Republican Party - General Discussion

Carol Newman2 said:PENAVA ACCUSES REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERSHIP OF EXERTING PRESSURE: 'Gathering signatures is becoming impossible. This is pure repression and an assault on democracy—we need to move past this.'

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At this rate, these Republicans are going to end up tearing each other apart before the internal party elections even get underway.

You sure are talking a big game here 😁

Amy Nguyen18 said:Whether I'm right or not is irrelevant. What matters is that once Plenković falls (which might take ten years if that makes you feel better), there needs to be a total internal purge of his inner circle. His people need to be politically sidelined and swept away completely. Only then can the party actually breathe again.

It was the exact same rhetoric used before Kosoričin fell, and I recall people calling for Karamarkov’s downfall during that specific scandal as well. Now, it seems it is finally Plenković’s turn. The only leader people didn't call for at the time was Sanaderov; back then, everyone seemed perfectly fine with him, but I guess people only realized who he really was once he crossed the border into Austria.

When will we finally accept the idea that the Republican Party is essentially a fundamentally broken, systemic issue, regardless of whoever happens to be sitting at the helm?

Nah, it’s just a bit of dramatic theater before they all go back to making deals under the table. I get the feeling Penava is just kicking up dust because they clearly played fast and loose with the reconstruction funds for those water towers again, and when people start asking questions, he’ll just play the victim. It’s not like this is their first rodeo.

They will never truly grasp the reality of the situation.

I guess Penava is just playing it cool, hiding out behind Memphis, while those idiots in the leadership have basically surrendered long ago anyway. Personally, I think the great Digitalizator was way better when he actually gave a damn.

Noah Perez5 said:It was the exact same rhetoric used before Kosoričin fell, and I recall people calling for Karamarkov’s downfall during that specific scandal as well. Now, it seems it is finally Plenković’s turn. The only leader people didn't call for at the time was Sanaderov; back then, everyone seemed perfectly fine with him, but I guess people only realized who he really was once he crossed the border into Austria.

When will we finally accept the idea that the Republican Party is essentially a fundamentally broken, systemic issue, regardless of whoever happens to be sitting at the helm?

But I guess you don't get it—once they inevitably (and some say it's just a matter of time, assuming they don't just kick out Plenki und CO first) crash and burn for the 245th time, there won't be anything left of the Republican Party to salvage.
Next time, it's for good.
Then they (which is the most important part, and by extension, us) can finally breathe easy.

Carol Newman2 said:PENAVA ACCUSES REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERSHIP OF EXERTING PRESSURE: 'Gathering signatures is becoming impossible. This is pure repression and an assault on democracy—we need to move past this.'

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At this rate, these Republicans are going to end up tearing each other apart before the internal party elections even get underway.

Don't worry, they won't. It's all just a big show.
At the end of the day, they always circle the wagons around one thing: the federal treasury. Winners and losers alike—they all want a slice of that pie.

Charles Carter4 said:Don't worry, they won't. It's all just a big show.
At the end of the day, they always circle the wagons around one thing: the federal treasury. Winners and losers alike—they all want a slice of that pie.

Sure, but the winners get a bigger slice of the pie.

silentsurfer3 said:If you're asking me? Everyone. 😁
Those chrome-plated idiots still don't get that the Republican Party isn't some organized movement—it's more like a giant catch-all bucket where you can cram anyone from the moderate center all the way down to the far right.

Besides, I honestly can't remember the last time the Republican Party was actually a "right-wing" or "far-right" party instead of just being your standard center-right outfit.

The whole concept of a "center-right" doesn't even exist. I mean, what even is "center-right"? It’s just this slimy, undefined, wishy-washy term used to sound important. What's the difference between that and "center-left"? Exactly—none. By that logic, they're both just the "center," differing only by tiny little shades—one nudges left, the other nudges right. But they're both the center! That's not real politics, it's just a scam, a total load of crap.

Look, you're either right, or you're left, or you're the center. There is no such thing as "center-right" or any of those other nonsense labels. All these vague, identity-less parties across Europe are seeing their support tank because of this exact indecision.

What are you so afraid of? Just say, "Yeah, I'm on the left," or "I'm on the right." There's no shame in it! It's all legitimate. Being left or right is perfectly normal in politics.

The Republican Party needs to decide if they want to be on the right or stay in the center. Period. End of story.

