The Power of Humility

mistybison said:To be honest, I didn't even notice she used the word "others" in that sentence. I believe my previous posts clearly express my actual stance. 🙂

I suppose I should have only quoted the second part of her post, specifically the part I agree with. I will be more careful next time. 🙂

Ah... well, that certainly explains the source of the misunderstanding within this context, so all is forgiven...

Maria Parker77 said:Look, humility isn't about being a doormat or letting people walk all over you. It’s actually the exact opposite. It’s just your way of admitting, "Hey, I don't have all the answers," and then actually keeping an open mind so you can learn the stuff you didn't know before.

So, how exactly do you demonstrate humility toward others, and in what ways do those around you—perhaps a close friend, if you can think of one—show humility toward you? I am looking for specifics here... and if you could perhaps elaborate with some concrete examples as to why such behavior is beneficial, that would be wonderful...

feralranger said:So, how exactly do you demonstrate humility toward others, and in what ways do those around you—perhaps a close friend, if you can think of one—show humility toward you? I am looking for specifics here... and if you could perhaps elaborate with some concrete examples as to why such behavior is beneficial, that would be wonderful...

Look, the only being I feel any sense of humility toward is God. When it comes to my friends? I don't expect them to be humble, and I don't act humble with them either. To me, being "humble" would basically mean setting aside my own thoughts and feelings just to listen to what someone else is saying—acting like I already know, in advance, that what they're telling me is somehow better for me (and everyone else), even if it doesn't feel that way in the moment.

Maria Parker77 said:Look, the only being I feel any sense of humility toward is God. When it comes to my friends? I don't expect them to be humble, and I don't act humble with them either. To me, being "humble" would basically mean setting aside my own thoughts and feelings just to listen to what someone else is saying—acting like I already know, in advance, that what they're telling me is somehow better for me (and everyone else), even if it doesn't feel that way in the moment.

When you speak of God, are you referring to a personal deity, or are we discussing a more abstract belief in an impersonal higher power?

feralranger said:When you speak of God, are you referring to a personal deity, or are we discussing a more abstract belief in an impersonal higher power?

God is pure energy, man. It’s the stuff that flows through absolutely everything.

It’s the first thought you ever had, the very last thing you'll experience, and every single thing in between. Everything that exists—and everything that doesn't. There’s nothing outside of God. Honestly, even these words I'm typing right now? They're just symbols I'm using so people can actually wrap their heads around it.

It’s static, yet it's constantly shifting. It’s this divine dichotomy that makes zero sense if you try to apply human logic to it. Seriously, why even bother with our little rules of reason?

We aren't talking about "belief" here; we're talking about actual knowledge. Direct communication. We all have access to it, but let's be real—we're all way too busy with more important things to actually pay attention.

casualcanyon3 said:Good God, the sheer arrogance on display here is staggering. It’s all wrapped up in this tiresome, sanctimonious veneer of being a "neutral media outlet"—as if by constantly insisting, "I am not important here," they can somehow mask their own massive ego while masquerading as a vessel for universal truths.
Look, I’ve already laid out my position on how I interpret humility, and I stand by it. To me, this concept isn't some vague, airy-fairy sentiment; it functions quite specifically. It means that:

I am simply addressing the question posed in the opening post—offering my own particular reflections on the matter, which, given the nature of this subject, is exactly what was requested.

To be perfectly clear, I didn't frame this topic around any specific religious doctrine—be it Christian, Muslim, or otherwise—so there’s really no reason for me to harbor any preconceived notions toward a particular definition of humility.

Prejudices are almost always anchored to a specific, supposedly objective reality, but they tend to shatter the moment you gain any true insight into the underlying truth. That’s exactly right. Let’s get one thing straight about the current state of affairs. You’re down there trying to liken this entire discussion to some trivial debate over an apple, but you’re missing the fundamental logic. An apple is a physical reality; its existence is an objective fact that no amount of arguing can somehow negate. I might have my own personal biases regarding how an apple tastes, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and argue whether I'm experiencing an apple or a pear. That would be absurd. Humility is... The concept.Spiritual teachings shift and morph depending on where you land on the map or which specific culture you’re immersed in, and that’s true whether we are discussing a deeply personal realization or a structured theological doctrine. It begs the question: who exactly granted you the authority to act as the sole gatekeeper of a universal concept like humility? To suggest there is a single, objective standard is a fallacy; in reality, any individual interpretation is nothing more than a personal bias. I fail to see where you derived the notion that anyone here holds some kind of monopoly on the truth.

