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Sarah Ruiz42 Sarah Ruiz42 Active Member
52 messages
joined Jan 2007
#281 ·
I honestly think even these guys—knowing full well they’re playing dirty and risking losing people—only ask such stupid questions because they know their targets are stuck. They target people who can't just pull their cash and walk away. Once you're tied down with those "special loyalty" loans, overdraft fees, and credit card debt, you're trapped. In my opinion, the people in this country who actually have the freedom to just close their account and disappear are a tiny, tiny minority.
Sarah Morris57 Sarah Morris57 Active Member
57 messages
joined Jan 2013
#282 ·
Even better—they apparently just track when my ID expires somewhere in their system, and one time at JPMorgan Chase actually warned me that they might freeze my whole account just because I hadn't sent over the updated ID number yet!
It’s honestly ridiculous because nothing fundamentally changed—I either lost my old ID or it just expired (I can't quite remember which, honestly...) so I went out and grabbed a new one—but apparently, that's enough reason for my debit card to just stop working entirely... even though nobody ever bothered to tell me I had to report it if everything else stayed the same.
Sarah Ruiz42 Sarah Ruiz42 Active Member
52 messages
joined Jan 2007
#283 ·
Oh, absolutely. Banks are a massive evil and basically act like their own little sovereign nations. It’s literal. They make up their own rules on the fly and couldn't care less if those rules actually align with the Constitution, federal laws, or anything else for that matter. They just do whatever they want... honestly, it's the perfect metaphor for how this whole country is run right now.
feraljackal2 feraljackal2 Active Member
67 messages
joined Aug 2013
#284 ·
hiddenviper13 said:Maybe it’s time we started getting a little loud at the bank teller window. 😁

Seriously, if they give you any grief about processing a transaction, just tell them you’re pulling every cent out of your account and closing it right then and there. Let's see how quiet they get once you walk away with all that cash.

Honestly, it isn't really about the specific bank; if you close one, you'll just end up opening another where you'll have to deal with the exact same paperwork and questionnaires anyway.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#285 ·
Angela Wilson82 said:So, did anyone actually run into trouble for refusing to take that survey? I really don't feel like doing it, but they just keep calling and being a total nuisance...

Maybe just tell them you know they love to ask questions, but then ask them exactly what they are legally required to ask.
I guess you can judge by their reaction whether they're telling the truth or even if they actually know what they're talking about (and honestly, most of the time, the person asking doesn't even know; that goes for the "branch managers" too).

And just let them know that's the only question you'll answer, and insisting on anything else is totally off the table. You don't owe them an explanation.

My wife once had someone—who clearly wasn't fully briefed—trying to convince her for a while that she "had" to answer all sorts of random questions, but it turned out she didn't have to at all.

Legally speaking, there are certain obligations for open accounts only when transactions go over $0.00 or something like that. Everything else is just the banks being extra.

Laura Chavez93 said:Does anyone happen to know how things work abroad—specifically, does JP Morgan Chase actually call people at home to tell them they need to fill out surveys just because they hold an account there?

That's a really good question.

George Lewis9 said:If they aren't legally required to hunt down this data, they should at least offer an incentive for handing it over—kind of like how Verizon works, giving you $8.25 just for registering a prepaid line. I’d be more than happy to hand over my blood type if the banks actually offered a decent reward 🙂

Honestly, I think Americans go a bit overboard when it comes to data privacy. In Sweden, they have services linked directly to the tax authority where you can look up pretty much anyone—where they live, their birthday, what cars they own... and if you pay a little extra, you can even see their income or business interests (check out www.ratsit.se if you want to see for yourself). You can even use a license plate to find the owner and their registration history (there's this service http://biluppgifter.se/ for that). Nobody seems to complain

The info they actually *have* to ask for due to regulations is very limited.

rowdypilot19 said:Wait, so they're basically saying, "We won't give you your own money because you won't answer our questions"? Hahahaha, seriously? Where does it even say that in the contract?

