Christian vs. Eastern Meditation: Similarities and Differences!

bluemason3 said:Etymology and root similarity are essentially the same thing, and there's no connection here. Also, for what it's worth, neither of those things has anything to do with consciousness.

The total number of sounds and combinations we can actually make is limited. It's inevitable that different languages will end up with words that sound alike, even when there's zero connection in their Etymology or meaning.

Trying to find meaning where none exists is just a pattern-seeking human reflex—kind of like seeing faces in the clouds or thinking you see heads in the grass. Making these easy leaps without any solid ground just creates unnecessary mental clutter.

There is no "subjective truth" in this. Facts don't care about our personal opinions.

I’m not saying you aren't right—I’m well aware of the meanings and origins for both—but I allow myself to look beyond those rigid boundaries. You know, intuitively. And I don't think I'm any less correct than you or some linguist; it’s not like I’m just making stuff up because I’m uninformed or "dreaming of whatever suits me"... I just don't feel burdened by the need to draw every single conclusion strictly from a scientific standpoint.🙂

What I meant was more about the fact that, for me, both Chris and Krishna represent consciousness—regardless of their linguistic roots or where the words actually come from.

Facts don't depend on personal opinions, but you're free to choose your own angle of approach. Personally, I find it far too limiting to view everything exclusively through the lens of linguistics.

Zachary Cox69 said:Think if you want.
They worship someone who isn't God, chanting "Hare Hare ...." through neighborhoods and streets.
They give up all sorts of foods that God provided for us to eat—not to mention a lot of couples giving up sex.
If those people seem normal to you, then something is definitely off.

So, what does actual Christianity say about this? Is it really okay to just go around insulting and spitting on everyone else?

David Vaughn75 said:So, what does actual Christianity say about this? Is it really okay to just go around insulting and spitting on everyone else?

You call that spitting on someone?
If someone is heading down the wrong path, let them go—let them crash. If they want to follow a false God, let them. If some nonsense starts preaching stuff like "don't have sex in marriage, just hold back," fine, let them believe it. If they think something isn't a sin when it actually is—like refusing to eat meat—let them be.
Look, if something stinks, you say it stinks. You don't tell someone it smells great just because their nose is broken.
Or if they're blind, let them walk their own way, even if they end up walking straight off a cliff.
Even within Christianity, you find spiritual wreckage and total nonsense—look at suicide bombers in Islam, for instance. Are we allowed to condemn that?

Of course. You see, nobody is stopping you from following those blatant lies peddled by some obscure, perverse Middle Eastern sect—one full of occultism and even cannibalistic undertones. It’s a group responsible for an incredible amount of evil, violence, and the gross abuse of power... 🤷

Zachary Cox69 said:You call that spitting on someone?
If someone is heading down the wrong path, let them go—let them crash. If they want to follow a false God, let them. If some nonsense starts preaching stuff like "don't have sex in marriage, just hold back," fine, let them believe it. If they think something isn't a sin when it actually is—like refusing to eat meat—let them be.
Look, if something stinks, you say it stinks. You don't tell someone it smells great just because their nose is broken.
Or if they're blind, let them walk their own way, even if they end up walking straight off a cliff.
Even within Christianity, you find spiritual wreckage and total nonsense—look at suicide bombers in Islam, for instance. Are we allowed to condemn that?

You aren't "letting them go"—you're just calling them crazy. That’s what spitting on them actually looks like.

bluemason3 said:Of course. You see, nobody is stopping you from following those blatant lies peddled by some obscure, perverse Middle Eastern sect—one full of occultism and even cannibalistic undertones. It’s a group responsible for an incredible amount of evil, violence, and the gross abuse of power... 🤷

But look at this clown—he actually claims suicide is a major issue within Islam, and then turns around and acts like they aren't out there disrespecting everyone else.

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

goldenjackal6 said:So, basically, it's just like how almost every major religion started out—as some fringe cult for weirdos. Fair enough.

Every single religion is a simplification of much larger, more complex themes.

Like what? Give me an example.

They aren't "weakened," they're suppressed, and any little trigger is going to send them right back to their default settings.

Psychology.

What else is there to talk about when you're discussing pineal gland manipulation? Its main job is pumping out melatonin, plain and simple.

First off, you really need to learn how to tell the difference between a hallucination caused by psychosis and a superiority complex stemming from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

People dealing with psychotic hallucinations and delusions of grandeur usually end up totally isolated, often ending up homeless on the streets. On the flip side, narcissistic individuals with a superiority complex are master manipulators—they gather people around them and put themselves right at the center of everything just to feed that pathological hunger for attention.

