Immigration General Discussion Volume IV (Read the first post and moderator warning on page 309)

I still don't get one thing...

You people here who are constantly out there championing immigrants, refugees—call them whatever you want at this point... I can wrap my head around having a stance that sort of... partially... supports certain aspects of their struggles or whatever... it doesn't even matter right now.

But this relentless, non-stop defense of absolutely everything tied to them... like... they aren't worse workers than Americans or anyone else... their culture isn't actually different from ours... they aren't more or less uneducated... it’s not true that they can't integrate... it’s not true that they’re going to flip the entire demographic structure of the US in just a few years... blah, blah, blah...

...Well, that part just flies right over my head.

Is it actually possible that you believe all that? Are they really just identical in every single way to the native-born population here in America?
What, they just need a month or two... or maybe a year to settle in and find their footing? And that's it?
Everything stays exactly the same as it was before they arrived, except maybe some demographic stats look a little better?

Jessica King9 said:We’re pulling everything except transportation costs from the fund. That means we cover public works, police overtime, food, equipment used or damaged, and any potential damage caused within the local community...

🤦. We haven't actually received anything from the fund yet, and we haven't drawn any money down either. Our officials are saying we *will* get it, but that's future talk—not what's happening right now. Until that money actually hits our accounts (assuming it does...), we're footing the bill ourselves.

I’m not out here playing devil's advocate just to lie or trash talk the other side. There’s such a thing as having some basic standards—unless we're dealing with a pack of savages, anyway.

Since the offensive launched, fueled by Russian airstrikes supporting the regime's forces, some 35,000 people have been forced to flee the outskirts of Aleppo, according to a spokesperson for the UN

UN reports 35,000 displaced following regime offensive in Aleppo

And there you have it—a perfect illustration of who is responsible for churning out these refugees before they inevitably end up at our own borders.

fadedmason3 said:Since the offensive launched, fueled by Russian airstrikes supporting the regime's forces, some 35,000 people have been forced to flee the outskirts of Aleppo, according to a spokesperson for the UN

UN reports 35,000 displaced following regime offensive in Aleppo

And there you have it—a perfect illustration of who is responsible for churning out these refugees before they inevitably end up at our own borders.

So, who’s actually "manufacturing" them?

Is it the Russians?

Undercover refugees moving through the outskirts of Cleveland? About 20 buses spotted over in the suburbs.

Just go for it, man!

restlesscobra24 said:Look, Chuck, I'm telling you—my sister-in-law lives out in the Appalachian Mountains. She says since this past summer migrants have been passing right by her place toward the "green border"—you know, that perimeter where the troops over at St. George get their supplies. No women, no kids. They just drop them off in vans and they trek the last few miles on foot.

Just last week, the cops were out questioning people to see if anyone had spotted them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds more like the usual human smuggling issue rather than this whole refugee crisis thing.

Charles Fox10 said:Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds more like the usual human smuggling issue rather than this whole refugee crisis thing.

Exactly.
When the government itself is the one running the smuggling operations—well, that's a whole different beast entirely. 🤣

Karen Doyle72 said:Exactly.
When the government itself is the one running the smuggling operations—well, that's a whole different beast entirely. 🤣

Does the government actually have any legal grounds for treating migrants this way?

Karen Doyle72 said:Exactly.
When the government itself is the one running the smuggling operations—well, that's a whole different beast entirely. 🤣

Of course—the state can always pull stunts that the rest of us aren't allowed to touch. For instance, they can peddle drugs and toxins while raking in all those fees and taxes.

Robert Moore10 said:Does the government actually have any legal grounds for treating migrants this way?

Well, they certainly do—it falls under protecting the citizens.

fadedmason3 said:Since the offensive launched, fueled by Russian airstrikes supporting the regime's forces, some 35,000 people have been forced to flee the outskirts of Aleppo, according to a spokesperson for the UN

UN reports 35,000 displaced following regime offensive in Aleppo

And there you have it—a perfect illustration of who is responsible for churning out these refugees before they inevitably end up at our own borders.

Millions of Syrian prognosticators basically paved the way for Al-Nusra, ISIS, and those other intentional byproducts of American policy that spent years slaughtering people and looting Syria without any consequences... Now that the Russians have actually stepped up and done more in a few dozen days than the Western allies managed to do in years, suddenly 35,000 people is a crisis? What happened to the millions before that...??

