Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

hollowmason64, should they have declared a state of emergency?

copperwolf16 said:Perhaps the most damaging consequence—though one could argue it's the most beneficial, depending on one's perspective—of this decision is that it handed local sheriffs the power to dictate freedom of movement. It seems many of them are quite enjoying these newly acquired authorities. Take, for example, this individual:

The senseless chief of the pointless Municipality of Podstrana near Split. The image at this link speaks volumes: he has ironed his uniform, cleared his desk, and even positioned himself so that his face completely obscures our greatest general in the photo behind him! All he's missing now are the epaulets. Of course, you wouldn't dare challenge him, would you? You simply cannot leave the territory of the magnificent Municipality of Podstrana just to take a child for a walk, visit a partner, or run to the bank... after all, he isn't just anyone; he is the Chief and the commander of the headquarters! To all you unfortunate souls who didn't have the money to buy property in Split and were forced to settle in the ring of suburbs surrounding Split—like Dugopolj, Podstrana, or Kaštel—just stay in your place.
Long live our system of local government and our hundreds of tiny, uniformed sheriffs!

In my opinion, the only person in this entire mess who hasn't realized that almost all those excuses are actually valid is the sheriff: At first, there were requests that just seemed like personal luxuries rather than essential family needs: driving to a neighboring city for shopping trips, heading out to the countryside, going to the bank, visiting vineyards, getting car repairs, picking up construction supplies, checking out boats or market stalls, or even just going to see a boyfriend or girlfriend.

But let's get real. I'm definitely not going to buy bad milk in some rural town if it's giving my baby cramps, I'm not grabbing bread from a bakery if I have celiac disease, and I sure as hell am not going to drain my accounts if I have a protected account and can't access an ATM. Working in the vineyard is a completely legitimate reason to travel, which they actually confirmed during the press conference today.

Bryan Taylor6 said:Everyone knows those guys from Murter are hardcore skiers; he spent three months skiing out in Colorado...😁

Have you ever even heard of a country called "Italy"?

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briskjackal5 said:Have you ever even heard of a country called "Italy"?

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Man, those guys from Murter are heading to Italy for skiing... wow, just wow. You learn something new every single day...😁

quietviper22 said:In my opinion, the only person in this entire mess who hasn't realized that almost all those excuses are actually valid is the sheriff: At first, there were requests that just seemed like personal luxuries rather than essential family needs: driving to a neighboring city for shopping trips, heading out to the countryside, going to the bank, visiting vineyards, getting car repairs, picking up construction supplies, checking out boats or market stalls, or even just going to see a boyfriend or girlfriend.

But let's get real. I'm definitely not going to buy bad milk in some rural town if it's giving my baby cramps, I'm not grabbing bread from a bakery if I have celiac disease, and I sure as hell am not going to drain my accounts if I have a protected account and can't access an ATM. Working in the vineyard is a completely legitimate reason to travel, which they actually confirmed during the press conference today.

Come on, man, the guy can barely make it through his five minutes, and you're out here doing this... 😁

Bryan Taylor6 said:So what if they're asking? Even the police are looking for 750 people, so what is that supposed to tell us?
On the other hand, wouldn't it be a good idea for hospitals to ask infected people what kind of jobs they have? Then, if there aren't any infected cashiers, maybe we can actually think about something...

Jesus, how old are you anyway, using such mindless arguments? The police were looking for people way before this whole pandemic even started. Now, in the middle of an epidemic, they’re still hunting people down, which just goes to show they’re short-handed. It means a good chunk of the force is completely out of the loop.
Honestly, I was just thinking about this—when epidemiologists are bringing in people who’ve tested positive, they really ought to be asking them what they actually do for a living. It feels like such a missed opportunity. You can't just look at the medical data; you have to understand how people move through their daily lives, their jobs, and their routines. If we want to get a real handle on how things spread, we need that human element.
Oh boy, good grief... 🤦

Melissa Phillips4 Asks:
Honestly, they should have just targeted the people actually breaking quarantine. It makes zero sense to lock down 4 million people just because of 800 idiots who can't follow basic isolation rules.