The production of dopamine and serotonin has absolutely zero connection to the pineal gland. Spreading misinformation like that makes it pretty hard to take any of your critiques seriously.

Not necessarily. But most people who aggressively push themselves into positions of authority are driven by a pathological need to be "above" everyone else and stay in the spotlight. That isn't just limited to Hinduism; it happens everywhere.

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Wait, so do they have to open all their chakras before they start trying to raise Kundalini? 🤣
Just because you see a ton of YouTube videos where people claim they’re being abducted by aliens and probed doesn't mean those claims actually hold any water... It's the same thing here. Just because these folks aren't getting snatched up by UFOs, it doesn't mean they're actually raising Kundalini either. People just love slapping fancy spiritual terms on their own hallucinations or whatever is going on in their heads.

neonmarlin39 said:Wait, so do they have to open all their chakras before they start trying to raise Kundalini? 🤣
Just because you see a ton of YouTube videos where people claim they’re being abducted by aliens and probed doesn't mean those claims actually hold any water... It's the same thing here. Just because these folks aren't getting snatched up by UFOs, it doesn't mean they're actually raising Kundalini either. People just love slapping fancy spiritual terms on their own hallucinations or whatever is going on in their heads.

I don't know, man—to me, chakras act more like psychological blueprints, right? Like, they're just descriptions of what actually matters at different levels—starting from the base stuff and working up to those higher-level vibes tied to self-actualization. And if you follow the logic of how life actually works, you've gotta sort out the foundation first... handle the lower stuff before you even try to step back and look at the big picture of where you're headed...
Is there even any actual proof that chakras exist? Honestly, I don't think so... whereas when you talk about Kundalini—Shakti, if we're being technical—there’s real evidence just by looking at people who have actually achieved it... and besides, you can pretty much verify the reality of those effects for yourself if you actually try it...

I can't believe I'm even seeing this... but apparently, some people really love to dwell on the past—as if that actually changes anything today. It’s just exhausting, honestly. We should be looking forward, not stuck in some outdated mindset that doesn't apply to how things work here in America anymore. Anyway, whatever...

neonmarlin39 said:Wait, so do they have to open all their chakras before they start trying to raise Kundalini? 🤣
Just because you see a ton of YouTube videos where people claim they’re being abducted by aliens and probed doesn't mean those claims actually hold any water... It's the same thing here. Just because these folks aren't getting snatched up by UFOs, it doesn't mean they're actually raising Kundalini either. People just love slapping fancy spiritual terms on their own hallucinations or whatever is going on in their heads.

Look, there are actual accounts out there from people who completely lost it after trying to force that Kundalini stuff... we're talking people ending up in psychiatric wards because they totally trashed their neurotransmitter balance—specifically dopamine...

You can see for yourself through the internships—if you actually bother to do them—that they work... and like, pretty damn fast too...

I’ve got a buddy who’s a Kundalini yoga instructor over in New York City, so I actually know exactly what I'm talking about...
I mean, come to think of it, Nikola Tesla actually said that Kundalini yoga is what wakes up those dormant, powerful psychic energies...

Look, you might want to push back on his claims—especially that whole "aliens are kidnapping people" nonsense from that one forum... honestly, it's just pure delusion...

Zachary Cox69 said:Think if you want.
They worship someone who isn't God, chanting "Hare Hare ...." through neighborhoods and streets.
They give up all sorts of foods that God provided for us to eat—not to mention a lot of couples giving up sex.
If those people seem normal to you, then something is definitely off.

Jesus never touched pork; he stuck strictly to kosher laws. Same goes for his buddies right up until Peter, when God told him, "Go ahead, butcher and eat anything!"

And plenty of married couples still hook up.

Just like Mary and Joseph, the eternal engaged couple from those old stories.

If they think that's normal, there's definitely something wrong with them.

👍
Nailed it.

lonestag15 said:I don't know, man—to me, chakras act more like psychological blueprints, right? Like, they're just descriptions of what actually matters at different levels—starting from the base stuff and working up to those higher-level vibes tied to self-actualization. And if you follow the logic of how life actually works, you've gotta sort out the foundation first... handle the lower stuff before you even try to step back and look at the big picture of where you're headed...
Is there even any actual proof that chakras exist? Honestly, I don't think so... whereas when you talk about Kundalini—Shakti, if we're being technical—there’s real evidence just by looking at people who have actually achieved it... and besides, you can pretty much verify the reality of those effects for yourself if you actually try it...

I can't believe I'm even seeing this... but apparently, some people really love to dwell on the past—as if that actually changes anything today. It’s just exhausting, honestly. We should be looking forward, not stuck in some outdated mindset that doesn't apply to how things work here in America anymore. Anyway, whatever...

