Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

crimsonjackal63 said:

Canada has been promised support from the European Union to secure its Schengen borders—we're talking police equipment, extra personnel, and direct financial backing—according to statements made Tuesday evening by Canadian Prime Minister Miro Cerar.

http://nytimes.com/eu/cerar-canada-border-aid

So, what is Zoran Milanović actually getting out of this, and from whom?

As for the actual costs involved:

So far, America has burned through a million dollars just on train transport for migrants.

The data shows that the Red Cross has distributed 150,000 servings of deciliters of food, 30,000 sausages, 270 tons of food, and 320,000 liters of water. Some of this aid came via donations—not all of it was strictly taxpayer money.

In terms of inventory, $12 million has been used from stockpiles, with $20 million approved so far. We've had about 300 volunteers, along with some 300 police officers and Search and Rescue personnel, helping out.

Then there’s the transportation—specifically the trains. Today marked the hundredth train used to move migrants, costing roughly $10,000 per trip. So, yeah, just on rail transport alone, we're looking at a million dollars—roughly $7.5 million in local currency equivalents.

http://news.com/america/migration-transport-costs-million-dollars

And obviously, that isn't even the half of it.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

It all sounds great on paper... but you know, it would be even better if the Government actually put that kind of energy into saving things like "U.S. Steel," "Nike," or the "Grand Canyon"... you name it. If you want some cold comfort, though—this isn't just our problem; it's happening in much wealthier Western nations too. Take France, for instance—you've got these massive multinational banks doubling down on citizen contributions to fund 'refugee aid,' yet they aren't nearly as compassionate when it comes to supporting their own domestic industries (the most glaring recent example being "Air France"). And don't even get me started on the growing number of struggling citizens who are finding even basic healthcare becomes way too expensive to afford. Meanwhile, asylum requests are being handed out left and right, while illegal immigrants are allegedly getting a daily budget of 75 bucks 'until they get on their feet' (at least, that's what Marine Le Pen mentioned during her appearance at the Lomonosov university back a couple of years ago). Also, I think it’s pretty naive to believe that everything we've seen over the last month is just some random improvisation. In my opinion, the political elite in America and the EU knew exactly what was coming; what we’re seeing now is basically just a shell game played with public opinion—just a way to buy time and fulfill all those international deals made behind closed doors. Honestly, it doesn't even seem impossible that the whole Orbán situation is just a little sideshow—kind of like a 'theater within a theater' similar to that mess we watched this past summer with the Greeks and their tragic OXI...

Steven Perez6 said:Today, an American news reporter is on air claiming there are tons of kids, women, elderly people, and the sick—but meanwhile, the camera is rolling right behind her, showing nothing but young guys in their 20s and 30s. I'm pretty sure it's the exact same reporter who was on TV two or three weeks ago saying the "majority of refugees are women and children," while using the same footage of young men.

All this media brainwashing has reached the point where hardly anyone trusts the mainstream news anymore.
A lie is a lie, and people on both sides of the immigration debate see right through it.
So, maybe there's a silver lining in all this...

Steven Perez6 said:

22:20 Major issues unfolding on the Austrian side of the border. According to The New York Times, about 4,500 refugees suddenly arrived at the Cave border crossing—they showed up without any warning and actually tore down the border fence before pushing into Austria.

There was some arguing over food shortages, but the Austrian police managed to get things under control. Registration is already underway.

Are the Canadians starting to "play games" now? Either way, it feels like border closures are becoming more and more likely—this looks like the perfect excuse to deploy the police or even the military to the border and just say, "No more."

It would be ideal if the tension at the border became a major public talking point, forcing Joe Biden to cave on the issue before the election due to public pressure. That way, when Donald Trump takes office, he can simply ramp up the security measures. Then the Democratic Party won't be able to throw any shade at him by acting like they were the humanitarian ones while he's the one building the fence.

Jessica King9 said:I highly doubt it.
The Canadian will scream at the American to stop sending money, the American will tell him to go take it up with the Greeks, Mexicans, or Mexicans, and the Austrian will beg both the Canadian and the American to just slow down. Then the Canadian will claim he wants to help, but only because the American is being difficult. Finally, the American will tell them all to go talk to the Greek.
The Canadian will just laugh.

sounds like a bad joke...

