Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Where are the checkpoints around the City of Chicago where you can't pass without an e-Passport?

The county is offering discounts, so maybe heading out to the cabin is actually worth it. I guess.

James Chavez91 said:I actually had to laugh at my buddy's situation.
His girlfriend has been living with him for five years now, yet her official address is still listed at her parents' place—apparently, they’re waiting until they actually get married to deal with all the paperwork, change of address, and everything else...

So, if she heads out to the grocery store, she can't exactly head "home"—she has to go back to her folks, and if she wants to get home, she needs an e-Passport. It's quite a show 🤣

Here's the takeaway from the link above:

On the flip side, the Decision doesn't cover every single scenario. For instance, one woman from the town of Dugopolj is still formally registered at her parents' place, even though she's actually been living in Podstrana with her boyfriend for years. Her job is in Dugopolj, and since that's where she's officially registered, she couldn't get permission from her employer to leave the area. Consequently, the Podstrana Civil Protection headquarters spent a few days dealing with this totally normal—yet unforeseen—mess.

So, it is possible. But apparently, in the municipality of Dugopolj or at CZ Črnomerec, it isn't. There you have it.

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electricbadger89 said:Here's the takeaway from the link above:

On the flip side, the Decision doesn't cover every single scenario. For instance, one woman from the town of Dugopolj is still formally registered at her parents' place, even though she's actually been living in Podstrana with her boyfriend for years. Her job is in Dugopolj, and since that's where she's officially registered, she couldn't get permission from her employer to leave the area. Consequently, the Podstrana Civil Protection headquarters spent a few days dealing with this totally normal—yet unforeseen—mess.

So, it is possible. But apparently, in the municipality of Dugopolj or at CZ Črnomerec, it isn't. There you have it.

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The employer probably should have just opened a fake branch office in Podstrana. 🤣

Man, I swear... 😳

Word on the street is the Ministry of the Interior is going to take over the whole thing and start issuing these new permits with unique codes.

electricbadger89 said:My mom and grandma are staying with me outside of Washington, D.C. because their apartment isn't safe to live in after the earthquake. My mom actually asked a police officer what would happen if she moved back to her permanent residence, and the officer told her she’d have to go into a two-week self-isolation

What a possible? That sounds completely insane to me
If she was just staying with family, and none of us are in quarantine, sick, or coming from some high-risk area—meaning she didn't fly in from another country or anything—then why on earth would there be any isolation?

What does that even have to do with anything? Why does the mileage of moving locations matter, and what role does distance play in whether someone gets infected?
And how on earth could the police know that everyone in the place she's coming from is uninfected? Are they supposed to go door-to-door checking every single person in every town people travel from?
There's a good chance the police won't even pull her over when she enters the City of Chicago, but if they do, she'll end up being handed an order for mandatory isolation.

Bryan Taylor6 said:They shouldn't have introduced any measures at all. It would have resulted in the same thing—everyone getting sick and building immunity. But then they wouldn't get to act like big shots, because they'd be suffering too...

Is this the logic Johnson is using? It's funny how people with that mindset, once they actually get sick, don't try to build immunity at home—they immediately start whining for a doctor.

James Chavez91 said:I actually had to laugh at my buddy's situation.
His girlfriend has been living with him for five years now, yet her official address is still listed at her parents' place—apparently, they’re waiting until they actually get married to deal with all the paperwork, change of address, and everything else...

So, if she heads out to the grocery store, she can't exactly head "home"—she has to go back to her folks, and if she wants to get home, she needs an e-Passport. It's quite a show 🤣

She should just register through the e-visitor system and there won't be any trouble.
Honestly, it's pretty funny how people don't follow laws like this one, which requires reporting a change of residence, thinking, "Who cares, nobody actually does this, why does it matter?" and then when their own negligence and failure to respect the law comes back to bite them, suddenly everyone else is to blame.

