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Samuel Barrett33 said:Alright, thanks. I appreciate that. Quick follow-up question though, because I was reading about this the other day while waiting for my coffee at Starbucks—how much weight does an American recovery certificate actually carry for someone who hasn't been vaccinated?
mellowskipper said:Six months. Though, if you’ve been exposed, I think you're supposed to head into a clinic after four months... at least, that’s how it was explained to me.
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Joseph Rivera75 said:With 18,000 positive cases (based on PCR and rapid tests at the doctor, not those cheap home kits), nobody is even bothering to call you.
Epidemiologists are out here sending notices to schools and daycares a full week late.
Your family doctor should be the one calling the shots on quarantine, but they're basically washing their hands of it. They claim it's not their job, they don't know the current rules, or they're just too terrified of angry patients breathing down their necks...
Unfortunately, people who actually need to be isolating are just wandering around everywhere.
It's a total mess with people living unvaccinated in households with sick family members. They don't seem to grasp that their isolation doesn't end when the sick person is done; it ends 10 days after the last contact. And that last contact counts as Day Zero (so, say, 7 days of isolation for the patient plus another 10, since nobody in the house actually stays isolated—everyone just hangs out with the sick person the whole time).
The logic is that people with three doses clear the virus from their mucous membranes faster. They carry less of it, so they aren't contagious for as long and don't get hit as hard.
Same answer as before. Lower viral load, faster clearance. If the illness is mild and symptoms are gone, they're considered non-contagious after 7 days.
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They go to work while symptomatic because they're irresponsible or just uninformed.> agathos says: >>
And why don't vaccinated people have to quarantine after being exposed, or go to work even when people at home are sick with COVID—especially when some of them feel crappy and head into the office anyway?
Regarding the first part of the question—
It’s the same answer as the previous two questions, plus there's the whole push to promote vaccination.
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It's not necessary. You're assumed non-contagious once the required isolation period passes and you're symptom-free, like no more fever.> agathos says: >>
Also, is it necessary to test again once quarantine is over? If not, how can anyone actually know if the person isn't contagious anymore?
Healthcare workers get tested before heading back to work.
They're required to wear an N95 if they're vaccinated and were exposed, and they end up doing multiple tests anyway.
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I have so many questions and things are just unclear... I work with people, I have to go to their homes, and I'm hearing all sorts of stuff that makes zero sense anymore. Honestly, seeing how people act and the nonsensical decisions being made, I feel like just staying home and working remotely indefinitely.👎>
No need to stress about Omicron. Omicron is basically just respiratory congestion right now (a cold is a cold without a fever; respiratory congestion is a cold plus a fever).
If you're worried, you can always just wear an N95 when dealing with people.
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How much can I realistically push someone who’s already vaccinated or recovered to take a test? Like, if I show them my own negative result first just to make it fair, is that even okay?
Bad news: you don't have any leverage to demand a test. Plus, getting one is a total headache anyway—they're pricey and hard to find when you actually need them.
Just tell them they need to wear a mask. And you
should probably stick to an N95 if you're that worried.
Austin Garcia said:Since when has it been this way? I personally reached out to my kids' teachers to let them know they tested positive on a home kit and wouldn't be coming in, mentioning that we still need to schedule their official PCR appointments. My school told me that was more than enough information and put them in isolation immediately, even before the official results came back. As for the health department, they haven't reached out to us at all, so I can hardly imagine they've contacted the schools either...
Austin Garcia said:Since when has it been this way? I personally reached out to my kids' teachers to let them know they tested positive on a home kit and wouldn't be coming in, mentioning that we still need to schedule their official PCR appointments. My school told me that was more than enough information and put them in isolation immediately, even before the official results came back. As for the health department, they haven't reached out to us at all, so I can hardly imagine they've contacted the schools either...
Joseph Rivera75 said:Exactly. If multiple kids test positive, they set up remote learning and send the list to the doctor (school nurse or the local health authority)... but they don't just unilaterally mandate isolation.
To an outsider, it might seem the same, but it's factually wrong to say a school can just decide who goes into isolation.
A teacher, a daycare provider, or a nurse doesn't have the power to dictate isolation or "put" a whole class under quarantine.
They can accept a student's excuse for being absent.
And they can recommend staying home if several students report positive tests and arrange for online classes.
But everything the school does is coordinated with the school nurse or the public health official, who is the one actually deciding if the entire class needs to isolate.