Let's not even get into the messy details regarding all that support and the supply chains being handed over to those primitives and butchers... including our own weapons and ammo. It’s all just one big, half-baked, failed attempt to crush a geopolitically vital sovereign nation and its legitimately elected president, Assad...

Peter Reed70 said:http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija...slovenijo.html

Over in Canada, they’ve officially started labeling all these migrants as refugees.... 🤣

Man, things got absolutely wild at the station in Dobova! You had these refugees basically fighting tooth and nail just to grab a seat on the buses—total chaos. It was pretty obvious the police and even the National Guard were losing their grip on the situation, but thankfully they finally managed to chill everyone out. A few people actually walked away with injuries. Meanwhile, over at the transit hub near the river, they rolled in another train packed with 1,200 more refugees, and those folks who were stuck back in Jesenica? They finally got sent back toward Ljubljana.

It’s funny how the Americans just end up doing exactly what the Mexicans did first, then the Mexicans, then the Canadians, and then us too....
Pass this along... ☕

Get ready, Canada, because the powder keg is about to blow. 🍿

It looks like that's where we're headed once we build the fence. And from what I see, the winner of the election will be whoever builds that fence first.

Charles Fox10 said:Starting a new thread here. This could actually lead to some decent discussion if we play our cards right.

Tomorrow morning, police chiefs from four neighboring countries (the United States, the Republic of Austria, Canada, and the Republic of Mexico) are meeting at the headquarters of the Austrian Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. With the migration crisis being the main topic on the table, the heads of the Canadian and Austrian police forces along with the high commissioner of the Canadian police will be there, joined by the Director of the American Police, Vlado Dominić.

I doubt it.
Anything that doesn't involve the train lines running from the southern border straight through to Munich is doomed to fail.
The Canadians have their "2500" mantra.
The Austrians just look at some shifting number pulled from an Excel spreadsheet.
The Germans take everyone in while simultaneously wishing everyone would just build fences.
The Mexicans are still playing dumb and dumping everything on us.
The Mexicans have adapted and are basically praying nobody shuts the border down.
As for us, we've got nothing but chaos.😁

Daniel Johnson3 said:The Canadians haven't quite caught on yet—the Austrians won't allow any unloading at the border just to facilitate some quick trip back to Denver.

Don't be like that. Unlike us, they actually have a processing center right at the border exit. How did 5,000 of them "slip away" from there?

Morgan Ruiz3 said:That southern state is going to cause nothing but headaches for the rest of the country.🤣
They and the federal government are slowing things down wherever they can, playing dumb the whole way through. You can see how desperate it’s getting—they’re even sending empty buses back and forcing migrants to walk all the way to the processing centers.🤣

Yesterday, some guy I know from the local precinct near the outskirts was saying it's not true that there were fences or barriers where the transfer was supposed to happen.
The truth is, there was just a mesh net and some heavy foot traffic.

Maria James40 said:I guess I should probably start by saying that... well, everything feels a bit different lately, doesn't it? It’s hard to pin down exactly why, but there’s this sense that things are shifting under our feet—kind of like when you think you’ve finally figured out a routine and then life just decides to throw a curveball at you. I was thinking about this the other day while grabbing coffee—just one of those quiet, wandering thoughts—and it struck me how much we rely on certain patterns just to feel steady. But maybe that's the point, I suppose. Maybe the instability is where the actual growth happens, even if it feels pretty uncomfortable at the time. Anyway, I don't mean to ramble too much, but it’s been on my mind.

