Christian vs. Eastern Meditation: Similarities and Differences!

Paul Rogers94 said:With my New Age mentor, you can't access a single technique without filling out a form that specifically asks about mental health history and heart conditions (along with the usual stuff like name, DOB, etc.). This has been the standard since the eighties, even for online sign-ups—unless it's an open lecture or public forum where anyone can attend with notice.

I've noticed you trying to dodge this question several times now... and I guarantee you that any serious teacher asks exactly these things. Believe what you want, though.

Here's a sample application form: Corporate Mindfulness

Go ahead—fill it out.

In Osho's ashrams, there were tons of people dealing with serious psychological issues (who clearly weren't filling out any damn paperwork)... you could really see how much the practitioners were struggling

As far as I can remember, it was mostly because of that practice where you shake and jump around, then scream until you finally end up standing perfectly still and silent... can't remember the exact name...

So, who's this mentor of yours? If they have a website, drop the link so I can do some digging...

lonestag15 said:Electrical engineer and an AutoCAD specialist...
So, I was looking into the technical programs over at the University of Cleveland—you know, that whole engineering scene... just thinking about how different things run compared to the math departments at places like NYU. It’s a trip...

So you’ve got all this electrical engineering expertise, but zero clue about Kundalini... now that's an interesting combo...

Remember when I told you in that one post you sounded like some English professor? And then you hit me with that whole "elementary school plus four years of high school doesn't exactly make you a professor" line... typical...

You realize you’ve used the phrase "delusions of grandeur" like ten different times now—and totally out of context, too—mixing up psychiatric terms with psychological ones... which basically proves you didn't even know what the term meant until two days ago. I mean, you literally just sent me a message about it like ten days back. You can't even get the terminology right before you just go copy-paste some random crap from the internet and call it "hallucinations of grandeur"... honestly...

You remember when I told that guy he was basically just projecting an image of God, right?
It doesn't exist because projection is just taking your own baggage and pinning it on someone else... so, honestly, when you claim that, you're really just describing yourself—the guy who’s supposedly an "expert in psychology" or whatever. Nobody can project an image of God...

So, you actually noticed that I typed "mAlEtonin" two days ago before I fixed it to "melatonin"... which pretty much confirms my theory—I didn't even know how to spell it myself, I was just Googling it on the fly...

So, you’re basically just a total disaster of a human being—a massive clown, really—who jumps into every single thread about spirituality despite having zero clue what you're actually talking about. Honestly, you've got less spiritual depth than my Pekingese... You don't know anything about religion, you don't grasp any actual form of spirituality, and you clearly don't practice a damn thing. You just hang around this forum to dump all that negativity you're clearly overflowing with...

Cut the crap—I'm seriously done with you and all this clowning around...

There was this statue of Ganesha and Vivekananda, plus a ton of stuff about old mythology—and right at the entrance, they had this whole section on the era when Tesla moved to town and his beef with Edison, along with all those technical inventions. By the exit, there was this interactive thing where you basically whack pigeons with bolts of electricity on a screen in front of you... We even got these little tablets around our necks so we could pick our own themes from the numbered exhibits...

Things were shifting around in that exhibit—stuff was being swapped out or maybe even pulled entirely. If you missed the section on Ganesha and Vivekananda, they might have already cleared it out by then... honestly though, I couldn't care less...

Don't bother commenting on any of my posts anymore—and I won't be bothering with yours either. Go find some other idiot to argue with if you really have nothing better to do with your life...

A couple of clowns...

Honestly, why even ask? What kind of connection could electrical engineering possibly have with Hindu mythology? It sounds like some wild late-night dorm room theory, right?

lonestag15 said:Electrical engineer and an AutoCAD specialist...
So, I was looking into the technical programs over at the University of Cleveland—you know, that whole engineering scene... just thinking about how different things run compared to the math departments at places like NYU. It’s a trip...

So you’ve got all this electrical engineering expertise, but zero clue about Kundalini... now that's an interesting combo...

Remember when I told you in that one post you sounded like some English professor? And then you hit me with that whole "elementary school plus four years of high school doesn't exactly make you a professor" line... typical...

You realize you’ve used the phrase "delusions of grandeur" like ten different times now—and totally out of context, too—mixing up psychiatric terms with psychological ones... which basically proves you didn't even know what the term meant until two days ago. I mean, you literally just sent me a message about it like ten days back. You can't even get the terminology right before you just go copy-paste some random crap from the internet and call it "hallucinations of grandeur"... honestly...

