Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

Dennis Hall41 said:Nope.

Not a cent for Turkey, not a dime.
And yeah, actually—I'm not really feeling like dropping a few bucks for someone over there I've never even met. Honestly, I'd rather keep those few bucks for myself.

It’s not about Turkey—it’s about the people fleeing war (and we better vet them so we aren't just letting in people looking to leech off the US). As for Turkey? They can take it where they shove it.

Drew Brooks8 said:Yeah, that’s exactly how it's phrased, and it raises a ton of questions. Who’s actually organizing this? Who handed them the roadmap?

The same people who decided to use ropes to cross the river? Or the ones who sent those guys in blue over with the rope?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...7980380577.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ht-Greece.html

It’s pretty convenient how the Daily Mail manages to have a professional photographer right there while they're pushing the river narrative. No more blurry cell phone shots, I guess.

http://us.n1info.com/world/...border.html

According to reports from ABC, some flyers have been popping up lately among the refugees. They're written in Arabic and basically give instructions on how to cross over into North Mexico, actively encouraging people to make the trek. These leaflets have also been circulating on social media, and they're all signed by "Norbert Blum's command."

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Following an emergency session of the government, the Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras came out swinging on Tuesday. He slammed the distribution of those flyers, calling it "dangerous behavior played at the expense of refugees." Tsipras made it clear: "This game with human lives has to stop." He told the refugees they need to follow the Greek government's directives and hammered home the point that the so-called North American route is being shut down for good.

Even commentators over at some German news outlets were tearing into the mystery authors behind the leaflets, labeling the whole stunt as "irresponsible playing with human lives."

"These unknown actors are sending refugees on a perilous, hopeless journey just for the sake of a few sensational photos. It’s cynical and reckless," ABC reported.

I seriously hope these "volunteers" get held accountable for putting the lives of these clueless refugees at risk—most of whom are just women, kids, and the vulnerable... ☕

It looks like over 2,000 people have already made it through, though whether they were actually intercepted by the Mexican authorities or just slipped right past them is anyone's guess!
And where does this leave us? If a few thousand more clear the second checkpoint, and then thousands more at the third... it feels like we're losing any sense of control, and honestly, does anyone even know the true number currently in the country??

Of course, they aren't planning on staying in North Mexico; the goal is to push through toward Mexico and eventually make their way into the States. But if we assume the government actually finds some backbone and decides to step in, how are they even supposed to move? There aren't any free trains anymore, the subsidized bus routes are gone, and nobody is jumping into an expensive taxi.

So, how are they expected to navigate this "southern route"—just by walking? And what kind of chaos are they going to cause along the way?
Are they just going to block major highways or go wandering through farmers' cornfields?

I really wonder, who is actually going to be the one to step up and say enough is enough? Or better yet, who's going to stand their ground and tell them to stop right there?

Amanda Moore8 said:Look, don't get me wrong—I am all for shutting down those borders entirely—but I just can't wrap my head around why North Mexico is being so incredibly adamant about protecting its borders against the West. It’s a strange situation, really; Western nations won't even recognize their official name, opting instead for a rather distorted version of it—and because of that Greek veto, they haven't been able to join NATO yet.

It's probably some kind of "under the table" deal with Western countries. Honestly, I guess those Westerners aren't actually as obsessed with humanitarianism as we like to think; they just have to put on a polite act regarding refugees.
That’s likely why North Mexico is stepping up to try and block as many crossings as possible. I highly doubt they’re just doing this entirely on their own initiative.

mellowotter17 said:It looks like over 2,000 people have already made it through, though whether they were actually intercepted by the Mexican authorities or just slipped right past them is anyone's guess!
And where does this leave us? If a few thousand more clear the second checkpoint, and then thousands more at the third... it feels like we're losing any sense of control, and honestly, does anyone even know the true number currently in the country??

