How to stay organized: Tips for order, cleanliness, and discipline

Paul Thompson3 said:If someone messed with me back when I was a kid, I wouldn't even feel the anger—I just couldn't process it. As pathetic as it sounds, I felt like I had a solid sense of self back then because I naturally drew people in; I was this little leader, almost like some kind of indigo child. No matter how much I try to look back and deconstruct it, I can't figure out what the hell happened—I just always had this nagging feeling that something was off, that I was different from everyone else. Honestly, I think my identity is weak because I see myself in too many different things instead of just locking onto one thing that feels mine and grabbing it. It’s like a perpetual identity crisis that leads me to believe I don't really have one at all. I’m not sure if an identity is supposed to be a fixed personality where you always spout the same old talking points, or if it's something else—like when people know exactly who you are. Or maybe people just act a certain way so they become recognizable to others, that whole "you know how I roll" vibe. Around other people, I often feel like my entire energy just vanishes—as if their presence completely overrides mine because mine is so thin. Maybe it’s just a lack of worth; my self-esteem is pretty much non-existent at this point.

You really have no idea how much strength you possess 😉 you aren't aware... if you could just step into a few different perspectives... if you could take a cold, objective look at your whole situation as just one single piece of a larger mosaic... I think you might actually surprise yourself 🙂

Paul Thompson3 said:Most days feel about 97% Groundhog Day—mixed with that weird vibe from a movie where you just stare at the screen, unable to process what's happening. Most of the time I'm struggling—just really, really struggling. I can be sitting at home, totally safe, and still feel like I'm on the edge of a breakdown. A few years back, it used to hit me physically—this awful, grinding tension right in my shins.

Lawrence Bailey77 - Look, sometimes I say one thing and mean another. If I had some rock-solid identity, I guess I’d always stick to the same script.

Well, damn it all... I actually started thinking recently about how much better it might be... to stop writing with these fragmented thoughts and actually try to use full sentences. But then, how would I ever encounter all these different nuances? I'd just end up limiting myself, pigeonholing myself in a sort of intellectual fascism where I wouldn't even be able to understand the person on the other side of the fence—someone who just wants to communicate with another human being without any of the nonsense. So, tell me, is there even a standard for what language you should use, let alone an accent or a dialect? You know how it goes... haters gonna hate. I suppose one should just ignore the expectations of people who are so miserable they have to tear others down just because they can't bear to look at themselves in the mirror.🙂

My friend... it is quite obvious that you don't fit into the "general" mold, and you don't find yourself within it for reasons that aren't relevant to this specific point—not that your reasons are unimportant, far from it 🧐 ... or perhaps you simply cannot conform. Well, fine... you don't have to, and you shouldn't 🙂It’s an instinct, I suppose—something inherent in every single one of us, just part of being alive. Logic and reason are fine for chasing happiness or maintaining health, but at the end of the day, you simply don't want to live a life filled with nonsense. Bravo, truly. I tip my hat to you. I could probably spiral into some long-winded, idealistic lecture on pure humanism, but honestly, that would be far too much for a site like Reddit. It's been proven 😬
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In any case, every system, no matter how well-intentioned, demands its victims. It’s almost impossible to fully articulate why, mostly because history is written by the winners. The casualties of everyday life are either glossed over or, more likely, intentionally suppressed—if not outright censored—to maintain the status quo.

Look, being a decent human being isn't actually that difficult. But under certain circumstances, choosing to do the right thing feels practically suicidal, which goes against everything in our biological programming. If you haven't already let your ego dictate your path and instead opted for a struggle worth living—or, heaven forbid, faced death—then perhaps it is finally time to take action. 😬

Go ahead, feel free to criticize me if you must. A sudden burst of inspiration just took hold of me, I guess. Times are bound to change eventually; at least, that’s what those who claim to "see" the truth say.

mistyseal11 said:Honestly, just finding a way to get through 24 hours every single day that actually feels meaningful to me.

I’ve been living my life like every day is Saturday and just tossing everything else out the window.
It’s honestly wrecked my mental state, my health, my social life, my productivity, my inspiration, my creativity...
everything's just gone downhill.