The school gives the health official a list of students present during the exposure window and then emails the decision regarding isolation back to the parents.
To a layman, it probably doesn't matter who calls the shots, but rules are rules.
And isolation isn't just some vague concept like "not showing up" to school and doing things online. You might do remote learning because your classmates are stuck at home testing positive, but you could still be officially ordered into isolation by the health department.
If you're in official isolation, you're stuck at home, in your room, by yourself—unless we're talking about a toddler.
That's where the paradox hits. A health official can't legally mandate official isolation based on a home test; they can only do that once there's an official PCR or rapid test from a clinic. And everyone knows how long you have to wait for a PCR (though the clinic's rapid test is faster).
Joseph Rivera75 said:Exactly. If multiple kids test positive, they set up remote learning and send the list to the doctor (school nurse or the local health authority)... but they don't just unilaterally mandate isolation.
To an outsider, it might seem the same, but it's factually wrong to say a school can just decide who goes into isolation.
A teacher, a daycare provider, or a nurse doesn't have the power to dictate isolation or "put" a whole class under quarantine.
They can accept a student's excuse for being absent.
And they can recommend staying home if several students report positive tests and arrange for online classes.
But everything the school does is coordinated with the school nurse or the public health official, who is the one actually deciding if the entire class needs to isolate.
The school gives the health official a list of students present during the exposure window and then emails the decision regarding isolation back to the parents.
To a layman, it probably doesn't matter who calls the shots, but rules are rules.
And isolation isn't just some vague concept like "not showing up" to school and doing things online. You might do remote learning because your classmates are stuck at home testing positive, but you could still be officially ordered into isolation by the health department.
If you're in official isolation, you're stuck at home, in your room, by yourself—unless we're talking about a toddler.
That's where the paradox hits. A health official can't legally mandate official isolation based on a home test; they can only do that once there's an official PCR or rapid test from a clinic. And everyone knows how long you have to wait for a PCR (though the clinic's rapid test is faster).
Austin Garcia said:It all sounds quite lovely when you put it that way, and the official government websites explain everything perfectly, detailing exactly how it should work and who holds the authority...
But I am speaking from my own experience. I reached out to let them know my children wouldn't be coming in because of a positive home test, promising to update them once our doctor provided the official PCR results. They responded by saying the school trusts parents and would treat a positive home test as an official case immediately. Then, they sent almost the entire class into isolation, except for those who had recovered within the last four months. They mentioned the PCR was mostly for our own records... and honestly, it just didn't feel right...
In any case, the school nurse is the one who officially mandated the isolation, likely just taking my word for it. As I mentioned before, no one ever called us or formally notified us of an isolation order, so I highly doubt they even contacted the school or our other contacts...
It feels so disorganized and unnecessary, especially since my child has been sent home to isolate multiple times just for being a contact at school...
It really lacks any sense of order or proper organization...
Austin Garcia said:It all sounds quite lovely when you put it that way, and the official government websites explain everything perfectly, detailing exactly how it should work and who holds the authority...
But I am speaking from my own experience. I reached out to let them know my children wouldn't be coming in because of a positive home test, promising to update them once our doctor provided the official PCR results. They responded by saying the school trusts parents and would treat a positive home test as an official case immediately. Then, they sent almost the entire class into isolation, except for those who had recovered within the last four months. They mentioned the PCR was mostly for our own records... and honestly, it just didn't feel right...
In any case, the school nurse is the one who officially mandated the isolation, likely just taking my word for it. As I mentioned before, no one ever called us or formally notified us of an isolation order, so I highly doubt they even contacted the school or our other contacts...
It feels so disorganized and unnecessary, especially since my child has been sent home to isolate multiple times just for being a contact at school...
It really lacks any sense of order or proper organization...
Austin Garcia said:It all sounds quite lovely when you put it that way, and the official government websites explain everything perfectly, detailing exactly how it should work and who holds the authority...
But I am speaking from my own experience. I reached out to let them know my children wouldn't be coming in because of a positive home test, promising to update them once our doctor provided the official PCR results. They responded by saying the school trusts parents and would treat a positive home test as an official case immediately. Then, they sent almost the entire class into isolation, except for those who had recovered within the last four months. They mentioned the PCR was mostly for our own records... and honestly, it just didn't feel right...
In any case, the school nurse is the one who officially mandated the isolation, likely just taking my word for it. As I mentioned before, no one ever called us or formally notified us of an isolation order, so I highly doubt they even contacted the school or our other contacts...
