Are some people just born with a natural edge, or is it something more?

Keith Miller30 said:True, but I think you might be looking at this a bit too superficially. You argue that life proves this point, but is that entirely accurate when we consider someone like Perelman versus a child in a developing nation who doesn't even have a loaf of bread? You see, Perelman had the luxury of dedicating his entire existence to refining his innate talents, whereas a child in a remote part of Africa doesn't have that privilege; their priority is simple survival rather than solving Poincaré's conjectures. Because people aren't starting from the exact same circumstances, can we really say certain individuals are simply "chosen"? It’s more that some, like Perelman, possessed both high intelligence and an intense, almost antisocial focus on their work from a very young age. If I may ask, were you truly able to maintain that level of singular focus, or were you constantly being pulled away by external distractions that drained your energy, your time, and your concentration? Who is to say you wouldn't have achieved greatness yourself if you had been able to commit one hundred percent?

So, we have to account for personality traits, life circumstances, and environmental influences... and that is only a small fraction of the whole story. My view is that a vast number of people possess that initial spark within them that could allow them to rise above the surface, but the tragedy is that they are often held back by the various struggles life throws their way.

I totally agree—there are so many factors that determine whether someone becomes successful or famous! Absolutely!

But neither you, nor me, nor anyone else CAN succeed—regardless of hard work or circumstances—if they simply DON'T HAVE the talent for it.

And talent? You're born with it. You either "get" it or you don't.

So, what's the actual CAUSE behind why one person is born with a specific talent while another isn't?

Who's calling the shots there? 🤔

Michael Gonzalez77 said:When we talk about significant spiritual figures—those individuals destined to make a massive contribution to collective growth and push human consciousness forward—they tend to operate under a sense of inner guidance. They usually "wake up" when necessity calls, often triggered by a profound mystical experience that sets them in motion. It isn't just about the external circumstances surrounding them; rather, they seem to manifest in environments that naturally align with their internal trajectory. These aren't just "geniuses" in the conventional, worldly sense. Instead, they carry a latent, spiritual perfection that eventually surfaces, much like budo.

Spot on.

We can't all be budo.

Sure, we can aim for it—but actually getting there in this lifetime? That's a massive uphill battle.

Some people are just "chosen" to play a role that nobody else can fill.

It's the exact same thing with absolute legends like Mozart. The kid was composing stuff at a few years old that most lifelong professionals couldn't dream of touching! It's clearly a matter of raw talent. Absolutely! 👍

steelmarlin19 said:I totally agree—there are so many factors that determine whether someone becomes successful or famous! Absolutely!

But neither you, nor me, nor anyone else CAN succeed—regardless of hard work or circumstances—if they simply DON'T HAVE the talent for it.

And talent? You're born with it. You either "get" it or you don't.

So, what's the actual CAUSE behind why one person is born with a specific talent while another isn't?

Who's calling the shots there? 🤔

What I am saying is that I believe everyone—or at least most people, if we set aside those who were unfortunately born with certain neurological disorders or similar conditions—starts with a baseline potential that we all have to cultivate. Sure, for someone like Mozart, that starting point was much more advanced than yours might be, but who can say for certain that you wouldn't achieve more in that field despite a lack of natural musicality? There is no guarantee that you couldn't surpass him; there is only the assumption, and an assumption alone isn't enough for me. We are shaped from our earliest days, where every single event, every closed door, and every wrong turn contributes to our development and leads us toward our eventual path.

Well, at least that is my perspective on the matter. While this logic might not apply to raw athletic talent like football or basketball, in this particular context, I feel I am right.

Keith Miller30 said:What I am saying is that I believe everyone—or at least most people, if we set aside those who were unfortunately born with certain neurological disorders or similar conditions—starts with a baseline potential that we all have to cultivate. Sure, for someone like Mozart, that starting point was much more advanced than yours might be, but who can say for certain that you wouldn't achieve more in that field despite a lack of natural musicality? There is no guarantee that you couldn't surpass him; there is only the assumption, and an assumption alone isn't enough for me. We are shaped from our earliest days, where every single event, every closed door, and every wrong turn contributes to our development and leads us toward our eventual path.

Well, at least that is my perspective on the matter. While this logic might not apply to raw athletic talent like football or basketball, in this particular context, I feel I am right.

Honestly, I doubt any of us living could ever truly "surpass" Mozart, no matter how much music we play.

It’s just something that—let's just say—goes beyond our physical world.

