Should we bring back lockdowns?

Gary Cooper3 said:Look, I’m not necessarily against these measures—nor am I against the deployment of the military—but I really hope that once this is over, there isn't some grand plan to return to "normalcy" across the entire US without any more of these ridiculous cycles of lockdowns, semi-lockdowns, and similar nonsense.

On a broader scale, though, I am genuinely curious about where the people who support these restrictions draw the line... what would they consider "too much," if such a thing even exists.

Just as a quick reminder: that much-discussed Chinese lockdown was actually milder—even in Wuhan—than what happened in places like Spain or France, where for a while there, you practically weren't allowed to breathe the street air without permission. And outside of Wuhan? I'm not even sure if anyone was ever truly shut in, despite how many folks from Wuhan were being shipped out everywhere.

What the Chinese did—which hasn't been implemented here in the US yet—was essentially trapping people with positive tests inside their own four walls, with absolutely no way out.
Would you all actually support something like that?

In Wuhan, measures were announced at 2:00 PM and were already in full effect by 10:00 AM that same day.
Public transit stopped entirely, and even highways were partially closed. You didn't leave the city without official authorization.

That all happened just two days before their New Year.

From February 13 to March 10, factories and non-essential manufacturing across the entire Hubei province were shuttered.
Hubei has a population of 57 million.

Wuhan faced 60 days of strict lockdown followed by 10 days of a "light" version, though public transit remained restricted.

Did we see anything remotely like that in the US or Europe?

I personally know someone who was just outside that province; they said temperature checks were happening 8 to 10 times a day everywhere you went. Other restrictions were basically the same as what we're dealing with here. Only grocery stores and takeout spots stayed open.
But if you failed a temperature check, they hauled you home and sent people to check on you once or twice a day to make sure you stayed put.

Think about it: temperature checks for public transit, temperature checks for the grocery store, temperature checks just to enter your own apartment building, temperature checks at your workplace. It was constant.

Amy Long5 said:New Zealand had 60 days, and look at them now—summer is here, festivals are happening, everything is open. Masks are still required, though.

They were Corona-free for 102 days.

It’s easy when you're an island "at the end of the world."

Before you even step foot in New Zealand, you need confirmation that you have a spot in a government quarantine facility for a mandatory 14-day stint. If you don't, the airlines aren't allowed to fly you in.

https://www.miq.govt.nz/travel-to-ne...ged-isolation/

Entry for non-citizens or those without residency is still strictly limited to extreme exceptions.

The kind of measures that are basically impossible to pull off in Europe.

And honestly, I have to admit, New Zealand serves as a solid example for me. It’s a far cry from somewhere like Australia, which is running a massive circus over there with constant lockdowns popping up every other week.

Europe is just wandering aimlessly—from my perspective, the worst part from the beginning was this inconsistent application of incidence rates between different countries. The EU should have acted as a single unified entity, being as strict as possible. If they had, then our approach—that 40-day lockdown and then being done with it—might actually have made sense.

As it stands, one group does one thing, another does something else, and in the end, the ones with the most draconian restrictions will likely see the highest death tolls, while everyone else ends up at roughly the same level anyway. Total circus.

Gary Cooper3 said:And honestly, I have to admit, New Zealand serves as a solid example for me. It’s a far cry from somewhere like Australia, which is running a massive circus over there with constant lockdowns popping up every other week.

Europe is just wandering aimlessly—from my perspective, the worst part from the beginning was this inconsistent application of incidence rates between different countries. The EU should have acted as a single unified entity, being as strict as possible. If they had, then our approach—that 40-day lockdown and then being done with it—might actually have made sense.

As it stands, one group does one thing, another does something else, and in the end, the ones with the most draconian restrictions will likely see the highest death tolls, while everyone else ends up at roughly the same level anyway. Total circus.

Like I said, they are an island. For the EU, that would mean implementing unified measures and one massive, heavy lockdown—and we all know that isn't going to happen.

And then there's the idea of the EU enforcing a universal quarantine for anyone entering the bloc. Yeah, we won't be seeing that either.

