Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

I was issued a travel permit a few days ago so I could go visit my dad, and it’s valid for one month.
Does anyone know if this type of permit can be swapped out for a digital version, even though it was issued by the Emergency Operations Center? Or does that digital transition only apply to the ones being handed out by employers?

How long did you guys have to wait to get yours? Were you specifically hunting for a one-month turnaround, or is that just whatever they decide on?

Joshua Gray75 said:Oh, they know... to an extent.
But if only a handful of people reach out to them—then it's just "fine"...

However, once a massive crowd starts "bothering" them—that's when those same opposition parties might start looking for ways to score points for future elections... and then the administration will start thinking they need to rack up some points too... which is when you can actually expect something to happen.

That said, nobody should actually be giving in. Movement restrictions should stay—it's just a matter of defining the boundaries "spatially"—rather than by "municipality."
For instance, movement—within a certain radius 6.2 miles from one's home address. You could travel to the nearest major shopping center—once a week.
(... and so on... )

On the other hand—personally, I would restrict movement within Washington, D.C. It has the highest population—which means the most infections... what does someone like Stephanie need to do to get from Central Park to Times Square? Or vice versa.

But if something like that were implemented—then perhaps (and I say perhaps) New Yorkers would finally understand what it means when you can't go a few miles away just because it's a different municipality. Right now, it's easy for them to say "stay home"—when they live within spitting distance of a Walmart/Sprouts/Lidl/Target...

(though then they'll likely start making excuses: "but our elderly parents live over there..." right... as if nobody living outside of NYC doesn't have elderly parents in some other town whom they can't visit without a permit...)

I'm from D.C., and I completely agree with the bolded part of your post. Besides, that's how I've been living for over two weeks now. I don't see any issues with it, especially in a place like D.C. where every neighborhood has its own local grocery store or pharmacy.

Brian Torres2 said:Got mine. 🎉

I listed stuff like apartment inspections, checking utility lines, notifying the landlord, bringing my own tools, and all that good stuff. It's all legit, obviously.

Small town, just outside Washington, D.C. The permit works for the whole D.C. area. Got it approved within 48 hours.

Honestly, this is pathetic—grown adults actually getting excited over permits.

Are we living in a concentration camp or something?

Nicholas King said:Starting April 6th, leaving your residence won't be permitted without an e-pass—that was the word from the Secretary of the Interior and head of the FEMA Emergency Operations Center, Davor Božinović, during Wednesday's briefing.

According to Davor Božinović, speaking at the FEMA press conference, these e-passes will be issued for durations ranging from one to 14 days, depending entirely on the specific reason for the request.

''If any of the authorized issuers can't provide an e-pass for legitimate reasons, then FEMA will step in and handle it on their behalf,'' he noted.

He also made it clear that everyone who has been using the previous versions of these passes is required to switch over to the new e-passes by April 5th.

What an idiot—the validity period on these passes is way too long. They should shorten it to 24 hours, just so the entire country does nothing but issue passes for the next day.

I knew he was incompetent, but he manages to surprise me with a new level of ineptitude every single time.

He and "his" police force are the primary reason we’re in this mess; so many people have been bypassing isolation protocols—everything from those tourists coming in from Turkey to the endless crowds of skiers from Tyrol and other resorts.

Tyler Morales2 said:How long did you guys have to wait to get yours? Were you specifically hunting for a one-month turnaround, or is that just whatever they decide on?

I waited about three or four days for her, though I have to admit, I submitted my request right at the peak of the rush.
I hear things are moving at a much faster pace now.
In the application at that time, it clearly stated that I needed to specify the exact timeframe for which I was requesting the permit. Following those instructions, I requested one for a duration of one month, and that was what I ultimately received.

Nicholas King Quote : man
Starting April 6th, leaving your residence will only be permitted if you have an e-pass, according to an announcement made on Wednesday by Secretary of the Interior Davor Božinović, who also serves as the head of the FEMA Emergency Operations Center.

Davor Božinović stated during a press conference held by FEMA that digital passes will be issued within a timeframe ranging from one to 14 days, depending on the specific reason for the request.