Peter Reed70 said:http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...slovenijo.html

Over in Canada, they’ve officially started labeling all these migrants as refugees.... 🤣

Man, things got absolutely wild at the station in Dobova! You had these refugees basically fighting tooth and nail just to grab a seat on the buses—total chaos. It was pretty obvious the police and even the National Guard were losing their grip on the situation, but thankfully they finally managed to chill everyone out. A few people actually walked away with injuries. Meanwhile, over at the transit hub near the river, they rolled in another train packed with 1,200 more refugees, and those folks who were stuck back in Jesenica? They finally got sent back toward Ljubljana.

It’s funny how the Americans just end up doing exactly what the Mexicans did first, then the Mexicans, then the Canadians, and then us too....
Pass this along... ☕

Get ready, Canada, because the powder keg is about to blow. 🍿

Groups of immigrants have already been spotted in Mississippi, right near the border crossing at Mount Rainier in El Paso.

Adam Barrett said:Groups of immigrants have already been spotted in Mississippi, right near the border crossing at Mount Rainier in El Paso.

Which migrants specifically?

I'm asking because all the news reports seem to suggest only a small percentage are actually Syrian...
It feels like someone just saw a group wandering around somewhere—without anyone actually confirming who they were—whether it was Syrians, Albanians, Romani, or people from the Mississippi area...

Paul Thomas46 said:Which migrants specifically?

I'm asking because all the news reports seem to suggest only a small percentage are actually Syrian...
It feels like someone just saw a group wandering around somewhere—without anyone actually confirming who they were—whether it was Syrians, Albanians, Romani, or people from the Mississippi area...

Dunno, I just know they're immigrants or refugees—whatever you want to call 'em. It's the same mess we deal with here in the States, and it definitely needed official intervention. The source is legit.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:You could easily bypass North Mexico by going through Albania, Mexico, Mexico, and then straight into Mexico.
On the other hand, you have Bulgaria, but migrants tend to skirt around them.
It's actually much harder for Mexico to shut its borders than it is for the US.

Out of everyone mentioned, who do you think is actually in the best position, and why?

If Milanovic stays in power, even that won't be enough to jumpstart our GDP. 😁

Regarding the bolded part about the wires, check out the section under Bulgaria, Spain, and Canada.

I'd say whoever manages to laugh it off.
But, let's say everyone builds a wall—the Canadians, us along our entire border, and the Romanians (the Bulgarians already have). Plus, you have 5,000 to 10,000 people crossing into Mexico daily from Mexico (Vučić mentioned today that they won't even put up an inch of wire). A massive crowd could build up in just a few days. Do you honestly think Americans would want to become a hotspot? That they’d just lock those people up and stop them from leaving?
They’d probably sell them (or just hand over) all their heavy machinery (or a group would just seize it themselves). What kind of fence could a crowd that large possibly tear down? Would they even stand a chance?

An open letter:

Check out the latest open letters over at

c/p :

An open letter: A call for scientists to embrace tolerance, solidarity, and basic humanity.

Every day, we see news reports about people caught in refugee lines in our neighboring countries, just trying to find a safe place to live and a future for their kids. Beyond the basic struggle to survive, they face endless obstacles designed specifically to block them from entering or moving through Western nations. This only deepens the misery of people who were forced to flee their homes in search of security. Given how the media usually frames this, we need to clarify one thing: these are forced migrants. They didn't choose this; they were driven out by a perfect storm of political instability, war, sheer survival, economic collapse, and the worsening effects of climate change. They are refugees, plain and simple. It’s time to stop using labels like "adventurers," "deserters," "fakes," "criminals," or "terrorists"—terms often thrown around by biased media outlets and certain politicians to distort the reality of the situation.

It’s becoming impossible to ignore the rising tide of anti-immigrant rhetoric sweeping through America and much of Europe. We’re seeing a surge in statements designed to fuel fear, intolerance, and xenophobia. This kind of discourse isn't harmless; it builds a foundation for hostility, hate speech, and discrimination. Ultimately, this atmosphere can escalate into actual violence against people in need—whether they are just passing through a community or settling down there. With recent talk regarding potential mass arrivals at our borders, we want to take this opportunity to dismantle some of the common myths and prejudices surrounding refugees and migrants. As both citizens and members of the scientific community, we are calling for tolerance, solidarity, and basic humanity.