It comes from a "higher dimension," where the "divine" manifests itself here in our material reality.

That’s why it’s granted "only to a few"—those who act as "ambassadors" for that divine wisdom and beauty in this world. Mozart is one of them. I'm absolutely convinced of it. Totally! ☕

It’s starting. Asks:
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Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Michael Gonzalez77 said:That’s clear enough, but it doesn't do a single thing to address anyone else's problems.

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Success is usually just whatever happens to be trendy at the moment. It’s about what looks desirable right now, which doesn't mean it's actually useful or even true. On a personal level, it really just comes down to your own psychological foundation—whether the work you're doing actually matters to the world, or if it's just an illusion, which, let's face it, is how most people play it.

From where I'm sitting, this just looks like your specific perspective—driven by those particular motives you mentioned earlier—that led you to jump into this thread.

It sounds like you either knew him personally, which would explain why you're so certain, or you’re an expert in his field calling him out for being unstable—if we're being polite about it—or just plain eccentric.

The "otherworldly" side of things is just a fundamental part of human consciousness—it’s what happens when we hit the ceiling of our own intellect and realize how limited our reasoning actually is. And let's be clear: Tesla didn't just dream this up out of thin air.

It’s not just about spinning your wheels in place—that’s exactly why we’re even having this conversation. You can't get there through sheer willpower alone. Real breakthroughs happen when consciousness transcends that mental "cage." Think about all those massive scientific leaps made before we even had the tools to measure them. Those weren't products of trial and error or brute-force logic; they were moments of pure, intuitive insight. It’s like a meditative state where the brain finally stops grinding away at the noise, allowing information to flow directly into your awareness. It’s an internal vision, almost spatial, triggered by whatever you're deeply focused on.

Here’s the thing: we don't actually "invent" the principles of nature inside our heads. Those laws aren't just figments of our imagination; they are the active forces driving everything we see in reality. Our brains aren't capable of pure fantasy. Think of the brain not as a creative engine, but as an operational hub for thought within consciousness. It acts as a central station for processing conclusions and storing memory, but the brain itself isn't doing the thinking. Instead, it's consciousness that does the heavy lifting, taking in inputs not just through our five senses, but through deeper layers of the nervous system that operate far beneath our conscious awareness.

Because of how my nervous system is wired, I’ve been having precognitive dreams for years. My intuition isn't some mystical superpower; it’s actually just a byproduct of how I live. For the last 20 years, I’ve made it my life's work to stay balanced. I’m living proof that if you actually put in the effort, you can achieve incredible mental and physical health, total stability, and a perfectly tuned nervous system. Because I’ve cultivated that harmony, my brain is sensitive enough to pick up on subtle impulses that most people completely miss. I become aware of things happening around me that aren't tied to my five senses or whatever task is currently occupying my conscious mind.

Most people miss out on their full potential, even though they have everything it takes to reach it. It’s a shame, really. The reason is simple: they're too distracted by the noise of life. They scatter their mental and physical energy trying to chase every passing whim and unfulfilled desire. But the biggest drain is how people handle psychological hurdles—what most call "problems." Instead of facing them, people try to run away from these emotional states. This avoidance just fuels more negative thoughts and toxic mental loops, which only deepens the struggle. It becomes a vicious cycle where avoiding the issue actually creates more real-world consequences, eventually leading to chronic health issues down the road. It’s like trying to fix a leak by covering the floor with towels instead of just tightening the valve.

For enlightened people, this carries a lot more weight. But when you deal with those rare, brilliant minds who have reached that level? You start seeing actual "miracles"—not in some mystical sense, but in the way they simply perceive and process reality itself.

Exactly. We don't actually interact with nature itself; we just deal with our own mental constructs of it. It’s the same issue when we fall into the trap of thinking our personal experience is the only ultimate truth. That whole cycle of a deterministic mind—believing something is impossible simply because we can't conceive of it—is a fiction. And honestly, that kind of mental rigidity is exactly what trips people up and keeps them from functioning properly.

If I claim to have certain abilities that almost nobody in my immediate circle possesses, people usually jump to one of four conclusions: I’m crazy, I’m abnormal, I’m making it up, or I’m delusional. But honestly? That kind of logic is just a mental trap—a fiction built on over-relying on theoretical determinism. At the end of the day, it isn't really about whether you believe me or not; there's no real point in arguing over belief. It all comes down to a simple assumption: deciding whether something is actually possible or if it's fundamentally impossible.

