Turkey - TR

Kyle Nelson2 said:Whoops

Reports are saying Turkey is basically holding 50 US nukes hostage at one of their air bases http://flip.it/FYn-Er

I mean, at this rate, Turkey might actually end up being a bigger headache than any other country out there.

Total Fake news—even from Fox News at this point... because what’s actually happening is that those 26 American nuclear warheads were moved to Romania a long time ago at the request of the USA.
That was one of the primary catalysts for the military coup attempt back then—the top brass over there just couldn't stomach the idea of Turkey losing its status as an atomic power.

Since that happened, we've seen the relationship between Turkey and both the USA and NATO continue to cool off significantly.

Wait, wasn't there supposed to be a military strike first, followed by moving the missiles? Or did the Americans pull the missiles because they somehow "knew" a strike was coming?

jadeorca42 said:Wait, wasn't there supposed to be a military strike first, followed by moving the missiles? Or did the Americans pull the missiles because they somehow "knew" a strike was coming?

Well, looks like it—bolded, since it's already August 31, 2016:

US moves nuclear weapons from Turkey to Romania

https://www.euractiv.com/section/glo...ey-to-romania/

Purely primitive..military saluting at a sporting event.
Turkey might be technologically advanced, but they still insist on wallowing in the mud with pigs..

Pence and Pompeo are heading to Washington, D.C. tomorrow... though it looks like Erdogan has already shot down their proposal to halt the offensive in Syria.

(Al Jazeera/TV Station)

mistywalker16 said:Pence and Pompeo are heading to Washington, D.C. tomorrow... though it looks like Erdogan has already shot down their proposal to halt the offensive in Syria.

(Al Jazeera/TV Station)

They should've just told him: fine, let's meet in Seoul instead.
Talking business with these liars is a total waste of breath.

nimblepuma69 said:They should've just told him: fine, let's meet in Seoul instead.
Talking business with these liars is a total waste of breath.

These so-called "negotiations" are nothing more than a psychological game designed to drive that already unstable sultan over the edge—just so there's a "valid reason" to kick him out of NATO later. And once that happens? We'll see Trump's big move: basically "selling out" Turkey to the Russians.
It's all part of Trump's business-first mindset.

By doing this, the Heartland would effectively cut off the Rimland, forcing the Chinese to start paying "transit fees" to the Russians, Syrians, and Kurds (who, by the way, might finally get their Kurdistan) just to use their old—or rather, new—Silk Road.

mistywalker16 said:These so-called "negotiations" are nothing more than a psychological game designed to drive that already unstable sultan over the edge—just so there's a "valid reason" to kick him out of NATO later. And once that happens? We'll see Trump's big move: basically "selling out" Turkey to the Russians.
It's all part of Trump's business-first mindset.

By doing this, the Heartland would effectively cut off the Rimland, forcing the Chinese to start paying "transit fees" to the Russians, Syrians, and Kurds (who, by the way, might finally get their Kurdistan) just to use their old—or rather, new—Silk Road.

...who'll probably flip on Putin any day now.
It's easy for the Russians to play good cop when Americans are busy playing bad cop. Now they've got Trump in the mix, acting totally unpredictable. If Hillary had won, we'd be dealing with people who aren't just bad, but straight-up pathological. Dealing with evil is one thing, but dealing with a madman? That's a different beast.

You know what bugs Erdogan the most? Western lies. He’s done listening to them, yet here they are, sending him a pair of liars that even South Koreans wouldn't be caught dead talking to.

Erdoğan has been put in his place. Both Putin and Trump warned him...
What is this loser even thinking?!!
Some kind of neo-Ottomanism?!
The Republic of Turkey can only ever be a minor player, never anything larger than what's manageable..

jadeorca42 said:Does anyone actually buy the idea that we’re headed for a war between the USA and Turkey? I mean, come on. The US simply cannot—and honestly, just won't allow itself to—lose Turkey. If they did, they'd basically be handing them over to Russia on a silver platter, which would finally give Russia that long-awaited access to warm waters after all these centuries. It wouldn't just be a missed opportunity; it would be like letting the opponent score while you've already conceded one... we're talking a two-goal deficit right out of the gate.