It feels so disorganized and unnecessary, especially since my child has been sent home to isolate multiple times just for being a contact at school...
It really lacks any sense of order or proper organization...
Alex Roberts4 said:This is what they've done to us: It's not "official isolation," but the kid isn't allowed in school. I mean, where am I supposed to take them? Who decides this? Where is it written down? If there isn't remote learning available, they won't let them work from home, but if it's not an official medical isolation order, there's no basis for sick leave. So, what is the teacher supposed to decide? What right does she have to tell kids, "Stay locked up and wait"? There are real consequences to this that clearly nobody is thinking about... What happens to a parent who can't justify an absence because they can't just leave a little kid home alone? Not to mention the paperwork... This matters to me! If there's no online option, where am I? If it's not an official mandate, where am I supposed to be? I have to justify this to my employer. My boss won't hear a word of it. I have to prove it. Things have gotten way too out of hand.
Alex Roberts4 said:This is what they've done to us: It's not "official isolation," but the kid isn't allowed in school. I mean, where am I supposed to take them? Who decides this? Where is it written down? If there isn't remote learning available, they won't let them work from home, but if it's not an official medical isolation order, there's no basis for sick leave. So, what is the teacher supposed to decide? What right does she have to tell kids, "Stay locked up and wait"? There are real consequences to this that clearly nobody is thinking about... What happens to a parent who can't justify an absence because they can't just leave a little kid home alone? Not to mention the paperwork... This matters to me! If there's no online option, where am I? If it's not an official mandate, where am I supposed to be? I have to justify this to my employer. My boss won't hear a word of it. I have to prove it. Things have gotten way too out of hand.
urbanowl81 said:Call your doctor and explain the situation. That's what my wife did, and she got her medical leave.
It's the same stupid situation. I caught COVID, but she and our daughter didn't. Our daughter isn't vaccinated, so she has to quarantine, but since my wife is, she doesn't. At work, they're telling her to show up. She called her doctor, got sick leave, and within two days, she had symptoms—meaning she actually had COVID. If she had gone into the office, she would have infected more people.
Joseph Rivera75 said:Usually, by the time one parent speaks up, five others have already tested positive.
Only three didn't realize the kid was just running a fever or was asymptomatic, the fourth wasn't paying attention, and the fifth one finally pipes up saying they actually have a positive test.
That's why the CDC guys usually "cover" the school.
Parents aren't exactly geniuses either.
You can't take one kid who's coughing to get tested while simultaneously dropping their sibling off at school.
Then, when that second kid shows symptoms the next day, boom—an entire grade level is trashed.
We see it all the time: people stay home just long enough for the positive family member to finish isolation, then they head right back out. Five days later, they show symptoms. And once again, an entire classroom is stuck in lockdown.
Joseph Rivera75 said:Usually, by the time one parent speaks up, five others have already tested positive.
Only three didn't realize the kid was just running a fever or was asymptomatic, the fourth wasn't paying attention, and the fifth one finally pipes up saying they actually have a positive test.
That's why the CDC guys usually "cover" the school.
Parents aren't exactly geniuses either.
You can't take one kid who's coughing to get tested while simultaneously dropping their sibling off at school.
Then, when that second kid shows symptoms the next day, boom—an entire grade level is trashed.
We see it all the time: people stay home just long enough for the positive family member to finish isolation, then they head right back out. Five days later, they show symptoms. And once again, an entire classroom is stuck in lockdown.
Grace Richardson24 said:Maybe try drafting everything out first—or just put together one solid post instead? You can always go back and edit if you think of something else later.
You’ve dropped four posts in a row now, and two of them use the exact same quote.
It honestly looks a bit like you're just having a conversation with yourself—four times over.😁
Joseph Rivera75 said:Exactly. The school keeps them isolated on campus until an official diagnosis comes in just to stop the spread, but the final call actually comes from the school nurse or the CDC.
Maybe you don't care about the bureaucracy behind it,
but I really do.
Because the school janitor or the principal shouldn't be the ones deciding who goes into quarantine and when.
They track when symptoms started and which specific contacts need to be flagged.
They won't call you. The school just notifies the health department, and then they're the ones who look at when the kid first showed symptoms, define the "contact window," and send over a list of every student present during that time.
The system shows immediately who tested positive and when their symptoms kicked in.
It's all tracked.