Look, I know this works because I’ve lived it. Meanwhile, someone else isn't just guessing—they're flat-out claiming it's impossible based on a total misconception. I'm not sure if you follow my logic here, but it's essentially a mental loop in that direction.

Insights regarding the fundamental principles of existence are much more likely to be found in spiritual literature than in science. In the classic sense of the conventional materialist paradigm, science doesn't just fail to provide answers—it often offers incredibly narrow insights limited strictly by its own methodology and subject matter (matter itself). When science does offer hypotheses, they are merely tailored to that restricted scope, which practically leads people straight into error. If you're actually interested in this, I can point you toward some resources.

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

hollowpuma762 said:If they’re a byproduct of thinking, then they aren't just "happening" on their own.

They don't just pop out of thin air. What's actually happening is that consciousness acts as a sort of passive receiver, tuned up to gather them, allowing the shape of the idea to reflect itself within the mind of the thinker.

The brain is just a tool.

For the "thinker" (the one actually wielding the tool), you need:

- A foundation (raw talent, innate stuff)
- The grind of optimizing that talent and sharpening mental tools
- Mastery over mental processes
- A specific state of consciousness that allows an idea to reflect onto the rational level

This can happen under any circumstances—whether you're actively working at it or just drifting through some mindless, repetitive task. The triggers are all over the place.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.

steelmarlin19 said:The thing is, you can overthink something forever and still come up totally empty-handed.

Tesla actually believed that all ideas already exist out there—that we aren't inventing them, we're just uncovering things that were discovered long ago.

If that’s true, then there has to be a reason WHY certain people just "get" these ideas (the ones we call geniuses) while everyone else is left in the dark. It makes perfect sense! ☕

Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:Beyond his specific contributions—which fall under the umbrella of brilliant imagination since Einstein wasn't an enlightened being—there are people who represent the very essence of human evolution. These individuals provide spiritual guidance that touches the soul on an almost incomprehensible level (think along the lines of Nikola Tesla and others). They act as perfect instruments for higher forces; their imagination doesn't spring from the limitations of the human mind, no matter how genius it may be, but rather from the Unknown—the creative principle of nature itself. True Masters operate from this plane, working through the unseen to influence the expansion of human consciousness. In contrast, society usually spends its energy celebrating those who simply become famous or popular due to their limited impact on the material world.

An Einsteinian reflection toward the end of his life:
"You might imagine that I can look back at my life's work with quiet satisfaction, but looking closer, it feels entirely different. There isn't a single concept in my work that I am certain will remain standing in the future, and I feel completely uncertain, wondering if I was even on the right path..." This was from a letter Albert Einstein wrote to his friend Unknown in 1949; he also asked: "Why is it that nobody understands me, yet everyone loves me?"

Do you really think I need the Super-mind—or just a limited human mind—to grasp your position?

rustymaker3 said:Do you really think I need the Super-mind—or just a limited human mind—to grasp your position?

There isn't much more to debate here, but hey, thanks for being blunt. When I talk about the Super-mind, I’m referring to that "higher intelligence"—essentially God, though that word alone doesn't capture all the complexities involved. Our limited minds are just small pieces of that Universal Mind, and our semi-intelligence is a fragment of that greater cosmic intelligence. This Universal Mind acts as the creator of all living things; you could call it spiritual energy if that makes more sense to you.

To put it simply, the wisdom found in enlightened people comes from tapping into those spiritual energies. They might not even realize they're doing it—just like a person stays alive because of vital life forces without ever having to consciously think about how it works.

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
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Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

Yeah. Exactly.
Two, three, four... it’s just a sequence. A pattern. Nothing more.

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
Quote:
Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

Fair enough. Makes sense.

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
Quote:
Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

The first part makes sense to me—it’s all about where that spark comes from. Honestly, everyone's triggers are different, though. It's all over the place.

Look, when it comes to how focus actually works—I mean really works—it’s not just about staring at one tiny little thing. The human mind, even when you're just sitting there in your apartment, doesn't just lock onto a single point like some laser. It's more complex than that. You pick a field, a general area of interest, and then your brain starts grabbing all the related factors and surrounding elements within that space. It's an entire cluster of things, not just one isolated piece.

That graph you pointed out? It’s a classic example of discovering warm water—you know, that typical Western mindset where we act like we've stumbled onto some groundbreaking revelation. The data points on there are really just different slices of basic, everyday human existence. You can bet your life that if they actually tried to be thorough, the graph would also have to include things like cooking dinner, brushing your teeth, taking a dump, waiting in line at CVS, or picking your nose. It’s all just the same mundane stuff.