You remember when I told that guy he was basically just projecting an image of God, right?
It doesn't exist because projection is just taking your own baggage and pinning it on someone else... so, honestly, when you claim that, you're really just describing yourself—the guy who’s supposedly an "expert in psychology" or whatever. Nobody can project an image of God...

So, you actually noticed that I typed "mAlEtonin" two days ago before I fixed it to "melatonin"... which pretty much confirms my theory—I didn't even know how to spell it myself, I was just Googling it on the fly...

So, you’re basically just a total disaster of a human being—a massive clown, really—who jumps into every single thread about spirituality despite having zero clue what you're actually talking about. Honestly, you've got less spiritual depth than my Pekingese... You don't know anything about religion, you don't grasp any actual form of spirituality, and you clearly don't practice a damn thing. You just hang around this forum to dump all that negativity you're clearly overflowing with...

Cut the crap—I'm seriously done with you and all this clowning around...

There was this statue of Ganesha and Vivekananda, plus a ton of stuff about old mythology—and right at the entrance, they had this whole section on the era when Tesla moved to town and his beef with Edison, along with all those technical inventions. By the exit, there was this interactive thing where you basically whack pigeons with bolts of electricity on a screen in front of you... We even got these little tablets around our necks so we could pick our own themes from the numbered exhibits...

Things were shifting around in that exhibit—stuff was being swapped out or maybe even pulled entirely. If you missed the section on Ganesha and Vivekananda, they might have already cleared it out by then... honestly though, I couldn't care less...

Don't bother commenting on any of my posts anymore—and I won't be bothering with yours either. Go find some other idiot to argue with if you really have nothing better to do with your life...

A couple of clowns...

Top-tier.

lonestag15 said:Electrical engineer and an AutoCAD specialist...
So, I was looking into the technical programs over at the University of Cleveland—you know, that whole engineering scene... just thinking about how different things run compared to the math departments at places like NYU. It’s a trip...

So you’ve got all this electrical engineering expertise, but zero clue about Kundalini... now that's an interesting combo...

Remember when I told you in that one post you sounded like some English professor? And then you hit me with that whole "elementary school plus four years of high school doesn't exactly make you a professor" line... typical...

You realize you’ve used the phrase "delusions of grandeur" like ten different times now—and totally out of context, too—mixing up psychiatric terms with psychological ones... which basically proves you didn't even know what the term meant until two days ago. I mean, you literally just sent me a message about it like ten days back. You can't even get the terminology right before you just go copy-paste some random crap from the internet and call it "hallucinations of grandeur"... honestly...

You remember when I told that guy he was basically just projecting an image of God, right?
It doesn't exist because projection is just taking your own baggage and pinning it on someone else... so, honestly, when you claim that, you're really just describing yourself—the guy who’s supposedly an "expert in psychology" or whatever. Nobody can project an image of God...

So, you actually noticed that I typed "mAlEtonin" two days ago before I fixed it to "melatonin"... which pretty much confirms my theory—I didn't even know how to spell it myself, I was just Googling it on the fly...

So, you’re basically just a total disaster of a human being—a massive clown, really—who jumps into every single thread about spirituality despite having zero clue what you're actually talking about. Honestly, you've got less spiritual depth than my Pekingese... You don't know anything about religion, you don't grasp any actual form of spirituality, and you clearly don't practice a damn thing. You just hang around this forum to dump all that negativity you're clearly overflowing with...

Cut the crap—I'm seriously done with you and all this clowning around...

There was this statue of Ganesha and Vivekananda, plus a ton of stuff about old mythology—and right at the entrance, they had this whole section on the era when Tesla moved to town and his beef with Edison, along with all those technical inventions. By the exit, there was this interactive thing where you basically whack pigeons with bolts of electricity on a screen in front of you... We even got these little tablets around our necks so we could pick our own themes from the numbered exhibits...

Things were shifting around in that exhibit—stuff was being swapped out or maybe even pulled entirely. If you missed the section on Ganesha and Vivekananda, they might have already cleared it out by then... honestly though, I couldn't care less...

Don't bother commenting on any of my posts anymore—and I won't be bothering with yours either. Go find some other idiot to argue with if you really have nothing better to do with your life...

A couple of clowns...