The facts speak for themselves: New Zealand has 25 deaths and a population 20% larger than America's.

Kyle Nelson2 said:A forty-day lockdown for basically everything, and then just going right back to business as usual.
Everything else is just playing games with people's nerves and the economy, I guess.

The only outcome would be a total economic meltdown—which, let's face it, usually leads straight to war.

Gary Cooper3 said:Look, I’m not necessarily against these measures—nor am I against the deployment of the military—but I really hope that once this is over, there isn't some grand plan to return to "normalcy" across the entire US without any more of these ridiculous cycles of lockdowns, semi-lockdowns, and similar nonsense.

On a broader scale, though, I am genuinely curious about where the people who support these restrictions draw the line... what would they consider "too much," if such a thing even exists.

Just as a quick reminder: that much-discussed Chinese lockdown was actually milder—even in Wuhan—than what happened in places like Spain or France, where for a while there, you practically weren't allowed to breathe the street air without permission. And outside of Wuhan? I'm not even sure if anyone was ever truly shut in, despite how many folks from Wuhan were being shipped out everywhere.

What the Chinese did—which hasn't been implemented here in the US yet—was essentially trapping people with positive tests inside their own four walls, with absolutely no way out.
Would you all actually support something like that?

Sure, because the virus will just magically vanish after 40 days, right? Yeah, sure... 🤣

I wouldn't support stripping away freedoms and civil rights at the cost of our lives. I don't give a damn. Even if cholera, typhus, and the plague all showed up at once, I wouldn't trade my rights for this Covid stupidity.

Look, he didn't just vanish into thin air in Australia after three months, so what exactly are we even talking about here?

A lockdown only stops the spread of the virus while it's actually in effect. Once you lift the restrictions—if we haven't reached sufficient immunity levels through infection or vaccination—the whole cycle just starts all over again.
In an epidemiological sense, I suppose a lockdown is only truly necessary when the healthcare system is being overwhelmed and there's a real risk of total collapse. That simply wasn't the case here.

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mellowskipper said:A lockdown only stops the spread of the virus while it's actually in effect. Once you lift the restrictions—if we haven't reached sufficient immunity levels through infection or vaccination—the whole cycle just starts all over again.
In an epidemiological sense, I suppose a lockdown is only truly necessary when the healthcare system is being overwhelmed and there's a real risk of total collapse. That simply wasn't the case here.

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Totally agree.. but then again, the numbers were climbing and politicians had to look like they were doing something—like someone said, it's just political theater. It would've been way better if they'd just set some reasonable rules back in the fall that actually worked without being so extreme (like capping capacity at cafes, restaurants, or gyms, etc..)

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The lockdown was a perfectly valid solution... it was just implemented far too late. However, we really need to cultivate public awareness, assuming that’s even possible given the current state of the President and the Government.
Then there is the primary issue of how and where these hotspots actually emerge.
Until then, I suppose you should just stick to brushing your teeth...

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Jesse Hughes6 said:Look, he didn't just vanish into thin air in Australia after three months, so what exactly are we even talking about here?

You seem to have overlooked the fact that it's still spreading; there are always new infections...
If you can manage to isolate those cases within a three-week window, you aren't dealing with a massive number. You simply pinpoint the hotspots, contain them, and life can resume. The lifespan of a virus is quite limited...

Besides, things will likely stabilize in about two weeks... at least until the next variant, say Covid 3, shows up...

Then some tourist wanders in, tosses a tennis ball your way, and suddenly you're right back at square one.

The Brits have started screaming that their lockdown isn't doing squat. Imagine the chaos if they just threw in the towel and said, "screw it, let's go."

We need to find a model that doesn't completely wreck society. Right now, it looks like the Swedish and Canadian approaches are leading the pack. Because honestly, at the end of the day, everyone's going to end up with some excess mortality somewhere. The only real question is how long they can stretch that out.

Just shut everything down already, for God's sake!!