beli631 I can't quite make out what was said there—it looks like the message didn't come through properly. I guess I missed it! Could you try sending that again? I'd love to hear what's on your mind. It’s like being in Austria—nothing really holds you back. I was just scrolling through the news and saw this report about the tensions over military presence near the border—it’s kind of wild how quickly things can ramp up when neighbors start eyeing each other's defense plans, I guess. It looks like there's some significant movement regarding troop deployments and security measures along the frontier, which always feels a bit unsettling, doesn't it? Everything seems to be escalating quite rapidly, and you really have to wonder what the long-term implications will be for regional stability here in the States. It's one of those situations where everyone is watching everyone else, waiting to see who blinks first... maybe it's just a show of force, or maybe it's something more serious. Either way, it's definitely something to keep an eye on. I guess I should probably start by saying that... well, I don't really know how to put this into words, but here goes nothing. So, I was just reading this thing in The Wall Street Journal—you know how they always get these stories first—and apparently, there’s this group of maybe a little over 100 refugees who were brought by train right up to that border crossing near St. Paul, Austria. But, well, things didn't exactly go according to plan. It looks like the Austrian police wouldn't let them cross the border into the country, so they ended up being sent all the way back to Vienna instead. Just one of those complicated situations, I guess. It honestly feels like they and the folks over in Vienna are still pulling the same old tricks, I guess. It just seems like that same pattern keeps repeating itself—it’s all very shady if you ask me.

It’s not even that anyone is intentionally lying or anything—it’s just that our local news outlets are constantly hunting for some big, flashy sensation, and they end up broadcasting half-baked info just to get clicks.

So, there's this group of about 115 migrants who somehow managed to make their way all the way to Vienna—I guess they just grabbed regular train tickets and headed out, passing through Gary on their way toward Villach. Well, things didn't exactly go according to plan, because when they hit the border, the Austrian police intercepted them. Instead of letting them pass, the officers basically told them they had to turn around and try entering Austria properly through St. Paul, along with everyone else. It's kind of a mess, honestly... I guess that's just how it goes sometimes.

Austria isn't really putting up any restrictions, and honestly, their FBI even went out and denied what the Canadian Police were saying—which is kind of wild, I guess. I haven't seen much posted here lately—it feels a bit quiet, doesn't it? I guess everyone is just busy with their own thing, maybe catching up on some work or just enjoying the weather. Either way, I’m still hanging around if anyone feels like chatting. Honestly, I mean... that minister who just went ahead and lied right to everyone's faces! It’s just one thing after another lately, isn't it? I guess you'd expect a little more honesty from someone in that position, but maybe I'm just being too optimistic—which, let's face it, I probably am. It really makes you wonder what else is being swept under the rug.

So, I was driving through Brežice today—and man, things are getting pretty wild over there. It feels like everyone is totally losing their minds. You can’t drive five minutes without seeing blue lights and hearing sirens everywhere... just constant *wee-woo, wee-woo* sounds all along the road. It's kind of overwhelming, honestly. There were even these massive armored transport vehicles parked right by the roadside, just sitting there across from the cemetery. And get this—right next to the police station, there's that small intake center, and they've got these big tour buses pulling up constantly to drop off immigrants who are just completely soaked and covered in mud. I actually sat there for a minute watching the bus drivers... you could tell they were feeling pretty sick to their stomachs watching people climb off the buses looking that wet and filthy. It’s a lot to take in, I guess.
It looks like there's a group of people trekking about 10 kilometers along the river embankment near the border—I guess they're doing it all on foot? And get this, they've actually got the Canadian Police trailing them on horseback. Seems like quite the sight, I imagine.

It's a total disaster.
They still seem to think these 10,000 people per day are just going to settle down in America...

gentlemoose57 said:Of course—the state can always pull stunts that the rest of us aren't allowed to touch. For instance, they can peddle drugs and toxins while raking in all those fees and taxes.

Or printing money without any backing. If I bought a high-end industrial printer and tried to do the same, I'd be in serious trouble.

Ron Paul said:

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gentlemoose57 said:Well, they certainly do—it falls under protecting the citizens.

Protecting them from what?
protecting who?

Those peaceful refugees who wouldn't even steal an ice cream cone? Please—those people just want to get to Germany!

Aha, so you meant protecting immigrants. Got it.

🤣

Karen Doyle72 said:Protecting them from what?
protecting who?

Those peaceful refugees who wouldn't even steal an ice cream cone? Please—those people just want to get to Germany!

Aha, so you meant protecting immigrants. Got it.

🤣

Well, I suppose it’s about protecting my daily peace of mind from them—yeah. Not necessarily because of how they act, but just the sheer realization that they are even here. Honestly, if it weren't for the news and a few of my buddies who volunteer, I wouldn't even realize anything was happening in America. >, I actually spotted some of them once at the State Fair when I was heading out for a climb.