This residency registration law is just plain stupid—if I’m the kind of guy who spends every night at a different girl's place in a different coastal city or staying in hotels, what does the government actually care about? 😁They need an address so they know where to tax me and where to send court summonses—anything beyond that is just meddling. The whole thing is pointless; they can't even get a handle on voter numbers or the quorum needed for a referendum, yet they're so obsessed with making our lives difficult.

Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

hollowmason64 said:What does that even have to do with anything? Why does the mileage of moving locations matter, and what role does distance play in whether someone gets infected?
And how on earth could the police know that everyone in the place she's coming from is uninfected? Are they supposed to go door-to-door checking every single person in every town people travel from?
There's a good chance the police won't even pull her over when she enters the City of Chicago, but if they do, she'll end up being handed an order for mandatory isolation.

Is this the logic Johnson is using? It's funny how people with that mindset, once they actually get sick, don't try to build immunity at home—they immediately start whining for a doctor.

She should just register through the e-visitor system and there won't be any trouble.
Honestly, it's pretty funny how people don't follow laws like this one, which requires reporting a change of residence, thinking, "Who cares, nobody actually does this, why does it matter?" and then when their own negligence and failure to respect the law comes back to bite them, suddenly everyone else is to blame.

Your comment would actually hold water if we weren't dealing with the fact that all these Civil Protection Headquarters are systematically overstepping their legal authority. If we lived in a country where the law actually meant something, those who strip citizens of rights guaranteed by the Constitution would be facing criminal prosecution.

James Phillips92 said:Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

Italy

James Phillips92 said:Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

Why does that even surprise you? It's a normal country with normal laws. Even the economists actually ran the numbers... unlike here where the Civil Protection just screws you over.

Adam Allen85 said:Italy

Sure, but we're talking about the state level, and one state like our America...

James Phillips92 said:Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

Canada

coastaltiger72 said:James Chavez91 👍>😁 It’s honestly staggering—just how much people are willing to sacrifice just to save a few bucks or shave a little time off their day. 🙏

And then they end up paying way more than they ever would have if they just did their jobs and handled the paperwork properly in the first place.

Adam Allen85 said:Italy

So, looking at the landscape—the US, Canada, Italy... then you have Mexico, which actually went a step further by introducing police watches. Honestly, I’m sitting here wondering what we've actually achieved with these measures. All we've done is stall the economy and stop the budget from filling up. Where exactly does the Government plan to pull the money from to pay state employees? Most likely, we'll just end up taking out more debt—which, let's be real, works out great for the banks.

James Phillips92 said:Does anyone know if there are other places with these kinds of movement restrictions—besides North Korea? I was catching up with some friends living in Germany today, and they said things are totally different over there. No such restrictions at all.

There have been measures in place in Canada since yesterday, though from what I've gathered, they aren't handing out fines or demanding formal applications to local town councils; instead, a police officer might just give you a warning and send you on your way if they see you're heading to another municipality for something unnecessary, like a day trip.
In Mexico, the curfew lasts about half a day...

Generally speaking, almost everyone has introduced some sort of restriction on movement, which doesn't bother me personally. However, in our specific situation, one can clearly see the absurdity of these local governments—where I am far more privileged in a major hub like Los Angeles than someone would be in a small rural town, for instance. Furthermore, likely due to limited capacity, they have essentially abdicated the responsibility of issuing permits to local authorities who lack uniform criteria and a standardized approach to their work.
Therefore, if they have decided to limit one of our fundamental freedoms—the freedom of movement—due to an exceptional situation, they could have at least implemented it uniformly for everyone.

I don't want to comment on Germany; I saw a report where a patrol in some industrial town was walking down the street, checking in on people in their yards, asking how they were doing, if they needed anything, or how they were holding up during this period. We, however, possess a different mindset—whether it's a sheriff, a local deputy, or a beat cop, I fear it's all part of the same collective mentality.

North Korea has always had travel bans; you simply cannot leave your city without a permit.

