Turkey - TR

copperranger10 said:So, when do you think they're actually gonna drop the results?

NPR should be putting out the first set of numbers around 4:00 PM.

Erdogan: Biden gave the order to take me down

Carol Newman2 said:Erdogan: Biden gave the order to take me down

This is nothing more than the textbook rhetoric of a dictator attempting to manufacture an external threat and an imminent danger. If he fails at the polls, will he admit it was the people's decision, or will he simply claim it was Biden's interference?

Carol Newman2 said:Erdogan: Biden gave the order to take me down

If he stays in power, things are gonna get messy...

It’s all incredibly tight, and honestly, the first round is already shaping up to be a head-to-head showdown between just two candidates. We might see our winner emerge before we even hit the second round.

That said, these elections matter immensely to us because they dictate the entire trajectory of what happens here in the US. There are plenty of valid reasons why people are calling these the most consequential elections on the planet this year.

Why on earth would anyone think the Turkish elections are "the most important elections in the world this year"? 🤔

They aren't even close to being the most significant elections in Europe, let alone globally...
Whatever the Turkish people decide, that's their business. It has very little, if any, impact on EU member states.

Turnout is pushing past 85 percent

Absolutely wild

Sam Alvarez4 said:Why on earth would anyone think the Turkish elections are "the most important elections in the world this year"? 🤔

They aren't even close to being the most significant elections in Europe, let alone globally...
Whatever the Turkish people decide, that's their business. It has very little, if any, impact on EU member states.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss these elections. If there is actually a change in leadership, it will fundamentally shift Turkey's foreign policy—which, under Erdogan, has been nothing short of confrontational toward the West.

Furthermore, should the opposition emerge victorious, they have already signaled intentions to deport 3.5 million Syrian refugees; could this not trigger yet another massive wave of migration toward our borders, creating a massive headache for the European Union?

Sam Alvarez4 said:Why on earth would anyone think the Turkish elections are "the most important elections in the world this year"? 🤔

They aren't even close to being the most significant elections in Europe, let alone globally...
Whatever the Turkish people decide, that's their business. It has very little, if any, impact on EU member states.

I have to disagree because, honestly, they really are the most significant elections we're seeing this year. If you look at them alongside the previous elections in the USA, they are easily the most consequential ones from the last couple of years. See, Turkey is one of those countries that acts as a massive "swing vote" or a linchpin for so many different global issues, and whatever choice they make here will likely dictate the direction of their nation for many years to come.

It’s about time Erdogan goes down!!

Kyle Flores32 said:It’s about time Erdogan goes down!!

I don't know about that, honestly. I mean, look at those lines—the turnout looks absolutely massive, just endless rows of people waiting
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/statu...Hlb8mKWug&s=19

Sam Alvarez4 said:Why on earth would anyone think the Turkish elections are "the most important elections in the world this year"? 🤔

They aren't even close to being the most significant elections in Europe, let alone globally...
Whatever the Turkish people decide, that's their business. It has very little, if any, impact on EU member states.

I've seen some major news outlets framing the situation this way, and if I'm being honest, I actually think I agree with the sentiment.

Look, if those Turks decided to let 3 million Syrians flood into the EU—people who have homes there—I’d definitely change my tune about this having no connection to anything. Then there's the fact that NATO is essentially regrouping if the opposition wins (especially with Sweden joining the alliance). Plus, if the opposition takes over, building pipelines directly from the Middle East to Europe becomes a much smoother process. Basically, they become more politically stable if there's a change in leadership. Turkey also carries significant weight regarding what happens in the North America, which matters in the broader clash between East and West. There's even talk about the potential reunification of Cyprus. On top of that, Turkey has a massive hand in the situation in Libya, which clearly affects Europe. ...and so on.

So, this isn't just some minor side note. It's not like voting for mayor in some tiny town in the Midwest.

Anthony Hill5 said:I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss these elections. If there is actually a change in leadership, it will fundamentally shift Turkey's foreign policy—which, under Erdogan, has been nothing short of confrontational toward the West.

Furthermore, should the opposition emerge victorious, they have already signaled intentions to deport 3.5 million Syrian refugees; could this not trigger yet another massive wave of migration toward our borders, creating a massive headache for the European Union?

Not downplaying it, just don't think they're the center of the universe...
Honestly, I'm rooting for Americans in Turkey to end this political one-party rule and stop the creeping Islamization of the country. But I'm skeptical about whether we'll see any real shifts in foreign policy, either toward the European Union or globally. Only time will tell...

If the politicians decide that playing both sides—balancing the West against Russia and China—is the best way to boost the economy, then the core foreign policy won't move much at all. Most changes would likely stay domestic, focusing on things like the judiciary, media, the military, and corruption...

Anthony Hill5 said:I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss these elections. If there is actually a change in leadership, it will fundamentally shift Turkey's foreign policy—which, under Erdogan, has been nothing short of confrontational toward the West.

Furthermore, should the opposition emerge victorious, they have already signaled intentions to deport 3.5 million Syrian refugees; could this not trigger yet another massive wave of migration toward our borders, creating a massive headache for the European Union?

It’s much like a game of chicken; they will act this way until the other side calls their bluff. It’s as simple as saying, "Fine, send those 3.5 million people our way, and we'll send 3.5 million Turks back to you." We could easily fill those jobs ourselves—after all, those positions mostly require manual labor rather than complex intellectual input.😉

George Robinson43 said:It’s much like a game of chicken; they will act this way until the other side calls their bluff. It’s as simple as saying, "Fine, send those 3.5 million people our way, and we'll send 3.5 million Turks back to you." We could easily fill those jobs ourselves—after all, those positions mostly require manual labor rather than complex intellectual input.😉

How exactly am I supposed to deport Turks when most of them hold dual citizenship or at least have perfectly legal work permits and residency? A huge number of them were actually born in European Union countries.

We're looking at a massive turnout here, easily hitting at least 87%
https://www.trtworld.com/

https://secim.ntv.com.tr

Erdogan 60

Kilicdaroglu 35

10 percent counted

Those are just votes coming in from the smaller rural areas...

There's no way Erdogan is leading by 20 points in Ankara

An 87% turnout? That’s a level of civic engagement we can only dream of here in the States—it just goes to show how much those Turks actually value their democracy.

Honestly, I don't see Erdogan losing this one. Not feeling optimistic at all.

Carol Newman2 said:https://secim.ntv.com.tr

Erdogan 60

Kilicdaroglu 35

10 percent counted

Those are just votes coming in from the smaller rural areas...

There's no way Erdogan is leading by 20 points in Ankara

Once the count hit 25%, Erdogan dropped down to 54%, while Kilicdaroglu climbed up to 40%.
The margin has tightened by over 5%, which means a runoff is looking increasingly probable.