The question is super simple and there's really no need to overthink things with everyone else.

That laziness... just wrapped up in some deep sense of futility. 🤣 🤣

darkcanyon10 said:That laziness... just wrapped up in some deep sense of futility. 🤣 🤣

Don't try to pull a fast one on me now! 😍 ... I suppose those who know us well... he’d probably charge us an arm and a leg for his "services." 🙂

But, jokes aside 😍... it isn't quite as charming as people tend to make it out to be. That's why I think we need to approach this whole thing with a bit more gravity—regardless of the various latitudes and longitudes involved. Drama is one of those rare socially acceptable tools at our disposal; one should aim to utilize it rather than exploit it, if you ask me. 🧐

I can't make sense of that—looks like you might have hit send too early! What's on your mind? kaže:
If you're looking to get into racing... first off, you gotta realize it’s about way more than just stepping on the gas and hoping for the best. You can't just jump into a high-stakes circuit without having your act together first!
Look, you seriously gotta define the specific discipline you're competing in, man. It’s not just about showing up; you need to nail down exactly what field you're playing in if you want anyone to take you seriously.
Look, you've gotta figure out exactly who you're up against.
And you’ve gotta be fucking livid.

Look, if you need some other kind of spark to get moving—and I mean really dig deep to find whatever emotion actually drives you—then you better go out and hunt it down, because let’s be real: acting like you don't care is the biggest lie there is.

Man, if I actually had the inside scoop on this, everything would be a total breeze.
I don't really have some big, grand life goal I'm chasing or anything.
I could go two meters underground right this second, no joke.
If that’s really what I’m aiming for—then honestly, I guess I’m actually hitting the mark...

darkcanyon10 said:That laziness... just wrapped up in some deep sense of futility. 🤣 🤣

It’s not that I’m being lazy, okay? It’s just that I don't see the point—like, why on earth would I bother getting all dressed up just to go out and run around in circles right now?
If running was actually part of some official "regime"—I mean, if someone had actually laid out a structured plan like that—then sure, I’d be all over it. But right now? It's just whatever.
It’s the exact same deal—I can just dive into the Russian classics this way too.
Man, there's nothing like sitting down with a coffee and just getting lost in some crosswords for a while. It’s honestly such a vibe when you finally nail that one tricky word that’s been bugging you all morning.
Gaming WoW... man, just pure bliss.
I can't even begin to wrap my head around this—it's just totally wild how things work out sometimes!

Lawrence Bailey77 said:Don't try to pull a fast one on me now! 😍 ... I suppose those who know us well... he’d probably charge us an arm and a leg for his "services." 🙂

But, jokes aside 😍... it isn't quite as charming as people tend to make it out to be. That's why I think we need to approach this whole thing with a bit more gravity—regardless of the various latitudes and longitudes involved. Drama is one of those rare socially acceptable tools at our disposal; one should aim to utilize it rather than exploit it, if you ask me. 🧐

I can't actually watch videos through links, so if you want me to dive into this, you'll have to give me the rundown! Just paste the transcript or tell me what happens in the clip, and I'll get right on it. Whether it's some wild commentary or just something crazy you found, lay it out for me and I'll give you my honest take.

.....

Look, this is my story:
I can't access external YouTube links directly, but if you paste the transcript or describe what happens in the video, I’ll get right on it! Just give me the details and I'll whip up that fresh, punchy rewrite for you.

mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

The Mayor said:As you rise up and level up toward success,

man, just stay brave and stay sharp!

this sounds awesome 👏

doing the exact same thing every single day and expecting different results? nah, that's crazy. this is top tier.

quietviper93 said:mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

I grow avocados.
but look, you can't exactly spend 24 hours a day staring at a plant waiting for it to sprout...

quietviper93 said:mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

I'm totally on board with that.
I've got until January 15th to sign up for a gym membership before the deal expires
so I really need to have a solid routine dialed in by then...

quietviper93 said:mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

I lose my mind if I stay inside too long... being out and about is a whole different story.

quietviper93 said:mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

you can find basically any course you want on YouTube these days...
plus, I do a bit of math tutoring here and there...

quietviper93 said:mistyseal11, I don't get why you aren't just trying stuff one by one? Just dive into different hobbies or sports, I'm pretty sure you'll stumble onto something. Like, my cousin was stuck in this massive rut—life was just boring, hated his job, the monotony was killing him, didn't do any sports... basically, he spiraled into that exact depression and routine you're dealing with. You know what he does now (for years, actually)? He makes these little clay bonsai pots, fires them, sells them, and grows actual bonsai too. He found his thing and turned a hobby into a career.

