for any sociopathic hierarchy. That’s why they’re diving headfirst into this game without blinking; they clearly have no intention of stopping until someone gives them a massive reality check, mostly because the payoff is just too good. We're talking both financial gains and a massive dopamine hit.

History has shown us plenty of times where situations like this ended in full-blown revolution...
It's pretty wild how the actual legitimate government wants to ease up on the restrictions, but the shadow group pulling the strings—who doesn't even represent the people—refuses to budge. And let's be honest, everyone knows these mandates are more about politics than actual epidemiology at this point. It felt like they just had to shut something down to look "responsible" to Europe, so they went after the easy targets—like restaurants or gyms—things that won't break the federal budget. Maybe, just maybe, politics will actually play a role here for once and they'll finally let things reopen.

fadedranger162 said:It’s pretty wild that their max fine is only about $800, whereas over here, I think it starts at $10,000$0.00 for anyone caught without a mask. Honestly, if everyone just opened up all at once, who could actually stop them? They can't hand out fines to every single person in the country. Plus, if all the local restaurant owners teamed up and pooled their money to cover whoever gets hit with a fine, they could basically call the government's bluff. It's better to just follow the rules as best as possible—like sticking to outdoor seating or doing "coffee to go" so people can just hang out on curbs or low walls nearby.

That really is the only viable path forward, though I fear we won't see any such movement... People are simply too terrified of the penalties.
I share that anxiety, because right now, $33 facing those kinds of fines would quite literally mean bankruptcy for me.
If I were running a full corporation rather than just a small sole proprietorship, maybe I'd just be pushed into insolvency, but with my current setup, I'm personally liable for everything I own...
That being said, if a real grassroots initiative actually started moving in that direction, I’d be the first one through the door.
Well, whatever happens, happens... They’ve already stripped me of everything anyway.

Lawrence Reed3 said:I honestly don't get what the big deal is—just let all the coffee shops operate and sell takeout, and let guests sit on the patio if there's space available. I mean, in some parts of the country, winters aren't even that bad; when it isn't raining, people just hang out outside anyway. So, whether they're sitting on a patio, a sea wall, or just on a park bench, it's really all the same thing to me.

And clearly, nobody gets it, least of all the people in charge. It’s ridiculous—a legitimate cafe isn't allowed to sell you a coffee to go, but if you call some old-school deli that delivers lunch or hit up a convenience store for an iced coffee, you're good to go. It’s totally moronic how it’s set up; you're labeled a "cafe" and suddenly you're restricted, while everyone else gets a free pass.😵
Based on that logic, I think they could actually sue the government.

Drew Johnson2 said:That really is the only viable path forward, though I fear we won't see any such movement... People are simply too terrified of the penalties.
I share that anxiety, because right now, $33 facing those kinds of fines would quite literally mean bankruptcy for me.
If I were running a full corporation rather than just a small sole proprietorship, maybe I'd just be pushed into insolvency, but with my current setup, I'm personally liable for everything I own...
That being said, if a real grassroots initiative actually started moving in that direction, I’d be the first one through the door.
Well, whatever happens, happens... They’ve already stripped me of everything anyway.

Look, most of those heavy fines are aimed at the big corporations, but it doesn't matter. If they start cracking down on everyone indiscriminately, half of them will end up bankrupt and on the street, and then imagine the massive tax revenue loss the government will face down the road.

Of course, that's just me playing a poker hand, but looking at what happened in Italy and now the Czech Republic, it seems like their bluff didn't pay off either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying once everything opens back up, people should act like my username and just go wild or trample over everyone else. But if everyone acts responsibly and adjusts to the reality on the ground, we shouldn't need the government to micromanage everything at a regional level.

The fines leveled against small business owners here are absolutely astronomical and completely out of proportion with what we actually bring in... it's just nonsensical.
I suppose the excuse is that they don't want to penalize everyone at once, but honestly, once you’ve been targeted by the heavy hand of a state inspector during peak season, you stop being surprised by their tactics...
It’s practically an ultimatum right at your doorstep: do you want to settle for $6,000 right now, or should we start digging around until we find enough to charge you $50,000?
Because of that, I really don't see the point in trying to compare our regulatory enforcement—and I mean the inspectors, not the police—with how things work in other countries...