Man, I wish they would try that with me. I’d love to just call my lawyer and start charging them interest from the second they refuse to pay... 🍿

It's better for them to collect data from you even if they already "have" it.

Technically, they aren't allowed to just go poking around your account data whenever they feel like it during their normal routine—actually, I'm pretty sure they can't touch it at all unless it falls within some super strict, specific guidelines.

But then again, if you basically hand everything over to them by "voluntarily" answering all those questions... well, I guess it's totally possible that changes the whole situation.

-Joe
Sarah Ruiz42 Sarah Ruiz42 Active Member
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#286 ·
briskjackal5 said:Maybe just tell them you know they love to ask questions, but then ask them exactly what they are legally required to ask.
I guess you can judge by their reaction whether they're telling the truth or even if they actually know what they're talking about (and honestly, most of the time, the person asking doesn't even know; that goes for the "branch managers" too).

And just let them know that's the only question you'll answer, and insisting on anything else is totally off the table. You don't owe them an explanation.

My wife once had someone—who clearly wasn't fully briefed—trying to convince her for a while that she "had" to answer all sorts of random questions, but it turned out she didn't have to at all.

Legally speaking, there are certain obligations for open accounts only when transactions go over $0.00 or something like that. Everything else is just the banks being extra.

That's a really good question.

The info they actually *have* to ask for due to regulations is very limited.

It's better for them to collect data from you even if they already "have" it.

Technically, they aren't allowed to just go poking around your account data whenever they feel like it during their normal routine—actually, I'm pretty sure they can't touch it at all unless it falls within some super strict, specific guidelines.

But then again, if you basically hand everything over to them by "voluntarily" answering all those questions... well, I guess it's totally possible that changes the whole situation.

-Joe

I think that falls under those anti-money laundering regulations. But look, that’s a daily limit, which means someone can just move $35 every single day... It just proves once again that this is all cosmetic. It's nothing more than a way for big-time crooks to keep wading through the mud without getting caught...

briskjackal5 said:Maybe just tell them you know they love to ask questions, but then ask them exactly what they are legally required to ask.
I guess you can judge by their reaction whether they're telling the truth or even if they actually know what they're talking about (and honestly, most of the time, the person asking doesn't even know; that goes for the "branch managers" too).

And just let them know that's the only question you'll answer, and insisting on anything else is totally off the table. You don't owe them an explanation.

My wife once had someone—who clearly wasn't fully briefed—trying to convince her for a while that she "had" to answer all sorts of random questions, but it turned out she didn't have to at all.

Legally speaking, there are certain obligations for open accounts only when transactions go over $0.00 or something like that. Everything else is just the banks being extra.

That's a really good question.

The info they actually *have* to ask for due to regulations is very limited.

It's better for them to collect data from you even if they already "have" it.

Technically, they aren't allowed to just go poking around your account data whenever they feel like it during their normal routine—actually, I'm pretty sure they can't touch it at all unless it falls within some super strict, specific guidelines.

But then again, if you basically hand everything over to them by "voluntarily" answering all those questions... well, I guess it's totally possible that changes the whole situation.

-Joe

And most of that info is already collected when you first open the account. Later on, the only thing they might ever ask for is an update to those specific details.
wiredlynx28 wiredlynx28 Active Member
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#287 ·
Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
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joined Dec 2015
#288 ·
wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

What possible use does a bank (one where I carry no loans, no overdrafts, and frankly, no significant debt whatsoever) have for my cell number, my email, or my office line? Or even personal details like my marital status or how many children I have?
Why on earth am I getting calls out of the blue, being told I need to come in and fill out ten pages of such intrusive questions?
Why doesn't the bank simply clarify which specific data points are required for account maintenance and which aren't?
If they actually suspect money laundering, why haven't they settled that directly with the IRS?
And if they truly believe I'm some sort of terrorist... 😵 why not just notify the FBI?
How is it even possible that after 15 or 20 years of maintaining accounts at this institution, I have suddenly been flagged as a potential terrorist or a money launderer?
Why lie and claim that I am obligated to provide all this, and if there really is a universal law in effect, why can't they just pull those details through the federal agencies that are already responsible for sharing that information?
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#289 ·
wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Well, if that's the case, why don't you just list out exactly which pieces of data the law is forcing them to ask for?