Quincy:

It becomes entirely logical when there isn't even a shred of humility left to allow one to actually listen and give any serious thought to the matter. It’s one of those absurd, circular realities where the predator becomes the prey, and the whole system just eats itself alive. It’s the ultimate picture of chaos—the fish biting its own tail. What is even the point of studying this subject if you don't grasp these fundamentals? Without them, you might as well be staring at a wall, completely lost and utterly clueless about what's actually going on.

You come to quote me on this subject, yet at the very first hint of my own personal interpretation, you immediately reveal just how little you care about what I’ve actually written or even what I fundamentally believe. You attempt to trivialize my words by resorting to these tired metaphors about taking things too literally—as if that somehow justifies your blatant refusal to engage with my actual point. You aren't even trying to mask your condescension; in fact, you’re hovering right on the edge of being outright insulting. It is a complete lack of respect in a conversation, yet you somehow still have the audacity to expect some level of humility from me. Not happening. I suppose you don't think you matter enough for that, do you?

To is, quite frankly, an absolute eyesore to me.

If you truly cared about anyone actually learning anything—and if you were genuinely as indifferent to your own role in this as you claim to be—you wouldn't be wasting your breath addressing people who clearly possess zero emotional intelligence and even less basic respect for the art of conversation. The brand of humility you’re preaching here, and the kind of subservient attitude you seem perfectly fine with, isn't just misguided; it is deeply insulting. To be blunt, it borders on hypocrisy. No sane, mentally healthy person should ever be expected to settle for such a pathetic display of "humility."

Quincy:

It really doesn't matter. Who? Whatever he claims, I'm certainly not sitting here acting like my own importance matters in all of this.

Don't you dare lie to me.

Quincy:

This discussion centers on a concept pulled straight from spiritual teachings regarding the fundamental state of one's character, though it requires a certain amount of context to truly grasp its underlying significance.

The discussion kicks off with a single question:

What are your actual thoughts on the concept of humility?

Who exactly gave you the authority to think you can just stroll in here and insult someone’s perspective, let alone dismiss it as if it holds no weight at all?

Quincy:

If that truth remains missing—whether it’s due to sheer ignorance or a stubborn refusal to see things clearly—then people inevitably try to bridge that gap with pure fantasy. It’s a pathetic sort of compensation. They mistake their own delusions for reality, convinced that what they perceive in their own minds is somehow synonymous with the actual state of the world, when in truth, their subjective whims couldn't be further from the cold, hard facts.

What I experience is my own reality, and this path I’m walking is mine alone. Only an arrogant blind fool would dare look at someone else's life journey—without having the slightest clue what it actually entails, nor possessing any genuine interest in the truth of it—and have the audacity to dismiss it all as mere fantasy.

Quincy:

If someone actually sets out to grasp the true essence of something—to understand it exactly as it was intended and to find some genuine, practical purpose within it—they will inevitably pour every ounce of their energy into uncovering its real meaning. To whom it may concern, clinging stubbornly to one's own delusions is nothing more than a tedious exercise in futility, especially when there are far more productive avenues available to grasp in a situation like this. It is quite frankly elementary.

Where on earth do you get the idea that I automatically fail to grasp a concept simply because I refuse to agree with it? Honestly, it’s a tired assumption. I have spent considerable time reading the writings of various clergy members regarding the virtue of humility, and quite frankly, I find much of it to be an absolute affront to human dignity.

Quincy:

When you say "your self," you are attempting to interpret a concept born from an entirely different era, a different language, and a completely distinct state of consciousness. You are trying to force it into a modern dialect that feels familiar to you, essentially decoding it based on how the terms sound in our current tongue. In doing so, you are filtering everything through our present sociological landscape—interpreting it through those immediate, reflexive associations shaped by a society conditioned to be deeply suspicious of anything resembling modern "religion" or the inevitable abuse of authority.

And why is it so vital to you that I interpret this—within the very structure and phonetics of the terminology itself—exactly according to your own rigid specifications? For what possible reason? Why does it matter so much to you that I label a specific concept in one particular way, especially when we are operating within a temporal and linguistic context that suggests such a definition doesn't even align with how I actually perceive it, let alone how I strive to live my life? I am genuinely curious to know.

Quincy:

He’s completely misinterpreting him, plain and simple.

Your contributions to this thread serve as nothing less than a definitive testament to my own interpretation—and believe me, I am reading it perfectly.

