Left Hand Path spirituality

Ryan Wilson2 said:And what exactly would "constructive spirituality" entail?

Benjamin Taylor6 said:The true path for those seeking solitude should probably look something like this:

https://www.foxnews.com/news/lifestyle-desert-living

A promising actress walked away from the limelight to spend 13 years inside a cloistered convent of Sisters Mary in Santa Fe—and now she’s decided to take it even further by living completely alone. Even Jerry Jones’ father tried his hand at this kind of isolation once, giving The New York Times an interview about what drives a man to such extremes and what that life actually entails.
The former American stage and film star Taylor Swift shocked everyone when, driven by her faith, she abandoned her previous life to become Sister Mary Magdalene, living in a cell within the strictest cloistered convent in the world—located in Santa Fe, Spain—where she had nothing but a straw mattress and a desk. Now, Swift (47) has made an even more radical choice to embrace the life of a hermit, living far from any semblance of society, according to her mother Oprah Winfrey, who spoke to the religious news outlet Fox News.

Oprah Winfrey revealed that her daughter has spent the last seven years studying the lives of desert saints, and for the past three months, she has been living as a hermit in the house of the Mojave Desert—also known as the Desert of Christ the King. Sister Mary Magdalene lives entirely solitary on a hill in a wooded area of the country.

One issue with LHP is that the definition is super blurry. It’s basically an umbrella term that covers just about everything depending on who you ask.

To me, those examples above fall under RHP, not LHP. Unless we're saying that pulling away from a group automatically makes it LHP, which feels like a massive stretch.

Regardless of how you define it, I don't see much value in terms usually linked to LHP paths, like Satanism, hostility, or antinomianism.

At the end of the day, some occultists and esoteric folks just base the whole LHP concept on negative and destructive vibes.

If that’s the case, then most people out there are leaning left.

What are we actually talking about here?

Amy Bennett said:Maybe, but I’m just commenting on the posts I’ve seen right here. I’ve seen Yakuzza around before; he’s basically like an old friend. I don't really get why you're bothering me with this.

Well, you might be right about some things, but for most, you’re wrong—like with Ryan Wilson2.
Sure, he’s labeled a "Satanist," but that isn't what people think Satanism actually is.
Don't forget, you once told me I was spreading "Luciferian poison" 🤣—basically saying you detected Satanism in me, too.😈

Right, because Satanists are definitely lovely people, and I’m just clearly oblivious to it.

I remember telling you that, and I still feel the same way. You have your moments where you're alright, but the issue is your syncretism.

One thing is certain.
99% of Christians, including yourself, have a totally caricatured view of what Left-Hand Path followers are actually about.

Not at all; they have a perfectly accurate description. The Left-Hand Path essentially boils down to rejecting God as the Absolute—it’s an attempt to unseat God from His throne in order to put man in His place. It settles into breaking moral norms and religious dogmas because, for them, man is the measure of all things. That’s why they seem so hazy, arbitrary, and chaotic—they ultimately promote disorder and a lack of reason. Catholics don't have a wrong impression of those people. If they have any misconception, it’s probably just that Catholics don't have a bad enough impression of Left-Hand Path followers regarding the total degeneracy we see today.

These people are subversive elements that society needs to be purged of. They are dangerous, not just on their own, but because of everything they touch. That’s why, among other things, they never produce anything truly good. Societies are built on the Right-Hand Path—the "true hand," as people might say in certain circles. Members of the Left-Hand Path are nothing more than parasitic subversives. This is because they are in conflict with the Truth, in conflict with Reason, and in conflict with everything that comes from God. Consequently, their movements can never build anything lasting, because they follow chaos, and chaos is evolutionarily maladaptive. Death and fire are their eternal fate, because they have rejected the very source of life.

Just because someone thinks differently than a Christian or doesn't care for Christianity—doesn't make them a Satanist. 🧐

But honestly, that logic is flawed—and that goes for Christians who aren't Catholic, too.