You're tripping—you totally mashed two different exhibitions together into one.

lonestag15 said:Electrical engineer and an AutoCAD specialist...
So, I was looking into the technical programs over at the University of Cleveland—you know, that whole engineering scene... just thinking about how different things run compared to the math departments at places like NYU. It’s a trip...

So you’ve got all this electrical engineering expertise, but zero clue about Kundalini... now that's an interesting combo...

Remember when I told you in that one post you sounded like some English professor? And then you hit me with that whole "elementary school plus four years of high school doesn't exactly make you a professor" line... typical...

You realize you’ve used the phrase "delusions of grandeur" like ten different times now—and totally out of context, too—mixing up psychiatric terms with psychological ones... which basically proves you didn't even know what the term meant until two days ago. I mean, you literally just sent me a message about it like ten days back. You can't even get the terminology right before you just go copy-paste some random crap from the internet and call it "hallucinations of grandeur"... honestly...

You remember when I told that guy he was basically just projecting an image of God, right?
It doesn't exist because projection is just taking your own baggage and pinning it on someone else... so, honestly, when you claim that, you're really just describing yourself—the guy who’s supposedly an "expert in psychology" or whatever. Nobody can project an image of God...

So, you actually noticed that I typed "mAlEtonin" two days ago before I fixed it to "melatonin"... which pretty much confirms my theory—I didn't even know how to spell it myself, I was just Googling it on the fly...

So, you’re basically just a total disaster of a human being—a massive clown, really—who jumps into every single thread about spirituality despite having zero clue what you're actually talking about. Honestly, you've got less spiritual depth than my Pekingese... You don't know anything about religion, you don't grasp any actual form of spirituality, and you clearly don't practice a damn thing. You just hang around this forum to dump all that negativity you're clearly overflowing with...

Cut the crap—I'm seriously done with you and all this clowning around...

There was this statue of Ganesha and Vivekananda, plus a ton of stuff about old mythology—and right at the entrance, they had this whole section on the era when Tesla moved to town and his beef with Edison, along with all those technical inventions. By the exit, there was this interactive thing where you basically whack pigeons with bolts of electricity on a screen in front of you... We even got these little tablets around our necks so we could pick our own themes from the numbered exhibits...

Things were shifting around in that exhibit—stuff was being swapped out or maybe even pulled entirely. If you missed the section on Ganesha and Vivekananda, they might have already cleared it out by then... honestly though, I couldn't care less...

Don't bother commenting on any of my posts anymore—and I won't be bothering with yours either. Go find some other idiot to argue with if you really have nothing better to do with your life...

A couple of clowns...

Only someone who’s totally insecure and playing dishonest games would get this worked up over an argument.

lonestag15 said:Electrical engineer and an AutoCAD specialist...
So, I was looking into the technical programs over at the University of Cleveland—you know, that whole engineering scene... just thinking about how different things run compared to the math departments at places like NYU. It’s a trip...

So you’ve got all this electrical engineering expertise, but zero clue about Kundalini... now that's an interesting combo...

Remember when I told you in that one post you sounded like some English professor? And then you hit me with that whole "elementary school plus four years of high school doesn't exactly make you a professor" line... typical...

You realize you’ve used the phrase "delusions of grandeur" like ten different times now—and totally out of context, too—mixing up psychiatric terms with psychological ones... which basically proves you didn't even know what the term meant until two days ago. I mean, you literally just sent me a message about it like ten days back. You can't even get the terminology right before you just go copy-paste some random crap from the internet and call it "hallucinations of grandeur"... honestly...

You remember when I told that guy he was basically just projecting an image of God, right?
It doesn't exist because projection is just taking your own baggage and pinning it on someone else... so, honestly, when you claim that, you're really just describing yourself—the guy who’s supposedly an "expert in psychology" or whatever. Nobody can project an image of God...

So, you actually noticed that I typed "mAlEtonin" two days ago before I fixed it to "melatonin"... which pretty much confirms my theory—I didn't even know how to spell it myself, I was just Googling it on the fly...

So, you’re basically just a total disaster of a human being—a massive clown, really—who jumps into every single thread about spirituality despite having zero clue what you're actually talking about. Honestly, you've got less spiritual depth than my Pekingese... You don't know anything about religion, you don't grasp any actual form of spirituality, and you clearly don't practice a damn thing. You just hang around this forum to dump all that negativity you're clearly overflowing with...

Cut the crap—I'm seriously done with you and all this clowning around...