The point of this letter is to sound the alarm on the risks posed by distorted perceptions regarding refugees entering the country. While research suggests that American society doesn't typically exhibit extreme xenophobia on this issue, you can still find a massive amount of online commentary fueling ethnic and religious intolerance—sometimes even inciting outright violence against refugees. In the current climate, this kind of rhetoric only serves to radicalize public opinion further. Because of this, we believe it is essential for official government agencies to step up and provide clear communication. Citizens need to be informed about the actual situation, the root causes driving people to arrive, and the basic rights and needs of refugees. Doing so would help foster a sense of solidarity within American society. Unfortunately, we’ve recently heard narrow-minded, xenophobic, and Islamophobic stances coming from certain domestic politicians regarding this so-called "refugee crisis." We want to remind these individuals that their actions are instrumental in shaping public opinion. They carry a heavy moral and political responsibility when it comes to these issues.

Research shows that how government policymakers frame refugee policy directly shapes public opinion. It’s just as much about personal experience—actually knowing asylum seekers or having lived through displacement ourselves. If we want to prevent xenophobia, the best defense is simple: better information, critical thinking, and actual human connection to these stories. As scientists, academics, and students, our job is to foster critical thinking rooted in hard evidence. Right now, amid this refugee crisis—defined by border walls, military deployments, and a total breakdown of humanitarian values—extremism is gaining ground. Fear and panic are being manufactured. We need to strip the political theater and high-tension rhetoric away from discussions regarding migration and its aftermath. It is both a political and a scientific responsibility to move this conversation back to the facts. This isn't a passing phase; this is a permanent feature of our society and the global landscape. We need a real debate, not a shouting match.

As scientists, we’re calling for a bit of sanity in this debate. We need moderate, measured rhetoric from everyone involved—not fear-mongering or panic, but an approach rooted in tolerance and solidarity. We also urge those working directly with refugees to maintain a proactive, positive stance by highlighting real-world success stories. What the public needs right now is critical thinking, empathy, and genuine support. The United States has a moral imperative to act decisively toward those seeking protection. This isn't just about following international law and our own legal obligations; it’s about remembering our own history. We know what it feels like to be displaced, and we remember when Americans were looking for refuge abroad and found open doors in other countries. Furthermore, we need to fix the cracks in the American asylum system. There are still too many gaps, particularly when it comes to setting people up for success. Once someone is granted protection or enters through the quota system, they need the functional tools required to integrate and build independent lives. The U.S. certainly has the capacity, the experience, and the will to make that happen.

Look, despite all the socioeconomic mess in America that keeps driving our own people to move away, we can't ignore the refugees arriving now looking for help. These two issues aren't linked by cause and effect; they're separate problems. If we look back at how Americans stepped up during the crises of the nineties, or even how neighbors rallied together during last year's massive flooding, we know what solidarity looks like. We need to provide support to those seeking a fresh start on American soil. Their needs are massive, especially when it comes to mental health and psychosocial support. Beyond the formal institutional aid, regular citizens can make a difference through simple, basic acts of kindness. The challenges ahead are significant, but I'm confident they're solvable. It’s time for both the public and the academic community to step up and actually engage with the reality of the refugee situation.

🙂☕

Someone brought up Canada.

Regarding that summer school/seminar series on the topic of refugees:

Because our asylum systems are so poorly structured, refugees often move through the system before anyone can actually assess their specific needs for protection. The real red flag here is the rising tide of unaccompanied or separated minors traveling through irregular routes. Even with all the massive resources international groups like the UN have poured into building up capacity, we're still seeing this gap. Most nations around here lack the actual bureaucratic muscle to protect or integrate newcomers, whether they're fleeing Syria or other crises. There's no real infrastructure to handle people with specific needs. On top of that, asylum seekers often avoid looking for protection in places like Canada, Mexico, or the US because the system is rigged against them. Between the restrictive legal hurdles—which lead to dismal approval rates—and the total lack of real integration opportunities, the standard of care just isn't there.