I mean, if it’s actually mandated by law, then there has to be a specific list of what they can request, right? You should definitely be able to see that somewhere. There’s gotta be an official document that says, "okay, they can ask for X, Y, and Z," and it can't just go on forever.

Because right now, it feels like one person is asking about this and someone else is worried about that, so it's all a bit confusing, I guess.

The law doesn't just say, "hey, feel free to ask whatever comes to mind." It's supposed to be precisely defined.
And if you're going to keep insisting, "we have to, because the law says so," then maybe just tell us exactly what the law says? That way we'll actually know if the law is the issue here or not, based on what's actually written down.

-briskjackal5
placidmaker6 placidmaker6 Active Member
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joined Feb 2020
#290 ·
If you want to know why and when banks started hoarding all this data, look here:

And here’s what a typical questionnaire for individuals actually looks like:
Eric Newman4 Eric Newman4 Member
27 messages
joined Oct 2013
#291 ·
placidmaker6 said:If you want to know why and when banks started hoarding all this data, look here:

And here’s what a typical questionnaire for individuals actually looks like:

not a big deal

so which questionnaire are we talking about then? The one where they ask about marital status and all those other personal details... because none of that is in here...
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#292 ·
Hold on—if banks are actually doing their jobs correctly, then what exactly is the purpose of the IRS, the SEC, and the rest of the regulatory agencies? 🤔
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#293 ·
placidmaker6 said:If you want to know why and when banks started hoarding all this data, look here:

And here’s what a typical questionnaire for individuals actually looks like:

But honestly, this is just for opening an account.
Like, this is stuff from all the way back in 2008! (!)
And if you look closely, it seems like everything listed there is specifically for that one single account being opened. It’s not even about your personal life or anything.

I guess it would be pretty interesting to see which parts of this are actually required by law.

Plus, looking at the questionnaire in the link, it doesn't even include half of those random questions people have been mentioning on here...
I always thought banks absolutely hated having to ask any questions at all, haha. 😁

-Joe Biden
Sarah Ruiz42 Sarah Ruiz42 Active Member
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joined Jan 2007
#294 ·
wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Oh, really?? That’s a total lie. There isn't some magic law forcing this, and if there is—laws aren't top secret, they're public and free—then why don't you just drop a link to the specific regulation? I’m a stickler for the rules myself, so it’s not like reading them is hard for me... I’m dying to know exactly where the government tells banks they absolutely *must* know a mountain of my private business that has zero to do with them.

The law explicitly lists EXACTLY WHICH DATA and FOR WHAT PURPOSE anyone can collect—that applies to the police, so why wouldn't it apply to banks??

wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

That much is obvious. Those people are just low-level drones trying to make a living (especially the ones at the front handling quick transactions). It's clear to me that the actual criminal policies are cooked up by some special squad sitting on various boards of directors.

I would never touch that miserable, degrading job. Working in a coerced position where you have to force through criminal mandates designed by some gang in the bank's executive suite just so you don't "fail performance reviews"... under that kind of stress and the pure fascism banks show toward their frontline workers? No thanks, I'll pass. And I'm talking from experience here—I have plenty of great friends in a few big banks whom I used to work with very closely on a daily basis (especially over at JPMorgan Chase), so I know plenty of those "lovely little secrets"... people describe it while practically on the verge of tears, shaking as they try to talk about how "wonderful" it is to work in that environment... and if you happen to have an absolute jerk for a boss or manager—which is usually the case—it's even better.

wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Sure, we will—once you all start modeling your business practices after those foreign banks and adopting their mentality. Or at least when those banks operating here actually behave the same way they do back in their home countries.

wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Believe it.