There was this statue of Ganesha and Vivekananda, plus a ton of stuff about old mythology—and right at the entrance, they had this whole section on the era when Tesla moved to town and his beef with Edison, along with all those technical inventions. By the exit, there was this interactive thing where you basically whack pigeons with bolts of electricity on a screen in front of you... We even got these little tablets around our necks so we could pick our own themes from the numbered exhibits...

Things were shifting around in that exhibit—stuff was being swapped out or maybe even pulled entirely. If you missed the section on Ganesha and Vivekananda, they might have already cleared it out by then... honestly though, I couldn't care less...

Don't bother commenting on any of my posts anymore—and I won't be bothering with yours either. Go find some other idiot to argue with if you really have nothing better to do with your life...

A couple of clowns...

All I can tell you is that you’re clearly struggling with basic reading comprehension, yet somehow you’re incredibly committed to staying ignorant.

Are you honestly still out here convinced that the pineal gland pumps out dopamine and serotonin?

lonestag15 said:In Osho's ashrams, there were tons of people dealing with serious psychological issues (who clearly weren't filling out any damn paperwork)... you could really see how much the practitioners were struggling

As far as I can remember, it was mostly because of that practice where you shake and jump around, then scream until you finally end up standing perfectly still and silent... can't remember the exact name...

So, who's this mentor of yours? If they have a website, drop the link so I can do some digging...

I linked it for you on the previous page; you missed it. Just click and fill out the form.

goldenjackal6 said:Honestly, why even ask? What kind of connection could electrical engineering possibly have with Hindu mythology? It sounds like some wild late-night dorm room theory, right?

Top-tier.

You're tripping—you totally mashed two different exhibitions together into one.

Only someone who’s totally insecure and playing dishonest games would get this worked up over an argument.

All I can tell you is that you’re clearly struggling with basic reading comprehension, yet somehow you’re incredibly committed to staying ignorant.

Are you honestly still out here convinced that the pineal gland pumps out dopamine and serotonin?

Oh, please—you’re gonna lecture me on honesty? That's rich coming from Mr. "Pseudo-Psychologist Who Can't Even Define Basic Terms"... or should I say Mr. "Let Me Google This Basic Info So I Don't Look Like An Idiot"... seriously, I already laid it all out for you in my last post... you're clearly so desperate to be right that you have to prove yourself to your own reflection on a message board.

And then there's the fake persona—lying about your education and psychology background too... you're basically tripping over your own lies at this point.👎

Also, there weren't even two separate exhibits. But of course, you wouldn't know that since you weren't actually there (at all!). It was just one entrance, one exit, walking through the halls in order—it's all one continuous flow... but since you were nowhere to be found, you didn't even get a chance to see Vivekananda or Ganesh.

Go ahead, hit up Google for "Vivekananda" and "Ganesh" just to get some baseline knowledge... 🤦

Total Clowns.

Paul Rogers94 said:With my New Age mentor, you can't access a single technique without filling out a form that specifically asks about mental health history and heart conditions (along with the usual stuff like name, DOB, etc.). This has been the standard since the eighties, even for online sign-ups—unless it's an open lecture or public forum where anyone can attend with notice.

I've noticed you trying to dodge this question several times now... and I guarantee you that any serious teacher asks exactly these things. Believe what you want, though.

Here's a sample application form: Corporate Mindfulness

Go ahead—fill it out.

Look, I didn't catch you saying it, but if this guy is actually demanding a completed form, that's pretty responsible... send over a sample so I can see the specific questions they're asking

But anyway, here’s an example from Osho's ashram, and then a more recent one from Nithyananda—who is completely unhinged and just feeds delusions to followers who are convinced they’ve got or are about to get supernatural powers...

lonestag15 said:Look, I didn't catch you saying it, but if this guy is actually demanding a completed form, that's pretty responsible... send over a sample so I can see the specific questions they're asking

But anyway, here’s an example from Osho's ashram, and then a more recent one from Nithyananda—who is completely unhinged and just feeds delusions to followers who are convinced they’ve got or are about to get supernatural powers...

Anyway, the form is on the linked page; just scroll to the bottom. Takes maybe thirty seconds to find.

Paul Rogers94 said:Anyway, the form is on the linked page; just scroll to the bottom. Takes maybe thirty seconds to find.

I checked it out. Solid questions.

...this part is fine, honestly, it should be this way...

