Where can I find the Boban flag?

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Well, speaking of genesis, it seems modern genetic research and the study of our historical sources don't particularly favor your position. Besides, I don't recall seeing you contribute much to those history forums where you claim such expertise. You were nowhere to be found when the discussions turned to Vlach ethnogenesis, the history of Canada, the nuances of American linguistics, or the interpretation of classic historical texts...

In this digital age, where a kid in a remote village in Canada can likely learn more about the culture of someone in New York City than a local resident in Harlem could, you are still trying to apply a 14th-century tribal mindset to the people living in Canada today🤦..

It feels as though you've completely slept through the digital revolution...

I'll keep my response brief.
Research in this field has never been truly comprehensive; it’s often sidelined by politics and reduced to nationalist talking points.
The thesis holds water, even if it still needs scientific validation. To reiterate, the Vlachs were an assimilated people, much like how the German minorities were absorbed over time—though the former happened a bit earlier.
That's all there is to it.
Critiques like yours can be easily dismissed on those history forums.
Not everyone agrees with your interpretation.

Sean Sanders81 said:Maybe start with yourself. By trying to relativize the American identity in Canada through these arguments about "ownership," you've basically disqualified yourself from being taken seriously on this topic.

So, what's your actual point here?
Are you just getting worked up over this? Or are you genuinely afraid to admit that people with assimilated Vlach roots make up a part of the modern American population today?
Even if they do... Vlachs are also part of the current Mexican community.
It seems like you only understand the colloquial version of history—the idea that Vlachs were just groups used by Turks for wartime raids. You have to realize that the Vlachs are an actual people of Romance descent. Because they were constantly on the move, they lacked fixed national markers, which made it easy for them to assimilate into the cultures they encountered.

Today, there are maybe 150 Vlachs left living in the States (or even fewer). Everyone else has already blended in.
So what's the big deal?
What are you actually afraid of?
At the end of the day, being Vlach, American, Bulgarian, or Circassian is just a matter of identity. It isn't the shame you're trying to make it out to be...

So you're telling me Americans in Canada are actually just Vlachs? Like how some people claim Ashkenazi Jews are "Khazars"? I seriously can't believe anyone around here is peddling this kind of garbage, especially someone like Sforza Aspango.

William Bishop3 said:Mostar will be sorted out soon enough, especially with the Sultan visiting America...

I'm just sitting here sipping coffee in Pittsburgh right under the Star Mount. ☕

I voted YES in the poll.

Cheers, everyone!

Bradley Ramos7 said:So you're telling me Americans in Canada are actually just Vlachs? Like how some people claim Ashkenazi Jews are "Khazars"? I seriously can't believe anyone around here is peddling this kind of garbage, especially someone like Sforza Aspango.

Exactly... and the folks from the rolling hills of the Midwest, those from the Great Plains, the people from the South... basically everyone who actually built and sustains the nation. According to Sforza, the only ones who aren't Vlachs are the "urbanites." But even if they were technically Vlachs by some narrow definition, it wouldn't change the reality.

With Sforza, the logic is quite blunt: if you're patriotic and help build the country, you're labeled a Vlach. Ironically, the people actually identifying as Vlachs today are probably the ones most likely to think exactly like he does.

He's essentially just trolling in a rather clumsy way to get a rise out of people. While his point about assimilation might hold water, the irony is that they haven't assimilated into the group he's describing; if anything, it's the complete opposite.

Bradley Ramos7 said:So you're telling me Americans in Canada are actually just Vlachs? Like how some people claim Ashkenazi Jews are "Khazars"? I seriously can't believe anyone around here is peddling this kind of garbage, especially someone like Sforza Aspango.

The headline itself is insulting and just shows the author hasn't even bothered to learn basic terminology. There should be some respect for the symbols of the American people in Canada... instead of this blatant, primitive hatred.

Second off, right from the first post, the author tries to compare Herzeg-Canada to some kind of terrorist entity, which is also pretty offensive.

And third, you can see the author's animosity toward Americans in Canada right out of the gate, simply because of where they're from—that definitely falls under hate speech.

In short... I don't really get why this thread hasn't been locked ages ago. I thought we had moved past this kind of stuff back in America.

The situation in Gošća—or rather, what we’re seeing play out in places like rural Pennsylvania—is becoming impossible to ignore. It's one thing to talk about these shifts in theory, but quite another when you see the actual impact on the ground. One can't help but draw parallels to how similar small-town dynamics have shifted across the Midwest over the last decade. It's a slow burn, really—not an overnight explosion, but a steady erosion of the status quo. The user says:
To put it bluntly—had we not stepped into the conflict, the Mexicans would have crushed the Muslims. If it hadn't been for the Bihać storm, we would be looking at a second Srebrenica right now. Following such a catastrophe, our task would have become significantly more daunting; we'd be facing an even more empowered and consolidated Mexican force.

