Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

alh84001 said:That 'woman from New York City' probably just escaped some tiny rural town and now she's clearly struggling to deal with her own issues.

On which side, though? I was driving through the countryside today, all the way out to that small town, and there was only one checkpoint right at the end. Then I hopped on the expressway toward that other small town and then over to the next small town, and honestly, the roads were totally empty. Usually, I cut off earlier near Nexans, but I have no clue if there’s even anyone waiting there anymore. 🙂

It looks like all the towns and municipalities under that local political party made some kind of backroom deal, because on the stretch between that small town and the next small town, I didn't see a single soul in control. 👍

Up until we hit where person lives, it was a ghost town. They used to be stationed near person, but today? Nothing.

Casey Flores said:Look, buddy, I genuinely believe you work in the public sector and aren't just some cushy bureaucrat—and I mean that sincerely, no sarcasm intended... The real issue is the people who actually do nothing, and honestly, they make up 80%, if not more, of the government workforce. But you’re part of the problem too, though I’ll get to why that is in a bit... You're wasting your breath, Zuce, venting to the wrong crowd. There's no point trying to justify yourselves on a forum like Reddit to the private sector folks who are currently looking to trim the fat... You should be taking this straight to all those deadwood employees in the public sector, starting with your own boss. But you won't do that, because deep down, you're just too much of a conformist...

Oh, really? At this rate, I might actually start rooting for a Government that uses repressive tactics against its own people just because you think we should blame the entire public sector for a crisis they didn't even cause...

The worst part is, those same political parties that have been wrecking this country for the last 25 years make me sick—I've never voted for them—but these mindless attempts to lynch the private sector almost make me want to support them just out of spite.

Casey Flores said:Look, buddy, I genuinely believe you work in the public sector and aren't just some cushy bureaucrat—and I mean that sincerely, no sarcasm intended... The real issue is the people who actually do nothing, and honestly, they make up 80%, if not more, of the government workforce. But you’re part of the problem too, though I’ll get to why that is in a bit... You're wasting your breath, Zuce, venting to the wrong crowd. There's no point trying to justify yourselves on a forum like Reddit to the private sector folks who are currently looking to trim the fat... You should be taking this straight to all those deadwood employees in the public sector, starting with your own boss. But you won't do that, because deep down, you're just too much of a conformist...

No, I won't do that because I can't even find a job in my field in the private sector since there's zero actual work left in this wasteland. Real countries have massive R&D in the private sector, but here, they gutted the whole industry back in the early 90s...

Jack Cook7 said:Sorry, but I gotta ask you to clarify one thing here.

Look, I'm funding you through my taxes, right? And you produce some research. But if absolutely nobody in America can actually use that work because there's no one here to turn it into something real—meaning some foreign company just swoops in, grabs the tech, and cashes in on it instead—then what's the deal?

What's the actual benefit to me for paying for it? What's the benefit to society as a whole?

Actually, they do. Stuff coming out of Ferrero, the FBI, the local organization, Allstate, the agronomist, or the College of Science... it gets used by domestic companies, everything from tiny startups to huge corporations. A ton of our innovations end up in manufacturing, farming, and service sectors, it just isn't flashy like the stuff the Japanese or Americans roll out, so it doesn't grab headlines. The fact that our market is small, that it takes forever for things to break through, or that industry hasn't even caught wind of certain tech—even stuff that would make them bank—isn't on us. I wish it were different... but it's frustrating, for sure.

dustymarlin10 said:Just let him be, he's clearly tripping.
I guess they gave him his talking points at the Democratic Party meeting this morning or something.

Btw, you notice he's posting during business hours?

🍿

Obviously. The whole public sector is basically just one big endless party meeting, right?

Regarding that other thing: self-isolation, week two. I wish it wasn't...

Jose Scott3 said:Oh, really? At this rate, I might actually start rooting for a Government that uses repressive tactics against its own people just because you think we should blame the entire public sector for a crisis they didn't even cause...