Look, there are actual accounts out there from people who completely lost it after trying to force that Kundalini stuff... we're talking people ending up in psychiatric wards because they totally trashed their neurotransmitter balance—specifically dopamine...

You can see for yourself through the internships—if you actually bother to do them—that they work... and like, pretty damn fast too...

I’ve got a buddy who’s a Kundalini yoga instructor over in New York City, so I actually know exactly what I'm talking about...
I mean, come to think of it, Nikola Tesla actually said that Kundalini yoga is what wakes up those dormant, powerful psychic energies...

Look, you might want to push back on his claims—especially that whole "aliens are kidnapping people" nonsense from that one forum... honestly, it's just pure delusion...

You've been played. Unknown Nikola Tesla never said or wrote anything like that.
Don't waste your time on tabloid trash like this:

"Your followers are upset that you're attacking the theory of relativity."

(Fake) interview with Nikola Tesla from 1899.
http://www.tesla2017.com/intervju/

theory of relativity
Albert Einstein published The theory of special relativity in 1905

Nikola Tesla, man, every single idiot on the internet tries to twist his words just to force an argument that was dead on arrival anyway. Relying on authority to win a debate is such a massive logical fallacy to begin with. You throw in some fake quotes, and suddenly you’ve got a delusion wrapped inside another delusion. 🤣

Flying; 12/02/2019 said:Just circling back to my question... what are the actual similarities between Christian meditation and "Eastern" styles?

Zachary Cox69 said:Funny name, haha.

Zachary Cox69; 11/24/2019 said:Only an incredibly stupid person jumps to conclusions without actually digging into the topic—looking at both sides of the argument.

😂
Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.

I was just thinking about electroconvulsive therapy the other day. It’s one of those things that always gets people talking, usually because they’ve only ever seen those intense, dramatic movie scenes where everything looks like a nightmare. But honestly, if you look at the actual medical side of things here in the States, it’s a totally different conversation. It’s more nuanced than the Hollywood version makes it out to be. Just some food for thought. kaže:
Look, I’ve heard stories about people actually losing their minds from trying to force that Kundalini stuff. It's real. You see people end up in psych wards because they completely trashed their brain chemistry—we're talking total dopamine imbalances and all that.

People keep throwing out these random personal stories like they actually mean something. It’s honestly kind of wild how people try to use "I saw this" or "this happened to me" as if it counts for anything in a real philosophical or scientific debate. But that's exactly what you're doing right now—trying to build a whole case based on nothing but hearsay.

I think there might be a typo or something missing in your message—"elektrokon" doesn't really mean anything to me. You trying to talk about something specific? Hit me up with the details and I'll see what I can do. says:
A buddy of mine is actually a Kundalini yoga instructor up in New York City, so I definitely know what I'm talking about.

Honestly, anyone—I’m talking about Mary, Kit, Stephen, or even Mike—could basically become a certified instructor for Kundalini or whatever flavor of yoga you're into. All you really have to do is pay for the training course, and boom, you're good to go. It feels a bit sketchy to me when someone claims to be a "Kundalini yoga instructor." To be real, it just makes me think they're peddling some kind of nonsense (and honestly, what you're saying pretty much backs that up). No serious or traditional school actually uses the term "Kundalini yoga" like that to get started. I mean, sure, maybe Sivananda used it once in passing, but never in this specific way, and definitely never using a title like "Kundalini yoga instructor." 😁So, just tell me what kind of tradition or school this friend of yours is even running—you know, that yoga instructor you've got over in New York City. If I knew the specifics, we could actually dig into what’s going on here, like the actual philosophy behind it and what kind of practices they're pushing...

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Literally every single religion starts out that way. You can try to believe otherwise if it helps you sleep at night, but faith doesn't change the facts.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

I don't recall putting anyone on trial, biting anyone, or launching any attacks.

If you're having trouble following my logic, just ask and maybe I can break it down for you, but quit pointing fingers and calling me a witch.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Of course they don't have that, because they haven't grown into an established religion yet. Printing, advertising, and distributing brainwashing books requires a certain level of capital and logistics. Plus, there's competition actively trying to squeeze them out.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

The exact same thing was said about a certain Jewish sect that became the official religion of the Roman Empire 300 years later.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Look, you can find lies and scams all over the internet if you look hard enough.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

That's completely irrelevant.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Maybe he's an absolute authority to you because you don't understand a single thing he's saying, but to me, he's no authority whatsoever since I don't need one.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Blah blah, just a bunch of nonsense. Is this that same pineal gland again that supposedly pumps out dopamine and serotonin in your alternative reality?