But I still pointed out those counterexamples like OSHA and Nithyananda...

goldenjackal6 said:Honestly, why even ask? What kind of connection could electrical engineering possibly have with Hindu mythology? It sounds like some wild late-night dorm room theory, right?

Top-tier.

You're tripping—you totally mashed two different exhibitions together into one.

Only someone who’s totally insecure and playing dishonest games would get this worked up over an argument.

All I can tell you is that you’re clearly struggling with basic reading comprehension, yet somehow you’re incredibly committed to staying ignorant.

Are you honestly still out here convinced that the pineal gland pumps out dopamine and serotonin?

"There is nothing worse than stumbling upon some hyper-aggressive cynic—one of those ideologically obsessed critics or propaganda-style spin doctors who never actually brings anything original to the table (never just lays the facts out straight), but instead just keeps droning on and on about anyone brave enough to try something new.
People like that literally kill discussions.
They drive people away and pollute the whole "space."

Yeah, that's you, Robot Guilliman!"

goldenjackal6 said:Honestly, why even ask? What kind of connection could electrical engineering possibly have with Hindu mythology? It sounds like some wild late-night dorm room theory, right?

Top-tier.

You're tripping—you totally mashed two different exhibitions together into one.

Only someone who’s totally insecure and playing dishonest games would get this worked up over an argument.

All I can tell you is that you’re clearly struggling with basic reading comprehension, yet somehow you’re incredibly committed to staying ignorant.

Are you honestly still out here convinced that the pineal gland pumps out dopamine and serotonin?

High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

lonestag15 said:High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

The point is, you just proved you’re out here spewing nonsense that’s incredibly easy to fact-check.

lonestag15 said:High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

The Third Eye is just superstitious garbage.

lonestag15 said:High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

Yeah, and once again, let me walk you through how you're failing at basic reading comprehension:
In what context did I ever mention having 8+4 years of education? Think about it.
Graduating in 10 days? Where on earth did you get that from? Just think for a second.

Resorting to chanting about how I'm some unintelligent Clown is really just a reflection of how mature you are when it comes to actually making an argument:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sagreement.svg

If you can't figure out the image: my actual points are sitting right there in the orange and pink sections.

lonestag15 said:High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

It's two separate words, genius.

lonestag15 said:High dopamine levels drop the melatonin production in the pineal gland. And since melatonin is a derivative of serotonin...

Basically, dopamine handles that "feel good" vibe while simultaneously killing your need for sleep—which then wrecks your dopamine receptors. Those exact receptors and dopamine levels are what trigger psychosis... that was the whole point of the post...

And whether they're produced *exactly* inside it isn't even the main issue... because I said the pineal gland is basically synonymous with what's called the "Third Eye" in Hinduism, given that the gland looks like an eye in cross-section. This whole "opening your third eye" thing is way more complex than whatever you think you learned from ten minutes of Googling. Plus, the "Third Eye" isn't some physical object tucked away somewhere—it’s more like a functional position within the body...

It's all linked to dopamine, serotonin, and melatonin. Go ahead, study those interactions for another ten minutes if you want to be an even bigger Clown...

Besides, the guy above actually wrote exactly what he meant...

Then there's you, acting like you've got a PhD in psychology when you don't even know the basic terms—just cutting and pasting posts, lying (like saying you did 8 + 4 years of high school and then somehow graduated in 10 days, haha, what a "smart" Clown)... You grab "intelligence" from Google in the ten minutes it takes to craft a rebuttal, and then have the nerve to tell others to read more carefully...

In a real conversation, you wouldn't even know what to say... someone smarter would just absolutely shred your arguments...

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bluemason3 said:I don't think they are; it’s just that growing mushrooms is illegal.

Theoretically, someone could monitor these conversations just to hunt for anyone growing mushrooms, but honestly, that seems like a massive waste of resources. Unless you're buying enough to suspect actual industrial-scale production or large-scale distribution, it’s pretty pointless.

It isn't an opiate. It's more like LSD in the sense that we're talking about serotonergic hallucinogens.

I wouldn't jump straight into using anything without knowing the subject matter better. Give yourself at least a few months to really dig in and understand what you’re deciding on. Make sure you look at it from all angles, not just the ones that sound good to you. Sites like Erowid are a solid place to start your research.

