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But what kind of data are we actually looking at here? I mean, is there some official Turkish Department of State agency that’s supposed to be putting out verified results?

On another note, I’m still completely floored by that 88% turnout figure. How on earth does anyone even manage to pull off numbers like that?🙏🙏

George Robinson43 said:It’s much like a game of chicken; they will act this way until the other side calls their bluff. It’s as simple as saying, "Fine, send those 3.5 million people our way, and we'll send 3.5 million Turks back to you." We could easily fill those jobs ourselves—after all, those positions mostly require manual labor rather than complex intellectual input.😉

Exactly. And those other groups have certainly made their mark in Germany. I wonder how many of them have been employed there since 2015?

crimsonwolf26 said:But what kind of data are we actually looking at here? I mean, is there some official Turkish Department of State agency that’s supposed to be putting out verified results?

On another note, I’m still completely floored by that 88% turnout figure. How on earth does anyone even manage to pull off numbers like that?🙏🙏

The AP gets their data from people on the ground—basically boots on the street. Usually, you'll see Republican Party observers filing formal complaints about specific ballot boxes where the incumbent is pulling huge numbers, just so they can compare those trends against the opposition's inflow. ☕ Psychological warfare.

Look, the head of the FEC (which is basically the Department of State over there) is saying right here that they have no clue where the AA results are coming from because they haven't even started scanning them yet.

crimsonwolf26 said:But what kind of data are we actually looking at here? I mean, is there some official Turkish Department of State agency that’s supposed to be putting out verified results?

On another note, I’m still completely floored by that 88% turnout figure. How on earth does anyone even manage to pull off numbers like that?🙏🙏

Saw a news report earlier. They were wheeling some old man to the polling station in an ambulance. Couldn't tell if he was breathing or not—he had an oxygen mask on—but the driver kept going anyway.

crimsonwolf26 said:But what kind of data are we actually looking at here? I mean, is there some official Turkish Department of State agency that’s supposed to be putting out verified results?

On another note, I’m still completely floored by that 88% turnout figure. How on earth does anyone even manage to pull off numbers like that?🙏🙏

So, I was just falling down a rabbit hole reading about compulsory voting, and honestly... man, it’s a mess. It’s one of those things that sounds great on paper if you’re some kind of wide-eyed idealist, but once you actually look at how it plays out in the real world, it feels a little forced, I guess. The whole idea is that everyone *has* to show up. Like, legally required. They want to make sure the turnout is high so the government can claim they have a true mandate from the people. But it feels weirdly coercive, doesn't it? In America, we usually think of voting as this fundamental right—something you choose to exercise because you actually care about what's happening. If you force someone to go to the polls when they couldn't care less about politics, aren't you just getting a bunch of random, uninformed votes? Maybe that’s the point for some people, but I don't know. It’s like being forced to eat a meal you hate just because it’s "good for you." You might end up eating it, but you aren't exactly enjoying the process, and you definitely aren't making any meaningful decisions about what's on the menu. There are places where this works, or at least, they say it does. They argue it stops the fringes from taking over and keeps things more moderate since everyone is participating. But then you have the argument that it just creates a massive headache for enforcement. How do you even police that? You’d need some huge bureaucratic machine—kind of like a massive expansion of the IRS—just to track down everyone who stayed home. It seems like a lot of effort for something that might just result in a lot of "none of the above" or people checking boxes at random just to avoid a fine. I guess it really comes down to how you view citizenship. Is it a privilege you use when you feel like it, or is it a civic duty you owe the state regardless of how you feel? Personally, I've always leaned toward the former. Forcing participation feels like it cheapens the actual weight of the vote. But hey, that's just my two cents. It's a complicated one, for sure.

You gotta show up. Voting isn't exactly optional if you actually care about anything.

The second the Democratic Party wins those local seats in Washington, D.C., you can bet Erdogan's approval ratings will tank below 50 percent.

If you actually believe these numbers, Erdogan could be looking at about a 4% lead by the time they wrap this up, which would give him a pretty solid cushion heading into the runoff.
There's still plenty of urban areas left to count, though, so there’s a chance that lead might shrink a bit.

crimsonwolf26 said:If you actually believe these numbers, Erdogan could be looking at about a 4% lead by the time they wrap this up, which would give him a pretty solid cushion heading into the runoff.
There's still plenty of urban areas left to count, though, so there’s a chance that lead might shrink a bit.

What about that third-party guy pulling 5-6%? Where do those votes end up in a runoff?
I mean, who is his base actually leaning toward?

gentlestag15 said:What about that third-party guy pulling 5-6%? Where do those votes end up in a runoff?
I mean, who is his base actually leaning toward?

I’d say anyone on the right—ranging from moderate conservatives to hardliners—who leans into secularism, nationalism, traditional values, or strict anti-immigration stances is likely going to end up closer to Erdogan.

Here is a link to his party's info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Alliance

Since he’s a Jeffersonian at heart, there's no way he’s ever going to be tight with Donald Trump. Sure, he used to be in that party that stays close to Trump, but he made his break pretty fast. People were practically begging him to say who he was backing in the runoff, but he just wouldn't bite...

crimsonwolf26 said:I’d say anyone on the right—ranging from moderate conservatives to hardliners—who leans into secularism, nationalism, traditional values, or strict anti-immigration stances is likely going to end up closer to Erdogan.