Quincy:

... The subject at hand—apples. It’s a deceptively simple topic, isn't it? Most people will glance at a fruit bowl and see nothing more than a snack, but if you look closer, there is an entire history of cultivation and commerce woven into every bite. Whether we are discussing the commercial giants like Apple Inc. dominating our digital lives or the humble orchards dotting the landscape of Washington state, the apple remains a symbol of both simplicity and immense complexity. I find myself wondering how many of us actually stop to consider the sheer scale of the industry behind such a common staple. To me, the very concept of an apple conjures the image of something left to rot beneath the tree. It’s a messy, unvarnished reality, but that’s exactly what I mean by it. It signifies that I possess a self—a core identity that isn't polished or performative, but something grounded and undeniably real. Let’s be honest: apples just aren't all they're cracked up to be.

At the very least, try to make an actual effort to distinguish between what I am actually saying and whatever distorted version of my words you’ve conjured up in your own head. You possess such a staggering level of arrogance in the way you communicate that the true art form here is simply managing to maintain even a shred of patience with you.

It just drains all your energy and focus right when you need it most for hitting the weights.

Seriously, this is such a perfect example for this thread.

Maria Parker77 said:Look, the only being I feel any sense of humility toward is God. When it comes to my friends? I don't expect them to be humble, and I don't act humble with them either. To me, being "humble" would basically mean setting aside my own thoughts and feelings just to listen to what someone else is saying—acting like I already know, in advance, that what they're telling me is somehow better for me (and everyone else), even if it doesn't feel that way in the moment.

To me, being humble with the people around you—whether that's your buddies, your family, or even your coworkers at the office—really just means having the integrity to admit when you've messed up or simply saying, "I don't know," instead of acting like a know-it-all.

Matthew Castillo5 said:To me, being humble with the people around you—whether that's your buddies, your family, or even your coworkers at the office—really just means having the integrity to admit when you've messed up or simply saying, "I don't know," instead of acting like a know-it-all.

I don't really see that as being humble; I just see it as being a decent human being. To me, true humility is watching someone act arrogant and refuse to take responsibility, yet staying silent because you don't want to cause a scene, and then trying to justify that silence by calling it "modesty," "tolerance," or "wisdom."

My relationship with God feels pretty similar to that—you look at how messy the world is, but you don't dare stand up to the boss because you don't want to get stuck in that one department nobody wants, so you start telling yourself fairy tales about how the problem is actually your own fault and you just need to adapt to make things work. Honestly, it was much easier for me to just say "I'm not a believer" than to get lost in those kinds of mental gymnastics.

Being terrified of Hell or God... that isn't humility.

Honestly, you should be pushing back against God (in a decent way, obviously) and demanding answers, explanations, and actual logic. Just being blindly obedient? Please. That’s what we have believers and organized religion for.

Maria Parker77 said:Being terrified of Hell or God... that isn't humility.

Honestly, you should be pushing back against God (in a decent way, obviously) and demanding answers, explanations, and actual logic. Just being blindly obedient? Please. That’s what we have believers and organized religion for.

So, what does true humility look like then? Is it just being willing to listen to the answers and explanations when they come?

I’ve been spending some time reading through various threads regarding the concept of humility from a religious perspective. Some people argue that a truly humble individual should be willing to endure humiliation without complaint. Their logic is that since you already know exactly who you are deep down, nothing from the outside world—not even blatant disrespect—should have the power to shake your internal composure.

Then you have others, like a certain priest I read, who claim that humility is essentially just the realization that every good thing within us stems from God, while every single flaw is entirely our own fault.

Just think about that for a second. According to this, none of your virtues, none of your strength, and none of your drive to be a better person than some higher power is actually a credit to your own character; it’s all just a gift. Meanwhile, every mistake and every dark impulse? That’s all on you.

It is a profoundly perverse way to strip a human being of their dignity, regardless of which version of this ideology you subscribe to.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I don't really see that as being humble; I just see it as being a decent human being. To me, true humility is watching someone act arrogant and refuse to take responsibility, yet staying silent because you don't want to cause a scene, and then trying to justify that silence by calling it "modesty," "tolerance," or "wisdom."

My relationship with God feels pretty similar to that—you look at how messy the world is, but you don't dare stand up to the boss because you don't want to get stuck in that one department nobody wants, so you start telling yourself fairy tales about how the problem is actually your own fault and you just need to adapt to make things work. Honestly, it was much easier for me to just say "I'm not a believer" than to get lost in those kinds of mental gymnastics.