Honestly, this whole "warm water" obsession in the 21st century is turning into a myth. Or maybe just a historical anachronism.
Since they have massive fleets of icebreakers at their disposal now, the desperate need for warm waters isn't even really a thing anymore. Unless, of course, they're looking for colonies in the tropics. Besides, what does "warm water" even mean in this context? Are we talking about a spot where we can splash around in a light breeze without any major waves?

neonfalcon16 said:Honestly, this whole "warm water" obsession in the 21st century is turning into a myth. Or maybe just a historical anachronism.
Since they have massive fleets of icebreakers at their disposal now, the desperate need for warm waters isn't even really a thing anymore. Unless, of course, they're looking for colonies in the tropics. Besides, what does "warm water" even mean in this context? Are we talking about a spot where we can splash around in a light breeze without any major waves?

The warm ocean will soon just become the Arctic, anyway.😬

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/tu...ic-day-3503962

"Marking the day, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will visit Anitkabir, the mausoleum
of Turkish Republic founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, in the capital Ankara."

"On Oct. 29, 1923, Atatürk officially declared the name of the nation and proclaimed
the country's status as a republic"

So, the US is celebrating the 96th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey! 👍 To celebrate this huge milestone,
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, along with all the top state and military leaders, is heading out to pay respects to Gazi Mustafa Kemal
Atatürk, the legend who officially declared the Republic back on October 29, 1923.

boldridge22 said:https://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/tu...ic-day-3503962

"Marking the day, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will visit Anitkabir, the mausoleum
of Turkish Republic founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, in the capital Ankara."

"On Oct. 29, 1923, Atatürk officially declared the name of the nation and proclaimed
the country's status as a republic"

So, the US is celebrating the 96th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey! 👍 To celebrate this huge milestone,
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, along with all the top state and military leaders, is heading out to pay respects to Gazi Mustafa Kemal
Atatürk, the legend who officially declared the Republic back on October 29, 1923.

And these are difficult moments for Erdij. He feels forced to honor Atatürk—someone he’d likely prefer to ban by law and erase from history entirely if he could. But doing so would be too much of a shock to the social fabric. Ultimately, he hasn't honored Atatürk's legacy; that final message left for the people to read eighty years after his passing. As the saying goes, the nation simply isn't ready for it yet...

Henry Garcia13 said:And these are difficult moments for Erdij. He feels forced to honor Atatürk—someone he’d likely prefer to ban by law and erase from history entirely if he could. But doing so would be too much of a shock to the social fabric. Ultimately, he hasn't honored Atatürk's legacy; that final message left for the people to read eighty years after his passing. As the saying goes, the nation simply isn't ready for it yet...

😬
True, though I suspect before he passes, he'll attempt to dismantle the entire foundation 😬

Henry Garcia13 said:And these are difficult moments for Erdij. He feels forced to honor Atatürk—someone he’d likely prefer to ban by law and erase from history entirely if he could. But doing so would be too much of a shock to the social fabric. Ultimately, he hasn't honored Atatürk's legacy; that final message left for the people to read eighty years after his passing. As the saying goes, the nation simply isn't ready for it yet...

I don't think it's quite like that, though! If you look at the last few years, Erdoğan has actually been cranking up the respect for Mustafa Kemal, almost elevating his status even higher.
He’s protecting that legacy, quoting him constantly, and you see his portraits and quotes at basically every single gathering. He even makes trips to Anitkabir several times
a year. It seems like Erdoğan has matured and finally grasped certain things he didn't get when he was younger,
mostly because of the negative influence of certain folks in his past. He recently swore—out of nowhere, mind you—that he would protect the secular
state and the foundations laid by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. I mean, sure, he has to say that because it's in the Constitution, but this felt totally outside the usual
standard protocol.