It isn't that we're afraid of nothing, hollowfox3, it's just that we know exactly who we're dealing with...
Now, we have actually managed to exert a bit of pressure on them over the last few months, which gives me some hope that if we stick together, we might actually win something... however, that requires absolute unity among us, and I can't say for certain if we've reached that level of solidarity yet. Then again, there are enough of us at this point who feel like we have nothing left to lose, so perhaps we might actually pull it off...

So, you're telling me there’s absolutely zero paper trail from A to 6000? Let’s actually break this down...

Lawrence Reed3 said:History has shown us plenty of times where situations like this ended in full-blown revolution...
It's pretty wild how the actual legitimate government wants to ease up on the restrictions, but the shadow group pulling the strings—who doesn't even represent the people—refuses to budge. And let's be honest, everyone knows these mandates are more about politics than actual epidemiology at this point. It felt like they just had to shut something down to look "responsible" to Europe, so they went after the easy targets—like restaurants or gyms—things that won't break the federal budget. Maybe, just maybe, politics will actually play a role here for once and they'll finally let things reopen.

The whole headquarters was assembled by an administration made up of people who are supposedly holding top-tier expert positions, but then it turns out that every single one of them is just a member of the Republican Party, likely appointed because they fell in line politically rather than through merit. I mean, we've seen it happen more than once where they abandon their own professional expertise just to serve political interests. In my view, this is all just a calculated move ahead of the upcoming local elections; they want to project this image of being "open" and reasonable, while simultaneously claiming their hands are tied by these supposed experts.

Drew Johnson2 said:The fines leveled against small business owners here are absolutely astronomical and completely out of proportion with what we actually bring in... it's just nonsensical.
I suppose the excuse is that they don't want to penalize everyone at once, but honestly, once you’ve been targeted by the heavy hand of a state inspector during peak season, you stop being surprised by their tactics...
It’s practically an ultimatum right at your doorstep: do you want to settle for $6,000 right now, or should we start digging around until we find enough to charge you $50,000?
Because of that, I really don't see the point in trying to compare our regulatory enforcement—and I mean the inspectors, not the police—with how things work in other countries...

It isn't that we're afraid of nothing, hollowfox3, it's just that we know exactly who we're dealing with...
Now, we have actually managed to exert a bit of pressure on them over the last few months, which gives me some hope that if we stick together, we might actually win something... however, that requires absolute unity among us, and I can't say for certain if we've reached that level of solidarity yet. Then again, there are enough of us at this point who feel like we have nothing left to lose, so perhaps we might actually pull it off...

The real issue here is that people are actually crazy enough to strip everything bare. They’d go through with it even if it meant everyone ended up out on the streets, because they know that once the dust settles, most of us won't say a damn word anyway. It’s the same old story—everyone just retreats into their own little bubbles and stays on their own side.

hollowfox3 said:So, you're telling me there’s absolutely zero paper trail from A to 6000? Let’s actually break this down...

That’s actually a great question. Honestly, I’d love to see the financial disclosures for all those inspectors just to see where the money is coming from. Also, isn't there supposed to be some kind of grace period in our laws? Like, shouldn't you get a window to fix a violation before they start throwing fines at you? It feels like these inspectors act like they own the place because nobody ever calls them out. If people actually started leaking these extortion attempts to the press instead of just staying quiet, they wouldn't be able to pull this crap anymore. Staying silent only helps them stay under the radar.

hollowfox3 said:So, you're telling me there’s absolutely zero paper trail from A to 6000? Let’s actually break this down...

$2.00 It’s practically mandatory if you don't want to play games with them. For instance, imagine finding an old sticker that’s been redesigned—they’ll catch you on that instantly. If you tell them you aren't paying the $6,000 right then and there, they start digging for more...
I remember one time I ended up shelling out $6,000 because my "No Underage Drinking" sign was outdated; apparently, the wording had changed to specifically include both serving and consumption, and I hadn't updated it yet...
Mind you, I wasn't even serving alcohol at that establishment...
On the very day a new regulation regarding how consumers file complaints went into effect, they showed up to check if we had the right signage. About ten of my colleagues ended up paying $6,000 each, though I managed to print and post mine just in time after they gave us a heads-up...
The bottom line is, you can't negotiate with these people: they tell you "you need this displayed starting today," and instead of saying "give us a day to get it done," they basically demand the $6,000 on the spot...