If you're sitting there thinking the "world isn't quite organized the way it should be," honestly? You’re missing the forest for the trees. You clearly don't have a handle on how things actually work. It’s just a basic misunderstanding of the physical realm and how much of it is being shoved around by the human environment we've built.

It’s such a tiny, insignificant little slice of the world. Just a speck.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I don't really see that as being humble; I just see it as being a decent human being. To me, true humility is watching someone act arrogant and refuse to take responsibility, yet staying silent because you don't want to cause a scene, and then trying to justify that silence by calling it "modesty," "tolerance," or "wisdom."

My relationship with God feels pretty similar to that—you look at how messy the world is, but you don't dare stand up to the boss because you don't want to get stuck in that one department nobody wants, so you start telling yourself fairy tales about how the problem is actually your own fault and you just need to adapt to make things work. Honestly, it was much easier for me to just say "I'm not a believer" than to get lost in those kinds of mental gymnastics.

Look, since that whole corner of the world that’s supposedly "unregulated" was built entirely by human hands and human mistakes, common sense tells you one thing: pointing the finger at some faceless "boss" just doesn't hold water. It's nonsense.

When things get easy, there’s this massive, almost unconscious slide toward making everything incredibly shallow. It’s like people just lose interest in anything with actual substance. You end up with this endless cycle where you aren't even choosing between quality options anymore—you're just picking between different flavors of mediocrity. It’s the path of least resistance, sure, but let’s be honest: that road doesn't actually lead anywhere worth going.

casualcanyon3 said:I’ve been spending some time reading through various threads regarding the concept of humility from a religious perspective. Some people argue that a truly humble individual should be willing to endure humiliation without complaint. Their logic is that since you already know exactly who you are deep down, nothing from the outside world—not even blatant disrespect—should have the power to shake your internal composure.

Then you have others, like a certain priest I read, who claim that humility is essentially just the realization that every good thing within us stems from God, while every single flaw is entirely our own fault.

Just think about that for a second. According to this, none of your virtues, none of your strength, and none of your drive to be a better person than some higher power is actually a credit to your own character; it’s all just a gift. Meanwhile, every mistake and every dark impulse? That’s all on you.

It is a profoundly perverse way to strip a human being of their dignity, regardless of which version of this ideology you subscribe to.

The second one feels much worse to me than the first, if you can even rank how awful they are. 👎

Generally speaking, I have a huge problem with concepts that pin "all evil" onto a single person or group. That's why I'm skeptical of ideas that attribute "all good" to something else either—especially when that "something else" is some abstract, untouchable entity. To me, evil usually stems from exactly that kind of separation—splitting a whole into two parts where one half is black and the other is white. But honestly, I wouldn't even go that far, because I've encountered evil enough times to know it doesn't work like that. Evil is pathetic and banal, yet it somehow convinces itself it's righteous. While people who have lost their way could certainly use some humility (maybe even a little public humbling), preaching that kind of stuff to people who are fundamentally decent and trying their best is, in my opinion, the absolute bottom of the barrel.

As for the first example, it sounds more like a practical guide for developing thick skin and petty spite. It feels Machiavellian—you're willing to endure any amount of humiliation just to get what you want. Whether you're aiming for a ticket to heaven or just trying to climb the ladder in a corporate office in Chicago, it all seems pretty much the same.

casualcanyon3 said:I’ve been spending some time reading through various threads regarding the concept of humility from a religious perspective. Some people argue that a truly humble individual should be willing to endure humiliation without complaint. Their logic is that since you already know exactly who you are deep down, nothing from the outside world—not even blatant disrespect—should have the power to shake your internal composure.

Then you have others, like a certain priest I read, who claim that humility is essentially just the realization that every good thing within us stems from God, while every single flaw is entirely our own fault.

Just think about that for a second. According to this, none of your virtues, none of your strength, and none of your drive to be a better person than some higher power is actually a credit to your own character; it’s all just a gift. Meanwhile, every mistake and every dark impulse? That’s all on you.

It is a profoundly perverse way to strip a human being of their dignity, regardless of which version of this ideology you subscribe to.

It's just pure nonsense. It’s what happens when a mind gets lazy and takes everything literally, letting bias cloud every thought until someone starts swinging at windmills they built themselves out of sheer stupidity.

When they say "credit to your character and the desire to be better," they mean things coming "from above."

The idea is that when you build up that character—that part of you that does good—you're basically just aligning yourself with "the Almighty" based on an impulse sent down from Him.