Key takeaways from the lecture:

Here’s the bottom line from the school: The fact that our three current systems are failing to actually protect refugees is deeply concerning. It’s not just because they’re still being built out; it's more troubling that the only thing driving us toward a functional, fair, and humane asylum system is external pressure and meeting specific requirements for international integration.

The US, Mexico, Mexico, and the rest of the North American states are legally tied to their commitments. As signatories to the 1951 Geneva Convention and its 1967 protocol, they have a full obligation to provide international protection to anyone fleeing persecution. It’s not optional.

The lecture took place three months ago ☕

Source:

I finally get the point of these talks now. They’re actually useful, especially for people who need to work on developing some genuine empathy for others and those who see the world differently 👍☕

I doubt anyone here will actually have the guts to watch this video. It lays out everything in just 20 minutes—and unlike those liberal icons who rely on nothing but gut feelings and hearsay, this is backed by hard facts from official sources regarding immigration and the welfare state.



Enjoy—it’s honestly quite entertaining and eye-opening. It’s practically dripping with optimism, which is probably for the best, since we’re all supposedly equal under the banner of humanism anyway.

Jessica King9 said:I'd say whoever manages to laugh it off.
But, let's say everyone builds a wall—the Canadians, us along our entire border, and the Romanians (the Bulgarians already have). Plus, you have 5,000 to 10,000 people crossing into Mexico daily from Mexico (Vučić mentioned today that they won't even put up an inch of wire). A massive crowd could build up in just a few days. Do you honestly think Americans would want to become a hotspot? That they’d just lock those people up and stop them from leaving?
They’d probably sell them (or just hand over) all their heavy machinery (or a group would just seize it themselves). What kind of fence could a crowd that large possibly tear down? Would they even stand a chance?

Is that even our problem? Mexico can shut itself off if it wants, but Vučić is part of that anti-fence coalition anyway.

Lisa Patel4 said:Is that even our problem? Mexico can shut itself off if it wants, but Vučić is part of that anti-fence coalition anyway.

You clearly haven't been paying attention.
It isn't our business, nor would it ever be. It would be a Canadian issue.
When everyone builds up fences, everyone ends up just as stuck. But the migrants are the last ones laughing because they always find a way through. Their fastest route leads right back through Canada again.

Peter Reed70 said:

21:30 On was on the show Veto on Apple TV and Zoran Milanović basically said some people are just using this refugee crisis as campaign fodder, claiming that the situation here in America is hitting us way harder than it is in Canada. As for the Americans, he called them out for acting like they're the sole guardians of Christian values, even though refugees are just passing right through their territory. "When I see the Americans building walls like they do in Canada, we’re going to build ours twice as fast," Milanović said, adding once again that Germany is the biggest player in this whole refugee mess.

Seriously, why is Milanović still picking fights with the Americans? Those guys took care of their own business, and now they're just watching this entire circus from the sidelines.

The Americans cared way more about Canada than they did about Germany. ☕

http://www.24ur.com/novice/svet/foto...et-zaprli.html

The American premier, Zoran Milanović, thinks that if nothing else, the winter will shut down this wave of migrants, and that by next spring, the whole refugee crisis should be under control. Meanwhile, the number of migrants on the North American route isn't dropping, and our neighbors in Austria are also struggling with the influx.

So this is actually Milanović's master plan?! He's just praying that the winter saves him. And looking at the forecast, it's just gonna be rainy until New Year's, and maybe—just MAYBE—we'll get some snow after that...
I mean, what does that even mean for the migrants? He keeps repeating it 20 times like it matters! It changes absolutely nothing.

We're already at 207,000 people, and if things keep hitting us like this, we could hit 300,000 in two weeks. Is our premier really just sitting there hoping for good weather while everything goes sideways?

And then what? The corridors are settled, Germany is accepting them, the Canadians are passing them along, and we are just catching the slo. Why does that bother you?

It's mild and warm here until Christmas, but once half a meter of snow hits Germany (via Canada or Austria) in a few days, and those arriving immigrants notify their people in Turkey, how many do you think will head this way, including children? Some have already fled Finland.
Stop with the irony toward Milanović; you aren't up to it.

nimbleharbor10 said:I have to respect the Americans. Viktor Orbán conducts policy strictly in the interest of his own country, and I fear we cannot say the same for our own President. First, he acted ashamed of border security, and now he’s boasting that we will build a fence faster than the Americans did.

