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Does America need a revival of the Resistance movement spirit?

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rustypilot71 rustypilot71 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić
Dana Patel7 Dana Patel7 Member
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#2 ·
Big Mark missed the mark by at least 40 or 60 years... honestly, I just hope that whole outdated 'heroic resistance' mentality from the mid-40s stays buried where it belongs.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#3 ·
We need some serious vetting. Every single day, we’re seeing more and more of the fallout from failing to do this properly. It's time to figure out what kind of "spirit" is actually driving things here, because it's pretty obvious:

it isn't about minority rights, and it certainly isn't about dragging Boeing through the mud or attacking religious institutions.

🙄

...because that ugly mindset is peeking out from every corner. And while we're at it, regarding Boeing—we need an immediate investigation into those roughly 28,000 veteran pensions. We need to know exactly who is receiving them and what kind of people we're actually talking about if those funds are going to them. This needs to happen now.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#4 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:You’ve totally got him on your list,
just one more of those 265 newly minted, ultra-wealthy Americans
—except they aren't partisans.😁

Hold on a second—have you actually looked into who these people are or who their fathers were?😁

Because that’s exactly how the old regime handled their 'class enemies,' seizing homes, fine art, gold, and... well, using other more permanent methods too.
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#5 ·
rapidbear65 said:we crushed it back in '95. Now we're just cleaning up the leftovers, thank God...


you didn't actually destroy the villain!
the real villain is just hiding,
deep inside someone as incredible as you.😁
rapidbear65 rapidbear65 Active Member
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joined May 2016
#6 ·
We really need to bring that old-school American spirit back to the early nineties
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#7 ·
That whole partisan spirit belongs in the history books. WWII ended ages ago, for crying out loud.
Anti-fascism is a different matter entirely; we operate under the principles of the Atlantic Charter, which reaffirms the "anti-fascist democratic foundations and commitment of the United States." 🤷
Raymond Bailey Raymond Bailey Member
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joined Jul 2014
#8 ·
rapidbear65 said:Everyone's talking nonsense about honesty. When you ignore intellectual authority, you're just leaving things up to idiots and thugs who rely on nothing but an iron fist...

Look, if you're dealing with someone smart, you play it smart. But when you're stuck with a moron? You have to speak their language—otherwise, you aren't getting through. ☕ It’s a universal truth, pretty much everywhere in the world. That old system wasn't perfect by any stretch, but honestly, our current setup still has plenty of things to learn from how they used to do it back then.
Susan Price30 Susan Price30 Regular
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joined Feb 2017
#9 ·
America needs to reclaim the same spirit that built the AFL-CIO

Who actually buys into those loser stories?

Well, losers, I guess that's who.😁 (And some nagging old lady, which is probably whoever wrote that quote—just a bitter soul.)

Everyone else knows the past belongs in the past. We move forward, we progress, we don't drive in reverse...
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#10 ·
Susan Price30 said:
America needs to reclaim the same spirit that built the AFL-CIO

Who actually buys into those loser stories?

Well, losers, I guess that's who.😁 (And some nagging old lady, which is probably whoever wrote that quote—just a bitter soul.)

Everyone else knows the past belongs in the past. We move forward, we progress, we don't drive in reverse...

America needs a thorough purging of all those relics from the old regime and their little protégés, much like we need to cleanse the national psyche of any lingering traces of communism or any flavor of totalitarianism—be it far-right or far-left—because quite frankly, they belong in history books, not our present. I have absolutely no interest in listening to recycled, tired political tropes. I refuse to squander what remains of my youth and life on such trivial nonsense. Once that's settled, we really ought to overhaul how people are selected for roles within political parties and major corporations; it's about changing the entire mindset. We shouldn't just sit around waiting for some messianic Great Leader to guide us toward a brighter future. 🙄

Alternatively, one could simply ask the U.S. Embassy to install a memorial for the victims of all forms of totalitarianism right there on embassy grounds (it’s actually something the American Ambassador Musomeli did over in Canada, just to watch the local hardliners lose their minds—he essentially outmaneuvered them by placing the monument on sovereign embassy territory, leaving them with nothing to do but simmer in their own frustration)😁).
Sandra White9 Sandra White9 Member
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#11 ·
Susan Price30 said:
America needs to reclaim the same spirit that built the AFL-CIO

Who actually buys into those loser stories?

Well, losers, I guess that's who.😁 (And some nagging old lady, which is probably whoever wrote that quote—just a bitter soul.)

Everyone else knows the past belongs in the past. We move forward, we progress, we don't drive in reverse...

Hmm....🤷
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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joined Sep 2010
#12 ·
=Grazia;49587247

Everyone else seems to think the past should just stay buried in the rearview mirror. They say we need to look ahead, move forward, and stop obsessing over what happened decades ago...