Carol Newman2 said:PENAVA ACCUSES REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERSHIP OF EXERTING PRESSURE: 'Gathering signatures is becoming impossible. This is pure repression and an assault on democracy—we need to move past this.'

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At this rate, these Republicans are going to end up tearing each other apart before the internal party elections even get underway.

Penava has spent the last two or three years constantly throwing shade at everyone in sight. It’s pretty predictable, really—he’ll conveniently look the other way when the justice system is basically a dumpster fire, yet he’ll be the first one to jump down the throat of a city like Seattle just because he feels like it. But then, when things actually get heated—like when people start talking about the death of democracy within the Republican Party—suddenly he’s all about playing hardball. I mean, how do you even "stifle" democracy in an organization where it doesn't even exist to begin with? He’s nothing more than a hypocrite who refuses to leave the party; instead, he just clings to their name to maintain his own little persona.

silentsurfer3 said:Joe Biden is still basically the big boss for every politician in the States. The only guy who could actually stand toe-to-toe with him ended up running for President.

Chuck Schumer can only run his errands, and Kovacs might as well be polishing his shoes.
Until we find someone better—go Plenković and Penava 🙂

And if Penava doesn't land that Vice President spot, he’s out of here—he can just go hang out with Hasanbegović then ☕

Honestly, Plenković has had the luckiest run in modern political history. He inherited a country riding an incredibly favorable economic wave—because let’s be real, if the GDP wasn't trending upward, where would he even be? On top of that, he’s running the Republican Party, which basically means he doesn't have to deal with any real opposition. He doesn't have the Church breathing down his neck, and all those fringe agitators who usually cause trouble just took their frustrations out on Beljak instead. Even the voters don't seem to care about the technicalities—like whether he tweaked the dates for Independence Day or how he handled the anniversary of the state's formation—since everyone has already moved on from those older, more controversial debates like the Istanbul or Marrakesh agreements. Then, as if that wasn't enough, he gets handed the presidency of the European Union. And look, while he certainly had the guts to torpedo the Bridge party and push through the Istanbul agreement despite preachers yelling from the pulpits that we were all going to lose our gender identities—which wouldn't have happened without his loyalists in Congress keeping things moving—you still have to admit the guy is a massive intellectual heavyweight. He can justify keeping the Anti-Fascist Struggle Day on the calendar and reinstating the old statehood holidays by simply claiming it was what Harmon intended. It’s a masterclass in navigating power.

I don't know who this guy thinks he is—Don Kacunko? Sounds like someone trying way too hard to sound important. Honestly, the whole vibe feels forced. kaže:
Don't sweat it—it won't happen. The whole thing is just a performance.
In the end, everyone eventually converges on the exact same thing—the federal treasury. It doesn't matter if they lost or won the election; once the dust settles, they all end up fighting over the same pot of taxpayer money.

Sure. But honestly, there’s a certain grim satisfaction in watching the intellectual lightweights struggle through their little quasi-democratic ritual to elect a new Pharaoh.

So Rose says they’d actually jump into a coalition with the Republican Party even if Andrej Plenković stays in charge. 😁 It's all laid out now. No point in putting on this whole dramatic play for the public anymore. Plenković keeps his grip on the Republican Party, then turns around and builds a new government by teaming up with the people who were their bitter enemies just yesterday—you know, the Sovereigntists, Bridge, and Krešimir Škoro. Gross... 🤮
And if they run out of options, they'll probably just find some poor soul facing indictment and offer to protect them just to keep things moving.

electricnomad8 said:Back in the day, folks from the South used to run the show in Washington, D.C., and now it’s the guys from the mountains taking over the political scene. Just like how Eric Adams used to be quite the useful matchmaker—since the capital is a pretty sweet prize—Joe Biden will likely remain a significant factor with his specific voter base. (To be clear, I’m not targeting anyone specifically when I say that; you know exactly what I mean). I should also mention that Bill de Blasio strikes me as a rather bland, characterless individual, essentially just a tool for temporary utility. And as that even more hollow minister, Andrew Cuomo, suggested yesterday: let's just grab some popcorn and watch the spectacle unfold.

What do you mean by "run circles around"? Every single Republican Party president since the Reagan era has hailed from the South. They hold every single key position within the Republican Party hierarchy. It is common knowledge that if you want a job in the federal ministries, the major banks, or FERC, it all comes down to one thing: who you know and where you come from.