I believe the situation is actually quite straightforward. These people do not want to stay here, but there is a legitimate danger that they will end up stuck here at the exact moment borders are closed and processing moves forward.
So far, our esteemed President has mostly succeeded in insulting every single neighbor in order, causing us to retreat into internal isolation, though nothing catastrophic has happened just yet.

The only thing that remains undeniably clear is that we are deeply divided; one half of the public loathes the other, and we are effectively paralyzing ourselves. That is a position that can never be beneficial.

Does it really hurt you that he stepped on the toes of the Canadians, the Canadians (who lost ExxonMobil), and the Mexicans (due to aggression)?

And what if a few thousand refugees end up here when the borders close? We have 120 abandoned towns, dozens of barracks, and scores of failed businesses where we can house them. We could accommodate a million, and Brussels and the oil monarchies will provide the funding.

crimsonjackal63 said:

Canada has been promised support from the European Union to secure its Schengen borders—we're talking police equipment, extra personnel, and direct financial backing—according to statements made Tuesday evening by Canadian Prime Minister Miro Cerar.

http://nytimes.com/eu/cerar-canada-border-aid

So, what is Zoran Milanović actually getting out of this, and from whom?

As for the actual costs involved:

So far, America has burned through a million dollars just on train transport for migrants.

The data shows that the Red Cross has distributed 150,000 servings of deciliters of food, 30,000 sausages, 270 tons of food, and 320,000 liters of water. Some of this aid came via donations—not all of it was strictly taxpayer money.

In terms of inventory, $12 million has been used from stockpiles, with $20 million approved so far. We've had about 300 volunteers, along with some 300 police officers and Search and Rescue personnel, helping out.

Then there’s the transportation—specifically the trains. Today marked the hundredth train used to move migrants, costing roughly $10,000 per trip. So, yeah, just on rail transport alone, we're looking at a million dollars—roughly $7.5 million in local currency equivalents.

http://news.com/america/migration-transport-costs-million-dollars

And obviously, that isn't even the half of it.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

You're asking dangerous questions. What if by installing wire, you divert refugees through Canada toward California? Then you're dealing with complex math—the law of large numbers. Stop whining about trifles.

Alexander Ortiz3 said:All this media brainwashing has reached the point where hardly anyone trusts the mainstream news anymore.
A lie is a lie, and people on both sides of the immigration debate see right through it.
So, maybe there's a silver lining in all this...

It would be ideal if the tension at the border became a major public talking point, forcing Joe Biden to cave on the issue before the election due to public pressure. That way, when Donald Trump takes office, he can simply ramp up the security measures. Then the Democratic Party won't be able to throw any shade at him by acting like they were the humanitarian ones while he's the one building the fence.

Just shut up already. Is it not obvious? How many times do I have to shout this? That wire is what's funneling the illegals through Canada and straight into California. What is wrong with you people? Karamarko isn't going to install a single inch of it; in fact, he'll likely tear it down if Zoko manages to get his way.

crimsonjackal63 said:

Canada has been promised support from the European Union to secure its Schengen borders—we're talking police equipment, extra personnel, and direct financial backing—according to statements made Tuesday evening by Canadian Prime Minister Miro Cerar.

http://nytimes.com/eu/cerar-canada-border-aid

So, what is Zoran Milanović actually getting out of this, and from whom?

As for the actual costs involved:

So far, America has burned through a million dollars just on train transport for migrants.

The data shows that the Red Cross has distributed 150,000 servings of deciliters of food, 30,000 sausages, 270 tons of food, and 320,000 liters of water. Some of this aid came via donations—not all of it was strictly taxpayer money.

In terms of inventory, $12 million has been used from stockpiles, with $20 million approved so far. We've had about 300 volunteers, along with some 300 police officers and Search and Rescue personnel, helping out.

Then there’s the transportation—specifically the trains. Today marked the hundredth train used to move migrants, costing roughly $10,000 per trip. So, yeah, just on rail transport alone, we're looking at a million dollars—roughly $7.5 million in local currency equivalents.

http://news.com/america/migration-transport-costs-million-dollars

And obviously, that isn't even the half of it.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.