Why on earth would I move? I built this country for my own people, not to cater to some arrogant, criminal foreign bankers. If the bank can't handle business or doesn't know how to operate properly within its own home country, then they need to get lost. Period.

You couldn't have possibly come up with a stupider or more arrogant statement if you tried. Honestly, it just proves exactly how much pressure you're under to protect those thugs you work for.

wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

This is crossing the line into that violent, naive, pseudo-intellectual manipulation bullshit. It’s exactly the kind of psycho-analysis crap those banking criminals used to pull when they were intentionally driving people straight into a death trap by pushing those predatory Swiss loans on them. I remember reading about actual bank employees who went on record to the media—people who were visibly shaking because they were terrified themselves. They knew they were being ordered to protect pure crime. They were told, plain and simple, to cheat people, to talk them into absolute garbage, and to bury the truth. They were forced to sell products that could literally ruin someone's life and wipe out everything they worked for, all just to feed the greed of these bottomless, unscrupulous thugs.

Maybe when you start acting with even an ounce of basic decency and fairness, then you can expect us to play along. But let’s get one thing straight: the bank doesn't own my life, no matter how much those thugs love to pretend they do.

Listen, you aren't paying for everything. Honestly, you’re barely paying anything at all when it comes to the bank's day-to-day operations. I still have my UBS card in my wallet, and since my cousin lives over there, believe me when I say he knows way more than you brainwashed folks who think this place is some kind of humanitarian paradise.

wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Don't even try to convince me that the bank is doing us some kind of massive favor by charging us all this junk! As if we aren't already paying enough!

If overdraft fees are illegal, then just scrap them already! The European Union directives practically demand it, but banks are playing deaf on purpose. They’re making a killing off those monthly interest charges on checking accounts—enough to cover every single bank employee's salary and then some. When there's that much cash flying around, who gives a damn about the law? It’s the same old shady playbook these banks have been using here in America forever..

Just shut up and keep swimming, right? Just keep doing whatever you're told as long as the big banks are making a killing. Screw the laws! But the second a bank’s bottom line is even slightly threatened—or if a client dares to push back—suddenly they've got a PhD in legalities. They start lecturing you about regulations, compliance, contracts, and court rulings like they own the damn justice system. It’s always the same story. They'll weaponize every rule in the book against you, but the very millisecond it suits them, they "forget" those same laws exist just so they can squeeze more money out of you through every loophole imaginable. Unbelievable.

I can't believe I'm even seeing this. Honestly, it’s ridiculous.
wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

You seriously think we’re all just a bunch of idiots who haven't stepped foot outside our tiny hometowns? You really think you can just lecture us on how the "big world" works and expect us little guys to sit here with our mouths wide open, swallowing every word you say like mindless sheep? Give me a break.

My buddy decided to stay abroad and make a life for himself. Unlike me, he actually had the sense to grab his US citizenship. He’s been living over there for about 30 years now, and whenever he comes back to visit, we always end up deep in conversation about how different things are—especially when it comes to banking (because let's be honest, everything eventually boils down to money). So, please, don't think some local bank clerk stuck in her ways is going to try and lecture me on how international banks operate or how they actually treat their customers. I’ve got years of firsthand experience, and my buddy keeps me updated on all the latest shifts, even though he isn't some high-rolling VIP client at his bank in Geneva. Still, he knows what's up.

Look, let’s get one thing straight: you people are nothing more than a straight-up criminal extortion racket. You actually sit there with a straight face thinking I exist because of your banks, when the reality is that those banks only exist because of me. It’s pathetic.


wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Just your typical, delusional bank teller spinning fairy tales because she’s too scared to actually call out her own employer. Honestly, this reminds me so much of that late acquaintance of mine, Inge, who used to work at JPMorgan Chase over by the Plaza in NYC. She was peddling the exact same nonsense to me twenty years ago. Some things never change.

Believe me, lady, that kind of treatment isn't just reserved for VIPs over here—in America, that's actually how they treat EVERYONE.

