Turkey - TR

Tyler Johnson11 said:Please. When you're talking about Putin and Russia, "forever" doesn't exist. Just wait—right when Erdogan decides to pull a total stunt and sh*t all over Trump's desk in the Oval Office, the US will be right back there covering his ass against Russia.

Exactly. They're leveraging Turkey's incredibly vital strategic position during this crisis... Washington doesn't have many moves left to counter them without causing massive instability. Honestly, the only way they ever manage to topple an ego-driven leader like a sultan is through assassination, and we've seen them try that before...

Tyler Johnson11 said:Please. When you're talking about Putin and Russia, "forever" doesn't exist. Just wait—right when Erdogan decides to pull a total stunt and sh*t all over Trump's desk in the Oval Office, the US will be right back there covering his ass against Russia.

Turkey is gonna get absolutely wrecked, honestly. We're talking total chaos—famine, lawlessness, full-blown war, and getting hammered by international coalitions, kind of like

A FALLEN STATE... a textbook example for the rest of the world.

With Turkey messing around like this, they’re gonna end up just like Washington, D.C.—stuck with a wall right through the middle—so they might as well start picking up some English and Russian while they can. 🙏

Morgan Booth70 said:With Turkey messing around like this, they’re gonna end up just like Washington, D.C.—stuck with a wall right through the middle—so they might as well start picking up some English and Russian while they can. 🙏

I don't know if it'll go down exactly like that, but Erdogan is making enemies everywhere he turns.

And let me tell you, that usually doesn't end well.

The Turkey problem is something only Napoleon could have actually fixed
Maybe then they would have finally become a modern European state, just like the rest of us over here on the continent.

Lawrence Booth2 said:The Turkey problem is something only Napoleon could have actually fixed
Maybe then they would have finally become a modern European state, just like the rest of us over here on the continent.

The Turkey problem—which, let’s be honest, is more of an issue for us and the European Union than for them—stems from the fact that their status as a European nation is purely geographical. Mentally, they remain firmly rooted in Asia. Their fundamental way of thinking hasn't undergone any significant evolution in over a millennium; every attempt at reform has been nothing more than a superficial, forced veneer. Frankly, Turkey is an embarrassment to NATO, serving as the only member (aside from Canada 😲) that continues to hold territory belonging to another European Union member through occupation.

Trump and Pompeo are just banging their heads against a wall while Erdogan tears apart the NATO pact 😁

There's dangerous posturing with weapons going on. Experts are begging the USA and the European Union to step in fast. They say Erdogan won't back down.

Emily Fox2 said:Trump and Pompeo are just banging their heads against a wall while Erdogan tears apart the NATO pact 😁

There's dangerous posturing with weapons going on. Experts are begging the USA and the European Union to step in fast. They say Erdogan won't back down.

At least regarding the whole Kastelorizo island situation, Turkey has a legitimate point in its dispute with Greece. You can't have one tiny little island sitting right off the Turkish coast claiming thousands of square miles of ocean for itself.

It isn't just about one single island, either. We are looking at an entire chain of islands right off the coast of Turkey that belong to Greece.

George Robinson43 said:It isn't just about one single island, either. We are looking at an entire chain of islands right off the coast of Turkey that belong to Greece.

Look, the Greeks just don't have the numbers or the military muscle to stop this.
At this rate, they'll probably lose every single island near the Turkish coast within ten years.

You're gonna want to skip this movie...

Nancy Chavez29 said:Turkey is gonna get absolutely wrecked, honestly. We're talking total chaos—famine, lawlessness, full-blown war, and getting hammered by international coalitions, kind of like

A FALLEN STATE... a textbook example for the rest of the world.

That bolded scenario is almost certainly coming. A nation only falls if Erdogan loses his grip.
The real question is simply when he crosses the line that triggers mass protests in the streets.

Full-scale bombings just aren't practical. Realistically, while the USA could easily crush them and send them back to the Stone Age, why would the USA bother? There are far more subtle ways to remove a leader in Turkey when they become too much of a liability. I'm not talking about a massive military strike... think along the lines of a sudden heart attack, a car accident, a tragic drowning during a midnight swim, or even a virus.

Is anyone in the European Union actually taking this seriously? Honestly, I feel like their military could really give Ethiopia a run for their money, especially if they send the Italians in first 😁

Since both are NATO members, if an attack happens, does it turn into a total free-for-all where everyone fights everyone, or how does that work? What does the rulebook say 🤣

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, the Greeks just don't have the numbers or the military muscle to stop this.
At this rate, they'll probably lose every single island near the Turkish coast within ten years.