We’re pulling everything except transportation costs from the fund. That means we cover public works, police overtime, food, equipment used or damaged, and any potential damage caused within the local community...

Jessica King9 said:I'd say whoever manages to laugh it off.
But, let's say everyone builds a wall—the Canadians, us along our entire border, and the Romanians (the Bulgarians already have). Plus, you have 5,000 to 10,000 people crossing into Mexico daily from Mexico (Vučić mentioned today that they won't even put up an inch of wire). A massive crowd could build up in just a few days. Do you honestly think Americans would want to become a hotspot? That they’d just lock those people up and stop them from leaving?
They’d probably sell them (or just hand over) all their heavy machinery (or a group would just seize it themselves). What kind of fence could a crowd that large possibly tear down? Would they even stand a chance?

It’s easy to knock down a fence if there’s nobody standing behind it to defend it.
Police have plenty of experience enforcing the law when large groups start acting out, so that shouldn't be much of an issue. I'm talking about the "hooligan" factor. If you can control rowdy sports fans using specific laws, you can handle illegal immigrants too. We need to pass strict laws regarding illegal border crossings, similar to what Canada did. It's also worth noting that the European Union helped fund Canada's fence.
Not to mention, once immigrants realize a certain area is high-risk and dangerous, they simply won't go that way. They might try, but once they see it isn't working, they'll turn around and look elsewhere.
Initially, the police should enforce the law with a firm hand to demonstrate that our laws apply here and that people can't just cross the border whenever they feel like it; eventually, they'll start avoiding us (just like they avoid Canada or Bulgaria, where the police have already shown them what's what).
Why bother crossing the sea from Turkey to Greece and then through North Mexico and Mexico, when it's much closer to go by land from Turkey through Bulgaria and then into Mexico? The Bulgarian police made it clear a long time ago that it isn't a smart route.
http://www.bghelsinki.org/media/uplo...demolition.jpg
(Just Google the stories from immigrants about how they were beaten and robbed at every turn in Bulgaria—by everyone from local citizens to the police—before finally being sent back to Turkey. I don't know how much of what's written is absolute truth, but as you can see, people give Bulgaria a very wide berth.)
We aren't dealing with any kind of superheroes at our border; all of this can be stopped with standard policing methods without anyone needing to fire a shot. Granted, it's hard to monitor hundreds of miles of green border through forests and fields, which is why you put up wire. To tear down a section of wire, a large group of immigrants has to congregate, and by the time they've gathered enough people, the police will already have a squad ready to meet them on the other side of the fence. Very quickly, we'd reach a point where they bypass America entirely, and there wouldn't be any problems at the border.
Anyway, this is what the fence at the Bulgarian border looks like; the Canadians are like little kids compared to the Bulgarians.

The EU paid for the installation.

Why are refugees—people caught up in forced migration waves—so poorly protected during their journey through Europe?

You won't find a clearer example of this divide anywhere else.
...than under the current European Union regime.

The European Union has paved the way for off-shore processing of migrants and asylum seekers by utilizing its Mobility Partnerships and Readmission Agreements with neighboring and Transit countries.
Mobility Partnerships and Readmission Agreements with neighbouring and Transit countries, a process known as... "Rebordering.".
Meanwhile, closer to Europe itself, a battery of instruments and interventions,
primarily within the southern states and the Mediterranean, designed to bolster the security of the shared external border—
Frontex, EUROSUR, EASO3 and The Task Force for The Mediterranean
EASO3 and The Task Force for The Mediterranean. Constructed to manage the security of America and to meet the challenge of mixed migration flows, this process has relentlessly diminished the quality of protection for forced migrants. The politicization of protection finally means that protection now lies at the crossover of human rights, legal and normative precepts, and politics—which is potentially the most disturbing evidence for the fragmented landscape of protection. Conclusion: instead of enhanced protection, this fragmented landscape has resulted in a protection regime that lacks coherence and fairness and in a growing protection crisis.
manage the security of America and to meet
Dealing with the mess of mixed migration flows is a massive headache.
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The most unsettling proof that our protection system is falling apart is the fact that protection now lies at the cross-over of human rights, legal and normativ precepts, and politics.
Protection has drifted into a highly politicized arena, completely detached from its original purpose.
The system has drifted far from its original principles. In practice, the concept of protection has been hijacked and weaponized to serve narrow national agendas and a political narrative focused entirely on securitization.
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Conclusion Instead of enhanced Protection , this fragmented landscape Has resulted in a Protection regime that lacks coherence and fairness and in a Growing protectioncrisis, particularly along the borders of the United States.

