The Power of Humility

hiddenhound3 said:Yet, we are all simply who we are 😁

Can anyone truly claim to be someone they are not? 😳

I fail to see how this relates to the ego at all.

That’s it. I really don't understand what part of this is escaping you.

Melissa Stewart6 said:You say people don't read the Bible, but I’d argue that most people just don't read much of anything these days.

True enough, but eighty to ninety percent of the population isn't going to cite some other book they've never even heard of.

Does Capital count? 🕺

Joseph Bailey41 said:If you pluck that sentence out of context like this, it doesn't seem so bad. You have those "I am" meditations which are actually pretty decent; they don't lead to egoism at all, but rather help you experience yourself and the world more fully by stripping away those rigid social roles we play. However, once you look at the entire Bible and those gems like "I am a jealous God," "do not have other gods besides me," and all those "wonderful" scenes of mass slaughter personally sanctioned by YHWH himself... well, then we’re in real trouble.🕺

That sentence isn't scary at all; in fact, it’s everything you really need to know about who you are.
And there's a whole chapter for the advanced students, too. 😁

Jamie Davis9 said:That’s it. I really don't understand what part of this is escaping you.

True enough, but eighty to ninety percent of the population isn't going to cite some other book they've never even heard of.

Wait, ninety percent of people actually cite the Bible? Are you serious?

Melissa Stewart6 said:Wait, ninety percent of people actually cite the Bible? Are you serious?

I’m not entirely certain on the specifics, but if I recall correctly, there’s a significant number of registered Catholics in this part of the country, isn't there?

Joseph Bailey41 said:Does Capital count? 🕺

And look, I might come across as completely clueless here, but I don't even know where you're located.
In my neck of the woods, you can barely find seasonal workers, let alone someone who would swear an oath on Capital.

Jamie Davis9 said:I’m not entirely certain on the specifics, but if I recall correctly, there’s a significant number of registered Catholics in this part of the country, isn't there?

And look, I might come across as completely clueless here, but I don't even know where you're located.
In my neck of the woods, you can barely find seasonal workers, let alone someone who would swear an oath on Capital.

That doesn't necessarily mean they're citing the Bible. Do you actually know anyone who uses the Bible as their basis? Because if you say 9 out of 10 people do, I'd love to see the proof.

Jamie Davis9 said:I’m not entirely certain on the specifics, but if I recall correctly, there’s a significant number of registered Catholics in this part of the country, isn't there?

And look, I might come across as completely clueless here, but I don't even know where you're located.
In my neck of the woods, you can barely find seasonal workers, let alone someone who would swear an oath on Capital.

Where I'm from, we deal with a whole different kind of curse, which might mean we aren't actually that far apart after all. 🤣

Melissa Stewart6 said:That doesn't necessarily mean they're citing the Bible. Do you actually know anyone who uses the Bible as their basis? Because if you say 9 out of 10 people do, I'd love to see the proof.

Yeah, they do.

Jamie Davis9 said:I’m not entirely certain on the specifics, but if I recall correctly, there’s a significant number of registered Catholics in this part of the country, isn't there?

And look, I might come across as completely clueless here, but I don't even know where you're located.
In my neck of the woods, you can barely find seasonal workers, let alone someone who would swear an oath on Capital.

Of course they can find workers. They just need to offer better benefits, but those big-shot tourism moguls won't budge. Now they're getting exactly what they deserve for being so cheap. Honestly, I'm kind of enjoying watching this play out...

Robert Reyes4 said:You’ve basically taken some spiritual teaching—heaven knows which one—and treated it like absolute truth. Just remember that's your own choice. None of this is provable, and the rest of us are free to believe something else entirely.
And yet, you’re presenting your claims as if they’re universal axioms, without even trying to make a convincing argument.

I honestly don't see the point in these endless, vague tug-of-war debates. Especially when dealing with topics involving Philosophy and Spirituality, where most people aren't even interested in discovering anything new or grasping deep concepts. Instead, they just want to vent their own little impressions. They can't stay focused on the actual principles or the logic we've been discussing for ages. Every single time someone offers an input that doesn't align perfectly with their worldview, or asks for a deeper dive, they pivot immediately to "Me vs. You." It just turns into a circular, ego-driven shouting match about who's more enlightened or right.

There’s an ignore button for a reason. No need to waste your precious energy on stuff that clearly doesn't resonate with you.

Anyone sitting around just waiting to be convinced by outsiders about what the truth is—without any desire to build their own intellectual toolkit or develop their own way of seeing things—they'll be waiting a long time before they actually see reality for what it is. Honestly? Those are the exact kind of people who are just begging to be manipulated.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I actually liked her when she was posting about her grandmother on a different subforum. She sounded like such a lovely woman—tiny, but full of fire (though I'm talking about the grandma, I don't really know Cherie. 😳 )

The whole idea of humility just doesn't sit right with me. To be honest, I find the entire concept repulsive. I tried to wrap my head around it because I thought it might help me on my spiritual journey, but I just can't do it. It actually makes me feel physically uneasy when people start pushing those kinds of ideals. Other things high on my "nope" list include the idea of forgiveness and following your heart instead of your head. I usually just scroll past stuff like that.

To me, that sounds like slavery.