Why? Oh, I don't know, because Djikic said so, and he’s clearly the ultimate authority, right? I mean, Angela Merkel knows just as much as that guy from the UK who’s obsessed with firecrackers.

Speaking of Djikic, where did he disappear to? I’m really missing his expert appeals on Index coming all the way from Germany. I hope nothing happened to him. Without him, I'm totally lost—I have no idea what to do or how to function, especially since everything around me is just Covid. Just to be safe, I won't even step out of my private nuclear bunker until we get some new instructions from Djikic.

And this charlatan Radman is obviously a fifth columnist on that government advisory board, a total internal enemy. You really have to deal with people like that most severely and push them to the fringes. The guy is clearly working against the whole of humanity, and specifically against the American people!

mellowskipper said:A lockdown only stops the spread of the virus while it's actually in effect. Once you lift the restrictions—if we haven't reached sufficient immunity levels through infection or vaccination—the whole cycle just starts all over again.
In an epidemiological sense, I suppose a lockdown is only truly necessary when the healthcare system is being overwhelmed and there's a real risk of total collapse. That simply wasn't the case here.

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Exactly. That's why it feels so counterintuitive to close down schools right when hospitalizations are finally starting to trend downward.

Prime Minister Andrej Plenković and his economic ministers are apparently looking to start phased reopenings across America once the current restrictive mandates expire on January 31st.

But I guess FEMA and the epidemiologists aren't quite ready to flip the switch yet, as they're pushing to extend these restrictions for another month or maybe two.

Government officials are telling us that any gradual easing would likely focus on getting all students back into school, allowing recreational sports to resume, and reopening gyms and fitness centers—provided they follow strict protocols, of course; meanwhile, they'll be sitting down with health experts, FEMA, and restaurant owners to hash out whether outdoor patios can finally reopen.

We’ll probably have to wait to see what comes out of the European Council meeting, which was called specifically because of this new strain, and that's where the real decisions will likely happen, according to a source at headquarters.

It just keeps going on in this incredibly confused tone:
😵 😵 😵

It isn't confusing at all; we're just waiting on a word from Angela Merkel.

A ruling from the Federal District Court.
The lockdowns were a complete political disaster...

Federal District Court, judgment of January 11th, 2021, Case No. 6 OWi - 523 Js 202518/20
https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploa...-202518-20.pdf

Court confirms catastrophic failure of politics Reiner Fuellmich US District Court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hFd...=Annie and Martin

Things are slowly moving toward actual court rulings—local ones, at least—but progress is being made.
Or will we reach a "new normal" where laws and verdicts simply don't matter if they don't fit the official narrative?

Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

Linda Lee4 said:Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

Who's claiming it breaks the rules? 🤔

Linda Lee4 said:Just a quick question for the survivalist crowd here. If having a little bit of bourbon and some whiskey is fine, does that really violate any safety protocols? I mean, if people can hang out in a crowded hospital during a pandemic, surely we can manage a few drinks without breaking the world. ☕

It’s certainly not okay for some irresponsible person on vacation, but for medical professionals, shouldn't there be some leeway, especially since they're being run ragged by reckless Americans who refuse to wear their masks properly, so maybe it’s only fair they get a moment to breathe before heading back into the fray against the unhygienic masses and the terrible plague of the 21st century?

jademoose6 said:A ruling from the Federal District Court.
The lockdowns were a complete political disaster...

Federal District Court, judgment of January 11th, 2021, Case No. 6 OWi - 523 Js 202518/20
https://2020news.de/wp-content/uploa...-202518-20.pdf

Court confirms catastrophic failure of politics Reiner Fuellmich US District Court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hFd...=Annie and Martin

Things are slowly moving toward actual court rulings—local ones, at least—but progress is being made.
Or will we reach a "new normal" where laws and verdicts simply don't matter if they don't fit the official narrative?

Great guy.

He managed to scrape together $800 from 1,400 fools just to sue a virologist in America.

Now he’s launched lawsuits against all sorts of people who have nothing to do with it...

Here is some info on



Name is destiny!
Fuellmich translates to "fill me up"—I hope you already sent your $800.