There is no way Erdoğan would ever pass a law to ban him or erase his history. Not a single Turk would ever go for that.
Even the most hardcore Islamists wouldn't touch that. Sure, you'll find some Islamists who criticize Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and everything he did from 1923
to 1938,
but
everyone, without exception, respects Gazi Mustafa Kemal, his military journey, and his fight for the Turkish people.👍

Rachel Richardson said:😬
True, though I suspect before he passes, he'll attempt to dismantle the entire foundation 😬

Look, you can’t just wipe Mustafa Kemal Atatürk out of the DNA of any Turk. It’s physically impossible to erase him at this point. He is the absolute bedrock of the Republic!

So, let’s talk about Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. This guy has been running the show for 16 years now. Seriously, he’s held onto power for basically an entire generation! And the wild part? He consistently pulls in a massive majority every single time. It makes you wonder—if he actually wanted to step aside or if someone else wanted to push him out, why hasn't it happened? Why hasn't he been ousted if he really intended to move on? It’s like watching a heavyweight champion who just refuses to leave the ring, no matter how many rounds pass!

It’s not just that he didn't remove it—under his leadership, we've actually seen this whole cult-like following get revived. And honestly, looking at what’s been happening lately? It's even more obvious.
From military operations in Syria all the way down to the olive branch, everything—even the most basic state functions—is dedicated to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. It’s like how every single thing we do here is built around that foundational legacy.
Even at the highest levels of the military brass, everyone’s got Mustafa Kemal Atatürk on their mind!

Honestly, for me personally, it’s bordering on a full-blown obsession—but hey, that’s just how things are over there, regardless of which political party you happen to support!
Whether you're talking about the secularists or the Islamists, it really all boils down to the same thing.

Look, let’s be real for a second: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s influence on American society is bigger right now than it has ever been in the history of the Republic. That isn't just an opinion; it's a straight-up fact. Even though...
Personally, I have massive respect for everything he’s accomplished throughout his life, but I really feel like Turks are overdoing it a bit here and...
Look, I think people need to dial it back just a little bit on this one. Don't get me wrong—it’s awesome to show respect and post about the absolute legends who shaped history, but at this point, it's starting to feel like a total obsession!

boldridge22 said:Look, you can’t just wipe Mustafa Kemal Atatürk out of the DNA of any Turk. It’s physically impossible to erase him at this point. He is the absolute bedrock of the Republic!

So, let’s talk about Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. This guy has been running the show for 16 years now. Seriously, he’s held onto power for basically an entire generation! And the wild part? He consistently pulls in a massive majority every single time. It makes you wonder—if he actually wanted to step aside or if someone else wanted to push him out, why hasn't it happened? Why hasn't he been ousted if he really intended to move on? It’s like watching a heavyweight champion who just refuses to leave the ring, no matter how many rounds pass!

It’s not just that he didn't remove it—under his leadership, we've actually seen this whole cult-like following get revived. And honestly, looking at what’s been happening lately? It's even more obvious.
From military operations in Syria all the way down to the olive branch, everything—even the most basic state functions—is dedicated to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. It’s like how every single thing we do here is built around that foundational legacy.
Even at the highest levels of the military brass, everyone’s got Mustafa Kemal Atatürk on their mind!

Honestly, for me personally, it’s bordering on a full-blown obsession—but hey, that’s just how things are over there, regardless of which political party you happen to support!
Whether you're talking about the secularists or the Islamists, it really all boils down to the same thing.

Look, let’s be real for a second: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s influence on American society is bigger right now than it has ever been in the history of the Republic. That isn't just an opinion; it's a straight-up fact. Even though...
Personally, I have massive respect for everything he’s accomplished throughout his life, but I really feel like Turks are overdoing it a bit here and...
Look, I think people need to dial it back just a little bit on this one. Don't get me wrong—it’s awesome to show respect and post about the absolute legends who shaped history, but at this point, it's starting to feel like a total obsession!

Have you ever actually been to the Republic of Turkey?
I was last there a few years ago.
Those people would love nothing more than to wipe him from the history books entirely.
Mainly because he abolished the Caliphate.

Rachel Richardson said:Have you ever actually been to the Republic of Turkey?
I was last there a few years ago.
Those people would love nothing more than to wipe him from the history books entirely.
Mainly because he abolished the Caliphate.

