Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Jack Cook7 said:So, members of the Democratic Party can just go wherever they want?

Man, what was I even saying two days ago?

I’d say yeah... I was on the phone yesterday with someone who is "similar" to them, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion myself. Okay, they didn't explicitly admit it to me, but I know how to read—or rather, listen—between the lines.🤔
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Besides that, talking to folks in other towns, I’ve found out that in situations just like mine, people there actually manage to get their permits.

And we see it happening further north, too. A guy was actually able to get a permit just to go check on his property in another city.

But I'll say it again—for some reason, I just can't get mine!

Joseph Taylor11 said:I’d say yeah... I was on the phone yesterday with someone who is "similar" to them, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion myself. Okay, they didn't explicitly admit it to me, but I know how to read—or rather, listen—between the lines.🤔
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Besides that, talking to folks in other towns, I’ve found out that in situations just like mine, people there actually manage to get their permits.

And we see it happening further north, too. A guy was actually able to get a permit just to go check on his property in another city.

But I'll say it again—for some reason, I just can't get mine!

Yeah, honestly, it all comes down to whether the person handing out the permits has any common sense. But when someone gets stubborn and decides to follow the law strictly by the book, you can bet your life that a Democratic Party membership card will make everything move along perfectly. And soon enough, I bet a little blue envelope will start working wonders for everyone else, too.

Typical American scams.

dustymarlin10 said:The truth hurts, I get it.
In a sane society, people would actually weigh the benefits against the damage being done.

Like I said. Lucky you aren't in power.

In any sane nation, people aren't treated—and I mean treated, not just viewed—as some kind of burden just because of their age group...

Ryan Lee35 said:But what happens when there isn't actually any production happening to turn those fancy little theories of yours into anything tangible—like what we're seeing right now—and yet the paychecks still need to clear? Is it suddenly not your fault that the actual, productive side of the economy has completely vanished into thin air?

And how exactly would that be our fault?

Production isn't going anywhere. The whole point of science is that you're constantly working, improving, and pushing forward without stopping... even if papers and patents sit in a drawer for a while until someone actually figures out how to monetize them.

Jose Scott3 said:And how exactly would that be our fault?

Production isn't going anywhere. The whole point of science is that you're constantly working, improving, and pushing forward without stopping... even if papers and patents sit in a drawer for a while until someone actually figures out how to monetize them.

Sorry, but I gotta ask you to clarify one thing here.

Look, I'm funding you through my taxes, right? And you produce some research. But if absolutely nobody in America can actually use that work because there's no one here to turn it into something real—meaning some foreign company just swoops in, grabs the tech, and cashes in on it instead—then what's the deal?

What's the actual benefit to me for paying for it? What's the benefit to society as a whole?

Rebecca Peterson94 said:I just did a quick Google search, and honestly, nobody else is saying this except for that one Chief.

But the news outlets are already running with it...

Even 24sata picked up this story today about the $30 fine $0.00 if you don't have a pass.

As for those breaking the self-isolation rules—it's $8 $0.00 (for the first offense).

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Joseph Taylor11 said:But the news outlets are already running with it...

Even 24sata picked up this story today about the $30 fine $0.00 if you don't have a pass.

As for those breaking the self-isolation rules—it's $8 $0.00 (for the first offense).

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Where is the actual DECISION that mentions a fine of $10?

If there isn't an official document, then we're looking at straight-up disinformation. That's actually illegal.

Does that decision even exist? If not, is Ladislav Bace, the Chief of the Osijek Police Department, going to be held criminally liable for spreading fake news and causing public panic?

Jack Cook7 said:Where is the actual DECISION that mentions a fine of $10?

If there isn't an official document, then we're looking at straight-up disinformation. That's actually illegal.

Does that decision even exist? If not, is Ladislav Bace, the Chief of the Osijek Police Department, going to be held criminally liable for spreading fake news and causing public panic?

I haven't been able to track down this decision myself.
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Yet, the media outlets are all over it, reporting it as fact...

That’s why I was asking (over in that other thread ) — when are we actually going to start seeing people held accountable for spreading misinformation?

Joseph Taylor11 said:I haven't been able to track down this decision myself.
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Yet, the media outlets are all over it, reporting it as fact...

That’s why I was asking (over in that other thread ) — when are we actually going to start seeing people held accountable for spreading misinformation?

Let's see if the reporters at today's press conference actually grill Božinović about this. If the info turns out to be fake, they should hold Ladislav Bace accountable for spreading false, panic-inducing news during a crisis. Since he's such a high-ranking official, the punishment ought to be way harsher than what some random civilian would face.

Look, if this "Decision" regarding $10 penalties is legit, then Božinović needs to pull it out right there in front of the cameras and explain why it wasn't officially released through the proper channels. It’s just not right for the Secretary of Homeland Security to be spreading misinformation and stressing everyone out. That would be totally unprofessional. Honestly, it might even be criminal.

Jack Cook7 said:So, members of the Democratic Party can just go wherever they want?

Man, what was I even saying two days ago?

I ended up getting into this whole debate with some self-important little town manager living in the area where my mother-in-law stays—which, by the way, is 3.1 miles nowhere near me.
They claim to be old-money types with half the town to their name, but thirty years ago, they were basically the poorest, laziest folks in the entire county.
Btw, I finally drove through with my work permit today.
From Cleveland to Columbus took exactly 7.5 miles, and I had to pass through three different jurisdictions.
Seriously, who designed this madness...

Jack Cook7 said:Sorry, but I gotta ask you to clarify one thing here.

Look, I'm funding you through my taxes, right? And you produce some research. But if absolutely nobody in America can actually use that work because there's no one here to turn it into something real—meaning some foreign company just swoops in, grabs the tech, and cashes in on it instead—then what's the deal?