Just take it step by step. Sports—you really should try some, mostly because it’d detox your brain and body. You’d feel better about yourself. Healthier, mentally and physically. I guarantee it. If you're not an athlete type, go hiking. Once you hit the summit, grab a handful of jelly beans at a park ranger station and that'll give you enough of a kick to make the hike back down. Plus, hikers are a weird bunch, so there's a huge chance you'll actually talk to someone, maybe find a buddy or a regular you see on the trails. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and run into some cute blonde hiker behind a tree. You never know.

At home:

reading (comics/books/magazines)
model building
collecting (cars/coins/stamps/comics...)
cooking
growing plants, maybe even bonsai

Go to lectures; for example, the Griffith Observatory will be starting its new season soon, I used to go there all the time for a few years.

Sign up for a course; maybe a foreign language!? Back in the day, I took Chinese classes at the Confucius Institute, which is free. I ended up quitting, for a few reasons, and one was that I just couldn't stop laughing. Met plenty of people there, though. Or learn programming: there are tons of free online courses, I'm actually doing HTML and CSS on MIT's site right now.

Also, pub quizzes are popping up everywhere lately, I swear you'll have a blast, learn stuff, meet a bunch of smart people, and very likely pick up some hot waitress, assuming you don't mind techies and their hairy boyfriends.

man, I was right there on the hunt with my buddy 😁
there was serious cash on the line in that game... totally choked, but hey, at least I choked with style 😬

Rising above it all... I mean, how many times have I tried to take the high road? And then what?
I pull myself out of the gutter like a damn Phoenix—only for another total shitstorm to roll right in.
Cheers to a brand new disaster!

DAILY ROUTINE

8:00 AM Wake up, hygiene, coffee, breakfast, then just rot on the computer reading whatever garbage is online.
10:00 AM Head out to pick up supplies for model building—or whatever. If you're clueless, just stick to old sailing ships; they actually sell for decent money.
12:00 PM Get back and prep lunch, or go grab something, or just mess around with food... whatever.
2:00 PM Downtime. Hop on the PC, download a movie for later, read up on stuff you actually know to get better at it, jot down important notes, listen to music, and obsess over how you're gonna build that damn ship.
5:00 PM Hit the gym and grind for two hours. Don't skip the warmup.
8:00 PM Get home, eat dinner. On the way back, call someone and set up some kind of hangout.
9:30 PM Watch that movie you downloaded if you didn't make plans, browse the forums, keep thinking about the ship.
11:30 PM Hit the head and contemplate the ship.

p.s. first thing is to dump all the booze down the toilet.

darkcanyon10 said:DAILY ROUTINE

8:00 AM Wake up, hygiene, coffee, breakfast, then just rot on the computer reading whatever garbage is online.
10:00 AM Head out to pick up supplies for model building—or whatever. If you're clueless, just stick to old sailing ships; they actually sell for decent money.
12:00 PM Get back and prep lunch, or go grab something, or just mess around with food... whatever.
2:00 PM Downtime. Hop on the PC, download a movie for later, read up on stuff you actually know to get better at it, jot down important notes, listen to music, and obsess over how you're gonna build that damn ship.
5:00 PM Hit the gym and grind for two hours. Don't skip the warmup.
8:00 PM Get home, eat dinner. On the way back, call someone and set up some kind of hangout.
9:30 PM Watch that movie you downloaded if you didn't make plans, browse the forums, keep thinking about the ship.
11:30 PM Hit the head and contemplate the ship.

p.s. first thing is to dump all the booze down the toilet.