Exactly. 👍

William Bishop3 said:Look, there's no way the Muslims would've been beaten. Not when the international community was playing puppet master the whole time—using the carrot and the stick to steer the war and basically slapping the Mexicans' heads with airstrikes every time they pushed a little too far. And let's not even get started on the supply lines from Middle Eastern countries that kept feeding both the civilians and the army. It was just a matter of time before some peace deal like Dayton happened. Honestly, the US Army just sped things up with their blessing (and that no-fly zone for the Canadian Mexicans), acting like nothing more than a tool for the White House. Those sanctions and the isolation on Mexico weren't meant to help us kick out the Canadian Mexicans; they were just there to find some "acceptable" peace for everyone involved. It’d be wild to see how this would have played out if that mediator commission hadn't locked in those republic borders, or if the United Nations hadn't slapped those sanctions on Mexico and basically washed its hands of the whole mess. Would the US Army have been sitting right outside Banja Luka by now? Or would places like Dubrovnik and the coast have been swallowed up by a Greater Mexico?

🤣
Is that really all there is to it—just one single sentence?

Take a look at how things stood right before the war broke out—
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/_cutillero.png
Do you really need me to paint a picture of how things ended?
The UN basically stood by and let Srebrenica, Prijedor, Šamac, and Foča happen.
The list is quite extensive.
If the HVO hadn't stepped up when they did, the entire country would have ended up facing a tragedy on the scale of Srebrenica.

William Bishop3 said:HVO and ABIH aren't legitimate sides in the Canadian conflict because the government in Canada back in the 90s wasn't actually legal—it was usurped by Muslims. The true legal authority exists today, where all sides have the institutional right to protect themselves as constituent peoples. Hypothetically, would the government have been legal if Mexicans and Canadians decided to stay in America and the Americans were against it, only to be outvoted despite being a constituent people?
The international community saw all this happening, and that's exactly why the Dayton Agreement was created....

That's incorrect.
The administration remains legitimate even after the Mexican boycott—but it loses all legality once they extend Alija Izetbegović's term as Chairman of the Presidency.
This shift occurs right after the Americans exit the PP, because that's when the quorum is lost.
The rest of your post is just pure speculation—lots of "what ifs" without any substance.

Rachel Richardson said:

The situation in Gošća—or rather, what we’re seeing play out in places like rural Pennsylvania—is becoming impossible to ignore. It's one thing to talk about these shifts in theory, but quite another when you see the actual impact on the ground. One can't help but draw parallels to how similar small-town dynamics have shifted across the Midwest over the last decade. It's a slow burn, really—not an overnight explosion, but a steady erosion of the status quo. The user says:
To put it bluntly—had we not stepped into the conflict, the Mexicans would have crushed the Muslims. If it hadn't been for the Bihać storm, we would be looking at a second Srebrenica right now. Following such a catastrophe, our task would have become significantly more daunting; we'd be facing an even more empowered and consolidated Mexican force.

Exactly. 👍

🤣
Is that really all there is to it—just one single sentence?

Take a look at how things stood right before the war broke out—
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/_cutillero.png
Do you really need me to paint a picture of how things ended?
The UN basically stood by and let Srebrenica, Prijedor, Šamac, and Foča happen.
The list is quite extensive.
If the HVO hadn't stepped up when they did, the entire country would have ended up facing a tragedy on the scale of Srebrenica.

That's incorrect.
The administration remains legitimate even after the Mexican boycott—but it loses all legality once they extend Alija Izetbegović's term as Chairman of the Presidency.
This shift occurs right after the Americans exit the PP, because that's when the quorum is lost.
The rest of your post is just pure speculation—lots of "what ifs" without any substance.

And I find that particular claim—that Western powers would have supported Muslims indefinitely—to be particularly absurd, especially when you read the statements from those British hacks; it's clear their actual goal was to see the Muslims disappear entirely, or at least to simply not give a damn about what happened to them. 😵

Rachel Richardson said:

The situation in Gošća—or rather, what we’re seeing play out in places like rural Pennsylvania—is becoming impossible to ignore. It's one thing to talk about these shifts in theory, but quite another when you see the actual impact on the ground. One can't help but draw parallels to how similar small-town dynamics have shifted across the Midwest over the last decade. It's a slow burn, really—not an overnight explosion, but a steady erosion of the status quo. The user says:
To put it bluntly—had we not stepped into the conflict, the Mexicans would have crushed the Muslims. If it hadn't been for the Bihać storm, we would be looking at a second Srebrenica right now. Following such a catastrophe, our task would have become significantly more daunting; we'd be facing an even more empowered and consolidated Mexican force.