Look, next time, feel free to shut us down by dropping links to interest rates at foreign banks or their actual lending requirements. Seriously. Banks are straight-up mobsters—especially here in the States. They act like they basically invented banking themselves, demanding all this nonsense and made-up bullshit that you wouldn't even dream of seeing in other countries. It's ridiculous.

Why don't the banks here in the States operate like they do in Germany or Italy? I mean, seriously, our currency is way more stable than the Euro! It makes zero sense.

Why the hell is this currency clause still hanging around? It’s illegal, the courts have banned it, yet here we are. When are these banks in America finally going to start actually following the law??


One of the main jobs you Rockefeller lackeys have to do is cleaning up and cataloging everyone else's assets. It’s all about making sure the people who eventually snatch everything away from their clients have organized paperwork and a clear list of what they're seizing. Honestly, look at how much money the European Union dumped into fixing up land registries and property records way before we even joined the club—it's incredibly telling. That’s exactly why banks obsess over every little detail that doesn't even concern them! The new bosses want pristine files ready to go when they decide to liquidate the entire country. Bank executives exist just to serve them; they're on the payroll. And you? You're just the low-level grunt at the branch office doing the dirty work for some billionaire sitting in a penthouse somewhere. This isn't some wild conspiracy theory—it's just how business is done.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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#295 ·
Sarah Ruiz42 said:Oh, really?? That’s a total lie. There isn't some magic law forcing this, and if there is—laws aren't top secret, they're public and free—then why don't you just drop a link to the specific regulation? I’m a stickler for the rules myself, so it’s not like reading them is hard for me... I’m dying to know exactly where the government tells banks they absolutely *must* know a mountain of my private business that has zero to do with them.

The law explicitly lists EXACTLY WHICH DATA and FOR WHAT PURPOSE anyone can collect—that applies to the police, so why wouldn't it apply to banks??

That much is obvious. Those people are just low-level drones trying to make a living (especially the ones at the front handling quick transactions). It's clear to me that the actual criminal policies are cooked up by some special squad sitting on various boards of directors.

I would never touch that miserable, degrading job. Working in a coerced position where you have to force through criminal mandates designed by some gang in the bank's executive suite just so you don't "fail performance reviews"... under that kind of stress and the pure fascism banks show toward their frontline workers? No thanks, I'll pass. And I'm talking from experience here—I have plenty of great friends in a few big banks whom I used to work with very closely on a daily basis (especially over at JPMorgan Chase), so I know plenty of those "lovely little secrets"... people describe it while practically on the verge of tears, shaking as they try to talk about how "wonderful" it is to work in that environment... and if you happen to have an absolute jerk for a boss or manager—which is usually the case—it's even better.

Sure, we will—once you all start modeling your business practices after those foreign banks and adopting their mentality. Or at least when those banks operating here actually behave the same way they do back in their home countries.

Believe it.

Why on earth would I move? I built this country for my own people, not to cater to some arrogant, criminal foreign bankers. If the bank can't handle business or doesn't know how to operate properly within its own home country, then they need to get lost. Period.

You couldn't have possibly come up with a stupider or more arrogant statement if you tried. Honestly, it just proves exactly how much pressure you're under to protect those thugs you work for.

This is crossing the line into that violent, naive, pseudo-intellectual manipulation bullshit. It’s exactly the kind of psycho-analysis crap those banking criminals used to pull when they were intentionally driving people straight into a death trap by pushing those predatory Swiss loans on them. I remember reading about actual bank employees who went on record to the media—people who were visibly shaking because they were terrified themselves. They knew they were being ordered to protect pure crime. They were told, plain and simple, to cheat people, to talk them into absolute garbage, and to bury the truth. They were forced to sell products that could literally ruin someone's life and wipe out everything they worked for, all just to feed the greed of these bottomless, unscrupulous thugs.