They really should have just rounded up that whole crew and put them straight into quarantine. Honestly, if they had slapped them with some massive, heavy-duty fines right out of the gate, you’d see how quickly everyone would have stayed tucked away at home.
Man, it really puts things into perspective. Take people fighting something like leukemia, for example. When they’re going through treatment in the hospital, they have to stay in total isolation. We're talking about these tiny glass cubicles, maybe just a few square feet, where they can't step out for at least four to six weeks. Meanwhile, those of us who are actually healthy are complaining because being stuck at home or having to run a quick errand to the grocery store is such a hassle. It’s honestly a disaster when you think about it.

Ronald Howard3 said:The e-passport is going to be linked up with the Ministry of the Interior, Civil Protection, the IRS, Social Security... just wait until they link everything to phone tracking—we’ll turn into a total fascist wasteland. For instance, what were you actually doing at your cabin last week working the farm? Run a small business? Better write an explanation to the IRS... Or why did you show up at the office on Saturday if your hours are strictly Monday through Friday? Oh, you just stopped by to tidy some paperwork because you couldn't make it during the week? Here, have an e-ticket for illegal overtime work... Have a lovely day...☕

When you hand modern technology over to those North American-communist zombies... there are no limits.☕

Well, I guess you should just go ahead and thank the group that abused those e-Passports in the first place—they were handing them out like candy to anyone who asked.

Bryan Taylor6 said:So when will we hear the Supreme Court's actual stance? It's been 10 days and they're staying silent like nothing happened... and honestly, neither are the top politicians. Turns out Civil Protection is the biggest player in the country.😁

Did you actually file a request for it? I mean, did anyone even officially ask for it based on that specific legal provision?

I asked you something about the state of emergency? But I guess you missed that...

Alright, they're rolling out these new, more modern passes. People have all sorts of takes on it, but it leaves me wondering what happens to the old ones—like mine, which is basically only good for another month.

Unless your boss hands you a new one, I guess the old one's still valid...

hollowmason64 said:Fifteen days. https://www.law.com/statutes/residency-act
Your issue is that you aren't distinguishing between residency and domicile.

If you don't know the answer, why are you weighing in? Here, take this and give it a read:

http://www.legalinfo.gov/DailyContent/Article.aspx?id=41073

Once again—that was just one judge's opinion, not the official ruling of the Supreme Court.
And once more, your problem is failing to understand the difference between a single dissenting opinion and an actual Supreme Court ruling that carries legal weight (or lack thereof).

Like I said, you probably grew up in a big city like New York. I’d love to see you living out in rural Wyoming; I bet you wouldn't be singing those same songs. No way.

You don't live in Italy either, because if you did, you certainly wouldn't be singing the same song. What kind of argument is that?

What's wrong with it? That sounds like a convenient excuse when you just want to get rid of a piece of property.😬

God, I love arrogant people like you. You were the one who brought up temporary residence, not me.

Just so we're clear, this is what you wrote, just to remind you:

hollowmason64 said:Look, the government doesn't care if you're hooking up at a different spot every single night, but if you stay at the same place for more than 15 days, you're supposed to report that change of residence.

I honestly don't know if they're overstepping; I haven't run into anyone like that personally.
And who’s saying they’re violating Constitution-guaranteed rights? One judge's opinion isn't the official stance of the Supreme Court. The Court could easily reach a conclusion that's the exact opposite of what that one judge thinks, and his view would just be recorded as a dissenting opinion.

Well, goodness gracious, apparently people aren't even allowed to leave their houses anymore. Did you miss that video from a few days ago where the mayor was yelling at some guy just for stepping out a little too far? The mayor starts ranting at him like, "Go home or I'll call a police officer!"