There was another occasion where I refused to pay a $12,000 fine simply because my espresso machine was being repaired; it broke down, you see, and I was waiting two days for a replacement to be delivered. Since I run a restaurant, it shouldn't have been a catastrophe—those two days wouldn't have killed us if we just served people coffee at the bar after dinner...
But, well, the inspector shows up and asks, "Where's your machine?" and I explain it's under repair. I tell him, "That's not fair, if coffee is on the menu, you must have a machine," and I even show him the receipt proving it's being fixed and a replacement is coming. He didn't care for my excuses...
Back then, since I was in a partnership, it would have cost $6,000 for each partner...
I fought it in small claims court, and I actually won...
To make matters worse, when I told him I wouldn't settle the ticket immediately and wanted a formal hearing so a judge could decide the matter, he actually threatened me, claiming I'd end up paying the judge $60,000...
So, honestly, I am not surprised by people who live in fear of these penalties; they spend their entire careers constantly intimidating us... it's practically part of their job description...

Drew Johnson2 said:$2.00 It’s practically mandatory if you don't want to play games with them. For instance, imagine finding an old sticker that’s been redesigned—they’ll catch you on that instantly. If you tell them you aren't paying the $6,000 right then and there, they start digging for more...
I remember one time I ended up shelling out $6,000 because my "No Underage Drinking" sign was outdated; apparently, the wording had changed to specifically include both serving and consumption, and I hadn't updated it yet...
Mind you, I wasn't even serving alcohol at that establishment...
On the very day a new regulation regarding how consumers file complaints went into effect, they showed up to check if we had the right signage. About ten of my colleagues ended up paying $6,000 each, though I managed to print and post mine just in time after they gave us a heads-up...
The bottom line is, you can't negotiate with these people: they tell you "you need this displayed starting today," and instead of saying "give us a day to get it done," they basically demand the $6,000 on the spot...

There was another occasion where I refused to pay a $12,000 fine simply because my espresso machine was being repaired; it broke down, you see, and I was waiting two days for a replacement to be delivered. Since I run a restaurant, it shouldn't have been a catastrophe—those two days wouldn't have killed us if we just served people coffee at the bar after dinner...
But, well, the inspector shows up and asks, "Where's your machine?" and I explain it's under repair. I tell him, "That's not fair, if coffee is on the menu, you must have a machine," and I even show him the receipt proving it's being fixed and a replacement is coming. He didn't care for my excuses...
Back then, since I was in a partnership, it would have cost $6,000 for each partner...
I fought it in small claims court, and I actually won...
To make matters worse, when I told him I wouldn't settle the ticket immediately and wanted a formal hearing so a judge could decide the matter, he actually threatened me, claiming I'd end up paying the judge $60,000...
So, honestly, I am not surprised by people who live in fear of these penalties; they spend their entire careers constantly intimidating us... it's practically part of their job description...

Honestly, saying it like that is basically calling it bribery to avoid getting screwed over, and that really should be reported. Of course, it's tough because there's nowhere to go here, but hey, if nothing else, you can go to the media.

Sure, it's hard to keep up with every single law and regulation, especially if you're just someone trying to do their job. But why not get together with a few other business owners in the same industry and hire a legal consultant? You could pay a monthly retainer to have someone track the laws and give you advice. There might not be a specific service for that in the States, but I doubt it, given all the legal loopholes big corporations use to stay untouchable.

And see? It's possible. They bank on people being scared of those penalties, but it wouldn't hurt if more people actually studied the regulations for their industry. That way, they'd know their rights instead of having some extortionist knocking on their door every month.

LEAKED EMAILS
A German minister reportedly pressured scientists to manufacture worst-case scenarios just to justify lockdowns
The researchers complied with ease, even offering specific strategies to ensure "public fear and obedience."

It is clear that our own American scientists were far from idle, particularly those working under German influence.

Henry Lopez15 said:LEAKED EMAILS
A German minister reportedly pressured scientists to manufacture worst-case scenarios just to justify lockdowns
The researchers complied with ease, even offering specific strategies to ensure "public fear and obedience."

It is clear that our own American scientists were far from idle, particularly those working under German influence.

So, all that talk about scientists being paid to spread fear? I guess it might actually be true... hmm. It all kind of reminds me of one infamous, mustache-twirling villain from the early 1900s...