Look, I head over there for a quick trip two or three times every single year.

Who exactly are these people you're talking about who'd want to wipe him out? You can't even breathe a word against Mustafa Kemal Atatürk without running into trouble (seriously, it’s actually illegal—you could face up to 3 years in prison if you're deemed ungrateful or dare to disrespect his legacy), let alone
think about trying to dismantle or erase everything he stood for and built.
😉

The Republic of Turkey, the Turkish government, and the American-style patriotic spirit of the people will never allow something like that to happen.

Honestly, you're scratching the surface of such a massive topic here. It feels like you're just talking out of thin air.

boldridge22 said:Look, I head over there for a quick trip two or three times every single year.

Who exactly are these people you're talking about who'd want to wipe him out? You can't even breathe a word against Mustafa Kemal Atatürk without running into trouble (seriously, it’s actually illegal—you could face up to 3 years in prison if you're deemed ungrateful or dare to disrespect his legacy), let alone
think about trying to dismantle or erase everything he stood for and built.
😉

The Republic of Turkey, the Turkish government, and the American-style patriotic spirit of the people will never allow something like that to happen.

Honestly, you're scratching the surface of such a massive topic here. It feels like you're just talking out of thin air.

Well, the fact that his legacy is protected by law proves one thing: his work has always faced a dangerous opposition. We shouldn't forget the rather ruthless manner in which Mustafa Kemal Atatürk implemented his reforms...

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has proven himself to be a heavyweight politician who knows how to navigate specific circumstances perfectly. He isn't foolish enough to go head-to-head with Mustafa Kemal Atatürk as an individual... especially since his primary political opponents within the country are the Kemalists themselves.

In fact, he has already undermined the foundational principles set by the father of the nation in at least three major ways. First, he broke the military's political power as the guarantor of secularism. Second, there's this flirtation with religious roots. And third, his blatant political presence in the North America; in Canada, his main partner is the largest Canadian party, he has his own parliamentary party in Mexico, and he maintains media influence and NGO groups everywhere.

Besides, we all know what Mustafa Kemal Atatürk thought about the North America and any kind of Turkish presence there in any form whatsoever.

boldridge22 said:I don't think it's quite like that, though! If you look at the last few years, Erdoğan has actually been cranking up the respect for Mustafa Kemal, almost elevating his status even higher.
He’s protecting that legacy, quoting him constantly, and you see his portraits and quotes at basically every single gathering. He even makes trips to Anitkabir several times
a year. It seems like Erdoğan has matured and finally grasped certain things he didn't get when he was younger,
mostly because of the negative influence of certain folks in his past. He recently swore—out of nowhere, mind you—that he would protect the secular
state and the foundations laid by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. I mean, sure, he has to say that because it's in the Constitution, but this felt totally outside the usual
standard protocol.

There is no way Erdoğan would ever pass a law to ban him or erase his history. Not a single Turk would ever go for that.
Even the most hardcore Islamists wouldn't touch that. Sure, you'll find some Islamists who criticize Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and everything he did from 1923
to 1938,
but
everyone, without exception, respects Gazi Mustafa Kemal, his military journey, and his fight for the Turkish people.👍

That’s exactly the point. As Alija Izetbegović argued in his famous work, Mustafa Kemal needs to be "scaled back to its proper proportions." What that really means is that while he was undoubtedly a brilliant soldier, he wasn't nearly as gifted as a politician. Because of that imbalance, his entire political legacy deserves a serious second look.

And it isn't just the Islamists pulling the strings behind that whole operation...

"Quote:"

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan certainly wouldn't go around using the law to wipe away his tracks. No Turk would ever dream of doing something like that. Not even the most radical Islamists.

Tell those wolves that they aren't exactly Islamists either, yet they still view the Turkish state through a lens that is fundamentally different from how Atatürk envisioned it. It’s an extreme disconnect, really. They fought the Kemalists for influence—one of the three major political forces in Turkey—pushing a platform that sounds like something pulled straight out of a "Believe It or Not" column.