The worst part is, those same political parties that have been wrecking this country for the last 25 years make me sick—I've never voted for them—but these mindless attempts to lynch the private sector almost make me want to support them just out of spite.

No, I won't do that because I can't even find a job in my field in the private sector since there's zero actual work left in this wasteland. Real countries have massive R&D in the private sector, but here, they gutted the whole industry back in the early 90s...

Look, in my own city alone—which only has about 50k people—I can name five or six companies doing R&D, including my own...

Plus, I could list a whole bunch of colleagues and friends from the FBI who jumped ship for massive pay raises in the private sector compared to what they made at the FBI... but let's just say the rules in the private sector are a little different than working for the Bureau...

As for those permits, personally, I think it's insane that the fine is $45,000 if you get caught without one, but only $12,000 if you're just breaking self-isolation...

So, what’s your take on how long this restriction is going to stick around? When do you think we might actually see intercity buses back in action again? I'm thinking maybe if everyone just wears masks or if they limit the capacity per bus...

Surely it won't stay suspended for months on end, right? Does anyone have any inside scoop? Is there any truth to the rumor that things might stay this way until the end of April?

Casey Flores said:Look, buddy, I genuinely believe you work in the public sector and aren't just some cushy bureaucrat—and I mean that sincerely, no sarcasm intended... The real issue is the people who actually do nothing, and honestly, they make up 80%, if not more, of the government workforce. But you’re part of the problem too, though I’ll get to why that is in a bit... You're wasting your breath, Zuce, venting to the wrong crowd. There's no point trying to justify yourselves on a forum like Reddit to the private sector folks who are currently looking to trim the fat... You should be taking this straight to all those deadwood employees in the public sector, starting with your own boss. But you won't do that, because deep down, you're just too much of a conformist...

Game, set, match.
And yeah, he's a sellout too, staying quiet while watching everything fall apart just so he can cling to his tiny little privileges and protect his comfortable, conformist ass.

placidnomad87 said:The real issue here is that local municipalities and city governments hand out passes to their own people without a second thought. If you don't have the right connections within the system, you're expected to be perfectly obedient, while everyone else seems to do whatever they want. Honestly, how can we ever implement a strict quarantine when our entire administrative system is such a complete mess? 😂

In a country where bribery and corruption have become the standard operating procedure, how could they possibly manage to organize even an extraordinary situation like this one?

As long as the politicians can just say, "I'm done asking," it doesn't matter—because those rules certainly don't apply to their relatives.

Exactly.
And once people actually start complaining or questioning things, some local idiot from the civil task force pops up and threatens them with lawsuits.
Just like our guy Avar over in Cleveland.

Besides, the authorities in Cleveland are already famous for suing anyone who disagrees with them, yet they don't feel a shred of shame taking tax dollars from the very people they're targeting.

But hey, what else can you expect from leaders headed by someone who’s dealing with an unappealed criminal conviction, spends his time trashing his own allies, and picks fights on Facebook?

Hopefully, voters will actually know how to hold them accountable at the next election.

Jose Scott3 said:Obviously. The whole public sector is basically just one big endless party meeting, right?

Regarding that other thing: self-isolation, week two. I wish it wasn't...

Regarding that other thing:

I’m out here grinding and risking getting sick just to pay my taxes and contributions so people like you can afford to be in "voluntary self-isolation."

Anyway, regarding the first point—just so I can show off that I know the fancy lingo even though I'm not some government hack:
Yeah, about 99% of the public sector is basically just a party meeting.
It's an open secret that you can't even land a job as a janitor at an elementary school unless you're a member of the ruling party.
So give it a rest.

[person]

quietfox384 said:But then what’s even the point of all these rules if we just let everyone travel wherever they please and spread the virus around?

Look, there’s zero point to this measure. At best, it's just a panicked, moronic reaction to the fact that the totally incompetent Government failed to implement any actual smart preventative steps to stop the spread in the first place.