Maybe when you start acting with even an ounce of basic decency and fairness, then you can expect us to play along. But let’s get one thing straight: the bank doesn't own my life, no matter how much those thugs love to pretend they do.

Listen, you aren't paying for everything. Honestly, you’re barely paying anything at all when it comes to the bank's day-to-day operations. I still have my UBS card in my wallet, and since my cousin lives over there, believe me when I say he knows way more than you brainwashed folks who think this place is some kind of humanitarian paradise.

Don't even try to convince me that the bank is doing us some kind of massive favor by charging us all this junk! As if we aren't already paying enough!

If overdraft fees are illegal, then just scrap them already! The European Union directives practically demand it, but banks are playing deaf on purpose. They’re making a killing off those monthly interest charges on checking accounts—enough to cover every single bank employee's salary and then some. When there's that much cash flying around, who gives a damn about the law? It’s the same old shady playbook these banks have been using here in America forever..

Just shut up and keep swimming, right? Just keep doing whatever you're told as long as the big banks are making a killing. Screw the laws! But the second a bank’s bottom line is even slightly threatened—or if a client dares to push back—suddenly they've got a PhD in legalities. They start lecturing you about regulations, compliance, contracts, and court rulings like they own the damn justice system. It’s always the same story. They'll weaponize every rule in the book against you, but the very millisecond it suits them, they "forget" those same laws exist just so they can squeeze more money out of you through every loophole imaginable. Unbelievable.

I can't believe I'm even seeing this. Honestly, it’s ridiculous.

You seriously think we’re all just a bunch of idiots who haven't stepped foot outside our tiny hometowns? You really think you can just lecture us on how the "big world" works and expect us little guys to sit here with our mouths wide open, swallowing every word you say like mindless sheep? Give me a break.

My buddy decided to stay abroad and make a life for himself. Unlike me, he actually had the sense to grab his US citizenship. He’s been living over there for about 30 years now, and whenever he comes back to visit, we always end up deep in conversation about how different things are—especially when it comes to banking (because let's be honest, everything eventually boils down to money). So, please, don't think some local bank clerk stuck in her ways is going to try and lecture me on how international banks operate or how they actually treat their customers. I’ve got years of firsthand experience, and my buddy keeps me updated on all the latest shifts, even though he isn't some high-rolling VIP client at his bank in Geneva. Still, he knows what's up.

Look, let’s get one thing straight: you people are nothing more than a straight-up criminal extortion racket. You actually sit there with a straight face thinking I exist because of your banks, when the reality is that those banks only exist because of me. It’s pathetic.

Just your typical, delusional bank teller spinning fairy tales because she’s too scared to actually call out her own employer. Honestly, this reminds me so much of that late acquaintance of mine, Inge, who used to work at JPMorgan Chase over by the Plaza in NYC. She was peddling the exact same nonsense to me twenty years ago. Some things never change.

Believe me, lady, that kind of treatment isn't just reserved for VIPs over here—in America, that's actually how they treat EVERYONE.

Look, next time, feel free to shut us down by dropping links to interest rates at foreign banks or their actual lending requirements. Seriously. Banks are straight-up mobsters—especially here in the States. They act like they basically invented banking themselves, demanding all this nonsense and made-up bullshit that you wouldn't even dream of seeing in other countries. It's ridiculous.

Why don't the banks here in the States operate like they do in Germany or Italy? I mean, seriously, our currency is way more stable than the Euro! It makes zero sense.

Why the hell is this currency clause still hanging around? It’s illegal, the courts have banned it, yet here we are. When are these banks in America finally going to start actually following the law??


One of the main jobs you Rockefeller lackeys have to do is cleaning up and cataloging everyone else's assets. It’s all about making sure the people who eventually snatch everything away from their clients have organized paperwork and a clear list of what they're seizing. Honestly, look at how much money the European Union dumped into fixing up land registries and property records way before we even joined the club—it's incredibly telling. That’s exactly why banks obsess over every little detail that doesn't even concern them! The new bosses want pristine files ready to go when they decide to liquidate the entire country. Bank executives exist just to serve them; they're on the payroll. And you? You're just the low-level grunt at the branch office doing the dirty work for some billionaire sitting in a penthouse somewhere. This isn't some wild conspiracy theory—it's just how business is done.