Even here, the cop will just turn you around and won't let you pass. It's not like they're going to beat you with a baton, for crying out loud.🙄
I’m just curious—out of everyone here debating whether this whole thing is working or not, how many of you actually hold an e-Passport and travel daily? I want to know what it’s actually like on the ground.
For instance, I’ve been commuting out of the city every single day for a week now for work. I have my e-Passport, and honestly, not once has a Police officer pulled me over on the way back, even when I was driving through in the afternoon, late at night, or early morning. Personally, I think it's all a bit sloppy.

People claiming everyone is healthy? How can you possibly know that? Do you visit them regularly or something?
Or do you really believe a major retail chain would ever go public with news like that? If one of our cashiers tested positive, there's a good chance others on the same shift did too.
That would be a PR nightmare for them. Something they'd definitely want to avoid.
Fair point, though—sometimes we really need to use our heads.

On another note, Spar was posting ads looking for new sales associates just two or three days ago. It makes me wonder why and how they need more staff when their operating hours have been slashed by a third. It’s a mystery.
Something to chew on.

So, if nearly 80 new cases a day is considered a negligible number, I guess they should just let us out to speed things up a bit, right?

You have up to three months to report a temporary residence.

And now you're accusing *me* of not knowing the difference between a domicile and a temporary residence? Shame on you.

Once again—that's just one judge's opinion, not the official ruling of the Supreme Court.
And once again, your problem is you don't understand the difference between a dissenting opinion and an actual Supreme Court ruling that carries legal weight—or lack thereof.

Did I say it was a Supreme Court ruling? No. But I read up on it, and from what I see, there is absolutely zero legal basis for what's happening here.

You don't even live in Italy, because if you did, you wouldn't be singing the same song. What kind of argument is that?

Brilliant argument. You live in a major city like Chicago and actually have no clue what life is like for people in some tiny rural township out in the middle of nowhere that you couldn't even find on a map.

So, maybe come down to earth for a second.

Henry Wells66 said:Typical North American mindset...
What they’re doing over in Germany or Canada... Honestly, looking at this forum, it seems like a tiny fraction of you people have actually learned anything about fighting a virus. It’s pathetic, seriously...
Civil rights, fancy titles... it's all just hot air.
I’ve been stuck in quarantine for a month now. I only head out if I absolutely have to (making sure I've got my e-Passport stuffed in my pocket), and luckily my company is one of those ones they HAD to shut down...
And when I say luckily, I don't mean for my own sake—because sitting around the house with nothing to do is enough to make you want to end it all—I mean for the older folks around me. I'm certain I won't catch this thing and pass it on to them. In my city, four people have already died and over forty are infected. If you wander out without a damn good reason, you're looking at fines between $400 and $3,000, or even up to 18 months in prison. Those are the kinds of rules we need to enforce in EVERY single infection zone. These half-baked measures (like what they're doing in places like Mexico or similar) just help the virus spread, which overwhelms the ICU wards, which infects the medical staff, which leads to...
Maybe some of you should actually think about what I wrote here...

Typical outsider perspective on America—just blue-collar types who think they've mastered life simply by crossing state lines.

The travel ban barely slowed things down—maybe a 10% dip at most—since everyone has an e-Passport anyway.

While other countries are actually fighting the virus, America is just sitting back, watching what happens, and letting its citizens take the hit.

Let's huddle up in this thread since we're all pretty much stuck in place anyway.
How are you guys actually handling being cut off from your loved ones?

I'll kick things off—my grandparents live in the next county over, totally alone. They can't just head to the doctor, grab meds, or even hit an ATM whenever they need to... they're basically trapped in a tiny town with one little corner store. And if you want a travel permit, they demand some "valid reason"—I mean, what could be more valid than that? Even if they grant it, it's only for a single day. But people need check-ins, you know? So, what, you seriously have to beg for permission every single time you want to look after your own family?!

On top of that, my boyfriend is only 20 minutes away, but I’d have to cross two different counties just to see him. We're toughing it out for now, hoping this doesn't drag on, but if this lasts more than a month or two? It's gonna be brutal for everyone.

Let me hear your thoughts and how you're feeling—let's try to lift each other up a bit. ��

Edit: maybe I didn't set this thread up quite right, so if a moderator could fix it up, that'd be great.

