Left Hand Path spirituality

Let Thomas and Augustine worry about me—they don't need to bother—but I'll concede this much: some form of original Christianity holds genuine wisdom. There's no denying that. But it was completely butchered by various Thomists through their "thoroughly detailed" elaborations... This institutionalized version of Christianity just twisted interpretations to suit its own needs—all in the pursuit of wealth, power, and dominance. It led directly to the Great Schism and eventually to the pure darkness we see today, where they just breed more mindless sheep to secure their "credibility" and the perks they enjoy... begone, Satan.

What actually counts as authentic Christianity... just some folk legend about an archetypal Messiah?

Thomas Nelson25 said:What actually counts as authentic Christianity... just some folk legend about an archetypal Messiah?

I'm not convinced the source lies in any sort of tradition—it's found in gnosis (direct experience of truth). Jesus and Buddha likely never even existed as historical figures; they are merely external symbols of the Self (what we truly are—Atman), dramatized through the stories of Christ and Buddha. They serve only to point toward the fact that everyone is, at their core, a Buddha or a Christ. That said, one has to discover this personally—there is no such thing as collective salvation. If you take the Crucified as a literal person and worship him, then you're just practicing idolatry; but if you recognize the Christ (the Self) within the Crucified, then it’s something else entirely.

Paul Rogers94 said:Let Thomas and Augustine worry about me—they don't need to bother—but I'll concede this much: some form of original Christianity holds genuine wisdom. There's no denying that. But it was completely butchered by various Thomists through their "thoroughly detailed" elaborations... This institutionalized version of Christianity just twisted interpretations to suit its own needs—all in the pursuit of wealth, power, and dominance. It led directly to the Great Schism and eventually to the pure darkness we see today, where they just breed more mindless sheep to secure their "credibility" and the perks they enjoy... begone, Satan.

My whole point was just this: no matter how much someone disagrees with a religion, there's so much accumulated wisdom over the centuries that any intellectually honest person owes it at least a shred of respect. Take me, for example—I don't buy the core tenets of Buddhism (just using that as a placeholder, applies to any non-Christian faith or philosophy), but that doesn't mean I'm going to toss the whole tradition in the trash as "stupid" or "pointless." There were real people within that tradition who actually tried to figure stuff out. Those people weren't idiots. I might disagree with them, but I won't look down on them. If I ever find myself debating them in the future, I'll actually take their foundational texts into account instead of just dismissing them based on my own biases. I'm not going to get bogged down in the other stuff you brought up.

1. To really drive home just how murky the whole LHP vs. RHP theory is, I’m going to have to shock you a little bit
with a practical example rather than just empty words.

2. As you all know—even if you don't quite remember it—we all arrived in this world via our mother's biological rocket ship, landing on a slippery airfield known as the vagina.

3. It’s also common knowledge that, theoretically speaking, the Catholic Church represents the RHP, while old man Aleister Crowley represents the LHP.

4. Or, to put it in the words of our friend Alistair—the Catholic Church is the one true religion on Earth, while Crowley is a Satanist.

5. But honestly, it is absolutely staggering how the extreme right and the extreme left constantly collide in an infinite loop, finding themselves thinking exactly the same thing about certain life issues. 🙏

6. For instance, the Catholic Church is quite vocal in stating that a forced termination of pregnancy is a vile and shameful murder...

7. And yet, Crowley says the exact same thing in his writings! 😲

8. You would naturally expect a "Satanist" like Crowley to champion "individual rights," but nope!! He was just as clear-cut as the Pope.

9. Forced termination of pregnancy is a low, despicable murder! 😲

10. Or, to put it in aviation terms: anyone who prevents passengers from completing their landing through the vagina is a terrorist. 😲

(P.S. I am intentionally avoiding the popular term "abortion," which feels like it doesn't actually mean anything anymore. Using the phrase "forced termination of pregnancy" actually carries some weight. 😉

It’s actually quite interesting how some people argue that Crowley was more of an RHP figure than an LHP one 😲

For instance, it seems like Gurdjieff might have been "more LHP" 🙄 than Crowley himself..

Regardless, while it’s helpful to have some sort of framework, these things remain pretty murky.