Jeremy Sanchez4 said:So Rose says they’d actually jump into a coalition with the Republican Party even if Andrej Plenković stays in charge. 😁 It's all laid out now. No point in putting on this whole dramatic play for the public anymore. Plenković keeps his grip on the Republican Party, then turns around and builds a new government by teaming up with the people who were their bitter enemies just yesterday—you know, the Sovereigntists, Bridge, and Krešimir Škoro. Gross... 🤮
And if they run out of options, they'll probably just find some poor soul facing indictment and offer to protect them just to keep things moving.

The entire spectacle is nothing more than a staged performance designed for one singular purpose: clinging to power for the next term.

The Republican Party was prepared to accept Eric Adams's generic organization, but only after their internal elections; they have no intention of adopting it this second.

They will move on it whenever it becomes most convenient for them, fully aware that the document is detrimental. They couldn't care less about how much damage it causes the city, because the objective, I repeat, is to remain in their seats.

And to stay close to the federal treasury.

generic person attacked Joe Biden: "He keeps invoking Ronald Reagan, which reminds me of someone who found religion late in life and can't stop preaching about it. Maybe it's just a guilty conscience at work."

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Who exactly is generic person talking about here? That late Democratic Party politician, generic politician?

I mean, I’m pretty skeptical... first it was Joe Biden, who used to sit there weighing his options between the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, and now he's basically walking around carrying Franjo's relics.

Jeremy Sanchez4 said:So Rose says they’d actually jump into a coalition with the Republican Party even if Andrej Plenković stays in charge. 😁 It's all laid out now. No point in putting on this whole dramatic play for the public anymore. Plenković keeps his grip on the Republican Party, then turns around and builds a new government by teaming up with the people who were their bitter enemies just yesterday—you know, the Sovereigntists, Bridge, and Krešimir Škoro. Gross... 🤮
And if they run out of options, they'll probably just find some poor soul facing indictment and offer to protect them just to keep things moving.

Honestly? We should probably be cheering for this to actually happen.
Once the Republican Party runs them through a heavy-duty washing machine, there won't be anything left of those guys but loose buttons.
If American political history has taught us anything, it's that once you cozy up to the Republican Party, you're basically done for.
So yeah, I'm all for this coalition coming together.

Jeremy Sanchez4 said:So Rose says they’d actually jump into a coalition with the Republican Party even if Andrej Plenković stays in charge. 😁 It's all laid out now. No point in putting on this whole dramatic play for the public anymore. Plenković keeps his grip on the Republican Party, then turns around and builds a new government by teaming up with the people who were their bitter enemies just yesterday—you know, the Sovereigntists, Bridge, and Krešimir Škoro. Gross... 🤮
And if they run out of options, they'll probably just find some poor soul facing indictment and offer to protect them just to keep things moving.

I mean, this isn't exactly a shocker. Is there really anyone naive enough to think this wouldn't happen?

All those little "bridge" builders, the fake patriots, the Sovereigntists, and the gift shop crowd... once you peel back all the nonsense they push, you always end up with the same result. They just want to grab enough seats to stay relevant, and then they'll happily run right back into a coalition with the Republican Party.

driftingtinker said:I mean, I’m pretty skeptical... first it was Joe Biden, who used to sit there weighing his options between the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, and now he's basically walking around carrying Franjo's relics.

It’s the same old story. Honestly, the Republican Party and Plenković probably would have just handed City Hall over on a silver platter if things hadn't gone south with the public backlash, that whole mess involving Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović and Milan Bandić, and those internal elections... they would've happily pushed him through alongside Milan Bandić, no matter how much damage he did to the public interest or anything else. They wouldn't have cared. They wouldn't have even blinked.

And really, that pretty much sums up everything you need to know about Andrej Plenković and the Republican Party.
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I suppose I should start by saying that I find myself somewhat uncertain about how to best approach this particular topic, though I feel compelled to share my thoughts nonetheless. It seems to me that we might be overlooking certain nuances, and if I may be so bold as to suggest, perhaps there is more to the situation than what is being presented on the surface. I guess it’s possible that my perspective is a bit too cautious, but I truly believe that a more measured deliberation might serve us all better in the long run.