But hey, I get that everyone perceives things differently. There was once a user whose signature was incredibly tacky (something about glorifying service), yet her actual posts were wonderful.

Everyone is entitled to their perspective, but this specific attitude toward humility is reminiscent of how settlers acted during the conquest of the USA, the displacement of Native Americans, and the era of slavery, which effectively subjugated entire populations. Even today, we remain enslaved to various metals and non-metals. 🙂

Betty Patel172 said:Everyone is entitled to their perspective, but this specific attitude toward humility is reminiscent of how settlers acted during the conquest of the USA, the displacement of Native Americans, and the era of slavery, which effectively subjugated entire populations. Even today, we remain enslaved to various metals and non-metals. 🙂

Sources?

From what I understand, those settlers were Christians, and they placed such a huge emphasis on things like humility and forgiveness. So, how does it make sense that things turned out the way they did? ☕

hollowpuma762 said:I honestly don't see the point in these endless, vague tug-of-war debates. Especially when dealing with topics involving Philosophy and Spirituality, where most people aren't even interested in discovering anything new or grasping deep concepts. Instead, they just want to vent their own little impressions. They can't stay focused on the actual principles or the logic we've been discussing for ages. Every single time someone offers an input that doesn't align perfectly with their worldview, or asks for a deeper dive, they pivot immediately to "Me vs. You." It just turns into a circular, ego-driven shouting match about who's more enlightened or right.

There’s an ignore button for a reason. No need to waste your precious energy on stuff that clearly doesn't resonate with you.

Anyone sitting around just waiting to be convinced by outsiders about what the truth is—without any desire to build their own intellectual toolkit or develop their own way of seeing things—they'll be waiting a long time before they actually see reality for what it is. Honestly? Those are the exact kind of people who are just begging to be manipulated.

Does "groups" here mean people?
Because they probably haven't earned that kind of label.

Robert Reyes4 said:Does "groups" here mean people?
Because they probably haven't earned that kind of label.

It doesn't bother me personally; I've been called much worse than that.

To me, humility really means having true self-awareness—knowing exactly who you are, where you came from, and what kind of value you actually bring to the community.
Bringing up figures like Jesus, Mary, or Buddha doesn't really apply here, does it? They don't have personal accounts of their own lives to share; we only have the perspectives of those who witnessed them, which is inherently unreliable since it's mostly just subjective opinion.
How much happiness does a person need? Honestly, just one smile from a stranger can do it!
But how much misery does it take? A single harsh word or even just a cold look from someone you know is more than enough.
All this tells me is that you really ought to understand yourself first—only then should you even think about passing judgment on others.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Sources?

From what I understand, those settlers were Christians, and they placed such a huge emphasis on things like humility and forgiveness. So, how does it make sense that things turned out the way they did? ☕

We could just as easily be talking about aliens; it doesn't change the logic. Humility isn't exclusive to Christianity; you find it in everything from Islam to Hindus to Native Americans.
Humility is about respecting others and their differences, rather than forcing your own will upon them.

Betty Patel172 said:We could just as easily be talking about aliens; it doesn't change the logic. Humility isn't exclusive to Christianity; you find it in everything from Islam to Hindus to Native Americans.
Humility is about respecting others and their differences, rather than forcing your own will upon them.

That doesn't actually address your question. It was just being used as a talking point against Christianity and the concept of humility.
And yeah, I agree—humility exists in other faiths too.

Betty Patel172 said:We could just as easily be talking about aliens; it doesn't change the logic. Humility isn't exclusive to Christianity; you find it in everything from Islam to Hindus to Native Americans.
Humility is about respecting others and their differences, rather than forcing your own will upon them.

I think humility is actually just letting someone else push their will onto you.

Robert Reyes4 said:Does "groups" here mean people?
Because they probably haven't earned that kind of label.

Nah. It means a mental assembly.

Like, things humans possess internally.

Robert Reyes4 said:Does "groups" here mean people?
Because they probably haven't earned that kind of label.

https://literarydevices.net/figure-of-speech

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hollowpuma762 said:I honestly don't see the point in these endless, vague tug-of-war debates. Especially when dealing with topics involving Philosophy and Spirituality, where most people aren't even interested in discovering anything new or grasping deep concepts. Instead, they just want to vent their own little impressions. They can't stay focused on the actual principles or the logic we've been discussing for ages. Every single time someone offers an input that doesn't align perfectly with their worldview, or asks for a deeper dive, they pivot immediately to "Me vs. You." It just turns into a circular, ego-driven shouting match about who's more enlightened or right.

There’s an ignore button for a reason. No need to waste your precious energy on stuff that clearly doesn't resonate with you.

Anyone sitting around just waiting to be convinced by outsiders about what the truth is—without any desire to build their own intellectual toolkit or develop their own way of seeing things—they'll be waiting a long time before they actually see reality for what it is. Honestly? Those are the exact kind of people who are just begging to be manipulated.

I kind of agree, though I don't think "new" ideas should be used as an excuse to shut down those kinds of discussions. It’s also not helpful to dismiss different perspectives by saying, "well, it doesn't matter what you think or what you call it." That feels especially hollow when you're talking about something like humility, since the person pushing the idea ends up contradicting themselves just by how they act...