Also, if there’s any sign of personal or family history involving mental health issues linked to neurotransmitter hyperactivity—specifically manic episodes, psychosis, or indicators of schizophrenia—it's probably a no-go. The same applies if you deal with depersonalization, derealization, or more serious physical concerns like heart issues, blood pressure, or metabolic problems. Better to steer clear.

having one concrete experience with a shamanic dose would absolutely shatter everything you've read about mushrooms, their effects, scientific analyses, and personal accounts alike...

this is a perfect example of what usually happens—two people "debating," where one actually practices yoga while the other has just read neatly organized studies about yoga and laments them as general truths. after ten or twenty years of wandering on my own, you realize it doesn't actually work like that. so, I'll respect your opinion over the opinion of some ideology student (or whatever) or a bedroom meditation practitioner (mantra chanting)...

and it's not that the difference isn't noticeable, nor is it that these debates aren't completely pointless...

say you decide to go through with it—are you going to value someone's personal experience with wild mushrooms, or the opinion of someone who "knows everything" about them but has never actually tried them? (there's almost zero chance those two perspectives will ever align)

I believe you'll be much more interested in what the person who actually consumed the crazy mushrooms has to say—though even that isn't, and doesn't have to be, a reliable metric, because there really is no metric...

Not really. I’ll take all perspectives into account, though I find many consumers a bit too unstable to give much weight to. Honestly, I’d rather listen to an expert who lacks hands-on experience than someone erratic. Besides, everyone’s experiences vary wildly—especially how they interpret them. Some people spiral into mystical fantasies or paranoia, others (including myself, if you're implying I've never messed around with hallucinogens ) stay pretty grounded without it bleeding into daily life, and then there are the third group who have zero meaningful experience and can't fathom why anyone would care about this stuff.

The worst part is when you trap yourself in an echo chamber of similar (ideological and experiential ) ideas, actively hunting for validation while ignoring anything that contradicts your view. This is especially dangerous with things as susceptible to suggestion, expectation, and environment as hallucinogens (or even trance-like states triggered by spiritual practices ).

Can you actually believe this... seriously, all in one single post... first:

goldenjackal6 said:The point is, you just proved you’re out here spewing nonsense that’s incredibly easy to fact-check.

The Third Eye is just superstitious garbage.

Yeah, and once again, let me walk you through how you're failing at basic reading comprehension:
In what context did I ever mention having 8+4 years of education? Think about it.
Graduating in 10 days? Where on earth did you get that from? Just think for a second.

Resorting to chanting about how I'm some unintelligent Clown is really just a reflection of how mature you are when it comes to actually making an argument:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sagreement.svg

If you can't figure out the image: my actual points are sitting right there in the orange and pink sections.

It's two separate words, genius.

And then we get a real "mature" take on grammar... 😵

goldenjackal6 said:The point is, you just proved you’re out here spewing nonsense that’s incredibly easy to fact-check.

The Third Eye is just superstitious garbage.

Yeah, and once again, let me walk you through how you're failing at basic reading comprehension:
In what context did I ever mention having 8+4 years of education? Think about it.
Graduating in 10 days? Where on earth did you get that from? Just think for a second.

Resorting to chanting about how I'm some unintelligent Clown is really just a reflection of how mature you are when it comes to actually making an argument:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...sagreement.svg

If you can't figure out the image: my actual points are sitting right there in the orange and pink sections.

It's two separate words, genius.

Way to go, master... truly a titan of logic... you’re basically tripping over your own feet within three sentences... and yeah, you're definitely "mature" when you pivot to nitpicking spelling. Honestly, man, you're probably the only person here who hasn't contributed a single shred of actual knowledge to the topic... just like how you don't contribute anything useful to any other thread you stumble into. Plus, you claim—totally lying, obviously—that you were at the "Tesla Mind from The Futur" exhibit, yet you couldn't have missed a six-foot tall Ganesh statue if you tried... give it a rest, man. Just fly away from this sub so the people who actually want to learn something instead of watching your little "intellectual" ego trip can breathe...

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You're transparent and exhausting... go ahead, Google the word "transparent," then write a comment at your level like "transparency is a property of materials"... honestly, these comments are reaching levels of idiocy I didn't think possible...

lonestag15 said:Can you actually believe this... seriously, all in one single post... first:

And then we get a real "mature" take on grammar... 😵

Way to go, master... truly a titan of logic... you’re basically tripping over your own feet within three sentences... and yeah, you're definitely "mature" when you pivot to nitpicking spelling. Honestly, man, you're probably the only person here who hasn't contributed a single shred of actual knowledge to the topic... just like how you don't contribute anything useful to any other thread you stumble into. Plus, you claim—totally lying, obviously—that you were at the "Tesla Mind from The Futur" exhibit, yet you couldn't have missed a six-foot tall Ganesh statue if you tried... give it a rest, man. Just fly away from this sub so the people who actually want to learn something instead of watching your little "intellectual" ego trip can breathe...