Take my colleague Baphomet, for example; he maintains that he’s an atheist. He might truly believe that, but I once wrote to him and, in my opinion, "proved" 🙄 that he isn't an atheist at all—and that given the nature of his work, he would have ended up in a Soviet Union gulag... even though Atheism was the official state religion and that subject was taught at EVERY university in the USSR!

Of course, I realize that when Baphomet claims to be an atheist, he probably means he doesn't belong to any organized religion and doesn't subscribe to their gods or rules. But to 99% of atheists, he wouldn't qualify as one 😉 because most atheists view Baphomet's practices as being just as much of a series of eccentricities and bizarre antics as those practiced by religious believers.

hiddenpuma75 said:It’s actually quite interesting how some people argue that Crowley was more of an RHP figure than an LHP one 😲

For instance, it seems like Gurdjieff might have been "more LHP" 🙄 than Crowley himself..

Regardless, while it’s helpful to have some sort of framework, these things remain pretty murky.

Take my colleague Baphomet, for example; he maintains that he’s an atheist. He might truly believe that, but I once wrote to him and, in my opinion, "proved" 🙄 that he isn't an atheist at all—and that given the nature of his work, he would have ended up in a Soviet Union gulag... even though Atheism was the official state religion and that subject was taught at EVERY university in the USSR!

Of course, I realize that when Baphomet claims to be an atheist, he probably means he doesn't belong to any organized religion and doesn't subscribe to their gods or rules. But to 99% of atheists, he wouldn't qualify as one 😉 because most atheists view Baphomet's practices as being just as much of a series of eccentricities and bizarre antics as those practiced by religious believers.

What subject are we talking about here, "Atheism"? Do you actually have a source for that, or are you just talking nonsense?

mistyscout2 said:What subject are we talking about here, "Atheism"? Do you actually have a source for that, or are you just talking nonsense?

A little piece of advice: try to avoid communicating late at night, otherwise you start getting a bit unpleasant.
Exhaustion eventually takes over, and your true nature tends to leak out once your rational control starts to slip.😉

My source is a good friend of mine from Mexico City who ended up studying at the College of Physical Culture in Moscow. (She’s actually the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in person.)
She’s a bit of a "semi-public figure," so there are plenty of photos and videos of her out there, but I’d rather not share them.

Anyway, she mentioned in a public interview that her toughest subject back in Moscow was Atheism, simply because she was a devout Orthodox Christian.

But honestly, why is anyone surprised?
The plan to dismantle religion within the Soviet Union was never a secret.
China and the Russians systematically worked to destroy religion and fought against it; so, acting surprised that Atheism was an official university subject is just as silly as being shocked that Marxism was taught at technical colleges in America.
For what it's worth, I even had to pass it myself under the famous Boris Vuskovic and the even more well-known Marina Jurjevic (a little legend), both of whom were staunch Marxists.🙄

Here is a small glimpse into the shame and the crimes the Russians committed against their own people and culture regarding religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_the_USSR

By the way, back when I was a young student in Moscow, I’ll never forget the look on my conversation partner's face when he realized from our chat that I viewed materialism as a limited paradigm and felt it was actually quite likely that God exists. I told him I wasn't exactly a "practical" believer, but that everything pointed me toward the idea that a Creator does exist. To put it more philosophically, God doesn't exist in the same banal, mundane way that everyday objects do, but He is certainly there 😉 ..
His expression was this strange cocktail of contempt, bewilderment, and pity...

He just muttered, "But how can someone as much of an intellectual as you believe in such nonsense..." 😲

Then he handed me a little booklet called *The Young Atheist's Dictionary*—which I actually still keep. (I do happen to speak Russian quite well 👍 )

It's funny to notice how a Jehovah's Witness and a young American atheist student would both push their propaganda with that exact same level of fervor.

hiddenpuma75 said:A little piece of advice: try to avoid communicating late at night, otherwise you start getting a bit unpleasant.
Exhaustion eventually takes over, and your true nature tends to leak out once your rational control starts to slip.😉

My source is a good friend of mine from Mexico City who ended up studying at the College of Physical Culture in Moscow. (She’s actually the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in person.)
She’s a bit of a "semi-public figure," so there are plenty of photos and videos of her out there, but I’d rather not share them.

Anyway, she mentioned in a public interview that her toughest subject back in Moscow was Atheism, simply because she was a devout Orthodox Christian.