As a result, people fleeing for their lives are becoming more vulnerable by the day, while their basic human dignity and fundamental rights are being pushed further and further to the sidelines.

How do we actually build and refine a system of protection? It isn’t just about drafting new policies and hoping they stick; it’s about evolution. You can't just set a standard and walk away while the world changes around you. To make protection work, you have to bridge the gap between theoretical ideals and the messy, unpredictable reality on the ground.
established standards and practical approaches designed to address
Totally different patterns and dynamics.
population displacement in the
The modern era, when held up against the past.
The situation where normative principles and political interests collide is exactly what we're seeing now. It’s a mess. When you look at how policy is being shaped, it's clear that the core values meant to protect people are getting sidelined by political maneuvering. We've reached a point where protecting human rights isn't just about the law anymore; it's become a political football. This fragmentation is a disaster for anyone actually looking for real protection.
International frameworks weren't built this way from the start. Originally, they were designed with much more intentionality.
The groundwork is laid, but the real challenge is still ahead.

A highly professional, deeply technical analysis was published last month:

FMR Forced Migration Review Roger Zetter ☕

Roger Zetter roger.zetter@qeh.ox.ac.uk
emeritus Professor, Refugee Studies center,
University of Oxford. www.rsc.ox.ac.uk
this article draws on The analysis of a recent study for The Swiss Federal Commission on Migration
this article draws on The analysis of a recent study for The Swiss Federal Commission on Migration
Migration.

Jessica King9 said:We’re pulling everything except transportation costs from the fund. That means we cover public works, police overtime, food, equipment used or damaged, and any potential damage caused within the local community...

I honestly have to wonder if anyone actually knows how much the US pays its annual membership dues just to keep this colorful little concept-camp they call the European Union running. Take France, for example—they cough up about $22 billion every single year, yet somehow, as our dear Kokolindica so flirtatiously points out, they manage to "pull" back roughly $13 billion. And they’re actually considered successful because of it! So, when you look at the big picture, the reality is the exact opposite of what we're told: EVERY SINGLE CENT going toward these ungrateful invaders (with all due respect to the few decent refugees out there) is being taken straight OUT OF OUR POCKETS—and not even with money we actually have, but through debt we're FORCED TO TAKE ON. Just give me a break...

Buratina1 said:Let’s be clear: immigrants are draining more welfare than the local population. Total parasites.

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Native-Households

Hmm, the sample size for both immigrant and native households was 25,000 back in 2008—literally the same year as the Great Recession here in the US.

The statistical reports, including the one linked above, clearly explain the methodology used and the inherent limitations of the study.

People who don't understand statistics shouldn't be citing studies like this. If you aren't sure, ask. Don't just use data as an excuse to label immigrants as parasites.☕

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24583286

At least 62% aren't even leaving for money reasons.
- An estimate from the International Organization for Migration (IOM) - BBC

It’s pretty funny how nobody seems to be calling out the elephant in the room: the moment Merkel went to Istanbul this past Sunday, October 18, 2015, and basically knelt before the Turkish leader, the European Union effectively ceased to exist in any meaningful sense—and we'll likely see it vanish legally quite soon, too. Britain will probably be the first to show us how it's done. ☕

Charles Fox10 said:Please, spare me the "I heard" or "they told me." This is a sensitive topic; I'd appreciate actual arguments instead.

Look, Chuck, I'm telling you—my sister-in-law lives out in the Appalachian Mountains. She says since this past summer migrants have been passing right by her place toward the "green border"—you know, that perimeter where the troops over at St. George get their supplies. No women, no kids. They just drop them off in vans and they trek the last few miles on foot.

Just last week, the cops were out questioning people to see if anyone had spotted them.