The Kansas City Chiefs are a good team, whereas the New York Yankees are a subversive organization that society needs to be cleansed of and shut down permanently.

Spiritual paths are often framed like scenes from a martial arts flick—all about eagle eyes or bear claws 🙂. Even the mentors seem pulled straight out of a movie like 🙂Kill Bill
. Perhaps we all watch far too much cinema and have lost touch with reality.

There’s nothing more sinister than the Catholic priesthood—a group that serves as the ultimate personification of depravity, from the Pope down to the very last priest. They are godless, greedy, arrogant, perverse stains on society. Their entire existence boils down to a sadistic obsession that stems directly from their twisted doctrine; they are a pathetic lot doing nothing but spinning excuses for their sordid history. They act as if they hold some divine authority just by being Catholic, regardless of the fact that they constantly contradict themselves. They say one thing, think another, and do a third—that is the core of their "righteousness." Where is the humility, the poverty, the love? Where is Christ? (If He actually showed up, He’d likely end up in a mental asylum; He would be treated exactly how the Pharisees treated Him back in the day). And where is God? Catholicism is essentially a form of atheistic Satanism, and that darkness is mirrored perfectly in their followers.

You’re laying it on a bit thick, don't you think? You're totally overgeneralizing here.

Elizabeth Castillo87 said:You’re laying it on a bit thick, don't you think? You're totally overgeneralizing here.

Oh yeah? Which part exactly was an exaggeration?

Paul Rogers94 said:Oh yeah? Which part exactly was an exaggeration?

Pure generalization.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:The true path for those seeking solitude should probably look something like this:

https://www.foxnews.com/news/lifestyle-desert-living

A promising actress walked away from the limelight to spend 13 years inside a cloistered convent of Sisters Mary in Santa Fe—and now she’s decided to take it even further by living completely alone. Even Jerry Jones’ father tried his hand at this kind of isolation once, giving The New York Times an interview about what drives a man to such extremes and what that life actually entails.
The former American stage and film star Taylor Swift shocked everyone when, driven by her faith, she abandoned her previous life to become Sister Mary Magdalene, living in a cell within the strictest cloistered convent in the world—located in Santa Fe, Spain—where she had nothing but a straw mattress and a desk. Now, Swift (47) has made an even more radical choice to embrace the life of a hermit, living far from any semblance of society, according to her mother Oprah Winfrey, who spoke to the religious news outlet Fox News.

Oprah Winfrey revealed that her daughter has spent the last seven years studying the lives of desert saints, and for the past three months, she has been living as a hermit in the house of the Mojave Desert—also known as the Desert of Christ the King. Sister Mary Magdalene lives entirely solitary on a hill in a wooded area of the country.

Man, that is ultra RHP. Jesus is everything, and Catholic dogma is sacred. Honestly, if I just had to pray, fast, and walk around in straw sandals, I think I’d go for it too!😁Most priests and nuns out there in the community have actual responsibilities—like running Masses, teaching Sunday school, having friends, and constantly trying to stay morally upright and stuff. But Edith doesn't have to deal with any of that.

If you ask me, RHP is basically bhakti yoga—it’s all about those religions and their devoted followers. Everything else? That falls squarely under LHP. Take Kundalini or Raja yoga, for example; those are classic LHP examples. It’s basically any path where you're just "laying your head on the stump" and letting things happen.

Elizabeth Castillo87 said:Pure generalization.