"If any authorized pass issuer finds themselves unable to issue an e-pass due to legitimate circumstances, FEMA will step in to handle it on their behalf," he stated.

He made it clear that anyone who has already been issued physical passes is required to switch over to the e-passes by April 5th.

Thank you. I’ll send off an email later today to ensure I get a response in a timely manner. Given that this involves elderly care, I am hopeful that the permit will be processed within the standard two-week window.

Is it just me, or is the homepage still totally unresponsive?

btw. how on earth is the system supposed to handle the crash once everyone starts rushing to grab their passes...

Joshua Gray75 said:Oh, they know... to an extent.
But if only a handful of people reach out to them—then it's just "fine"...

However, once a massive crowd starts "bothering" them—that's when those same opposition parties might start looking for ways to score points for future elections... and then the administration will start thinking they need to rack up some points too... which is when you can actually expect something to happen.

That said, nobody should actually be giving in. Movement restrictions should stay—it's just a matter of defining the boundaries "spatially"—rather than by "municipality."
For instance, movement—within a certain radius 6.2 miles from one's home address. You could travel to the nearest major shopping center—once a week.
(... and so on... )

On the other hand—personally, I would restrict movement within Washington, D.C. It has the highest population—which means the most infections... what does someone like Stephanie need to do to get from Central Park to Times Square? Or vice versa.

But if something like that were implemented—then perhaps (and I say perhaps) New Yorkers would finally understand what it means when you can't go a few miles away just because it's a different municipality. Right now, it's easy for them to say "stay home"—when they live within spitting distance of a Walmart/Sprouts/Lidl/Target...

(though then they'll likely start making excuses: "but our elderly parents live over there..." right... as if nobody living outside of NYC doesn't have elderly parents in some other town whom they can't visit without a permit...)

I'm not going anywhere anyway, so I'm all for it. Honestly, they can just take back this stupid earthquake they handed us instead. 😬

wiredotter89 said:Is it just me, or is the homepage still totally unresponsive?

btw. how on earth is the system supposed to handle the crash once everyone starts rushing to grab their passes...

The documentation states you can request it via email and print it out yourself. Plus, there's a mobile version coming since it includes a QR code for scanning on your phone.

I hear what you're saying, and I get the logic behind it, but there's a major disconnect here. In the YouTube tutorial video, they're showing links for registration that simply don't exist on the actual website.

Tyler Morales2 said:How long did you guys have to wait to get yours? Were you specifically hunting for a one-month turnaround, or is that just whatever they decide on?

It took me like two days tops.
First I send them the form, then my ID, and the date that actually works for me. I need it done in a day because I don't want to be playing games or abusing the system...
I just picked a date, and that's exactly what they confirmed.

rustywalker42 said:Honestly, this is pathetic—grown adults actually getting excited over permits.

Are we living in a concentration camp or something?

No, but things are seriously messed up right now—it’s like "maybe, maybe not" everywhere you look.
I left my family's place just hours before the earthquake hit, so naturally, I didn't grab everything I actually needed. I can manage for two weeks, but I am definitely NOT set for two months...

But hey, I can handle it now, so I'm happy. It's a small win, but it counts. 🙂

rustywalker42 said:Honestly, this is pathetic—grown adults actually getting excited over permits.

Are we living in a concentration camp or something?

At this rate, the ten of us will probably end up brawling over the last bag of chips on the shelf at Walmart.
Small joys, I guess.

wiredotter89 said:I hear what you're saying, and I get the logic behind it, but there's a major disconnect here. In the YouTube tutorial video, they're showing links for registration that simply don't exist on the actual website.

Since I haven't signed up for an eCitizen account yet, I'll just be trying to handle this via email again this time.

0:49 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5z...ature=youtu.be
If anyone happens to know how to get to that point, please let me know.

So, the stuff mentioned in the video isn't even actually on the website. The whole page feels more like some sketchy ad than an actual portal—you're basically just watching a tutorial on how to use something that doesn't even exist! Do they seriously think everyone can just sign up and get their passes by Monday???