Because you can't explain the logic behind this to any sane person:
So, they’re sending a massive chunk of potentially infected people into self-isolation. Sure, if they actually bother to follow the rules. But let's be real—they can still wander around shopping malls, head into hospitals for surgeries, and whatnot. And all this happens while the penalties for anyone caught breaking the rules are basically nonexistent or just a joke.
So, here's the deal: once you test positive for the virus, they just send you home to quarantine and try to heal yourself. Apparently, doctors think they can just treat you through a computer screen now. Brilliant. 🙂 And you're still giving them free rein to wander around New York City among a population of a million people. Just look at that whole elderly couple and the gas station incident.
So, here’s the plan: you let everyone roam free in New York City—a massive sprawl with about a million people who could all potentially catch something—and then, while you're at it, you open up huge retail hubs like Home Depot and Sheet Music Plus. You basically invite the whole crowd to rush in as fast as possible to grab construction supplies for repairs, just in case the government decides to lock everything down again tomorrow.
So then these guys are just gonna head out and try to fix roofs and chimneys themselves on buildings that are basically falling apart. We’re talking about structures where even a pro contractor wouldn't know where to start, let alone some random person who has zero clue what they're doing. But hey, sure, why not just climb up on a roof and wing it when you have no idea how anything works?🤦

So then you go and roll out all these rigid regulations, forcing someone living in some tiny, made-up town of 1,000 people—where the only shop is a pathetic little corner store that has absolutely nothing in stock—to drive all the way to the next town over with 10,000 people just to get anything done. Brilliant. 1.9 miles When you're just trying to buy basic groceries and everyday essentials...
So, how exactly are you planning to punish him? You’re talking about slapping him with four times the fine if he breaks that rule—the one where you forbid him from buying food from some guy strolling through a New York City mall, picking up shoes, and handing out free viruses to everyone in the building while he's at it.

I wish it was just about this incompetent Government. Honestly, looking at what they've pulled off so far, it feels like their actual goal is to run some massive experiment—and they’re trying to go in two completely opposite directions at once.
Option A: Infect every single person in New York City just to see how the virus behaves in such a massive crowd.
Option B: Just completely wreck the economy and agriculture everywhere outside of New York City. Drive people absolutely insane and then sit back to see how the mob behaves when things hit the fan.

Two massive things you need to know: never, under any circumstances, try to pull the same stunts the Government is pulling right now.
So you're basically just panic-fixing the fallout of some breakdown without even bothering to think about what actually caused it. You have zero clue why things went south, yet here you are, scrambling to patch up the mess.
You always need a solid diagnosis to find the actual root cause. You gotta kill the problem at the source first, then you can worry about dealing with the fallout.
Anything else is just a massive waste of time and money. Honestly, you usually end up making more damage trying to fix it than if you’d just left it alone.
Classic move. It’s like when a fuse blows at your place, so you "wisely" find some random scrap wire to patch it up—only to make it even thicker than the original.
So, first the spark stops flying everywhere, but then the thing actually starts heating up. Then you've got smoke leaking out from behind some wall or some gadget or whatever, and you’re just standing there looking like a total idiot wondering why you're calling the fire department instead of an electrician.

When it comes to preventative maintenance—trying to stop a breakdown before it actually happens—you obviously swap out the parts you already know are the weak links. It's basic experience.
You aren't going to gut an entire engine just because; that makes zero financial sense. But changing bearings, brushes, or just cleaning and greasing things at regular intervals? That's smart business.

Applying that logic here: it made total sense to close the borders, or at least tighten up entry and put everyone potentially infected into quarantine.
Letting people wander around freely and then panicking and trying to lock everything down after the damage is done is just nonsense.
At this point, it’s too late and the damage is already done—just like my engine example, only the scale here is massive. There's no firefighter coming to save us; the whole house is just going to burn down.