The absolute morons in our government just made a totally brainless decision.
I mean, seriously, someone living in some tiny rural town of 300 people can't even make it to the next town over, yet in a massive place like New York City, you can practically traverse the entire thing.
What else is there to call it besides pure absurdity? But hey, that’s just us—a clueless nation that stays silent while idiots run the show and wreck everything in their path.

This exact thread already exists—it’s sitting right underneath this one. I'm stuck using my Samsung Galaxy A71 right now, so I can't easily drop the link here.

I honestly can't wrap my head around why so many construction workers from Germany and Ireland decided to pack up and trek all the way over here to America and Canada. You have to wonder—what was the logic there? Why didn't they just stay put in the countries they were actually supposed to be working in?

coastaltiger72 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around why so many construction workers from Germany and Ireland decided to pack up and trek all the way over here to America and Canada. You have to wonder—what was the logic there? Why didn't they just stay put in the countries they were actually supposed to be working in?

And then you have certain individuals bringing the virus right along with them.

Yeah, I’m wondering the same thing. Personally, I’d have stayed put, just out of pure principle.

Especially when you consider how most of them were probably talking trash about America the whole time. Eh.

rustywalker42 said:And then you have certain individuals bringing the virus right along with them.

Yeah, I’m wondering the same thing. Personally, I’d have stayed put, just out of pure principle.

Especially when you consider how most of them were probably talking trash about America the whole time. Eh.

Yep.
And those of us who actually stayed here to live and work were mostly labeled as sellouts by them.
Now suddenly we're all good guys together, including our entire healthcare system??

coastaltiger72 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around why so many construction workers from Germany and Ireland decided to pack up and trek all the way over here to America and Canada. You have to wonder—what was the logic there? Why didn't they just stay put in the countries they were actually supposed to be working in?

It's easy to judge them for leaving...
But they probably left because—surprise, surprise—healthcare here is free, and they already have coverage back home.
Plus, they own property here while paying insane rent over there. Life is cheaper here, too. And if they’re on unpaid leave or just got laid off, coming back is the much cheaper option. Honestly, nothing to be shocked about...

People are who they are, and that's the least of our problems. Expecting an individual to sacrifice their family's well-being for the sake of the community is just plain stupid...
Even if it didn't hurt them personally, it's still not their job, and they aren't getting paid to worry about it...

The real question is why the government allowed these people to fly in without any oversight and move around spreading the virus, all while preaching about "self-isolation" and acting like everyone was actually staying home...

On top of that massive failure, the government is now basically screwing everyone else over and absolutely wrecking the economy...
I've got a feeling the entire economy hasn't taken this much of a hit since the old days; even the former America, Mexico, and the Secret Police working together during the war couldn't do this much damage if they really tried...

Jack Cook7 said:Wait, aren't healthcare workers under mandatory service right now? If that's the case, they're basically stuck, right?

Maybe if you had two different residency permits and two separate licenses over there, they’d actually value us... But honestly, it just doesn't make sense here without proper personal protective equipment. If we're going to get infected anyway, we might as well get paid for it. Because at this point, it's not a matter of if it happens, but when...

If anyone has actually gone through the process of leaving the US, could you please write down the procedure for American citizens? Whether you were a baker or a healthcare worker—just based on what you've seen. Especially for Americans holding UK documents. We’d just head out automatically...

We have all our paperwork ready for the SIM card licenses, we have our residency permits (those fools actually moved back to the States), and our licenses are still valid. They keep reaching out to us via email...

coastaltiger72 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around why so many construction workers from Germany and Ireland decided to pack up and trek all the way over here to America and Canada. You have to wonder—what was the logic there? Why didn't they just stay put in the countries they were actually supposed to be working in?

What really gets me, though—and this is the part I can't wrap my head around—is that their excuse is basically that they don't have enough saved up for a house anymore. I mean, seriously? I don't get how they haven't managed to squirrel away anything over a few years—or however long they've been out there. It just doesn't add up to me.