Here is the law. Honestly, I'm also dying to hear the Hostess tell us exactly which specific things they are required to ask for.

http://www.congress.gov/legislation/anti-terrorism-act

-Joe Biden
George Lewis9 George Lewis9 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#296 ·
wiredlynx28 said:Look, you all need to realize that banks don't just make these rules up because they feel like it—they’re mandated by the government and federal law. If they didn't have to follow these regulations, they wouldn't even be calling you in the first place, whether you trust them or not.
The teller or the banker isn't the villain here; they’re just doing their job, so please keep that in mind—especially those of you suggesting people should go in there and lose their cool.
Just act with some decency. If you have an issue with a staff member, ask for the branch manager or file a formal complaint. There are plenty of ways to handle this, but blowing things out of proportion isn't one of them. Since we’re all so eager to emulate other developed nations, maybe we should start by adopting the civil mindset of their citizens too.

If you’re so unhappy with how banking works in America, feel free to move to another country if you think it'll be better. Spoilers: it won't.
Interest rates are often multiples higher elsewhere, and don't even get me started on the fees. You pay for absolutely everything over there, whereas America is still practically a novice compared to foreign institutions.
Think about mortgage structures, or the fact that overdraft protection is a concept most European banks haven't even heard of.
Go ahead and check the official websites of international banks to compare their fees and terms against American banks—or better yet, experience it firsthand.

I have to address what someone said regarding the relationship between banks and clients in Switzerland being top-tier—offering coffee, letting clients do whatever they want. That level of service exists right here in America and abroad too, but only for VIP clients. 😉

Lies. I have an account with Bank of America. The only thing I actually pay for is my Mastercard—it's the only card I carry, a debit card that happens to be embossed for those times when you can't find a POS terminal, like in a taxi or something. It costs me about $2 a year. I could have gone with Maestra, which is free, but it isn't embossed and doesn't always work well for online shopping.

There's no such thing as "account maintenance fees." Withdrawing cash from any ATM in Sweden or other European Union countries using the Euro is free.

Transferring money to another bank within the EU? Free.

Online banking? Free.

Paying bills through online banking? Free.

Mortgage interest rates (in local currency, obviously—currency clauses aren't really a thing here)—between 1.58% and 1.92%. Sure, savings interest is practically non-existent at 0.05%.

That’s the reality of fees and interest abroad.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#297 ·
Take a look at this specific addition in the STIB document, for instance -

"Appendix 2 – Consent for Processing Personal Data from Due Diligence Questionnaires for Individual Clients for Marketing Purposes

By signing this appendix, I grant consent to the Bank and all other members of the _______ Group (insert group name) to which the Bank belongs within the United States, to process my personal data for marketing purposes.
Consent for the processing of personal data for marketing purposes may be revoked in the following manner: ________ (specify method, e.g., in writing or via telephone, etc.). Members of the _______ Group to which the Bank belongs can be verified at www.__________ and/or are available upon request at any Bank branch.
"

It’s honestly exactly what I was talking about—that way they can just sneak in whatever pops into their heads while you're busy signing things.
Legally speaking, without this consent, under Article 77 (which defines how data is used), they are only allowed to use it strictly for purposes like uncovering terrorism financing and money laundering. Sadly, I can't just copy-paste directly from the federal government website here.

But if you go ahead and sign that appendix...

And I mean, I really just skimmed through it just to find a super obvious example.
Journalists should probably dig into this stuff.
They need to look at what is actually being requested versus what the law says they are permitted to ask for, and all that kind of thing.