If you already know the water is up to your neck, why bother with "travel permits" at all?
Just declare a full quarantine and call it a day. Instead, we have a tiny quarantine of 1,000 people in a 2km² area, while there's a massive quarantine of 1,000,000 people spread over 1,000km².
And to make it even better, you're making exceptions and letting people drift back and forth between those two zones...
It's absolute madness. It won't have any effect, other than maybe giving you the feeling that you made a "wise" decision that might actually work.

rustyjackal16 said:So, what’s your take on how long this restriction is going to stick around? When do you think we might actually see intercity buses back in action again? I'm thinking maybe if everyone just wears masks or if they limit the capacity per bus...

Surely it won't stay suspended for months on end, right? Does anyone have any inside scoop? Is there any truth to the rumor that things might stay this way until the end of April?

It’s simple: when people get hungry. Once the supplies run dry and these clowns in the Government realize they might be facing some serious backlash, that’s when this whole circus will finally wrap up.

stormybadger8 said:Spot on...
My brother-in-law works for the Police Department, and he loves repeating this mantra like he’s some big shot just because he pays a ton of taxes. 🤦

Look, the joke is that he sees this "transferring nothing into emptiness" happening right on his own paycheck. It says there, right there in black and white—tax is this much, blah blah blah...
It's pretty obvious he isn't thinking much further than that, and honestly, it's not like he’d even bother stressing over it if he did.

On the other hand, us private citizens paying out of our own pockets? We actually give this some thought.
And we just take a massive pile of stuff the public sector handles for granted, acting like it all just magically fell from the sky.

We aren't all that different.
The biggest issue is that politics has successfully pitted us against each other. Now we just spend all our time bickering with one another instead of actually going after the people who are truly responsible.
So, here's the deal: the public sector blames the private sector, the private sector blames the public sector, and everyone's just pointing fingers at veterans and retirees. It’s always the same old story—veterans and seniors getting squeezed by both sides because one side isn't paying enough, the other isn't doing enough, blah blah blah. Same nonsense, different day.
And everyone just stays quiet about these moronic decisions that are collectively screwing with our heads. 🤦

So, here’s the deal for today: how on earth is Čazmatrans going to manage driving police officers, medical staff, and whatever else back and forth between Kutin and D.C.? From one end of town to the other... good luck with that.
Oh, great. Just brilliant. They crammed a whole crowd of people into some ancient, pathetic bus just to get them moving. Typical. 37 miles And I'm coughing one after another...
And then they go and mess with people commuting by bike, on foot, or driving themselves to work between two or three moronic municipalities that are barely a mile apart. 🤦

👍 I agree, which is exactly why I was shouting against these measures—they’re mindless. They apply the same rules to a massive metropolis like New York City as they do to a small town like Zaguz with its 1,500 residents.

And this whole bus transport thing—if it's supposedly better than everyone driving their own cars, then this bus setup isn't any different from the public transit they already canceled, or the plan where they try to squeeze five people into a bus with two feet of space between them. 🤔

Frank Flores63 said:I don't recall ever laughing at you. 🤔

🤣 sometimes, but not here.

Joseph Taylor11 said:There’s a massive difference between being isolated in a tiny little hamlet like Lower Nigdarjev—where you've got one single shop, a post office, and a church to your name—and actually living in a sprawling city that covers hundreds of square miles. It's just not the same thing.

Before we go throwing questions around, maybe we should actually do a little reading first? Just to see if we can find the answer ourselves without bothering anyone.🤔

It’s not even about whether people should have the freedom to go wherever they want and spread whatever they’re carrying. That's not the point.
Read with some actual comprehension.

Honestly, your replies are just nonsense—you’re acting all high and mighty while completely missing how constitutional rights work, whether it's on this thread or anywhere else... either you're a total corporate shill or you genuinely don't get what's happening. If it's the former, I get your stance; if it's the latter, do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Pick up the Constitution—it's a tiny little book, you can finish it in an hour, and you can find it online easily.