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You're transparent and exhausting... go ahead, Google the word "transparent," then write a comment at your level like "transparency is a property of materials"... honestly, these comments are reaching levels of idiocy I didn't think possible...

It wasn't a comment on grammar, it was correcting an inaccuracy.

lonestag15 said:Can you actually believe this... seriously, all in one single post... first:

And then we get a real "mature" take on grammar... 😵

Way to go, master... truly a titan of logic... you’re basically tripping over your own feet within three sentences... and yeah, you're definitely "mature" when you pivot to nitpicking spelling. Honestly, man, you're probably the only person here who hasn't contributed a single shred of actual knowledge to the topic... just like how you don't contribute anything useful to any other thread you stumble into. Plus, you claim—totally lying, obviously—that you were at the "Tesla Mind from The Futur" exhibit, yet you couldn't have missed a six-foot tall Ganesh statue if you tried... give it a rest, man. Just fly away from this sub so the people who actually want to learn something instead of watching your little "intellectual" ego trip can breathe...

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You're transparent and exhausting... go ahead, Google the word "transparent," then write a comment at your level like "transparency is a property of materials"... honestly, these comments are reaching levels of idiocy I didn't think possible...

I'll say it again: chanting about how I "don't know anything" isn't an argument, it's just a desperate attempt to attack the person instead of the point.

lonestag15 said:Can you actually believe this... seriously, all in one single post... first:

And then we get a real "mature" take on grammar... 😵

Way to go, master... truly a titan of logic... you’re basically tripping over your own feet within three sentences... and yeah, you're definitely "mature" when you pivot to nitpicking spelling. Honestly, man, you're probably the only person here who hasn't contributed a single shred of actual knowledge to the topic... just like how you don't contribute anything useful to any other thread you stumble into. Plus, you claim—totally lying, obviously—that you were at the "Tesla Mind from The Futur" exhibit, yet you couldn't have missed a six-foot tall Ganesh statue if you tried... give it a rest, man. Just fly away from this sub so the people who actually want to learn something instead of watching your little "intellectual" ego trip can breathe...

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You're transparent and exhausting... go ahead, Google the word "transparent," then write a comment at your level like "transparency is a property of materials"... honestly, these comments are reaching levels of idiocy I didn't think possible...

You're spreading useless misinformation, and once you realize your own statements are wrong, you just brush it off with a "whatever, it doesn't matter" and try to claim I'm the one being embarrassed.

lonestag15 said:Can you actually believe this... seriously, all in one single post... first:

And then we get a real "mature" take on grammar... 😵

Way to go, master... truly a titan of logic... you’re basically tripping over your own feet within three sentences... and yeah, you're definitely "mature" when you pivot to nitpicking spelling. Honestly, man, you're probably the only person here who hasn't contributed a single shred of actual knowledge to the topic... just like how you don't contribute anything useful to any other thread you stumble into. Plus, you claim—totally lying, obviously—that you were at the "Tesla Mind from The Futur" exhibit, yet you couldn't have missed a six-foot tall Ganesh statue if you tried... give it a rest, man. Just fly away from this sub so the people who actually want to learn something instead of watching your little "intellectual" ego trip can breathe...

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself. You're transparent and exhausting... go ahead, Google the word "transparent," then write a comment at your level like "transparency is a property of materials"... honestly, these comments are reaching levels of idiocy I didn't think possible...

Actually, I went twice—once with a buddy and once with my niece.

You probably either got confused or maybe just hallucinated, because you're out here spouting total nonsense about human biology, claiming the gland that triggers sleepiness is some kind of "Third Eye." Lol.

So, here’s one of today's "top-tier" gurus... Nithyananda!
... just a quick little demo via two videos... takes maybe 10 minutes tops, and honestly, it’s pretty hilarious to watch—if you can wrap your head around how this guy and his followers actually function

Regarding that massive ego trip he pulls (or tries to force onto his followers)


And check out his logic on how many extra years he's planning to tack onto his lifespan


Oh, and here’s him working his little magic on the crowd


.... man... (God, if you're actually up there...) please help these people, thanks in advance 😉

bluemason3 said:Not really. I’ll take all perspectives into account, though I find many consumers a bit too unstable to give much weight to. Honestly, I’d rather listen to an expert who lacks hands-on experience than someone erratic. Besides, everyone’s experiences vary wildly—especially how they interpret them. Some people spiral into mystical fantasies or paranoia, others (including myself, if you're implying I've never messed around with hallucinogens ) stay pretty grounded without it bleeding into daily life, and then there are the third group who have zero meaningful experience and can't fathom why anyone would care about this stuff.