Well, there it is. A solid breakdown of actual, productive things a person can do with their time... 👍

Frequently Asked Questions. said:Tunneling... just one of those projects that sounds simple until you're actually staring at a massive drill bit and a mountain of dirt. 😵

Sometimes I get the feeling that’s really all most people need. Especially me... 🤣

The Mayor said:Brakes are just old wounds that refuse to heal... What kind of frogs are we talking about...? They just kill creativity...

Still, those kinds of thoughts really weigh people down. Some just... They’re going to push me into isolation... And I just can't seem to find my way out of this one...

It’s probably best to give this some actual thought... Regarding that matter... What is the actual truth??

No matter how much we obsess over finding better ways to optimize our days, our weeks, our months, or even our entire lives...It’s going to be a little overshot... just because that's how the mechanism is built.

Waiting is actually a form of movement... Because it is... The whole point of something more significant... the kind of stuff that’s just too damn difficult to put into words... A few sheets of paper with some pretty faint pencil marks... mostly because I ran out of ink on my pen...

Then you really need to focus on letting those wounds heal. Isolation is just an escape... it’s nothing more than resisting the momentum needed to actually move forward.

And is it true?

Try explaining how this constant, endless waiting actually serves any purpose. Seriously, what’s the end goal here? Just sitting around without taking a single step forward... it makes zero sense.

edit: here’s a specific list of things you can actually start doing tomorrow: polish up your resume, draft a cover letter, and start scouring job boards... then, just make yourself something simple to eat.

@mistyseal11: damn right! i've been waiting for someone to ask that!

did it seriously take eight pages of scrolling for someone to finally, like, actually grasp the point of this thread?
none of that deep philosophical nonsense...

@everyone else: more!

Jeffrey Ramos4 said:Well, there it is. A solid breakdown of actual, productive things a person can do with their time... 👍

Sometimes I get the feeling that’s really all most people need. Especially me... 🤣

Then you really need to focus on letting those wounds heal. Isolation is just an escape... it’s nothing more than resisting the momentum needed to actually move forward.

And is it true?

Try explaining how this constant, endless waiting actually serves any purpose. Seriously, what’s the end goal here? Just sitting around without taking a single step forward... it makes zero sense.

edit: here’s a specific list of things you can actually start doing tomorrow: polish up your resume, draft a cover letter, and start scouring job boards... then, just make yourself something simple to eat.

"it'll get better"

- yeah, sure it will!
i finally get it now;
if I'm just grinding out the exact same routine every single day, how on earth am I expecting anything to change!?

and the real question is: "so what am I supposed to actually do during the day then!?"

because this whole thing is just an infinite loop of "just wait"...

If you guys have the patience for a bit of a deep dive, check out this solid long-form read I found on this subject (it's in English)

I might get through the whole thing later, but it mostly boils down to that old cliché about an idle mind being the devil's playground. Anything else actually worth noting in there?

It’s all about having the right tools, man, just tools, tools, tools! http://www.studygs.net/schedule/

Check out these guidelines for #1 http://www.developgoodhabits.com/ent...aily-routines/
#2 http://www.briantracy.com/blog/time-...about-routine/
#3 http://skola.amoskadan.cz/s_aj/ajhtm/at/at02.htm
#4 http://www.developgoodhabits.com/my-daily-routine/

Alright... so maybe #4 actually has some potential here...

1. I wake up at 4:00 am on Monday
2. I brush my teeth
3. I hop in the shower at 4:15 am
4. I get dressed
5. I eat breakfast
6. I brush my teeth again
7. I comb my hair
8. I catch the bus at 5:00 am
9. I make it to class by 6:30 am
10. I get back home at 4:30 pm and grab some lunch
11. I knock out my homework
12. I watch some TV.
13. I eat dinner at 7:00 pm
14. I brush my teeth
15. I hit the sack at 9:00 pm
16. WEEKENDS •
17. I wake up at 8:30 am
18. I watch TV
19. I brush my teeth •
20. I eat breakfast at 9:30
21. I do some chores around the house
22. I take a shower at 1:30 pm
23. I eat lunch at 2:00 pm
24. I head out to walk my dog at 2:30 pm
25. I study at 4:00 pm
26. I play games on my computer at 5:00 pm
27. Every now and then I head out to the movie theater
28. I eat dinner at 8:00 pm
29. I brush my teeth at 8:45 pm
30. I watch TV at 9:00 pm
31. I go to sleep at 10:30 pm

mistyseal11 said:If you guys have the patience for a bit of a deep dive, check out this solid long-form read I found on this subject (it's in English)

I've been buried in work, but I'm tackling this whole thing tomorrow once I can actually focus—it's a solid read, honestly. Lazy people should give it a shot; it clears up a lot of things.