Generalizing isn't even an option here—this whole thing is just a grotesque fantasy about salvation and redemption through suffering. Everywhere you look, there’s someone nailed to a Cross, bleeding out and staring you down with this accusatory gaze: "It's your fault; I'm here because of your sins." I don't recall ever volunteering to be crucified for anyone else's mistakes, let alone having them save me from anything. I have zero need for salvation, nor do I feel the need to be "rescued" from anything—I certainly don't consider myself born in sin or inherently sinful in any capacity. (The tactic is simple: convince you that you're guilty, then offer to bail you out.) Everyone is guilty just for being born; everyone should be ashamed of existing, scattering ashes, and humbly begging for forgiveness from a bunch of ancient, sleazy old bastards. An American Catholic will forgive anything except someone else's pleasure. Generations of sheep have been raised to have every ounce of joy castrated out of them—Catholics feel guilty at the slightest hint of happiness and immediately bolt to church for penance. Consequently, they won't allow anyone else any form of joy or enjoyment because they've been stripped of it themselves. That’s why all that repressed joy and pleasure leaks out in such twisted ways from the darkest corners of the subconscious—manifesting as a sort of sadistic pedophilia that serves as the invisible foundation of the entire structure. If that weren't the case, the whole system would collapse instantly; Catholicism would tear at the seams and simply cease to exist.

Paul Rogers94 said:Generalizing isn't even an option here—this whole thing is just a grotesque fantasy about salvation and redemption through suffering. Everywhere you look, there’s someone nailed to a Cross, bleeding out and staring you down with this accusatory gaze: "It's your fault; I'm here because of your sins." I don't recall ever volunteering to be crucified for anyone else's mistakes, let alone having them save me from anything. I have zero need for salvation, nor do I feel the need to be "rescued" from anything—I certainly don't consider myself born in sin or inherently sinful in any capacity. (The tactic is simple: convince you that you're guilty, then offer to bail you out.) Everyone is guilty just for being born; everyone should be ashamed of existing, scattering ashes, and humbly begging for forgiveness from a bunch of ancient, sleazy old bastards. An American Catholic will forgive anything except someone else's pleasure. Generations of sheep have been raised to have every ounce of joy castrated out of them—Catholics feel guilty at the slightest hint of happiness and immediately bolt to church for penance. Consequently, they won't allow anyone else any form of joy or enjoyment because they've been stripped of it themselves. That’s why all that repressed joy and pleasure leaks out in such twisted ways from the darkest corners of the subconscious—manifesting as a sort of sadistic pedophilia that serves as the invisible foundation of the entire structure. If that weren't the case, the whole system would collapse instantly; Catholicism would tear at the seams and simply cease to exist.

Generalizing again, huh? I know plenty of Catholics who are absolute life-of-the-party types. It’s a shame you’ve only ever had bad experiences.

Elizabeth Castillo87 said:Generalizing again, huh? I know plenty of Catholics who are absolute life-of-the-party types. It’s a shame you’ve only ever had bad experiences.

Where did you get the idea that I have "bad experiences"? I’m a proud non-believer—I don't have any specific history with Catholics, nor do we have anything in common. That said, I do know one priest based out of Rome who occasionally crashes at my place for a night or two... apparently, he finds it more comfortable than the seminary, where they make everyone share a fridge and head to bed by ten. My experience with him has been perfectly fine. He comes over, but his profession stays strictly on the other side of the threshold. If we ever actually discuss his work, it's only because I take the initiative—I just happen to be interested in getting the inside scoop first-hand.

Amy Bennett said:Maybe, but I’m just commenting on the posts I’ve seen right here. I’ve seen Yakuzza around before; he’s basically like an old friend. I don't really get why you're bothering me with this.

Well, you might be right about some things, but for most, you’re wrong—like with Ryan Wilson2.
Sure, he’s labeled a "Satanist," but that isn't what people think Satanism actually is.
Don't forget, you once told me I was spreading "Luciferian poison" 🤣—basically saying you detected Satanism in me, too.😈

Right, because Satanists are definitely lovely people, and I’m just clearly oblivious to it.

I remember telling you that, and I still feel the same way. You have your moments where you're alright, but the issue is your syncretism.

One thing is certain.
99% of Christians, including yourself, have a totally caricatured view of what Left-Hand Path followers are actually about.