But I don't see it that way at all. We shouldn't let that history rest in peace—not when it clearly hasn't found any peace yet. We need to drag it all out into the light of day so we can take a hard, honest look at what actually went down. We need to identify the culprits, figure out how many were involved, and pinpoint exactly who was working to tear the fabric of this nation apart versus those who stood up for what was right. You can't just sweep the villains under the rug. I refuse to look past it. It’s not just me feeling this way; others feel it too, even if they aren't speaking up.
quietcyclist83 quietcyclist83 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Everything we’re dealing with today is just the fallout from that old-school, radical communist madness. It was all driven by one guy who tried to force his twisted vision onto a country that never actually wanted him—a country his own people fought tooth and nail against more than once. And wouldn't you know it? Those opportunists jumped at the first chance to tear everything apart. They basically dismantled the nation just like those bandit forest groups back in the late '40s did—seizing assets from hardworking families and handing them over to some lowlife rural thugs and scammers. You can't fix this with simple policy changes or purges; you can't fight weeds with a garden hose. Honestly, it might already be too late. The damage those descendants of the radical left caused to the American people is almost impossible to undo.
Joseph Wright4 Joseph Wright4 Member
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#14 ·
Marinko Čulić and guys like him just live in some imaginary era. The parallels he tries to draw? They don't match reality at all.
It’s absurd. He doesn't get that he and his little circus act are actually the ones fueling the opposition. Writing this kind of nonsense is exactly what generates the very thing he claims to be "fighting."

It's wild how stuck some people are in a mindset from over 25 years ago... even though the reality they keep preaching about never even existed. I guess it's kind of pathetic, in a way..🤷

Anyway—once the people who are "infected" by old propaganda pamphlets (because his writing style is basically just recycled agitprop gibberish) and babble about things that were never real finally go underground, along with their "dark" counterparts on the other side... maybe this country can finally breathe again under some normal conditions.
Unfortunately, the current situation just keeps churning out new people obsessed with nonsense from 70 years ago...

Talking about "partisans" or "clerical fascism"...🙄 if it wasn't for Čulić and his crowd, any supposed "extremist elements" in the US would be right where they belong in any country—on the fringes. And honestly, Čulić should be there too..🤷

(Every day it becomes more obvious that failing to implement some form of political purge was one of the biggest mistakes in recent US history...)
urbanorca8 urbanorca8 Member
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#15 ·
So, anyone figure out who actually started that whole boycott against those grocery chains yet?
rapidbear65 rapidbear65 Active Member
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joined May 2016
#16 ·
Brenda Cook4 said:Hold on a second—have you actually looked into who these people are or who their fathers were?😁

Because that’s exactly how the old regime handled their 'class enemies,' seizing homes, fine art, gold, and... well, using other more permanent methods too.

German, Ivica Todorić,... sons of FBI agents, Mateša's son-in-law...
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#17 ·
neonhound18 said:America needs a thorough purging of all those relics from the old regime and their little protégés, much like we need to cleanse the national psyche of any lingering traces of communism or any flavor of totalitarianism—be it far-right or far-left—because quite frankly, they belong in history books, not our present. I have absolutely no interest in listening to recycled, tired political tropes. I refuse to squander what remains of my youth and life on such trivial nonsense. Once that's settled, we really ought to overhaul how people are selected for roles within political parties and major corporations; it's about changing the entire mindset. We shouldn't just sit around waiting for some messianic Great Leader to guide us toward a brighter future. 🙄

Alternatively, one could simply ask the U.S. Embassy to install a memorial for the victims of all forms of totalitarianism right there on embassy grounds (it’s actually something the American Ambassador Musomeli did over in Canada, just to watch the local hardliners lose their minds—he essentially outmaneuvered them by placing the monument on sovereign embassy territory, leaving them with nothing to do but simmer in their own frustration)😁).


so he wants to wipe the slate totally clean,
but I guess the local mob bosses get a free pass, huh?

in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen! 😁
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
192 messages
joined Apr 2013
#18 ·
rustypilot71 said:I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić

Well done, my friend Marinko; I suspect even Stalin and Marshall would be proud of your perspective. 🙄 Perhaps Marinko (and a few other folks on this forum) should spend a little less time obsessing over Boško Buha and those old speeches from Marshall; it doesn't make for the best look, really. 😛
Jessica Kelly4 Jessica Kelly4 Active Member
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joined Jun 2016
#19 ·
rustypilot71 said:I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić

Unfortunately, American anti-fascism—or what you call partisanism—never managed to establish itself as its own thing, independent from Communist ideology. It had the numbers and the heart to do it, but the party leadership made sure that never happened.

And any anti-fascism rooted in Communism is a non-starter; its entire way of operating was basically a "bullet to the back of the head" and sending people to Alcatraz. There's nothing better than the stuff Čulić is writing about.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#20 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:so he wants to wipe the slate totally clean,
but I guess the local mob bosses get a free pass, huh?

in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen! 😁

Precisely. It seems they’d feel right at home in Cuba or North Korea, wouldn't they? 😂

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