But when people act like idiots and systematically smash their heads against a wall, that’s on the person carrying the head. No amount of tantrums or finger-pointing is going to change the fact that they're doing it to themselves.
Real change only comes from working on yourself from the inside out.

hollowpuma762 said:It's just pure nonsense. It’s what happens when a mind gets lazy and takes everything literally, letting bias cloud every thought until someone starts swinging at windmills they built themselves out of sheer stupidity.

When they say "credit to your character and the desire to be better," they mean things coming "from above."

The idea is that when you build up that character—that part of you that does good—you're basically just aligning yourself with "the Almighty" based on an impulse sent down from Him.

But when people act like idiots and systematically smash their heads against a wall, that’s on the person carrying the head. No amount of tantrums or finger-pointing is going to change the fact that they're doing it to themselves.
Real change only comes from working on yourself from the inside out.

Honestly, what you’re doing across all these threads just looks like a series of temper tantrums. Every time someone disagrees with one of your imaginary friends, you feel the need to label them as ignorant, shallow, or just plain small-minded—all because they don't buy into your little fantasy world. If you want to talk about being low-class, that’s where you should look. ☕

Work on your character a little.

Joseph Bailey41 said:The second one feels much worse to me than the first, if you can even rank how awful they are. 👎

Generally speaking, I have a huge problem with concepts that pin "all evil" onto a single person or group. That's why I'm skeptical of ideas that attribute "all good" to something else either—especially when that "something else" is some abstract, untouchable entity. To me, evil usually stems from exactly that kind of separation—splitting a whole into two parts where one half is black and the other is white. But honestly, I wouldn't even go that far, because I've encountered evil enough times to know it doesn't work like that. Evil is pathetic and banal, yet it somehow convinces itself it's righteous. While people who have lost their way could certainly use some humility (maybe even a little public humbling), preaching that kind of stuff to people who are fundamentally decent and trying their best is, in my opinion, the absolute bottom of the barrel.

As for the first example, it sounds more like a practical guide for developing thick skin and petty spite. It feels Machiavellian—you're willing to endure any amount of humiliation just to get what you want. Whether you're aiming for a ticket to heaven or just trying to climb the ladder in a corporate office in Chicago, it all seems pretty much the same.

I can wrap my head around other things, I suppose. I can even grasp the notion of being genuinely struck by the goodness within another person—to the point where one mistakenly believes that such virtue originates from some higher power manifesting through them, rather than being an inherent part of their own character.

First, we have this perverse flagellation of the ego—this ritualistic internal slaughter performed solely to achieve some semblance of spiritual equilibrium. I’ve been dwelling on this lately, and frankly, I believe it strikes at the very heart of our cultural malaise: this massive, bloated American ego. It is an oversized, suffocating thing that constantly demands compensation through self-abasement just to find its footing again.

Generally speaking, I harbor a profound resistance toward any concept that attempts to pin "all things evil" onto a specific individual or group X. This inherent skepticism extends just as much to those who attribute "all things good" to some other entity—particularly when that entity is something abstract, untouchable, and entirely non-reactive. I used to argue that evil arises precisely from this kind of fragmentation, where the whole is split into two distinct halves—as if one side must be black and the other white. However, even I wouldn't go so far as to notarize that theory, given that I have had my fair share of run-ins with true malice. Evil is, quite frankly, pathetic and banal, yet it possesses the sheer audacity to imagine itself righteous. Those who have lost their way by following that path could certainly benefit from a heavy dose of humility—perhaps even a necessary amount of public humiliation. There is absolutely no sense in preaching such nonsense to people who are, at their core, decent individuals simply doing their best to navigate this mess; frankly, it’s nothing more than an attempt to drag the bottom of the barrel up to the surface.

I would venture to say we are looking at nothing more than a classic case of someone projecting their own massive ego onto everyone else. It happens with exhausting regularity.

To me, this first example feels less like a guide and more like a practical handbook on how to develop thick skin while nurturing a petty, vengeful spirit. It’s a certain kind of Machiavellian humility—being willing to endure any level of indignity or public humiliation if it means ultimately securing exactly what you want. Whether we're talking about earning your way into heaven or simply sucking up to the higher-ups in a federal agency, the end goal remains the same, and frankly, it's all quite indistinguishable in the grand scheme of things.

I’ve always interpreted it as a sort of rigid dogma—a brand of spiritual perfectionism that stands in total, diametric opposition to the path I personally strive to follow.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Honestly, what you’re doing across all these threads just looks like a series of temper tantrums. Every time someone disagrees with one of your imaginary friends, you feel the need to label them as ignorant, shallow, or just plain small-minded—all because they don't buy into your little fantasy world. If you want to talk about being low-class, that’s where you should look. ☕

Work on your character a little.