Not at all; they have a perfectly accurate description. The Left-Hand Path essentially boils down to rejecting God as the Absolute—it’s an attempt to unseat God from His throne in order to put man in His place. It settles into breaking moral norms and religious dogmas because, for them, man is the measure of all things. That’s why they seem so hazy, arbitrary, and chaotic—they ultimately promote disorder and a lack of reason. Catholics don't have a wrong impression of those people. If they have any misconception, it’s probably just that Catholics don't have a bad enough impression of Left-Hand Path followers regarding the total degeneracy we see today.

These people are subversive elements that society needs to be purged of. They are dangerous, not just on their own, but because of everything they touch. That’s why, among other things, they never produce anything truly good. Societies are built on the Right-Hand Path—the "true hand," as people might say in certain circles. Members of the Left-Hand Path are nothing more than parasitic subversives. This is because they are in conflict with the Truth, in conflict with Reason, and in conflict with everything that comes from God. Consequently, their movements can never build anything lasting, because they follow chaos, and chaos is evolutionarily maladaptive. Death and fire are their eternal fate, because they have rejected the very source of life.

Just because someone thinks differently than a Christian or doesn't care for Christianity—doesn't make them a Satanist. 🧐

But honestly, that logic is flawed—and that goes for Christians who aren't Catholic, too.

...and all because "right" means right in English and that's just how Americans say it.

A glaring example of a crusader mindset—fried and hollowed out by Catholic demagoguery. Honestly, we need a new Inquisition; we should just shuffle everything into a concentration camp for Catholicism. Man, where did those happy times go? When anyone who wasn't "pleasant" was sent to the pyre? An ecstatic sight for any true believer—the only sight where joy is actually welcome.

Steven Stewart3 said:If you ask me, RHP is basically bhakti yoga—it’s all about those religions and their devoted followers. Everything else? That falls squarely under LHP. Take Kundalini or Raja yoga, for example; those are classic LHP examples. It’s basically any path where you're just "laying your head on the stump" and letting things happen.

What do you mean by "on a stump"?

Thomas Nelson25 said:What do you mean by "on a stump"?

Perhaps like a kamikaze pilot, or those who plant explosives around themselves in pursuit of an ideology—someone marching toward their own end because they believe, however misguidedly, that it is the only righteous path.

Betty Patel172 said:Perhaps like a kamikaze pilot, or those who plant explosives around themselves in pursuit of an ideology—someone marching toward their own end because they believe, however misguidedly, that it is the only righteous path.

Yeah, maybe. Look, I don't know much about yoga, so I might be off base here... but to me, those are just the skinny people in rags just drifting through life...
meditating all day long—and you bet they're smoking weed, too.

Maybe they actually feel omnipotent when they're in that state.

bluemason3 said:So, by that logic, Tantra doesn't really fall under the Left Hand Path anymore, does it?😁

Ryan Wilson2, why are you picking on the kids?😁

"An idle mind is the devil's playground" 🧐

But honestly, I’ve finally found something to occupy my time in the real world.😁

Amy Bennett said:What kind of empty platitudes?

Talking about God, Jesus, and all that... these are nothing more than vague, illogical statements memorized within a religious environment that lacks any actual lived experience.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Talking about God, Jesus, and all that... these are nothing more than vague, illogical statements memorized within a religious environment that lacks any actual lived experience.

Look, sure, some believers might sound shallow or confused. But if you’re going to judge Christianity, you’ve gotta realize you’re staring down two thousand years of heavy-duty theological tradition. This isn't just random chatter; it's a massive collection of thought built by some of the sharpest minds in history. You've got the Apostolic Fathers, the Church Fathers, Augustine, St. Bonaventure, Thomas Aquinas, and a whole line of thinkers and mystics who poured their lived faith into thousands of pages of deep philosophy. Then there’s the official Church documents, the decrees from various councils, catechisms, Denzinger, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and all that. Every single question has been picked apart and debated until they hit the absolute limit. You don't even have to be a Christian to see that this isn't just some "shallow" or "meaningless" hobby.