Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Does anyone happen to know how long this measure is supposed to last? The fact that my mom is living 9.3 miles far away in a different state—and who knows when I'll actually be able to see her again—combined with the fact that everything depends entirely on my neighbors and relatives, is honestly starting to get to me quite a bit.

Gregory Mitchell90 said:That one state has a huge company called Straža (some kind of manufacturing plant, I'm not entirely sure what). They employ half of Austria and half of the surrounding region, plus people from other countries too. Apparently, everyone who caught it worked there—at least that's what my folks told me. Whether that's actually true or not, I honestly don't know. Word is, they couldn't maintain social distancing there, and management refused to halt production, so now the employees are paying the price...

I can back that up.
Every single person infected in this state is linked back to the packaging company, Vetropack—they’re all connected to the very first case reported here.

Joseph Taylor11 said:There’s a massive difference between being isolated in a tiny little hamlet like Lower Nigdarjev—where you've got one single shop, a post office, and a church to your name—and actually living in a sprawling city that covers hundreds of square miles. It's just not the same thing.

Before we go throwing questions around, maybe we should actually do a little reading first? Just to see if we can find the answer ourselves without bothering anyone.🤔

It’s not even about whether people should have the freedom to go wherever they want and spread whatever they’re carrying. That's not the point.
Read with some actual comprehension.

When I said "read carefully," I wasn't talking about the person I was quoting (Pythonhim)—I was talking to the other person (anđeo tame) that we both replied to.😉

restlessbear10 said:Does anyone happen to know how long this measure is supposed to last? The fact that my mom is living 9.3 miles far away in a different state—and who knows when I'll actually be able to see her again—combined with the fact that everything depends entirely on my neighbors and relatives, is honestly starting to get to me quite a bit.

Look, if we actually knew the answer to that, we probably wouldn't have wasted 44 pages on this thread by now.😉
That’s the thing—we just don't know. And honestly, that's exactly where the trouble lies. You can manage for a week or two without a major grocery store nearby, but try doing a month or two? That's when things really start to fall apart.

And to think they actually lectured us about not "hoarding supplies." Meanwhile, you look at the shelves in any grocery store and they’re fully stocked.

Yes!😠 Only one, and that's in the bigger cities.🙂

dustymarlin10 said:Exactly.
And once people actually start complaining or questioning things, some local idiot from the civil task force pops up and threatens them with lawsuits.
Just like our guy Avar over in Cleveland.

Besides, the authorities in Cleveland are already famous for suing anyone who disagrees with them, yet they don't feel a shred of shame taking tax dollars from the very people they're targeting.

But hey, what else can you expect from leaders headed by someone who’s dealing with an unappealed criminal conviction, spends his time trashing his own allies, and picks fights on Facebook?

Hopefully, voters will actually know how to hold them accountable at the next election.

👍
(As for me, I'll definitely be "rewarding" my local town officials—they’re going to get a very specific response the next time they try to ask me "which number should I circle on my ballot"—and it'll be short and sweet...)

Wait, hold on a second... do you honestly think the Chief is personally hand-delivering those passes or something? Like, why on earth would you think they'd be targeted just because you didn't vote for the current administration? I mean, look, at CZ, it's not like everyone there is just a political appointee—it’s not even a job people are lining up for. It’s more like a necessary evil, honestly. It can't be easy for them, spending all day making decisions that some big shot at the top handed down without giving a single thought to how the actual American administrative system works, and then having to deal with everyone breathing down their necks every single morning about who they're being "loyal" to.

Carl Wilson said:Wait, hold on a second... do you honestly think the Chief is personally hand-delivering those passes or something? Like, why on earth would you think they'd be targeted just because you didn't vote for the current administration? I mean, look, at CZ, it's not like everyone there is just a political appointee—it’s not even a job people are lining up for. It’s more like a necessary evil, honestly. It can't be easy for them, spending all day making decisions that some big shot at the top handed down without giving a single thought to how the actual American administrative system works, and then having to deal with everyone breathing down their necks every single morning about who they're being "loyal" to.