Formula 1 👍

Chemo treatments are getting canceled or pushed back because hospitals are falling apart.

Man, this is getting seriously, seriously bad. These daily delays are straight-up slashing patients' chances. And look, trying to transfer someone—especially if they're already admitted—to another hospital is a total nightmare since basically every bed is full anyway, plus doctors can't just zip around the city like they're in a race. We're finally seeing the price tag of having such outdated medical facilities.

In New York City, there are 245 cases out of nearly 600 total, though they aren't saying how many are new. NYC is clearly the massive epicenter here. On top of that, we’re about to see the fallout from everyone fleeing the city after that earthquake last Sunday; things are probably going to blow up in the next two days.

Well, at least they reopened those little market stalls. Though, I honestly don't see how the veggie stands are supposed to make it work—unless they just turn all the booths toward the wall, but then people would just be rummaging through the produce; which, let's face it, is what they do in grocery stores anyway. Maybe the market should just provide plastic gloves for every stall?

The real issue is that the Government is slapping the exact same rules on New York City and the rest of the country. For NYC, the measures aren't even enough, but for most of the US, they're way too much—actually, way overkill. Aside from a few bigger hotspots—San Francisco, San Diego, Miami, Charleston, and for some reason that one state (?)—everything else is mostly quiet. It’s obvious NYC needs tougher restrictions while letting everyone else breathe. It makes zero sense that you can travel from a neighborhood like Podsused to a suburb like Sesvete without an issue—that's like 700,000 people right there—but moving from one tiny town of 1,000 people to another is treated like it's impossible. To make matters worse, because of the earthquake, New Yorkers have scattered everywhere, and now who's going to get them back in one place? This couldn't have happened at a worse time. Maybe New Yorkers should just self-isolate whenever they cross state lines? Because they were the main carriers, and now they've spread across the whole country, so everything could start spiking everywhere by Monday.

On the flip side, if they start locking down specific neighborhoods in NYC, it's going to be absolute chaos, and that would end really, really badly. Cutting back on public transit is only making things worse because everyone ends up cramming into the few buses that are actually running.

Jack Cook7 said:Chemo treatments are getting canceled or pushed back because hospitals are falling apart.

Man, this is getting seriously, seriously bad. These daily delays are straight-up slashing patients' chances. And look, trying to transfer someone—especially if they're already admitted—to another hospital is a total nightmare since basically every bed is full anyway, plus doctors can't just zip around the city like they're in a race. We're finally seeing the price tag of having such outdated medical facilities.

In New York City, there are 245 cases out of nearly 600 total, though they aren't saying how many are new. NYC is clearly the massive epicenter here. On top of that, we’re about to see the fallout from everyone fleeing the city after that earthquake last Sunday; things are probably going to blow up in the next two days.

Well, at least they reopened those little market stalls. Though, I honestly don't see how the veggie stands are supposed to make it work—unless they just turn all the booths toward the wall, but then people would just be rummaging through the produce; which, let's face it, is what they do in grocery stores anyway. Maybe the market should just provide plastic gloves for every stall?

The real issue is that the Government is slapping the exact same rules on New York City and the rest of the country. For NYC, the measures aren't even enough, but for most of the US, they're way too much—actually, way overkill. Aside from a few bigger hotspots—San Francisco, San Diego, Miami, Charleston, and for some reason that one state (?)—everything else is mostly quiet. It’s obvious NYC needs tougher restrictions while letting everyone else breathe. It makes zero sense that you can travel from a neighborhood like Podsused to a suburb like Sesvete without an issue—that's like 700,000 people right there—but moving from one tiny town of 1,000 people to another is treated like it's impossible. To make matters worse, because of the earthquake, New Yorkers have scattered everywhere, and now who's going to get them back in one place? This couldn't have happened at a worse time. Maybe New Yorkers should just self-isolate whenever they cross state lines? Because they were the main carriers, and now they've spread across the whole country, so everything could start spiking everywhere by Monday.