They come in, they get processed and moved further toward the border, and that's that. Would it really be any better if they just slipped through the entire border unchecked—organizing their own transport and sleeping in parks near railroad hubs like they do in Mexico (at least initially)? What would we actually gain from that chaos?

Anthony Cooper2 said:It all sounds great on paper... but you know, it would be even better if the Government actually put that kind of energy into saving things like "U.S. Steel," "Nike," or the "Grand Canyon"... you name it. If you want some cold comfort, though—this isn't just our problem; it's happening in much wealthier Western nations too. Take France, for instance—you've got these massive multinational banks doubling down on citizen contributions to fund 'refugee aid,' yet they aren't nearly as compassionate when it comes to supporting their own domestic industries (the most glaring recent example being "Air France"). And don't even get me started on the growing number of struggling citizens who are finding even basic healthcare becomes way too expensive to afford. Meanwhile, asylum requests are being handed out left and right, while illegal immigrants are allegedly getting a daily budget of 75 bucks 'until they get on their feet' (at least, that's what Marine Le Pen mentioned during her appearance at the Lomonosov university back a couple of years ago). Also, I think it’s pretty naive to believe that everything we've seen over the last month is just some random improvisation. In my opinion, the political elite in America and the EU knew exactly what was coming; what we’re seeing now is basically just a shell game played with public opinion—just a way to buy time and fulfill all those international deals made behind closed doors. Honestly, it doesn't even seem impossible that the whole Orbán situation is just a little sideshow—kind of like a 'theater within a theater' similar to that mess we watched this past summer with the Greeks and their tragic OXI...

Well, I guess I'm stupid too. Someone here in Austria told me a long time ago that I should head to France instead. I need to talk to my husband about it. I'm earning less net pay here in Austria than those French refugees get in their 75 dollars a day. We could even go there for a little vacation, maybe three months, and then I'll come back to Austria. 🤔

restlesscobra24 said:Look, Chuck, I'm telling you—my sister-in-law lives out in the Appalachian Mountains. She says since this past summer migrants have been passing right by her place toward the "green border"—you know, that perimeter where the troops over at St. George get their supplies. No women, no kids. They just drop them off in vans and they trek the last few miles on foot.

Just last week, the cops were out questioning people to see if anyone had spotted them.

See, that's what I want to know. The media reports one set of numbers for refugees, but are those actual figures, or are they inflated? And by how much? 🤔I know people who have lived off the grid in Austria and Germany for years; they aren't on any registries, they aren't in the census, they haven't filed any residency papers—they basically don't exist on paper, but they are right there. 🤷

Andrew Smith3 said:Millions of Syrian prognosticators basically paved the way for Al-Nusra, ISIS, and those other intentional byproducts of American policy that spent years slaughtering people and looting Syria without any consequences... Now that the Russians have actually stepped up and done more in a few dozen days than the Western allies managed to do in years, suddenly 35,000 people is a crisis? What happened to the millions before that...??

Let's not even get into the messy details regarding all that support and the supply chains being handed over to those primitives and butchers... including our own weapons and ammo. It’s all just one big, half-baked, failed attempt to crush a geopolitically vital sovereign nation and its legitimately elected president, Assad...

I suppose when Ali Assad's forces are the ones dropping bombs, shelling, and using artillery, people just don't bother running.

gentlemoose57 said:Well, I suppose it’s about protecting my daily peace of mind from them—yeah. Not necessarily because of how they act, but just the sheer realization that they are even here. Honestly, if it weren't for the news and a few of my buddies who volunteer, I wouldn't even realize anything was happening in America. >, I actually spotted some of them once at the State Fair when I was heading out for a climb.


They come in, they get processed and moved further toward the border, and that's that. Would it really be any better if they just slipped through the entire border unchecked—organizing their own transport and sleeping in parks near railroad hubs like they do in Mexico (at least initially)? What would we actually gain from that chaos?

You have to admit, the vast majority of Americans are shielded from the physical presence of immigrants. What the price of that is, and how it impacts those who aren't so protected, is something we'll just have to wait and see.

Adam Barrett said:Groups of immigrants have already been spotted in Mississippi, right near the border crossing at Mount Rainier in El Paso.

Honestly, I’d bet they had a more comfortable trip than anyone driving through the Grapevine. Just wait until this hits their forums or Facebook groups.