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

You think you know what you're talking about, but you keep proving you have no clue.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

Quote : RobouteGuiliman

So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Doesn't matter, because I already laid this out: schizophrenia isn't the primary driver behind starting a cult of personality. Half the time, it isn't even a factor.

lonestag15 said:First off, religions didn't just pop up as fringe cults of lunatics... you're being insulting and devaluing faith again. Look, personally, I'm not even mad about it, but there’s really no need for this tone... just let people live their lives regardless of what they believe. Nobody's attacking you, so there's no reason to go looking for a fight where there isn't one. It doesn't do you any good—or anyone else, for that matter...

The thing with New Age is that it doesn't even have an official doctrine; it's just everyone throwing everything and anything into a blender, cherry-picking from other religions. And most of those specific practices that can actually be harmful are run by "experts" who nobody even knows if they follow basic rules or not...

But New Age isn't its own standalone religion; it just grabs bits and pieces from established faiths, very superficially and creates an even worse simplification.

The most direct example of a potentially dangerous practice is Kundalini rising. You can find endless videos and testimonials online about it...

Say a believer is broke—would they act purely on instinct to get money at any cost because they're desperate? Does a believer turn into a thief, or do they stick to their convictions?
Or if they're starving, would they share bread with another hungry person, or just eat everything themselves like an animal... does a believer actually share?

That’s why I told you—Echart Tolla is basically the gold standard when it comes to that whole modern psychology meets spirituality vibe... absolute authority, really.

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The whole "third eye" thing—it’s basically located right where the pineal gland sits, acting as that sixth chakra, Ajna. That's why Western culture just lumps them together as the same thing. But honestly, Kundalini isn't just about hitting that one gland—it became a synonym mostly because of where it sits in the body and how it visually mimics an actual eye. So, you can call it the pineal gland or the third eye... whatever makes more sense to you if the distinction feels a bit fuzzy...

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I know this one—no Google needed. It’s not some hallucination... just pure, unadulterated delusions of grandeur.

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Hallucinations aren't just one thing—you can see stuff, hear things, feel weird textures... there's a whole spectrum to it.
So, basically, the term "grandiosity hallucination" doesn't actually exist... what we're really talking about is an illusion—or maybe let's just call it a delusion—in terms of these totally warped and bizarre beliefs. Like, take a patient who is convinced they’re the second coming of Jesus or some kind of reincarnated deity... that's the real issue here.

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So dopamine and serotonin production is basically "opening your third eye"—there you go, making up your own scientific terms now, lol...

From a psychological standpoint, what you were (pre)scribing there is just classic narcissistic personality disorder.

And that whole "divine essence" stuff those gurus push? That’s literally a textbook case of what psychiatrists call a "grandiose delusion."

Look, this isn't just some specific issue with Hindu gurus. It's seen in anyone with heavy narcissistic disorder traits. What about Catholic priests or believers who think their every word or action is directly linked to God? It's the exact same crap—pure, pathological grandiosity.

neonmarlin39 said:

I was just thinking about electroconvulsive therapy the other day. It’s one of those things that always gets people talking, usually because they’ve only ever seen those intense, dramatic movie scenes where everything looks like a nightmare. But honestly, if you look at the actual medical side of things here in the States, it’s a totally different conversation. It’s more nuanced than the Hollywood version makes it out to be. Just some food for thought. kaže:
Look, I’ve heard stories about people actually losing their minds from trying to force that Kundalini stuff. It's real. You see people end up in psych wards because they completely trashed their brain chemistry—we're talking total dopamine imbalances and all that.

People keep throwing out these random personal stories like they actually mean something. It’s honestly kind of wild how people try to use "I saw this" or "this happened to me" as if it counts for anything in a real philosophical or scientific debate. But that's exactly what you're doing right now—trying to build a whole case based on nothing but hearsay.

I think there might be a typo or something missing in your message—"elektrokon" doesn't really mean anything to me. You trying to talk about something specific? Hit me up with the details and I'll see what I can do. says:
A buddy of mine is actually a Kundalini yoga instructor up in New York City, so I definitely know what I'm talking about.