What's the actual benefit to me for paying for it? What's the benefit to society as a whole?

Just let him be, he's clearly tripping.
I guess they gave him his talking points at the Democratic Party meeting this morning or something.

Btw, you notice he's posting during business hours?

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stormybadger8 said:Whatever helps you sleep at night...
In our smaller towns, even when families live together, they usually stay somewhat separate—like the seniors on the ground floor and the kids upstairs or in an outbuilding. Plus, most of the young people here have their own apartments or houses because they could actually afford it, at least the folks living near Washington, D.C...
Since the young professionals mostly work in Washington, D.C., they pull in decent salaries, and real estate prices out here are a fraction of what they are in the capital.

But on the flip side, in Washington, D.C. and other major metros where property prices are absolutely insane, you’ve got grandmas, grandpas, seniors, kids, and toddlers all crammed into some 600-square-foot apartment...
And there are tons of places like that. It doesn't matter if it's a tiny studio or a slightly larger place; everyone is still packed in tight, and the chances of them not passing the virus around are basically zero...

By your logic, everyone over 60 in Washington, D.C.—and probably most people in their 30s and 40s too—is just gonna drop dead within a few months.

You simply can't convince children, especially little ones, to stop wandering into places they visit every single day—especially if the elders just shrug and say, "It's all in God's hands" and let them go. It's a different story elsewhere, though. Take that building near the Botanical Garden... Una Radić (37) is actually the youngest resident in that damaged apartment complex in downtown Washington, D.C. Every other neighbor is over 65 "Link. When people only communicate via phone, the social distance becomes much more significant.

By your logic, everyone over 60 in NYC is probably going to drop dead within a few months, along with most people in their 30s or 40s too...

They won't catch anything if they just stay quarantined until a vaccine is produced or until there aren't any infectious people left nearby. Or, alternatively, if they implement some kind of microchip tracking for those who have recovered, so we can actually monitor who is allowed to travel and trade.

Olivia Williams2 said:Are you from Washington, D.C. or somewhere nearby?
Just take some Rivotril and put on a movie, then maybe we can actually hang out.. 😛

I honestly don't get why people from the city are constantly glued to Facebook. I guess some of you actually have jobs to do, but me? I just crawled out of bed because I was bored out of my mind. Our county is such a mess that even Corona didn't bother showing up here. What a joke.

Joseph Taylor11 said:I could sign off on this word for word.
I actually had a complete meltdown myself just a little while ago—the second I heard that guy on ABC using his most dramatic "breaking news" voice to claim a third person had died from COVID.
The person died because they were an oncology patient; any virus would have finished them off.

For God's sake—can people please realize that old and sick people pass away every single day!!

Then I turn on the TV and listen to this idiot on ABC—she's interviewing some guy (a nutritionist?) who's giving out dietary advice.

Like, where am I supposed to buy that stuff? In the two tiny shops I'm actually allowed to visit in this middle-of-nowhere town? They probably don't even carry fresh produce or meat! I don't know—I haven't been there in ages, I can't quite remember.
It's 3.7 miles away from those stores, and it's 6.2 miles away from a Lidl, Walmart, or KTC (where you can actually find something edible), but I'm not allowed to go there.

And yeah—there are people who made this kind of decision, and then there are people who, in my case, won't even give me a hall pass to get to a decent grocery store to buy food. And yet, just the other day, they were telling us not to stockpile supplies.

So now I'm going to go register on Facebook. There are politicians over there I can actually message—maybe someone will actually listen.
Because if they don't, I'm going to lose my mind, have a mental breakdown, and then I really won't be able to vouch for my own behavior.

I'm with you.

I don't know if I've already made this clear—I'm pretty sure I have—but let me say it one more time: I don't care about being bored. It’s not a problem for me that I can't hang out with anyone... I don't mind missing out on coffee dates or trips to the hair salon. Honestly, I could sit at home for another month if that's what it takes.

But I do want the ability to at least pop into the nearby grocery store to grab some bread every other day, and I need to be able to hit up a larger supermarket once a week to stock up on essentials—you know, things like fresh fruit, veggies, and meat at the kind of places I've always shopped, all at normal, reasonable prices.

For crying out loud—is that really so hard to wrap your head around?!

And while we're talking about money:
Everything at the local corner store is marked up by 30-50%.
So, how long am I expected to keep shopping like this? Two weeks? Two months?

And nobody seems to see the issue here? 🤦

Olivia Williams2 said:Are you from Washington, D.C. or somewhere nearby?
Just take some Rivotril and put on a movie, then maybe we can actually hang out.. 😛

Honestly, I have no clue what that even is.

If I lived in any major city, I wouldn't even be bothering to post on this thread.🤦

Joseph Taylor11 said:If I lived in any major city, I wouldn't even be bothering to post on this thread.🤦

Look, you’ve got that one privilege we don't really have in the big cities like NYC: you can actually grow your own food. Use the resources you've got. Complaining isn't going to change anything.

placidfalcon said:Look, you’ve got that one privilege we don't really have in the big cities like NYC: you can actually grow your own food. Use the resources you've got. Complaining isn't going to change anything.

Well, I suppose even living in an apartment, you probably have some kind of "Floki" hanging around somewhere, don't you?

placidfalcon said:Look, you’ve got that one privilege we don't really have in the big cities like NYC: you can actually grow your own food. Use the resources you've got. Complaining isn't going to change anything.

And who says I'm not growing food?
I grow stuff right here in the city too.
Just for the record, though, it's March, so it's not like the garden is exactly overflowing right now...