Paul Thompson3 said:I've been buried in work, but I'm tackling this whole thing tomorrow once I can actually focus—it's a solid read, honestly. Lazy people should give it a shot; it clears up a lot of things.

Yeah... quality text. You could spend all day reading literature like this...
Well explained. Pure truth.
My late old man was exactly like that. Fits the description perfectly.

But... I'm pretty sure info isn't enough. Or even helpful.
Reading isn't enough. Knowing isn't enough. You have to live what you read.
It's jebenica when you know if it's going to rain every single day. jebenica!
But... I'm out here getting soaked because: ____________________________....... jebenica!
It’s easy to get tangled up and just take the path of least resistance. And that's a trap.
You gotta go through the pain. Real pain. Go through the stuff you'd normally run from.
Dammit. There's no other way. No easy route. Nothing's easy.
Running from problems and pain just breeds mental illness.
Most of us just try to "escape" our issues instead of actually dealing with them.

Yeah... there comes a time when you just have zero willpower. You have to push through it. Ideally sober and clean.
If you use booze or drugs as a crutch during those times... you're just piling more suffering and self-loathing on top of yourself.
There's no shortcut for anyone.

Every mistake you catch and realize was actually a mistake is just a fact in disguise—it’s basically laying the groundwork for better things to come {so lifelong learning really does make sense}

Carl Rivera43 said:Every mistake you catch and realize was actually a mistake is just a fact in disguise—it’s basically laying the groundwork for better things to come {so lifelong learning really does make sense}

Duh. Of course it makes sense.
Even more sense if you actually do something with what you read.

darkcanyon10 said:Yeah... quality text. You could spend all day reading literature like this...
Well explained. Pure truth.
My late old man was exactly like that. Fits the description perfectly.

But... I'm pretty sure info isn't enough. Or even helpful.
Reading isn't enough. Knowing isn't enough. You have to live what you read.
It's jebenica when you know if it's going to rain every single day. jebenica!
But... I'm out here getting soaked because: ____________________________....... jebenica!
It’s easy to get tangled up and just take the path of least resistance. And that's a trap.
You gotta go through the pain. Real pain. Go through the stuff you'd normally run from.
Dammit. There's no other way. No easy route. Nothing's easy.
Running from problems and pain just breeds mental illness.
Most of us just try to "escape" our issues instead of actually dealing with them.

Yeah... there comes a time when you just have zero willpower. You have to push through it. Ideally sober and clean.
If you use booze or drugs as a crutch during those times... you're just piling more suffering and self-loathing on top of yourself.
There's no shortcut for anyone.

This whole concept of ease versus struggle is... complicated. For instance, who actually gives you the strength to force yourself to suffer while remaining at peace?

I don't know if my perspective on things is fundamentally flawed, but it doesn't seem to me that in certain states or situations, a person truly has a choice. Your biology takes over—it follows its own pattern, and that's just that. Trying to stop it is quite literally a war against yourself, and it's physically grueling. The issue isn't the suffering itself—not the endurance or the ache—the real problem is that the organism is hardwired to repeat its patterns, to seek distraction, to chase immediate gratification. You can realize this a thousand times over, but where does the actual power come from to actually govern those impulses?

This is one of those things that leaves me genuinely baffled... I just don't see how it works. It remains an enigma—where does a human being find the sheer willpower to move against their own internal gravity?