But honestly, why is anyone surprised?
The plan to dismantle religion within the Soviet Union was never a secret.
China and the Russians systematically worked to destroy religion and fought against it; so, acting surprised that Atheism was an official university subject is just as silly as being shocked that Marxism was taught at technical colleges in America.
For what it's worth, I even had to pass it myself under the famous Boris Vuskovic and the even more well-known Marina Jurjevic (a little legend), both of whom were staunch Marxists.🙄

Here is a small glimpse into the shame and the crimes the Russians committed against their own people and culture regarding religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_the_USSR

Oh, come on, you've gotta be kidding me. LOL.

hiddenpuma75 said:A little piece of advice: try to avoid communicating late at night, otherwise you start getting a bit unpleasant.
Exhaustion eventually takes over, and your true nature tends to leak out once your rational control starts to slip.😉

My source is a good friend of mine from Mexico City who ended up studying at the College of Physical Culture in Moscow. (She’s actually the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in person.)
She’s a bit of a "semi-public figure," so there are plenty of photos and videos of her out there, but I’d rather not share them.

Anyway, she mentioned in a public interview that her toughest subject back in Moscow was Atheism, simply because she was a devout Orthodox Christian.

But honestly, why is anyone surprised?
The plan to dismantle religion within the Soviet Union was never a secret.
China and the Russians systematically worked to destroy religion and fought against it; so, acting surprised that Atheism was an official university subject is just as silly as being shocked that Marxism was taught at technical colleges in America.
For what it's worth, I even had to pass it myself under the famous Boris Vuskovic and the even more well-known Marina Jurjevic (a little legend), both of whom were staunch Marxists.🙄

Here is a small glimpse into the shame and the crimes the Russians committed against their own people and culture regarding religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_the_USSR

Well, no, that’s a given. It's pretty much common knowledge at this point. And you're absolutely right—it’s well-documented that people were locked up and persecuted there for all sorts of fringe beliefs, just like they were for traditional religion, but honestly, that's old news. What really trips me up, though, is the idea of an actual "Atheism" course. I mean, can you imagine? The professor just walks into the first lecture and goes, "Good morning, class, by the way, God doesn't exist," and then just carries on like that for the rest of the semester. 😁 I'd probably say it would have been more accurate to call the mandatory subject "dialectical materialism" rather than just plain old Atheism.

hiddenpuma75 said:A little piece of advice: try to avoid communicating late at night, otherwise you start getting a bit unpleasant.
Exhaustion eventually takes over, and your true nature tends to leak out once your rational control starts to slip.😉

My source is a good friend of mine from Mexico City who ended up studying at the College of Physical Culture in Moscow. (She’s actually the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in person.)
She’s a bit of a "semi-public figure," so there are plenty of photos and videos of her out there, but I’d rather not share them.

Anyway, she mentioned in a public interview that her toughest subject back in Moscow was Atheism, simply because she was a devout Orthodox Christian.

But honestly, why is anyone surprised?
The plan to dismantle religion within the Soviet Union was never a secret.
China and the Russians systematically worked to destroy religion and fought against it; so, acting surprised that Atheism was an official university subject is just as silly as being shocked that Marxism was taught at technical colleges in America.
For what it's worth, I even had to pass it myself under the famous Boris Vuskovic and the even more well-known Marina Jurjevic (a little legend), both of whom were staunch Marxists.🙄

Here is a small glimpse into the shame and the crimes the Russians committed against their own people and culture regarding religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_the_USSR

If you just focus on the core of the matter, things won't seem quite so baffling. I really want to emphasize that I'm not talking about how weird atheism was back in the Soviet Union; rather, I’m looking at the actual concept of "Atheism" itself. When you strip it down, atheism is essentially an empty concept—it doesn't really have much substance to devote oneself to. That's why I've mentioned before that it would be more accurate to say the subject being taught was actually "dialectical materialism." It isn't that I find the presence of atheism in the Soviet Union surprising...🙄I honestly don't quite get why you're so surprised by that; to me, it really comes down to the actual concept of what we even mean when we use the term "Atheism."

hiddenpuma75 said:A little piece of advice: try to avoid communicating late at night, otherwise you start getting a bit unpleasant.
Exhaustion eventually takes over, and your true nature tends to leak out once your rational control starts to slip.😉

My source is a good friend of mine from Mexico City who ended up studying at the College of Physical Culture in Moscow. (She’s actually the most beautiful woman I’ve ever met in person.)
She’s a bit of a "semi-public figure," so there are plenty of photos and videos of her out there, but I’d rather not share them.