-Joe Biden
Sarah Ruiz42 Sarah Ruiz42 Active Member
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joined Jan 2007
#298 ·
briskjackal5 said:

Here is the law. Honestly, I'm also dying to hear the Hostess tell us exactly which specific things they are required to ask for.

http://www.congress.gov/legislation/anti-terrorism-act

-Joe Biden
Here is the law. Honestly, I'm also dying to hear the Hostess tell us exactly which specific things they are required to ask for.

http://www.congress.gov/legislation/anti-terrorism-act

-Joe Biden
They just have to cook up excuses to cover for their own arrogance and total disregard for the rules.

International banks aren't idiots; they don't need a mountain of paperwork to run a business—and damn it, everything works perfectly for them, and they end up richer than our local tax collectors combined!! But here? Our people can't even manage basic client relations with 103 different data points.

It's constant bullshit. They lie, they cheat, and they exploit every single loophole this country provides.

George Lewis9 said:Lies. I have an account with Bank of America. The only thing I actually pay for is my Mastercard—it's the only card I carry, a debit card that happens to be embossed for those times when you can't find a POS terminal, like in a taxi or something. It costs me about $2 a year. I could have gone with Maestra, which is free, but it isn't embossed and doesn't always work well for online shopping.

There's no such thing as "account maintenance fees." Withdrawing cash from any ATM in Sweden or other European Union countries using the Euro is free.

Transferring money to another bank within the EU? Free.

Online banking? Free.

Paying bills through online banking? Free.

Mortgage interest rates (in local currency, obviously—currency clauses aren't really a thing here)—between 1.58% and 1.92%. Sure, savings interest is practically non-existent at 0.05%.

That’s the reality of fees and interest abroad.

Yeah, I know all that. I'm just waiting for the Hostess to enlighten us on how those "clueless" foreigners clearly don't understand banking, since we're supposedly the geniuses who invented it all...

My UBS card still works and my account is still open, even though I barely touch it—I only move tiny amounts just so they don't close it for inactivity. I haven't paid a single cent to keep that account open in over 20 years.

Meanwhile, back home, I'd probably be paying thousands of dollars in stupid packages and service fees even if there wasn't a single cent of activity in the account...
vividranger8 vividranger8 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2011
#299 ·
briskjackal5 said:Well, if that's the case, why don't you just list out exactly which pieces of data the law is forcing them to ask for?

I mean, if it’s actually mandated by law, then there has to be a specific list of what they can request, right? You should definitely be able to see that somewhere. There’s gotta be an official document that says, "okay, they can ask for X, Y, and Z," and it can't just go on forever.

Because right now, it feels like one person is asking about this and someone else is worried about that, so it's all a bit confusing, I guess.

The law doesn't just say, "hey, feel free to ask whatever comes to mind." It's supposed to be precisely defined.
And if you're going to keep insisting, "we have to, because the law says so," then maybe just tell us exactly what the law says? That way we'll actually know if the law is the issue here or not, based on what's actually written down.

-briskjackal5

Because she honestly doesn't have a clue—or maybe she just doesn't want to admit that it's super obvious banks grab way more info than they're legally supposed to. I mean, I actually asked her about this exact thing once and she just totally dodged the question.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#300 ·
I don't really have anything against banks themselves, even our local ones here in the States. To me, they’re just a service, you know? And like any service, you've gotta watch them like a hawk—point by point. Like, okay, you can do this, but you can't do that. This part is fine, but that part is definitely not.

At the end of the day, I mean, there's nothing stopping Americans from pooling their own capital together to start their own domestic bank. They could set up their own business procedures and run things exactly how they see fit, right? And then, eventually, they could take all those customers away from the big foreign banks.
I think that would be a much more constructive way to handle the whole situation.

But, on the flip side, what I really, really care about is having clear and fair rules of the game. Let's just sit down, agree on the terms, and then we'll stick to them, simple as that.
Basically, I just can't stand it when people try to pull a fast one on me—you know, those attempts to get you to sign something "on the side," or someone telling you how something "has" to be done while they're actually trying to mislead you. That kind of stuff really bugs me.

-briskjackal5

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