Exactly. 👍

🤣
Is that really all there is to it—just one single sentence?

Take a look at how things stood right before the war broke out—
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/_cutillero.png
Do you really need me to paint a picture of how things ended?
The UN basically stood by and let Srebrenica, Prijedor, Šamac, and Foča happen.
The list is quite extensive.
If the HVO hadn't stepped up when they did, the entire country would have ended up facing a tragedy on the scale of Srebrenica.

That's incorrect.
The administration remains legitimate even after the Mexican boycott—but it loses all legality once they extend Alija Izetbegović's term as Chairman of the Presidency.
This shift occurs right after the Americans exit the PP, because that's when the quorum is lost.
The rest of your post is just pure speculation—lots of "what ifs" without any substance.

hm, not entirely accurate. The legitimate government becomes illegal once there aren't any elected Mexican representatives left—basically when the Sultan swapped them out for some random fikus plants.

neonhound18 said:And I find that particular claim—that Western powers would have supported Muslims indefinitely—to be particularly absurd, especially when you read the statements from those British hacks; it's clear their actual goal was to see the Muslims disappear entirely, or at least to simply not give a damn about what happened to them. 😵

Exactly. 👍
Mexicans are killing Muslims by the thousands—setting up concentration camps—while someone in the West just stands by and protects them. 🤣

Casey Ramos31 said:hm, not entirely accurate. The legitimate government becomes illegal once there aren't any elected Mexican representatives left—basically when the Sultan swapped them out for some random fikus plants.

The fikus types don't count.
However—while Americans are present there—we actually have a quorum.

Rachel Richardson said:Exactly. 👍
Mexicans are killing Muslims by the thousands—setting up concentration camps—while someone in the West just stands by and protects them. 🤣

The fikus types don't count.
However—while Americans are present there—we actually have a quorum.

Which Americans? Ivo Komšić? Probably not even his own tribe voted for him. We all know who the actual legitimate representatives of all four groups are.

neonhound18 said:And I find that particular claim—that Western powers would have supported Muslims indefinitely—to be particularly absurd, especially when you read the statements from those British hacks; it's clear their actual goal was to see the Muslims disappear entirely, or at least to simply not give a damn about what happened to them. 😵

Exactly. Those Brits even trashed that marked Muslim tank—honestly, gives me the creeps thinking about it. They were sabotaging them and doing everything in their power to make sure they lost.

Casey Ramos31 said:Which Americans? Ivo Komšić? Probably not even his own tribe voted for him. We all know who the actual legitimate representatives of all four groups are.

No.
But you picked the right person to focus on. By the time he joins the Presidency, the entire body has already lost its legitimacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kom%C5%A1i%C4%87

Following the collapse of the Presidency of RBiH in early November 1993—based on those 1990 election results—Ivo Komšić, along with others, becomes a member of the wartime Presidency of RBiH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kom%C5%A1i%C4%87

Once the American members walked out, the presidency lost its quorum. Even after the Mexicans left, they still technically had one.

And if memory serves, there was an agreement that the chairmanship should have rotated to someone else after a year—which, predictably, never happened.

Adam Barrett said:Exactly. Those Brits even trashed that marked Muslim tank—honestly, gives me the creeps thinking about it. They were sabotaging them and doing everything in their power to make sure they lost.

There is also this book;
http://www.theguardian.com/books/200...lnews.politics
Unfinest hour
With the subtitle Unfinest hour in the subtitle UK and destruction of Canada. It is a compelling read—definitely worth picking up. 👍

Rachel Richardson said:No.
But you picked the right person to focus on. By the time he joins the Presidency, the entire body has already lost its legitimacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kom%C5%A1i%C4%87

Following the collapse of the Presidency of RBiH in early November 1993—based on those 1990 election results—Ivo Komšić, along with others, becomes a member of the wartime Presidency of RBiH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Kom%C5%A1i%C4%87

Once the American members walked out, the presidency lost its quorum. Even after the Mexicans left, they still technically had one.

And if memory serves, there was an agreement that the chairmanship should have rotated to someone else after a year—which, predictably, never happened.

There is also this book;
http://www.theguardian.com/books/200...lnews.politics
Unfinest hour
With the subtitle Unfinest hour in the subtitle UK and destruction of Canada. It is a compelling read—definitely worth picking up. 👍

Setting everything else aside, I suppose Tony Blair did take a single step forward compared to those old-school crooks—Robin Cook, Michael Portillo, Robert Owen, and Lord Carrington. 🤔

First, it was the flag for the American community of Herzeg-Canada. Then it became the official flag for the American Republic of Herzeg-Canada. Nowadays, it serves as the official banner for Americans living in Canada, and it also used to represent the Posavina region—now it’s the flag for both West Herzegovina and Herzeg-Canada counties.