Look, the graph is just pointing out the obvious: ideas can "show up"—you know, like they're being reflected by some active, receptive Universal Mind—at pretty much any random moment. Physical action is stuck right here in reality, but thoughts? Thoughts can be anywhere. Honestly, why even bother with a specific survey? It feels totally redundant.

If we had only been looking at truck drivers, most of that idea-generation chart would just be one giant slice labeled "driving a rig." And you know exactly how it would go down. Some local "expert" would pop up on a late-night talk show, acting all enthusiastic, theorizing that gripping a massive steering wheel somehow jumpstarts brain circulation—all while conveniently pitching some fancy new tablet to the audience as the ultimate tool for boosting creativity.

Honestly? My advice is to stop taking most Western polls seriously. Seriously. Just don't.
Aside from the stuff they spoon-feed you through the mainstream media just to keep the masses under control...

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
Quote:
Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

It doesn't matter to you who wrote what because you're already stuck in your own biases. If you don't grasp something I'm saying—and I'm being completely sincere and open here—all you have to do is ask. Since it seems like you're missing most of my point, it’s no surprise you call it "fog." That’s just how it works. I’m more than willing to break down any part of what I've written to make it clearer for you, if you actually want to understand.

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
Quote:
Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

Tesla was right when he said everything he invented wasn't actually HIS. So if it isn't his, whose is it?

Well, as the guy who actually built them, he's probably the best person to explain how he stumbled upon those ideas in the first place.

Unless you were standing right there holding a flashlight for him—giving you a front-row seat to his genius—then you wouldn't know! In that case, sure, you might be right. Totally! 🍿

redbear2 said:

It’s starting. Asks:
Quote:
Look at Stephen Hawking. He’s the living proof of what raw, pure talent in physics actually looks like.
Then probability stepped in and ruined everything. It was like God rolled the dice ten times in a row and they all came up wrong.
When it came to raw intellectual horsepower, Hawking was basically rolling nothing but fives and sixes on the dice.
When it came to his health, he was basically looking at a solid number one or two on the scale. No real issues there. 😲

And what exactly does that prove?

Sorry, there's just too much aimless noise here for me to bother responding. No offense intended, but if you can't stick to the point instead of constantly turning everything into a sermon and wandering off into the fog, I don't see much point in debating you.

If I recall correctly, I already posted this. Self-explanatory. "Quotes."

It’s also possible that those big, innovative breakthroughs don't actually come from staring intensely at a problem. Sometimes, you just end up thinking about two completely unrelated things, and your subconscious finds a way to bridge the gap between them—even if you weren't trying to connect the dots consciously.

That’s exactly why I put them in quotes. They don't just spontaneously manifest out of thin air. My point is that they rarely stem from some intense, conscious grind or hyper-focusing on a single problem. Instead, they hit you like those sudden "lightbulb" moments—seemingly appearing from absolutely nowhere.

The brain is just a tool. Nothing more, nothing less.

Thinkers need:

The foundation—that raw, innate talent you're born with.
It’s all about that grind—really digging into talent optimization and sharpening those mental tools.
Mastering your own mental processes.
A generated state of consciousness is basically just an idea waiting to be chewed on by a rational mind.

Alright.

It happens under any circumstances—whether through intentional effort or just during other automated, mindless tasks. The triggers vary.

I never claimed you can't find innovative ideas by focusing on problem-solving. I’m just saying the brain often hits those solutions precisely when it *isn't* focused. It’s because the focus isn't there that you can actually bridge the gap between seemingly unrelated things. Focus implies looking in one direction, in a straight line.



Well, Tesla was right: everything we discover must already exist. You’re just misinterpreting him; try taking his words a bit more literally and rationally. To find a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean, the ship has to actually be down there. Your belief in its existence doesn't change anything. What Tesla meant is that prior to any discovery, the possibility of that discovery always existed.

The thing is, his insights didn't come from a limited human mind that BELIEVES the universe is 13.7 billion years old because of the Big Bang. Instead, he pulled his patents from his "mental laboratory." He would perfect everything "there" first, and once they worked perfectly in his mind, he’d simply say, "Hey, build this exactly like this," and his assistant would construct the asynchronous motor and everything else, which worked flawlessly on the first try.

"If science spends just 10 years focusing on non-physical (spiritual, paranormal) phenomena, it will advance more than it has in its entire century of existence." ~ N. T.