Chempres I suppose one could say: I suppose I don't quite see how you can miss the point here. When they inevitably poll the Republican Party for the 245th time—which, if you ask some people, is basically the only question that matters, though they still haven't managed to kick Andrej Plenković and Co out of the picture—there won't be anything left of the party to even salvage. I suppose this path leads straight to a dead end. If they can finally manage to get what they need—which is really the most critical part of this whole situation—then I suppose we might all finally have the chance to breathe a little easier.

It seems somewhat naive to believe that someone like Miro Kovač, who has been an active fixture within the Republican Party for over twenty-five years, is suddenly going to spearhead some kind of radical transformation. After spending two and a half decades remaining silent while serving under Ivo Sanders, Jadranka Kosor, Karakark, and Andrej Plenković—essentially turning a blind eye to all the various injustices along the way—it feels a bit optimistic to see people waiting for him to act as this new messiah who will finally sweep away Andrej Plenković and his circle of political appointees.

I suppose all it really takes is a few shallow bursts of patriotic rhetoric, and suddenly everyone is wagging their tails like a happy little puppy.

I suppose I should start by addressing what was said in that Quote.

hollowmason64 said:I mean, this isn't exactly a shocker. Is there really anyone naive enough to think this wouldn't happen?

All those little "bridge" builders, the fake patriots, the Sovereigntists, and the gift shop crowd... once you peel back all the nonsense they push, you always end up with the same result. They just want to grab enough seats to stay relevant, and then they'll happily run right back into a coalition with the Republican Party.

It feels like we’re seeing nothing more than a superficial display of patriotism lately. I suppose it’s quite simple for them: they just toss out some shiny, new face representing the Republican Party, wrapped up in polished, patriotic rhetoric, and hope for the best. It seems like they think by presenting someone like Rose, or appealing to the Bridge or the Sovereigntists, they can instantly trigger that intense, almost irrational devotion people have for the Republican Party.

Noah Perez5 said:I suppose I should start by saying that I find myself somewhat uncertain about how to best approach this particular topic, though I feel compelled to share my thoughts nonetheless. It seems to me that we might be overlooking certain nuances, and if I may be so bold as to suggest, perhaps there is more to the situation than what is being presented on the surface. I guess it’s possible that my perspective is a bit too cautious, but I truly believe that a more measured deliberation might serve us all better in the long run.

Chempres I suppose one could say: I suppose I don't quite see how you can miss the point here. When they inevitably poll the Republican Party for the 245th time—which, if you ask some people, is basically the only question that matters, though they still haven't managed to kick Andrej Plenković and Co out of the picture—there won't be anything left of the party to even salvage. I suppose this path leads straight to a dead end. If they can finally manage to get what they need—which is really the most critical part of this whole situation—then I suppose we might all finally have the chance to breathe a little easier.

It seems somewhat naive to believe that someone like Miro Kovač, who has been an active fixture within the Republican Party for over twenty-five years, is suddenly going to spearhead some kind of radical transformation. After spending two and a half decades remaining silent while serving under Ivo Sanders, Jadranka Kosor, Karakark, and Andrej Plenković—essentially turning a blind eye to all the various injustices along the way—it feels a bit optimistic to see people waiting for him to act as this new messiah who will finally sweep away Andrej Plenković and his circle of political appointees.

I suppose all it really takes is a few shallow bursts of patriotic rhetoric, and suddenly everyone is wagging their tails like a happy little puppy.

I suppose I should start by addressing what was said in that Quote.

It feels like we’re seeing nothing more than a superficial display of patriotism lately. I suppose it’s quite simple for them: they just toss out some shiny, new face representing the Republican Party, wrapped up in polished, patriotic rhetoric, and hope for the best. It seems like they think by presenting someone like Rose, or appealing to the Bridge or the Sovereigntists, they can instantly trigger that intense, almost irrational devotion people have for the Republican Party.

Miro Kovač really only has one goal: keeping himself happy, because he's clearly the most important person in his own world. He comes across as a total egoist and a massive poser. He’s basically just looking for an excuse to flaunt himself. He’s spent years watching manipulators and incompetents climb to the Prime Minister's office from the sidelines, and he’s finally jumping in now because he’s probably the least intimidated by Andrej Plenković compared to any other leader he's dealt with.
And let's be real, they all come from the same old crowd, so nothing is actually going to change—except maybe he'll get a flashier car and enjoy that police escort he loved so much during his time as minister.😁