Well, look at that, even the Civil Protection Headquarters has officially weighed in—apparently, tilling fields for private individuals is now considered a legitimate reason to get an e-Passport:

Adam Collins4 - you’re acting more devout than the Pope with all that insistence that tending to a vineyard isn't essential.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Well, look at that, even the Civil Protection Headquarters has officially weighed in—apparently, tilling fields for private individuals is now considered a legitimate reason to get an e-Passport:

Adam Collins4 - you’re acting more devout than the Pope with all that insistence that tending to a vineyard isn't essential.

Look, I’m sticking to my guns on this one...

The whole point of a vineyard is the wine... and wine? Not exactly essential.

If you just want grapes to snack on, go plant a little blueberry bush next to the house... and enjoy.

There's a massive difference between that and a garden where you're planting things to actually survive on later—especially in times like these...

hollowmason64 said:What does that even have to do with anything? Why does the mileage of moving locations matter, and what role does distance play in whether someone gets infected?
And how on earth could the police know that everyone in the place she's coming from is uninfected? Are they supposed to go door-to-door checking every single person in every town people travel from?
There's a good chance the police won't even pull her over when she enters the City of Chicago, but if they do, she'll end up being handed an order for mandatory isolation.

Is this the logic Johnson is using? It's funny how people with that mindset, once they actually get sick, don't try to build immunity at home—they immediately start whining for a doctor.

She should just register through the e-visitor system and there won't be any trouble.
Honestly, it's pretty funny how people don't follow laws like this one, which requires reporting a change of residence, thinking, "Who cares, nobody actually does this, why does it matter?" and then when their own negligence and failure to respect the law comes back to bite them, suddenly everyone else is to blame.

I've been telling you all along that we probably already have herd immunity here... basically, many people have had Corona without even knowing it because it passed like a common flu or a virus. We had that massive festival in Rijeka with tons of Italians and Chinese tourists, and zero Corona cases. But of course, we'd need to test healthy people for antibodies, but nobody wants to do that... because it costs money. It’s much easier to play dictator and tell people they can't move around... 3.1 miles in some small towns there are only 5,000 people, but in the City of Chicago, 800,000 people are just doing whatever they want...

What about the cashiers? They're all healthy, so how's that possible?
That's because they're always on the front lines of any infection; they were among the first to deal with Corona, and now they're healthy.

If only people would actually think for a second...

Alexander Thompson said:The county is offering discounts, so maybe heading out to the cabin is actually worth it. I guess.

Yeah, but also no, because this whole thing is brand new as of today per instructions from the Civil Protection Headquarters. So basically, you can now grab an e-Passport to handle tilling soil or doing other farming work.

In my opinion, they really could’ve avoided this move once they made the decision*. Tomorrow is already Wednesday, so we gotta wait and see when they actually start rolling out these digital passes, and by next Thursday, the window for tilling is basically closed. Honestly, I’d rather they just left things as they were until after Easter, and then just started lifting bans across the board. This way, they’re just stacking exceptions on top of exceptions and creating a massive mess.

*Farmers should have been carved out of this decision immediately—that means tilling land AND selling at farmers' markets. They could've, and honestly should've, restructured the markets instead of letting people's entire harvests go to waste.

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If nothing else, this ruling really shines a light on how most of our folks don't even have their official residency or mailing addresses sorted out 😬. They might as well stop wasting money on those highway cameras and try making some cash off that instead.😬

silverwalker27 said:The Ministry of Agriculture is actually putting in some effort here—I'm seeing improvements even at my local level. Things look much better than they did just a few days ago, back when certain Facebook groups, like the ones over in a city like San Francisco, were trying to hawk eggs at slightly inflated prices of $0.67.

But all those delivery services make zero sense. What am I supposed to do, order two heads of lettuce, a pound of carrots, and some mixed greens for soup for home delivery? How much am I gonna end up paying for that? Farmers' markets just don't have any alternatives for local produce, no matter how much of a digital advocate I am.