There's a reason people try to pass this off as something "classical" or ordinary—how else are they supposed to clear away such a massive cloud of confusion? 🤔

Michael Gonzalez77 said:There isn't much more to debate here, but hey, thanks for being blunt. When I talk about the Super-mind, I’m referring to that "higher intelligence"—essentially God, though that word alone doesn't capture all the complexities involved. Our limited minds are just small pieces of that Universal Mind, and our semi-intelligence is a fragment of that greater cosmic intelligence. This Universal Mind acts as the creator of all living things; you could call it spiritual energy if that makes more sense to you.

To put it simply, the wisdom found in enlightened people comes from tapping into those spiritual energies. They might not even realize they're doing it—just like a person stays alive because of vital life forces without ever having to consciously think about how it works.

When you talk about our limited minds and semi-intelligence—mine, yours, everyone's—whose specific perspective are you actually referring to?
Where can one go to encounter the Universal Mind?...

rustymaker3 said:When you talk about our limited minds and semi-intelligence—mine, yours, everyone's—whose specific perspective are you actually referring to?
Where can one go to encounter the Universal Mind?...

I never assumed you thought humans possessed an unlimited mind. 🙂

Think of "semi-intelligence" as being measured against the sheer intelligence of spiritual energies. Calling it semi-intelligent almost feels like an understatement, but there's still some level of intelligence there.

You "meet" it through spiritual growth—basically, through the hard work and persistence of bringing your own energy into harmony.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:I never assumed you thought humans possessed an unlimited mind. 🙂

Think of "semi-intelligence" as being measured against the sheer intelligence of spiritual energies. Calling it semi-intelligent almost feels like an understatement, but there's still some level of intelligence there.

You "meet" it through spiritual growth—basically, through the hard work and persistence of bringing your own energy into harmony.

The human mind truly is limitless.

rustymaker3 said:The human mind truly is limitless.

Sure, which is exactly why we choose to live trapped inside these self-imposed, narrow little fictions we call "reality." We’re essentially slaves to our own illusions. But hey, at least we have one kind of freedom left: the freedom to limit ourselves and drag everyone else down with us.

😵

Michael Gonzalez77 said:The thing is, his insights didn't come from a limited human mind that BELIEVES the universe is 13.7 billion years old because of the Big Bang. Instead, he pulled his patents from his "mental laboratory." He would perfect everything "there" first, and once they worked perfectly in his mind, he’d simply say, "Hey, build this exactly like this," and his assistant would construct the asynchronous motor and everything else, which worked flawlessly on the first try.

"If science spends just 10 years focusing on non-physical (spiritual, paranormal) phenomena, it will advance more than it has in its entire century of existence." ~ N. T.

There's a reason people try to pass this off as something "classical" or ordinary—how else are they supposed to clear away such a massive cloud of confusion? 🤔

That message from Nikola Tesla is pretty much a wake-up call for all the materialists out there!

The man was arguably the greatest inventor ever—and he didn't even brag about himself! Instead, he basically "honored" the higher power that allowed him to achieve greatness.

But hey, obviously not everyone is going to get that—that's just life. Cheers, 👍

Sometimes you just need a bit of luck on your side... I know people with incredible voices who never made it as singers because the timing was never right, while someone like Avril Lavigne makes a fortune. It’s the same with science or innovation. Success in any field really comes down to that mix of hard work and pure chance...
Since we're talking about Tesla, he was someone who dedicated his entire existence solely to science. It makes you wonder how much one would sacrifice—family, fun, luxury, or social life—just to move humanity forward? He had an extraordinary intellect and knew exactly how to channel all that energy into his work without letting it scatter. While Tesla was a genius, Einstein was born at just the right moment, and his success was heavily influenced by Mileva Marić, who lived constantly in his shadow back then, given how limited opportunities were for women in science. They met when he was 17 and she was 21. I've read several articles suggesting he might not have been nearly as successful without her help with his ideas and research... Then you look at guys like Gates or Zuckerberg, who essentially took existing ideas and turned them into empires, yet they're hailed as geniuses. It's all so relative...