Anyway, she mentioned in a public interview that her toughest subject back in Moscow was Atheism, simply because she was a devout Orthodox Christian.

But honestly, why is anyone surprised?
The plan to dismantle religion within the Soviet Union was never a secret.
China and the Russians systematically worked to destroy religion and fought against it; so, acting surprised that Atheism was an official university subject is just as silly as being shocked that Marxism was taught at technical colleges in America.
For what it's worth, I even had to pass it myself under the famous Boris Vuskovic and the even more well-known Marina Jurjevic (a little legend), both of whom were staunch Marxists.🙄

Here is a small glimpse into the shame and the crimes the Russians committed against their own people and culture regarding religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_religion_in_the_USSR

I mean, sure, you could look at it that way, but you were studying something like "Marxism" or "dialectical materialism," if I recall correctly, rather than just plain old "Atheism." And honestly, that’s not some minor semantic nitpick—there's actually a pretty big difference there.

hiddenpuma75 said:By the way, back when I was a young student in Moscow, I’ll never forget the look on my conversation partner's face when he realized from our chat that I viewed materialism as a limited paradigm and felt it was actually quite likely that God exists. I told him I wasn't exactly a "practical" believer, but that everything pointed me toward the idea that a Creator does exist. To put it more philosophically, God doesn't exist in the same banal, mundane way that everyday objects do, but He is certainly there 😉 ..
His expression was this strange cocktail of contempt, bewilderment, and pity...

He just muttered, "But how can someone as much of an intellectual as you believe in such nonsense..." 😲

Then he handed me a little booklet called *The Young Atheist's Dictionary*—which I actually still keep. (I do happen to speak Russian quite well 👍 )

It's funny to notice how a Jehovah's Witness and a young American atheist student would both push their propaganda with that exact same level of fervor.

A young Marxist doesn't believe in miracles,
instead, he puts all his faith in Marx and Engels.

🧐 🤣

So basically, all spirituality is just right-wing... but why does that even matter?

People start throwing around all these weird conditions and acting all high and mighty—preaching about "family values" or acting like some holier-than-thou preacher.

hiddenpuma75 said:1. To really drive home just how murky the whole LHP vs. RHP theory is, I’m going to have to shock you a little bit
with a practical example rather than just empty words.

2. As you all know—even if you don't quite remember it—we all arrived in this world via our mother's biological rocket ship, landing on a slippery airfield known as the vagina.

3. It’s also common knowledge that, theoretically speaking, the Catholic Church represents the RHP, while old man Aleister Crowley represents the LHP.

4. Or, to put it in the words of our friend Alistair—the Catholic Church is the one true religion on Earth, while Crowley is a Satanist.

5. But honestly, it is absolutely staggering how the extreme right and the extreme left constantly collide in an infinite loop, finding themselves thinking exactly the same thing about certain life issues. 🙏

6. For instance, the Catholic Church is quite vocal in stating that a forced termination of pregnancy is a vile and shameful murder...

7. And yet, Crowley says the exact same thing in his writings! 😲

8. You would naturally expect a "Satanist" like Crowley to champion "individual rights," but nope!! He was just as clear-cut as the Pope.

9. Forced termination of pregnancy is a low, despicable murder! 😲

10. Or, to put it in aviation terms: anyone who prevents passengers from completing their landing through the vagina is a terrorist. 😲

(P.S. I am intentionally avoiding the popular term "abortion," which feels like it doesn't actually mean anything anymore. Using the phrase "forced termination of pregnancy" actually carries some weight. 😉

In this era of post-postmodern "end of history," even the birds on the roof seem to be singing that the distinction between a "terrorist" and a "freedom fighter" really just comes down to which side of the barricade you happen to be standing on. It’s also become painfully obvious that the moment you step out of the airport terminal, you're entering a zone where violence has become normalized. I’m hoping I don't have to go into too much detail here, but if you're truly craving my long-winded essays, just say the word.