I’ve been through enough pain and catharsis to tell you—you probably drink to numb the ache or because you feel empty inside. At least, that’s my take. I was never much of a drinker, but I started hitting the bottle because I lost my usual escape—my favorite way to check out. Sometimes it was just pure, unbearable boredom or having too much damn time on my hands.
I’d get drunk and wander the streets alone, living out some low-budget noir adventure.
Eventually, I didn't even bother leaving the house; I’d just grab a liter of wine and knock it back in an afternoon. It became my "new normal"—drinking a bottle almost every single day. I actually started getting into it, learning about different labels and finding favorites. There were nights I’d sit with a bottle and browse this forum—it was actually pretty great for a while. But then it hit me: I’d been doing this for ages, and I could feel the alcohol calling my name. It didn't matter what the drink was anymore—as long as it was booze. That’s how most chronic drinkers start, I'm sure. I hated that realization, so I quit. Now, sitting down with a bottle isn't fun anymore; it’s lost its charm and usually feels pointless. I don't have any alcoholics in my family, so I guess I got lucky in that regard.

So, let's cut to the chase, Miškica. I know it sounds cynical—if booze is all you have, then without it, you have nothing—and a better life doesn't just build itself.

I know a young couple who are heavy drinkers; we’ve never talked about it directly, but it’s obvious they come from some seriously messed up backgrounds.
And I won't even get into my impression of the woman—she’s completely unhinged. I doubt there’s any help for her right now, because every time I see her, she’s showing up with two liters of cheap beer or some bottom-shelf wine. I feel for her and wish I could help just by talking, but you can't really have a conversation with someone in that state.

Anyway, I just wanted to say: don't be afraid. Every bit of pain passes eventually. Suffering itself is meaningless unless we let it be a teacher to make us better people. That’s the core of our experience on Earth—we’re just tiny pieces of a puzzle that might be so beautiful it transcends our ability to even understand beauty.

darkcanyon10 said:Yeah... quality text. You could spend all day reading literature like this...
Well explained. Pure truth.
My late old man was exactly like that. Fits the description perfectly.

But... I'm pretty sure info isn't enough. Or even helpful.
Reading isn't enough. Knowing isn't enough. You have to live what you read.
It's jebenica when you know if it's going to rain every single day. jebenica!
But... I'm out here getting soaked because: ____________________________....... jebenica!
It’s easy to get tangled up and just take the path of least resistance. And that's a trap.
You gotta go through the pain. Real pain. Go through the stuff you'd normally run from.
Dammit. There's no other way. No easy route. Nothing's easy.
Running from problems and pain just breeds mental illness.
Most of us just try to "escape" our issues instead of actually dealing with them.

Yeah... there comes a time when you just have zero willpower. You have to push through it. Ideally sober and clean.
If you use booze or drugs as a crutch during those times... you're just piling more suffering and self-loathing on top of yourself.
There's no shortcut for anyone.

placidwolf27 said:This whole concept of ease versus struggle is... complicated. For instance, who actually gives you the strength to force yourself to suffer while remaining at peace?

I don't know if my perspective on things is fundamentally flawed, but it doesn't seem to me that in certain states or situations, a person truly has a choice. Your biology takes over—it follows its own pattern, and that's just that. Trying to stop it is quite literally a war against yourself, and it's physically grueling. The issue isn't the suffering itself—not the endurance or the ache—the real problem is that the organism is hardwired to repeat its patterns, to seek distraction, to chase immediate gratification. You can realize this a thousand times over, but where does the actual power come from to actually govern those impulses?

This is one of those things that leaves me genuinely baffled... I just don't see how it works. It remains an enigma—where does a human being find the sheer willpower to move against their own internal gravity?

There is no choice. Exactly. Your body just runs on autopilot, repeating what it knows.
Saying it's not about the suffering? Yeah, right. It definitely is.
How to find that strength?
Hard. Heh... heh.
Slowly.
Hour by hour. Day by day.
Through discipline. Realizing you have the power to choose, instead of blaming some natural curse or genetic flaw. You have to commit your time to what you actually want to fix. And it’s damn hard to spend time tackling the stuff that offers instant hits of dopamine, rather than just sinking into the "easy route" because you can't handle delaying satisfaction.

Pray for the strength to get through it.