Robert Jones4 said:Sometimes you just need a bit of luck on your side... I know people with incredible voices who never made it as singers because the timing was never right, while someone like Avril Lavigne makes a fortune. It’s the same with science or innovation. Success in any field really comes down to that mix of hard work and pure chance...
Since we're talking about Tesla, he was someone who dedicated his entire existence solely to science. It makes you wonder how much one would sacrifice—family, fun, luxury, or social life—just to move humanity forward? He had an extraordinary intellect and knew exactly how to channel all that energy into his work without letting it scatter. While Tesla was a genius, Einstein was born at just the right moment, and his success was heavily influenced by Mileva Marić, who lived constantly in his shadow back then, given how limited opportunities were for women in science. They met when he was 17 and she was 21. I've read several articles suggesting he might not have been nearly as successful without her help with his ideas and research... Then you look at guys like Gates or Zuckerberg, who essentially took existing ideas and turned them into empires, yet they're hailed as geniuses. It's all so relative...

I'm pretty much on board with everything you wrote.

Circumstances can be a total GAME CHANGER for success or failure sometimes.

But if you just don't have the TALENT—which is something you're born with—then even the best circumstances in the world won't help you achieve greatness. That's just my take! Cheers ☕

hollowpuma762 said:Yeah. Exactly.
Two, three, four... it’s just a sequence. A pattern. Nothing more.

Fair enough. Makes sense.

The first part makes sense to me—it’s all about where that spark comes from. Honestly, everyone's triggers are different, though. It's all over the place.

Look, when it comes to how focus actually works—I mean really works—it’s not just about staring at one tiny little thing. The human mind, even when you're just sitting there in your apartment, doesn't just lock onto a single point like some laser. It's more complex than that. You pick a field, a general area of interest, and then your brain starts grabbing all the related factors and surrounding elements within that space. It's an entire cluster of things, not just one isolated piece.

That graph you pointed out? It’s a classic example of discovering warm water—you know, that typical Western mindset where we act like we've stumbled onto some groundbreaking revelation. The data points on there are really just different slices of basic, everyday human existence. You can bet your life that if they actually tried to be thorough, the graph would also have to include things like cooking dinner, brushing your teeth, taking a dump, waiting in line at CVS, or picking your nose. It’s all just the same mundane stuff.

Look, the graph is just pointing out the obvious: ideas can "show up"—you know, like they're being reflected by some active, receptive Universal Mind—at pretty much any random moment. Physical action is stuck right here in reality, but thoughts? Thoughts can be anywhere. Honestly, why even bother with a specific survey? It feels totally redundant.

If we had only been looking at truck drivers, most of that idea-generation chart would just be one giant slice labeled "driving a rig." And you know exactly how it would go down. Some local "expert" would pop up on a late-night talk show, acting all enthusiastic, theorizing that gripping a massive steering wheel somehow jumpstarts brain circulation—all while conveniently pitching some fancy new tablet to the audience as the ultimate tool for boosting creativity.

Honestly? My advice is to stop taking most Western polls seriously. Seriously. Just don't.
Aside from the stuff they spoon-feed you through the mainstream media just to keep the masses under control...

Oh, for sure. I meant to mention that I don't take it too seriously; I see it more as a general indicator of what I'm talking about.

I agree with the rest of your points. The whole point here was to clarify how ideas just "happen," rather than linking them to some magical transmitter beaming information directly into our brains.

redbear2 said:Oh, for sure. I meant to mention that I don't take it too seriously; I see it more as a general indicator of what I'm talking about.

I agree with the rest of your points. The whole point here was to clarify how ideas just "happen," rather than linking them to some magical transmitter beaming information directly into our brains.

Think of the human aura as an antenna. It picks up an incredible amount of energetic waves from all corners of the cosmos. Ideas don't just pop out of thin air; instead, certain rare individuals act as true enlighteners of human consciousness. They aren't like everyone else preoccupied with their own small, private lives. Rather, they tap into spiritual energies to meet humanity's collective spiritual needs, building the very foundation for how we perceive reality.

It isn't about "broadcasting into a brain," but about the profound spiritual evolution of individuals on a level most people can't even fathom.

Most fundamental concepts in Western thought haven't moved much since the days of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Those great minds established the core tenets of how we think today—principles that modern society still struggles to fully realize. People like that are rare, and I'm not talking about theoretical physicists dreaming about deep space. On the other hand, you have the principles established by Buddhism and the Buddha in the East; those truths remain unsurpassed to this day.

When these principles are actually applied to a person's life, true spiritual growth happens. This opens the door for that person to help others, support their community, and even contribute globally to overcoming ignorance.

Human consciousness has always been bolstered by spiritual energies. In a sense, they are a natural extension of consciousness itself.