Watch what you say online. Here’s how things turned out for the guy who started that Facebook group:

A 32-year-old man has been criminally charged with inciting the spread and transmission of a communicable disease, according to the Istria County Sheriff's Office. Authorities suspect he spent the last three days moderating posts in a group specifically designed to encourage citizens to defy public health orders.

wiredotter89 said:0:49 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5z...ature=youtu.be
If anyone happens to know how to get to that point, please let me know.

NOTHING!!!

I’m logged into the eCitizen portal right now and the service is nowhere to be found.
The free helpline is supposed to be open from 8 to 5 PM, and the service was meant to go live at 4 PM 😵

rustywalker42 said:God, I love arrogant people like you. You were the one who brought up temporary residence, not me.

Just so we're clear, this is what you wrote, just to remind you:

You have up to three months to report a temporary residence.

And now you're accusing *me* of not knowing the difference between a domicile and a temporary residence? Shame on you.

Once again—that's just one judge's opinion, not the official ruling of the Supreme Court.
And once again, your problem is you don't understand the difference between a dissenting opinion and an actual Supreme Court ruling that carries legal weight—or lack thereof.

Did I say it was a Supreme Court ruling? No. But I read up on it, and from what I see, there is absolutely zero legal basis for what's happening here.

You don't even live in Italy, because if you did, you wouldn't be singing the same song. What kind of argument is that?

Brilliant argument. You live in a major city like Chicago and actually have no clue what life is like for people in some tiny rural township out in the middle of nowhere that you couldn't even find on a map.

So, maybe come down to earth for a second.

You're right, that's on me. I slipped up by getting the residency details wrong. The whole conversation really kicked off because of that one girl who hadn't updated her address in five years—she was just waiting until after the wedding to make it official.

Did I say that was a ruling from the Supreme Court? No, I didn't. But I’ve been digging through all the info on this, reading up on everything related to the situation, and honestly, from what I can see, there just isn't any legal basis whatsoever for what's happening right now.

You're claiming that restricting movement is unconstitutional, and you're leaning on Judge Abramović's opinion to back it up. Honestly, that doesn't really prove your point.
It’s just like when you claim you’ve read "everything on the subject." You really haven't. If you had actually sat down and looked through the Communicable Disease Act—which I’m pretty certain you didn't even know existed, much like most people out there—you would have realized that restricting movement is one of the security measures explicitly permitted under the law.
Look, just because a few of you have actually picked up the Constitution and skimmed through a couple of articles doesn't mean that movement restrictions during an epidemic are unconstitutional.

That’s a pretty solid point. You’re living in Washington, D.C., and honestly, you probably don't have a clue what life is actually like for people out in those small towns somewhere in the Midwest—places you couldn't even find on a map if you tried.

So, maybe it's time to bring things back down to earth for a second.

Everything has its pros and cons. Somewhere far away, there wasn't an earthquake either. So, what now?

Casey Palmer5 said:If anyone has actually gone through the process of leaving the US, could you please write down the procedure for American citizens? Whether you were a baker or a healthcare worker—just based on what you've seen. Especially for Americans holding UK documents. We’d just head out automatically...

We have all our paperwork ready for the SIM card licenses, we have our residency permits (those fools actually moved back to the States), and our licenses are still valid. They keep reaching out to us via email...

I heard that some days, people traveling from Canada were actually sending guys back who had already started their trek toward Germany.

Nicholas King said:What part of it isn't clear?

Haven't studies shown that people aren't just leaving solely because of the money—it might not even be the primary driver?

The real issue here, if you ask me, is a government that basically rolls out the red carpet for people to live, work, and pay their taxes abroad while still taking advantage of our domestic healthcare system. That kind of state negligence is something I will simply never understand.

A colleague of mine over in Ireland wrote yesterday, more or less saying, "I won't be coming back because I don't pay taxes in America." I can't say I've ever heard an example of such blatant integrity before. I'm not saying those people don't exist, obviously, but I certainly haven't heard them.

They actually started tidying all that up last year—basically sorting out who lives where and making sure everyone is registered for their health insurance correctly.

coastalwalker9 said:The documentation states you can request it via email and print it out yourself. Plus, there's a mobile version coming since it includes a QR code for scanning on your phone.

Could someone help me out here? Can I still do this through email after April 6th? I don't have an eCitizen account, and honestly, I'm pretty lost with all this tech stuff.