They honestly think they own the truth. And they talk down to everyone like they're doing us a favor.

casualcanyon3 said:I can wrap my head around other things, I suppose. I can even grasp the notion of being genuinely struck by the goodness within another person—to the point where one mistakenly believes that such virtue originates from some higher power manifesting through them, rather than being an inherent part of their own character.

First, we have this perverse flagellation of the ego—this ritualistic internal slaughter performed solely to achieve some semblance of spiritual equilibrium. I’ve been dwelling on this lately, and frankly, I believe it strikes at the very heart of our cultural malaise: this massive, bloated American ego. It is an oversized, suffocating thing that constantly demands compensation through self-abasement just to find its footing again.

Generally speaking, I harbor a profound resistance toward any concept that attempts to pin "all things evil" onto a specific individual or group X. This inherent skepticism extends just as much to those who attribute "all things good" to some other entity—particularly when that entity is something abstract, untouchable, and entirely non-reactive. I used to argue that evil arises precisely from this kind of fragmentation, where the whole is split into two distinct halves—as if one side must be black and the other white. However, even I wouldn't go so far as to notarize that theory, given that I have had my fair share of run-ins with true malice. Evil is, quite frankly, pathetic and banal, yet it possesses the sheer audacity to imagine itself righteous. Those who have lost their way by following that path could certainly benefit from a heavy dose of humility—perhaps even a necessary amount of public humiliation. There is absolutely no sense in preaching such nonsense to people who are, at their core, decent individuals simply doing their best to navigate this mess; frankly, it’s nothing more than an attempt to drag the bottom of the barrel up to the surface.

I would venture to say we are looking at nothing more than a classic case of someone projecting their own massive ego onto everyone else. It happens with exhausting regularity.

To me, this first example feels less like a guide and more like a practical handbook on how to develop thick skin while nurturing a petty, vengeful spirit. It’s a certain kind of Machiavellian humility—being willing to endure any level of indignity or public humiliation if it means ultimately securing exactly what you want. Whether we're talking about earning your way into heaven or simply sucking up to the higher-ups in a federal agency, the end goal remains the same, and frankly, it's all quite indistinguishable in the grand scheme of things.

I’ve always interpreted it as a sort of rigid dogma—a brand of spiritual perfectionism that stands in total, diametric opposition to the path I personally strive to follow.

I think you're right. The bigger the ego, the higher the stakes when it comes to social status and everything else. Sure, humiliating someone here or there might provide a momentary sense of balance, but most of the time, it just breeds resentment. That resentment then fuels even more inflation of the ego, creating this image of ourselves as being untouchable or invincible—like we're these unbreakable warriors who can weather any storm. I see it in myself, too; after every major setback or mess-up, I find myself dancing on the edge of a sort of secular messiah complex. And let's be honest, it isn't a healthy way to live.

Joseph Bailey41;69529603People who got stuck on that path could probably use a lesson in humility—maybe even a healthy dose of being humbled—but preaching that kind of stuff to people who are actually decent and just trying their best? That’s honestly the absolute bottom of the barrel.

It feels like a practical handbook for learning how to grow thick skin and harbor petty grudges.[B says:
That brand of humility is purely Machiavellian—you're willing to endure anything, even humiliation, just to get what you want. Whether it's about securing a ticket to heaven [/B]or just sucking up to climb the ladder in government service, it’s all the same in the end.

From a religious standpoint, that approach is a straight-up no-go for getting into heaven. I mean, if you're only being a good person just to score a reward or a spot in paradise, then you aren't actually good at your core. You basically disqualify yourself...

Joseph Bailey41 said:Honestly, what you’re doing across all these threads just looks like a series of temper tantrums. Every time someone disagrees with one of your imaginary friends, you feel the need to label them as ignorant, shallow, or just plain small-minded—all because they don't buy into your little fantasy world. If you want to talk about being low-class, that’s where you should look. ☕

Work on your character a little.

Why don't you try not being so defensive about your own delusions?

It's clear person no 2 doesn't even grasp the concept of this thread.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Honestly, what you’re doing across all these threads just looks like a series of temper tantrums. Every time someone disagrees with one of your imaginary friends, you feel the need to label them as ignorant, shallow, or just plain small-minded—all because they don't buy into your little fantasy world. If you want to talk about being low-class, that’s where you should look. ☕

Work on your character a little.

Thanks for the advice. Based on that rhetoric, I can tell you've got a real knack for judging reality.