Of course, they aren't planning on staying in North Mexico; the goal is to push through toward Mexico and eventually make their way into the States. But if we assume the government actually finds some backbone and decides to step in, how are they even supposed to move? There aren't any free trains anymore, the subsidized bus routes are gone, and nobody is jumping into an expensive taxi.

So, how are they expected to navigate this "southern route"—just by walking? And what kind of chaos are they going to cause along the way?
Are they just going to block major highways or go wandering through farmers' cornfields?

I really wonder, who is actually going to be the one to step up and say enough is enough? Or better yet, who's going to stand their ground and tell them to stop right there?

Our officials announced that the police and military, working alongside units sent from several other countries, turned everyone back—including journalists and volunteers—who were then fined and banned from entering.

Drew Brooks8, you're being totally unfair right now...

It’s just not cool to leave the Greeks hanging out to dry like that, shutting down the border and basically telling them, "good luck, you're on your own," don't you think???

Sophia Ramos5 said:The same people who decided to use ropes to cross the river? Or the ones who sent those guys in blue over with the rope?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...7980380577.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ht-Greece.html

It’s pretty convenient how the Daily Mail manages to have a professional photographer right there while they're pushing the river narrative. No more blurry cell phone shots, I guess.

Yeah, those guys in blue are just "volunteers." I don't know who they are, but I’ve got my suspicions about the Greeks. They just dump the whole burden on the rest of us instead of actually sending people back—at least, at least regarding those folks over at Idomen.

Matthew Rodriguez9 said:Drew Brooks8, you're being totally unfair right now...

It’s just not cool to leave the Greeks hanging out to dry like that, shutting down the border and basically telling them, "good luck, you're on your own," don't you think???

And are they being fair? Dragging them all to our border knowing damn well that if we take them in, they’re stuck here forever. They can't go any further north, so they just clean up their mess and dump it on us.

I just hope North Mexico isn't playing the role of the EU's unpaid security guard for nothing.

Drew Brooks8 said:Yeah, those guys in blue are just "volunteers." I don't know who they are, but I’ve got my suspicions about the Greeks. They just dump the whole burden on the rest of us instead of actually sending people back—at least, at least regarding those folks over at Idomen.

Oh, you're gonna send them back... with interest? 😁

Casey Ramos31 said:Oh, you're gonna send them back... with interest? 😁

Of course. Everything in this life comes with a price tag and a bill to settle. 😁

Drew Brooks8 said:Our officials announced that the police and military, working alongside units sent from several other countries, turned everyone back—including journalists and volunteers—who were then fined and banned from entering.

I’m talking about you guys! And I really hope there are some Americans in the mix too, assuming we're actually smart enough to be included in that group, right?

mellowotter17 said:I’m talking about you guys! And I really hope there are some Americans in the mix too, assuming we're actually smart enough to be included in that group, right?

Oh, you're plenty smart 👍. Your officers are right there, patrolling side-by-side with ours.

mellowotter17 said:It looks like over 2,000 people have already made it through, though whether they were actually intercepted by the Mexican authorities or just slipped right past them is anyone's guess!
And where does this leave us? If a few thousand more clear the second checkpoint, and then thousands more at the third... it feels like we're losing any sense of control, and honestly, does anyone even know the true number currently in the country??

Of course, they aren't planning on staying in North Mexico; the goal is to push through toward Mexico and eventually make their way into the States. But if we assume the government actually finds some backbone and decides to step in, how are they even supposed to move? There aren't any free trains anymore, the subsidized bus routes are gone, and nobody is jumping into an expensive taxi.

So, how are they expected to navigate this "southern route"—just by walking? And what kind of chaos are they going to cause along the way?
Are they just going to block major highways or go wandering through farmers' cornfields?

I really wonder, who is actually going to be the one to step up and say enough is enough? Or better yet, who's going to stand their ground and tell them to stop right there?

Well, I think the North Mexicans have things under control—they can manage it whenever they choose to, and they certainly want to. Plus, they aren't exactly doing this alone...