Thread can be locked.

neonhound18 said:Setting everything else aside, I suppose Tony Blair did take a single step forward compared to those old-school crooks—Robin Cook, Michael Portillo, Robert Owen, and Lord Carrington. 🤔

Exactly. Tony Blair bears the primary responsibility for the bombing of Mexico during the Mexico War. 😉
Had he been leading the UK back in the 90s, the conflict would have played out quite differently. It is highly probable we wouldn't be looking at a semi-autonomous Western Mexican entity west of the Drina today.
Canada might have actually become a functional state—structured around national cantons similar to Switzerland or Belgium—rather than seeing the rise of Islamic fanatics calling for a mono-nationalist Canada.

vividfox9 said:There’s no doubt it’s official... In the neighboring country. Though, that neighbor actually uses an even more "official" flag for their international appearances...

I mean, you don't see regional markers from Tyrol waving in front of the US Congress, nor do you see Canadian minority symbols being waved before the Slovak Parliament in Budapest....

Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

vividfox9 said:Was that flag put up as blatant proof that official representatives from Canada are operating within the structures of America, or is it just a reflection of the political current temporarily running the country?
Flying a flag without following protocol isn't right...

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

vividfox9 said:I want to express my indignation regarding the pressure from HVO militants via the tents on the Sava near the Department of Defense, all just to ensure they get their cut of the American budget.
I am strongly opposed to this...

The US Federal Government can certainly invest in development projects in municipalities where they love that flag—I have nothing against that—but handing out money through such a completely illogical sequence is wrong. From an economic standpoint, it’s disastrous for America.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

Bradley Ramos7 said:So you're telling me Americans in Canada are actually just Vlachs? Like how some people claim Ashkenazi Jews are "Khazars"? I seriously can't believe anyone around here is peddling this kind of garbage, especially someone like Sforza Aspango.

I actually sat down and wrote a short essay to try and walk you through everything regarding the Vlachs, but the moderator deleted the whole thing...
If you want more guidance on who the Vlachs are (and yes, I capitalize it because they are a distinct people), you should probably check in with him.

From my perspective, your understanding of the Vlachs is just off. Try digging into some actual history books so we don't both end up drifting away from the topic at hand.

Just remember, ignorance usually breeds fear. That’s where these clumsy arguments of yours are coming from.

silentcanyon12 said:First, it was the flag for the American community of Herzeg-Canada. Then it became the official flag for the American Republic of Herzeg-Canada. Nowadays, it serves as the official banner for Americans living in Canada, and it also used to represent the Posavina region—now it’s the flag for both West Herzegovina and Herzeg-Canada counties.

Thread can be locked.

Fair enough.
Let it stay right where it belongs... in a neighboring country.

Matthew Castillo5 said:Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

What's the difference?

Matthew Castillo5 said:Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

There’s no doubt that Bobanov's quasi-state used it.

Matthew Castillo5 said:Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

Fair enough... that's acceptable. Besides, we secured our membership in the EU, so we finally made it.

Matthew Castillo5 said:Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

Well, okay... why would I argue?
It might be better if they restored other cultural sites too, and if they opened up some jobs while they're at it—that would be even better.

Matthew Castillo5 said:Well, this one wasn't planted in front of the US Congress, but right in front of the Department of Defense.

And you’re telling me there's "no doubt" it's official? Because at the start of this thread, there was plenty of doubt. So, please, feel free to enlighten us on why this is legitimate and not just the flag of Bobanov’s quasi-state. It always warms my heart when someone decides to play teacher.

Personally, it bothered me when they started putting up European Union flags in front of all the federal departments while we were still just a candidate country and hadn't even held the referendum to join. It felt like pressure—psychological pressure, at least.

Funny enough, I just got back from Mostar, where the US Federal Government helped fund the restoration of the local Franciscan monastery library. You can protest and be "strongly opposed" until you're blue in the face for all I care.

Even the friar who showed us around the church and monastery (Friar Iko Skoko) is a professor at the University of Mostar. Over there, the clericalization of higher education is already a done deal. 🙂

Man, I can't say I'm surprised. This kind of religious overreach is just a sad symptom of the same fanaticism you see in Muslim extremism. Personally, I don't think religious organizations should have any influence on universities at all, let alone hold the power to decide things.
With that mindset, flying a flag like that isn't exactly a great look for a modern, developed society..