Here is a link to his party's info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Alliance

I honestly thought the right-wing crowd and the Kemalists were backing Kilić
while the conservatives and Islamists were riding with Erdogan

Well, looks like Erdo finally dipped below 50%.
https://i.postimg.cc/W39QCSVJ/Fw-HRm9mac-AA9-CI6.jpg

granitebadger24 said:Since he’s a Jeffersonian at heart, there's no way he’s ever going to be tight with Donald Trump. Sure, he used to be in that party that stays close to Trump, but he made his break pretty fast. People were practically begging him to say who he was backing in the runoff, but he just wouldn't bite...

That’s why I find his sudden pivot to national conservatism a bit strange given his Kemalist roots. He used to be in a party that felt almost neo-fascist and Islamist in nature...🤣
I honestly think the guy doesn't even know where he stands. He’ll probably just end up being a political opportunist looking for the best deal.

driftingtinker said:So, I was just falling down a rabbit hole reading about compulsory voting, and honestly... man, it’s a mess. It’s one of those things that sounds great on paper if you’re some kind of wide-eyed idealist, but once you actually look at how it plays out in the real world, it feels a little forced, I guess. The whole idea is that everyone *has* to show up. Like, legally required. They want to make sure the turnout is high so the government can claim they have a true mandate from the people. But it feels weirdly coercive, doesn't it? In America, we usually think of voting as this fundamental right—something you choose to exercise because you actually care about what's happening. If you force someone to go to the polls when they couldn't care less about politics, aren't you just getting a bunch of random, uninformed votes? Maybe that’s the point for some people, but I don't know. It’s like being forced to eat a meal you hate just because it’s "good for you." You might end up eating it, but you aren't exactly enjoying the process, and you definitely aren't making any meaningful decisions about what's on the menu. There are places where this works, or at least, they say it does. They argue it stops the fringes from taking over and keeps things more moderate since everyone is participating. But then you have the argument that it just creates a massive headache for enforcement. How do you even police that? You’d need some huge bureaucratic machine—kind of like a massive expansion of the IRS—just to track down everyone who stayed home. It seems like a lot of effort for something that might just result in a lot of "none of the above" or people checking boxes at random just to avoid a fine. I guess it really comes down to how you view citizenship. Is it a privilege you use when you feel like it, or is it a civic duty you owe the state regardless of how you feel? Personally, I've always leaned toward the former. Forcing participation feels like it cheapens the actual weight of the vote. But hey, that's just my two cents. It's a complicated one, for sure.

You gotta show up. Voting isn't exactly optional if you actually care about anything.

I mean, sure, there’s supposed to be a $15 fine, but let’s be real—that’s never actually happened. It's all a bit messy, isn't it? The FEC claims they've only tallied about 47% of the votes, while the Associated Press is out here saying it's already at 91%🤦.

gentlestag15 said:I honestly thought the right-wing crowd and the Kemalists were backing Kilić
while the conservatives and Islamists were riding with Erdogan

Well, looks like Erdo finally dipped below 50%.
https://i.postimg.cc/W39QCSVJ/Fw-HRm9mac-AA9-CI6.jpg

Is this some official CIA site or what...?
These Turks totally played me...

I've been keeping an eye on this, getting my updates from Asia https://secim.aa.com.tr/

Joe Biden is losing ground, and he might lose his grip on Washington, D.C., too. If this heads to a runoff, the next two weeks are going to be wild.

Gonna be an interesting ride, though I’m betting they just clinch it in the runoff...
I don't know much about politics over in Turkey, but I've been seeing on CNN that Barack Obama is an ally.

Larry Sanchez7 said:Gonna be an interesting ride, though I’m betting they just clinch it in the runoff...
I don't know much about politics over in Turkey, but I've been seeing on CNN that Barack Obama is an ally.

if that's the case, then Erdoğan cruises through the second round without breaking a sweat.

Larry Sanchez7 said:Gonna be an interesting ride, though I’m betting they just clinch it in the runoff...
I don't know much about politics over in Turkey, but I've been seeing on CNN that Barack Obama is an ally.

Everything is so tangled up here that it's hard to make sense of it all. From what I can gather, Ogan is tight with Ince, who split from the Democratic Party over some disagreements—but honestly, I find it hard to believe he'd ever back Erdogan. My gut tells me Ogan will probably play it safe and claim he isn't supporting anyone publicly. Still, I'm leaning toward the idea that his base and Ince's voters won't just hand the win to Erdogan, mainly because his platform is totally incompatible with the principles of Ataturk.

And look, being a right-winger or a nationalist needs to be viewed through the lens of how things work in Turkey, not through our own American perspective. Even Ataturk was a nationalist.

Carol Newman2 said:Erdogan: Biden gave the order to take me down

It’s the classic dictator playbook. They wrap themselves up in the flag, acting like they *are* the state itself. Then, when anyone dares to challenge them, they play the victim card, claiming any move against them is an attack on Turkey.