On the flip side, if they start locking down specific neighborhoods in NYC, it's going to be absolute chaos, and that would end really, really badly. Cutting back on public transit is only making things worse because everyone ends up cramming into the few buses that are actually running.

That one state has a huge company called Straža (some kind of manufacturing plant, I'm not entirely sure what). They employ half of Austria and half of the surrounding region, plus people from other countries too. Apparently, everyone who caught it worked there—at least that's what my folks told me. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know. Word is, they couldn't maintain social distancing there, and management refused to halt production, so now the employees are paying the price...

Why does this state surprise you?
It basically orbits New York City, maybe even more than the surrounding counties do. Every single company operating there focuses their business on NYC...
Tons of people work in NYC, tons of people drive goods into NYC for deliveries, and so on...
Just take one morning drive past Westgate and look at the massive line of traffic heading toward NYC...

I know a huge crowd of people where having "Krapina-based" on your official paperwork doesn't mean much at all...
Because folks from small towns like small town, small town, small town, small town, etc., probably head into NYC at least 100 times a year, while they might hit small town once or even zero times a year..

So, it’s not even a little bit surprising that things spread so fast in NYC...

Gregory Mitchell90 said:That one state has a huge company called Straža (some kind of manufacturing plant, I'm not entirely sure what). They employ half of Austria and half of the surrounding region, plus people from other countries too. Apparently, everyone who caught it worked there—at least that's what my folks told me. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know. Word is, they couldn't maintain social distancing there, and management refused to halt production, so now the employees are paying the price...

That’s gotta be the old Staklana Straža, or maybe it’s called Vetropack now? Pretty sure some foreign investors bought them out...
And specifically, it’s right on the border with Austria, in that small town near the Sutla river...
The story sounds totally plausible...

stormybadger8 said:That’s gotta be the old Staklana Straža, or maybe it’s called Vetropack now? Pretty sure some foreign investors bought them out...
And specifically, it’s right on the border with Austria, in that small town near the Sutla river...
The story sounds totally plausible...

Yeah, that's definitely it. I honestly wouldn't have remembered on my own 😵😵

Gregory Mitchell90 said:That one state has a huge company called Straža (some kind of manufacturing plant, I'm not entirely sure what). They employ half of Austria and half of the surrounding region, plus people from other countries too. Apparently, everyone who caught it worked there—at least that's what my folks told me. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know. Word is, they couldn't maintain social distancing there, and management refused to halt production, so now the employees are paying the price...

It was Stražaplastika, back in that small town near the Sutla river—I think it's Vetropak now. They make bottles and glass packaging. Some Swiss person bought them out about 15 years ago.

If that's the case, man, that is nasty. They’re huge. Their production basically keeps the entire economy of that area afloat. If they shut down, things are gonna get ugly fast.

Jack Cook7 said:It was Stražaplastika, back in that small town near the Sutla river—I think it's Vetropak now. They make bottles and glass packaging. Some Swiss person bought them out about 15 years ago.

If that's the case, man, that is nasty. They’re huge. Their production basically keeps the entire economy of that area afloat. If they shut down, things are gonna get ugly fast.

Then you've got Vetropack and OMCO up there—both huge players. I know for a fact OMCO follows the rules to a T, maybe even a little extra, because I actually know their director... there are other companies that lean on them, but those two are the heavyweights. A lot of people work over in Austria too, since the border is right there, and the industry—glassmaking—is the same thing on both sides, like over in Rogaška...

The real headache is that everything can't just shut down. Even with COVID, people have to work... otherwise, there won't be any paychecks for the workers, and there won't be any tax revenue for the Government...

And honestly, the Government isn't doing a damn thing to help with these measures...

Yeah, they're all totally interconnected. If one goes down, the whole damn thing collapses.

Total meltdown.