The worst part is when you trap yourself in an echo chamber of similar (ideological and experiential ) ideas, actively hunting for validation while ignoring anything that contradicts your view. This is especially dangerous with things as susceptible to suggestion, expectation, and environment as hallucinogens (or even trance-like states triggered by spiritual practices ).

I wasn't talking about you, and I know you've used LSD—my point was that no matter how much someone describes the taste of honey, you won't actually know what it tastes like until you try it (some might be more sensitive to the flavor, some might be moved by it, and others might find nothing interesting about it at all).
Well, sure, you took LSD; you probably did your research beforehand, but it was still fundamentally different from whatever assumption you held based on that data—or was it?
You likely researched before traveling to some remote, exotic destination, yet the actual trip turned out to be something else entirely—the map is not the territory.
And since we're on the subject of psychedelics, based on my own fairly extensive experience, I haven't found them to be particularly dependent on suggestion, setting, or expectations—but that’s just my take.

I was simply using the psychedelic experience as a metaphor for a spiritual one.

You're essentially denying the authenticity of any spiritual experience, dismissing them as subjective delusions triggered by setting and suggestion, whereas I believe only the *interpretation* and subsequent perception of a spiritual experience are subjective—assuming, of course, that the experience itself is authentic.

lonestag15 said:So, here’s one of today's "top-tier" gurus... Nithyananda!
... just a quick little demo via two videos... takes maybe 10 minutes tops, and honestly, it’s pretty hilarious to watch—if you can wrap your head around how this guy and his followers actually function

Regarding that massive ego trip he pulls (or tries to force onto his followers)

And check out his logic on how many extra years he's planning to tack onto his lifespan

Oh, and here’s him working his little magic on the crowd

.... man... (God, if you're actually up there...) please help these people, thanks in advance 😉

Where did you get the idea that this Clown is a leading guru of our time? Every time you brought him up before, I honestly had no clue who you were talking about. People will swallow anything—everyone gets the guru they deserve. These gurus only exist because the "flock" creates them; if there weren't people desperate enough to need them, these guys wouldn't exist. It's just like how many idiots fell for the nonsense pushed by Zlatko Sudac... by the way, I barely lasted two seconds looking at that Clown's stare in a three-minute video, but based on those two seconds, I'm free to conclude—and I have zero doubts about this—that the guy is a narcissistic psychopath. I don't know why you're fixated on that face like he's someone actually important

Christianity is just fluff, but what's the deal with this Eastern stuff? Is it actually legit or just more nonsense?

Paul Rogers94 said:I wasn't talking about you, and I know you've used LSD—my point was that no matter how much someone describes the taste of honey, you won't actually know what it tastes like until you try it (some might be more sensitive to the flavor, some might be moved by it, and others might find nothing interesting about it at all).
Well, sure, you took LSD; you probably did your research beforehand, but it was still fundamentally different from whatever assumption you held based on that data—or was it?
You likely researched before traveling to some remote, exotic destination, yet the actual trip turned out to be something else entirely—the map is not the territory.
And since we're on the subject of psychedelics, based on my own fairly extensive experience, I haven't found them to be particularly dependent on suggestion, setting, or expectations—but that’s just my take.

I was simply using the psychedelic experience as a metaphor for a spiritual one.

You're essentially denying the authenticity of any spiritual experience, dismissing them as subjective delusions triggered by setting and suggestion, whereas I believe only the *interpretation* and subsequent perception of a spiritual experience are subjective—assuming, of course, that the experience itself is authentic.

Sure, you can't have a hallucinogenic experience without using hallucinogens, but that doesn't mean you know more about how they work than someone who hasn't used them.

It's like how you don't know what it's like to be a diabetic if you aren't one, but being a diabetic doesn't mean you know more about the disease than a doctor who isn't.

Solid knowledge is more important than lived experience because it's less prone to subjective interpretations, biases, and projections. It's based on a much larger sample size.