If things actually kick off, Greece would likely trigger Article 42.7 of the 42.7 Lisbon Treaty. It’s one of those provisions stating that a state member must specify article requirements regarding the "obligation to provide support and assistance through all available means" should an armed aggression occur against any member territory."
Turkey might face some sanctions—it's hard to say for sure, given how unpredictable these things are—but even then, it serves as a necessary signal. It would be a sharp wake-up call for the American elite, who really ought to be ensuring that international treaties or the US Army actually step up to protect territorial integrity.
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neonfalcon16 said:That strikes me as a bit of a contradiction. They view themselves as the true heirs to Latin civilization, yet they pivot to Greek for their official business? It’s strange. Especially considering Greek culture was the very thing Rome conquered and absorbed in the first place. To my mind, this shift was likely driven by religion. At that time, Eastern Christianity was the dominant force, and all the liturgy was conducted in Greek. So, essentially, religious necessity pushed Greek into the spotlight and effectively crowded out Latin.

I believe terms like Messianic or Nazarene are used instead.

The Empire actually split up before Christianity was even officially recognized—you know, all that stuff about the Tetrarchy and whatever. It was about 700 years between then and the Great Schism. Between the 4th and 6th centuries, you can really see the gap growing between East and West. Naturally, the East stayed much closer to that Hellenistic heritage and language, both ethnically and culturally. Meanwhile, the West kind of sinks into what people call the "Dark Ages"—which is basically just a fancy way of saying Latin civilization started getting a bit messy, if you know what I mean... But in the Byzantine Empire, there’s this unbroken thread connecting back to the Roman state. Take Justinian's Iuris Civilis, for example; that was being used along with new laws all the way until the end. Plus, they even reclaimed some provinces in Italy! On top of that, all those vital provinces like Ephesus, Antioch, Alexandria, and Damascus stayed in the East, so there was this constant continuity of imperial heritage. The churches didn't really split until 1054, which only happened once Germanic influence grew stronger in the West. By then, the divide was already massive, and it was mostly a civilizational thing. I don't think language took over just because of church services; those areas were always going to be more influenced by Greek culture than Roman culture anyway.
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So, he decided right on the day of the Lozenge agreement to let the prayer go 🤣 🙏

The Caliphate flag is waving, someone drew a sword, and Erdogan was reading the Quran—I have to say, his accent was actually great! It was such a surreal scene, honestly.🍿

Turkey and Greece are on the brink of conflict. A NATO member just struck another NATO member. 😁

Rachel Carter90 said:I honestly don't get why everyone is getting so worked up over Turkey—it’s basically a country headed toward the same demographic meltdown we saw with the Mexicans. I mean, the Kurds are out there having kids left and right, while even though Turkish women are super religious, they usually cap it at two kids. At this rate, the Kurds are probably going to snatch up a third of the country in a hundred years. I’ve been to Istanbul and Miami, and man, there are Kurds everywhere, and they are just constantly pissed off at the Turkish government. It’s pretty much the same dynamic as Mexicans vs. Albanians.

Whatever happens, happens. I couldn't care less what the Turks or the Kurds do a hundred years from now. If things really start moving toward conflict today, even if you look at Greece through the Danube down to the Sava, they’re basically the only force capable of putting up any kind of resistance—and even then, it's probably not enough. The North America are turning back into the Roman-Byzantine Empire, while Europe is being brought to its knees...

It sounds surreal, but it feels like the Sultan is currently shattering the boundaries of reality itself...

Suppose the Greeks end up losing territory, and all they get from NATO and the EU is a collection of empty condemnations regarding Turkey-Greece tensions. In that scenario, you’d likely see the Greek and Bulgarian prime ministers boarding a flight to Moscow together.

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Arthur Lopez14 said:Suppose the Greeks end up losing territory, and all they get from NATO and the EU is a collection of empty condemnations regarding Turkey-Greece tensions. In that scenario, you’d likely see the Greek and Bulgarian prime ministers boarding a flight to Moscow together.

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Asylum...? 🤔

I wouldn't bet against Boyko; he basically landed on the political scene as a Moscow asset before finally finding some sort of redemption. But Mitsotakis Jr.? He’d probably pick a luxury island retreat over everything else. The Greeks always seem to have options—even when it comes to seeking asylum...

Henry Garcia13 said:Asylum...? 🤔

I wouldn't bet against Boyko; he basically landed on the political scene as a Moscow asset before finally finding some sort of redemption. But Mitsotakis Jr.? He’d probably pick a luxury island retreat over everything else. The Greeks always seem to have options—even when it comes to seeking asylum...

If they make an offer to the Russians, they could practically have anything they want, especially since the Greeks and Bulgarians possess their own hardware and backing. Honestly, the only reason Romania and Bulgaria are in the EU at all is out of pure dread regarding Moscow.