Oh, come on... no way. ☕

That's like believing in Santa Claus.

(And I'm not just guessing here—I actually know who's who and which party they belong to...)

The issue isn't just that some folks at CZ might make things "easier" for certain people while making life miserable for others—it's the fundamental logic behind how the whole thing was designed by the CZ leadership.
Restricting movement within a small town versus restricting movement within a major city is night and day.
People living in big cities—and let's face it, most Americans live in cities!!—probably find this hard to wrap their heads around. That's exactly why I keep writing so much: hopefully, someone will start seeing the bigger picture.

restlessbear10 said:Does anyone happen to know how long this measure is supposed to last? The fact that my mom is living 9.3 miles far away in a different state—and who knows when I'll actually be able to see her again—combined with the fact that everything depends entirely on my neighbors and relatives, is honestly starting to get to me quite a bit.

Can't you just apply for an exemption based on family needs? You explain why it's necessary, give them a timeframe, and I don't see why they wouldn't approve it.

I’d definitely apply
And if they actually had the nerve to deny it when you clearly have to take care of a family member...

electricbadger89 said:Can't you just apply for an exemption based on family needs? You explain why it's necessary, give them a timeframe, and I don't see why they wouldn't approve it.

I’d definitely apply
And if they actually had the nerve to deny it when you clearly have to take care of a family member...

It all really comes down to who's sitting in the CZ headquarters at the local municipal office.
Short and sweet! I've seen it happen firsthand!

electricbadger89 said:Can't you just apply for an exemption based on family needs? You explain why it's necessary, give them a timeframe, and I don't see why they wouldn't approve it.

I’d definitely apply
And if they actually had the nerve to deny it when you clearly have to take care of a family member...

Look at it this way: imagine you headed out to a rural area a few weeks ago using public transit, and now you need to get back home but you don't have a car. You need a ride, so you're stuck having to request a pass just to get moved? 😵

Or picture this—you need to drive from your place to your parents' house to drop off groceries and medication, 31 miles but you don't have a vehicle. How exactly are you supposed to pull that off?

By their logic, the whole "vital life interests" requirement for getting a pass basically boils down to one thing: making sure you don't starve to death.

I mean, checking on an apartment in another city (say, popping in every two weeks), watering your plants there, visiting family, or even just picking up some groceries... none of that counts as a "vital interest." According to them, that’s just being spoiled.

Honestly, it’s disgusting. It makes me sick...

Look, Joseph Taylor11, you’ve been super active in this thread since day one, but honestly? You aren't being constructive at all. If this is how you "sound" when you're emailing officials to demand a pass—basically threatening the CZ headquarters by saying they'll lose your vote in the next election—then it’s no wonder you aren't getting anywhere with those flimsy little arguments you keep repeating.
Instead of all that, if you're really as "trapped" by municipal borders as you claim, then just order stuff online. Report local shopkeepers overcharging people to the inspectors, check in with neighbors in town to see if everything's okay with the property, FaceTime your family and friends, or... I don't know, find some other way to pass the time.
If you actually want to go, then go talk to the Mayor or the CZ head and try to secure a permit for shopping or food supplies. For all the other reasons you think they owe you access to neighboring counties—just shut up. You're coming off as incredibly arrogant.

Also, I totally agree that these (completely illogical) measures hit the rest of us way harder than Washington, D.C. residents. It feels like we might just be the test subjects for future restrictions that Washington will eventually have to get used to if this whole COVID situation spirals. We're basically the guinea pigs. 🙂

Yeah, looking at this earthquake thread, I see people freaking out because they can't even make it to the cemetery. Look, I've got plenty of family laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery, but honestly—given the circumstances currently threatening those of us still breathing—I haven't spent a single second worrying about whether their headstones are intact. My mind is more on whether there's actually going to be room left in the crematorium.
If there’s some saint out there who can explain this phenomenon to me—this obsession with looking after the dead—please, go ahead and share your take. It just feels to me like we're all collectively giving a damn a lot less about the living right now.