Honestly, anyone—I’m talking about Mary, Kit, Stephen, or even Mike—could basically become a certified instructor for Kundalini or whatever flavor of yoga you're into. All you really have to do is pay for the training course, and boom, you're good to go. It feels a bit sketchy to me when someone claims to be a "Kundalini yoga instructor." To be real, it just makes me think they're peddling some kind of nonsense (and honestly, what you're saying pretty much backs that up). No serious or traditional school actually uses the term "Kundalini yoga" like that to get started. I mean, sure, maybe Sivananda used it once in passing, but never in this specific way, and definitely never using a title like "Kundalini yoga instructor." 😁So, just tell me what kind of tradition or school this friend of yours is even running—you know, that yoga instructor you've got over in New York City. If I knew the specifics, we could actually dig into what’s going on here, like the actual philosophy behind it and what kind of practices they're pushing...

http://www.yogibhajan.org/main/

The term "Kundalini Yoga" is really just one more meaningless stunt pulled by some jet-setting guru.

casualtiger2 said:

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Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.

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Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.

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Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.
Only an incredibly foolish person would try to summon spirits after reading about how dangerous it is. In that same vein, I'm not interested in Yoga or other Eastern teachings, even if they aren't quite as risky. They just don't interest me enough to dive in. Whether we trust someone or not—well, it depends on whether that person is actually worthy of our trust. To me, those things pull people away from God and wreck both the soul and the psyche. I believe the people who say that.
For example, you obviously aren't interested in Christ. You haven't studied the New Testament closely, yet you still jump into debates about Christianity. The Bible is so good and so true that I have no need for things like the Bhagavad Gita or whatever. Jesus is so incredible that I have zero interest in the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I might read a little bit about it here and there, but the idea of actually immersing myself in that nonsense never even crosses my mind. It's pretty simple—if you want to ride a horse, you aren't going to go looking for a donkey instead.

Zachary Cox69 said:😂
Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.

😂
Zachary, why even start a thread if you clearly have no clue what you're talking about?
It's pretty obvious there's no real desire to learn here—you seem totally closed off to any new perspective. You know what they say: there's no shame in not knowing something, but there's definitely shame in being too stubborn to find out.
Only an incredibly foolish person would try to summon spirits after reading about how dangerous it is. In that same vein, I'm not interested in Yoga or other Eastern teachings, even if they aren't quite as risky. They just don't interest me enough to dive in. Whether we trust someone or not—well, it depends on whether that person is actually worthy of our trust. To me, those things pull people away from God and wreck both the soul and the psyche. I believe the people who say that.
For example, you obviously aren't interested in Christ. You haven't studied the New Testament closely, yet you still jump into debates about Christianity. The Bible is so good and so true that I have no need for things like the Bhagavad Gita or whatever. Jesus is so incredible that I have zero interest in the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I might read a little bit about it here and there, but the idea of actually immersing myself in that nonsense never even crosses my mind. It's pretty simple—if you want to ride a horse, you aren't going to go looking for a donkey instead.
Only an incredibly foolish person would try to summon spirits after reading about how dangerous it is. In that same vein, I'm not interested in Yoga or other Eastern teachings, even if they aren't quite as risky. They just don't interest me enough to dive in. Whether we trust someone or not—well, it depends on whether that person is actually worthy of our trust. To me, those things pull people away from God and wreck both the soul and the psyche. I believe the people who say that.
For example, you obviously aren't interested in Christ. You haven't studied the New Testament closely, yet you still jump into debates about Christianity. The Bible is so good and so true that I have no need for things like the Bhagavad Gita or whatever. Jesus is so incredible that I have zero interest in the teachings of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I might read a little bit about it here and there, but the idea of actually immersing myself in that nonsense never even crosses my mind. It's pretty simple—if you want to ride a horse, you aren't going to go looking for a donkey instead.
Personally, what really gets under my skin about the Bible is when God orders these massive wars, wipes out infants, or calls for the killing of homosexuals and young boys—stuff like that. For me, that's definitely not "super."

You just don't get it; that's just that Jewish way of expressing things 😳 😬

bluemason3 said:http://www.yogibhajan.org/main/

The term "Kundalini Yoga" is really just one more meaningless stunt pulled by some jet-setting guru.

Actually, I don't know if I totally agree with that, because you could pretty much say the same thing about a ton of different yoga styles! Like, think about Nada yoga, Nidra yoga, Shiva yoga, and all that. If we stick to that super "rigid" logic (no pressure, obviously!), then there are basically only a handful of yogas mentioned in the Vedic texts. But honestly, this newer way of categorizing things makes it way easier to grasp what’s actually going on. For instance, Kundalini yoga is kind of similar to Raja yoga, but when people talk about Kundalini yoga, they’re mostly focusing on that specific process of moving the Kundalini upward. With Raja yoga, you’re looking at the whole package—the Yama, Niyama, Pranayama, and everything else. In the world of Kundalini yoga, it’s usually assumed that those other aspects are already checked off and good to go!