Take one example: back when the Mongols were sweeping across the plains, they’d raid and slaughter pretty much anything that didn't serve their immediate interests. Looking back from where we stand today, it seems absolutely horrific. But if you look at it through the eyes of a warrior back then—or even a farmer who happened to be in their path—there was actually a certain grim humanity in killing someone quickly rather than leaving them to slowly starve to death after you've already stolen their food supplies and taken their only cow. We like to act all high and mighty with our modern sensibilities, but let's be honest: we are all descendants of the most successful killers, the craftiest farmers, and the most submissive members of society. It’s baked right into our DNA, and it really just comes down to how each of us chooses to deal with that reality.

Speaking from the perspective of someone very close to her, this wasn't just some impulsive decision—it was about survival. She made a heartbreakingly rational choice because she knew, deep down, that her child would have faced a different kind of starvation: emotional neglect. She actually lived through this herself. The first thing she heard when she landed at the airport after being born was, "I didn't want a girl, just take her away." Even though her mother eventually accepted her physically once postpartum depression subsided, that emotional connection never truly healed. It left a permanent scar. To her, bringing a child into that kind of suffering didn't feel like an option. Fast forward to today, and she’s a mother to a first-grader living in a different state. Shortly after giving birth, I remember asking her how she felt about motherhood, and her response was just devastating: "I never wanted this, but here we are." I can't even begin to tell you how much that broke my heart to hear. I don't know how the laws or the culture work these days, but whenever I see her on Facebook, she’s still the same person. I just wish her nothing but the best.

Joseph Bailey41, you’re basically the American female version of Jordan Peterson. 😁

mistyscout2 said:Joseph Bailey41, you’re basically the American female version of Jordan Peterson. 😁

Even the Facebook algorithm seems to think so (bless its soul 🙏). I actually tried one of those filters where you upload a photo to see what you'd look like as a man, and the screen just stared back at me with his face. Honestly, though, he looked a lot better than I do—and had way fewer wrinkles. 😒

Just a quick correction regarding a misquoted point here:

When Crowley was talking about ritual infertility, he was actually referring to basic old-fashioned masturbation. You know, just wasting seed through solo play. For ritualistic reasons, obviously. A practitioner of LHP takes that energy that would normally go toward creating a new life and redirects it toward their own personal evolution. in Your faca god / Evolution. 🙂

Besides, women are already shedding unfertilized eggs and bits of nesting material on a monthly basis. Meanwhile, they’re out there wearing white pants, going skydiving, shaking it at nightclubs, and sipping tequila with their partners in crime. Whether they realize it or not, they are mass killers. They're basically Peterson's dragons.
🙂

So... did Peterson join LHP? 🤔

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Joseph Bailey41 said:Just a quick correction regarding a misquoted point here:

When Crowley was talking about ritual infertility, he was actually referring to basic old-fashioned masturbation. You know, just wasting seed through solo play. For ritualistic reasons, obviously. A practitioner of LHP takes that energy that would normally go toward creating a new life and redirects it toward their own personal evolution. in Your faca god / Evolution. 🙂

Besides, women are already shedding unfertilized eggs and bits of nesting material on a monthly basis. Meanwhile, they’re out there wearing white pants, going skydiving, shaking it at nightclubs, and sipping tequila with their partners in crime. Whether they realize it or not, they are mass killers. They're basically Peterson's dragons.
🙂

So, about stroking a tomcat...

Quote : Weekend Warrior

Joseph Bailey41 said:So... did Peterson join LHP? 🤔

Man, looking at this clip, he’s definitely throwing some shade at Gargamel.

Gerald Jackson48 said:Quote : Weekend Warrior

So, about stroking a tomcat...

Quote : Weekend Warrior

Man, looking at this clip, he’s definitely throwing some shade at Gargamel.

Yeah, I agree. 🤣

And you can see how much people are getting caught up in .... It's world-class trolling, if you ask me. 🧐

Gerald Jackson48 said:Quote : Weekend Warrior

So, about stroking a tomcat...

Quote : Weekend Warrior

Man, looking at this clip, he’s definitely throwing some shade at Gargamel.

I was actually just thinking about how he really needs a sophisticated, sharp-witted woman for his next debate. Katie Couric would be a perfect fit. 😈

As far as I can tell, people see left and right paths as a split between black and white magic. Personally, I’d argue there's a gray path that acts as the center. You see this kind of symbolism in the Bible when the sheep are divided into white, black, and speckled—and Jacob makes sure he keeps the speckled ones for himself, since they outnumber the rest.