Joseph Taylor11 said:When I said "read carefully," I wasn't talking about the person I was quoting (Pythonhim)—I was talking to the other person (anđeo tame) that we both replied to.😉

I really have to wonder—what kind of "understanding" are we supposed to show toward those people who are suddenly demanding we hit pause on these measures just because Easter is around the corner?
Because, let's be honest—COVID just doesn't seem to care about the holiday season. 🙄

Around 865 Americans got busted breaking quarantine—some were repeat offenders, too

With people acting like this, I guess we should probably expect even stricter lockdowns and mandatory quarantines soon...

Like I said before—and I’ll say it again—these folks clearly need an electric collar with a GPS tracker. That way, if they step out of bounds, maybe a little shock would remind them to stay put...

hollowwalker24 said:Around 865 Americans got busted breaking quarantine—some were repeat offenders, too

With people acting like this, I guess we should probably expect even stricter lockdowns and mandatory quarantines soon...

Like I said before—and I’ll say it again—these folks clearly need an electric collar with a GPS tracker. That way, if they step out of bounds, maybe a little shock would remind them to stay put...

Well, hey, at least it's another $700,000 pumped into the federal budget

Quoting

"Oriana Ivković Novokmet over at Google points out that when we’re facing a crisis like this, the whole point of civil society is to push back against anyone trying to build an authoritarian state or some kind of surveillance society. She says look, implementing measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus makes sense, but it is absolutely vital that those rules don't become tools for abuse.

"We can't afford to lose sight of democracy just because we're dealing with a massive crisis like this epidemic," she warns.

Basically, any restrictive rules have to play nice with democracy and human rights, be driven strictly by public health needs, follow the Constitution and stay limited to a clearly defined timeframe. "

ruggedhawk20 said:Well, hey, at least it's another $700,000 pumped into the federal budget

So far, they've only collected 115 $0.00, and you can pretty much forget about those massive numbers you're expecting

An employer can issue a pass based on where an employee lives versus their actual job site, which also covers field work authorization through a travel order.
Or perhaps they could even do it without a formal travel order, just by using a signed statement from the boss... I’m honestly not sure about that part because my company has completely suspended all field visits anyway.

That being said, @tessaa, if you’re feeling brave, I really think your employer could issue you a pass (along with a travel order) without making a huge ordeal out of it just so you can handle whatever business you need to attend to one time. Unless, of course, you're under a self-isolation order—in which case, you'll just have to stay quiet and wait out the two weeks or whatever time you have left. It isn't the end of the world.

Regardless, the whole situation is just sickening; seeing one of the poorest nations in North America enforcing such brutal restrictions and causing such economic devastation, while people in some of the wealthiest countries are living almost completely normally!

The little Napoleon Bonapartes and Adolf Hitlers of the world have "come out of the closet," and frankly, who cares... though the ones we see today are actually worse than those historical figures who at least had some semblance of strategic planning going on with three grains of salt in their heads. No, no, these guys are more like Nero or the captains of the Titanic! And to top it off, they’re patting each other on the back and playing the "hero" role. It is truly nauseating to watch.

But they’ll save themselves one way or another on this sinking ship, and right now, they're enjoying their little "victory" days. Once it's all over, they'll figure things out as they go, using this as an excuse for another decade of crisis and selling off vital state assets for pennies on the dollar to massive multinational corporations...

Joseph Taylor11 said:Here is the conflicting info I've been seeing lately:
1. There's a $30,000 fine.$0.00
2. The fine ranges from $3,000 up to $30,000.$0.00
3. And now this: there is no fine at all, they "just send you back."

So, a couple of questions:
1. Has anyone here actually been caught without their papers? If so, what happened?
2. Does anyone have the actual facts or know exactly what the penalties are—or better yet, where they're officially posted?

Hmm, sounds like they leaked that $30k figure just to keep people from swarming the checkpoints or trying to cut through side roads. Clever trick—looks like our brains only start working when things hit the fan.