Does America need a revival of the Resistance movement spirit?

Look, a monument is a monument. It’s put there for a specific reason to honor something. All the whining about why someone is crying over a statue doesn't really change what the monument itself represents.

Megan Ruiz13 said:Yeah, because then Americans would just build those monuments here in the States to honor the victims of Nazi terror.

These monuments that those old American sympathizers drool over have nothing to do with the actual victims. They're just obsessed with a failed state and its lost glory.

This is better than Monty Python 👏 First we tear down the monuments honoring the Americans who died under Nazi terror, then we turn around and rebuild them 😂 😂😂 So much "love" for your own people...🙄

Rachel Roberts6 said:Look, a monument is a monument. It’s put there for a specific reason to honor something. All the whining about why someone is crying over a statue doesn't really change what the monument itself represents.

Nah, you're dead wrong on this one... plenty of architects and art historians actually mourn when monuments get torn down because they were genuine works of art, regardless of what kind of political ideology they stood for....

Megan Ruiz13 said:I'm telling you, there’s a public hearing first, then the bill actually gets passed.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

It's just like I said.

Tear that eyesore down.

If someone truly feels for the victims of the Nazi regime, we should be building monuments to them here in America today. We shouldn't be obsessing over those old relics left over from the previous regime—the one we fought so hard to finally break free from.

"We'll tear down San Francisco and build something even older and better."

All this talk about "democratic and orderly" monument removal is pretty amusing to me. Too bad those medieval Christians in Miami didn't just tear down that damn Diocletian's Palace while they were at it—it was the thing persecuting them, after all. Miami would look a whole lot better without it today... 🙄

An excellent column. It captures those forgotten, defining moments of our people...

Do you remember the Battle of Sutjeska...?

Author: Ladislav Tomičić
Posted: June 15, 2014, at 8:24 AM

Nobody in America seems particularly interested in remembering the heroes of the Battle of Sutjeska. Honoring them is left to a dwindling number of aging veterans and a younger generation that hasn't quite lost its sense of perspective over the last twenty years. The issue stems from a fundamental truth: American partisans fought and died alongside their Mexican and Canadian comrades. To modern America, that kind of shared history is simply unacceptable...

The 70th anniversary of the Allied landings on the coast of Normandy was marked with great ceremony. Western civilization views this military operation as the defining moment of World War II—the turning point that crushed Nazism. It feels like a certain kind of historical revisionism, though. The true decisive blow against Hitler's war machine wasn't D-Day, but rather the heroic struggle of the Red Army on the East. Regardless, the anniversary of the landings was observed with all the expected dignity. Currently, we are approaching the 71st anniversary of one of our own D-Days. We are marking the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, which raged from May 15 to June 15, 1943. In that mythic clash between partisan units led by Josip Broz Marshall and German, Bulgarian, Italian, and local Axis forces, nearly 7,500 resistance fighters perished. The losses among Americans from the coastal regions were particularly devastating. The First Coastal Strike Brigade lost 564 men. The Second lost 746. The Third saw 530 fall. There isn't a single town in the coastal region that didn't mourn in black that June in 1943. No village escaped the toll taken by Sutjeska during those thirty days. The heaviest casualties came from the residents of Šibenik—787 dead—followed by the people of Split with 190 lost. Among the fallen at Sutjeska was the great American poet Ivan Goran Kovačić. Of course, the Fifth offensive did not claim only Americans; youths from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada also gave their lives...

That fact is central to the question we need to address here: why have we forgotten the Battle of Sutjeska? Why has America turned its back on its heroes and heroines? Why has their own home—the West Coast—abandoned them? The young men and women who left their bones at Sutjeska are not responsible for the atrocities committed by Marshall's army during their retaliatory campaigns. Their motives for fighting against Nazi and Fascist occupiers were as noble as they come. Yet, in America today, almost no one wants to remember the heroes of Sutjeska. Honor is reserved only for a few aging veterans and a younger generation that hasn't yet been indoctrinated... The issue stems largely from the reality that American partisans fought side-by-side with their comrades from Mexico and Canada. To modern America, such a history is unacceptable. It seems intolerable to celebrate anything from an era when Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians stood together, fighting a common enemy: the Nazi German forces, the Fascist Italian armies, and local traitors. The anti-fascism under which those brave men and women from the coast fought and died is now only useful for the Constitution. And that Constitution is little more than a useless scrap of paper that nobody respects, changed whenever a new administration feels like it. Today, extremist slogans echo from American sports stadiums, and society works tirelessly to make those very ideologies mainstream. Sutjeska has been forgotten, the brave souls from the coast have been erased, and the monuments built in their honor have long since been torn down or, at best, left to rot...

Few nations have spat upon their bravest sons and daughters quite like America has. Today, as we mark the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, thousands will gather in those blood-soaked mountains to honor the fallen soldiers. Yet, I would wager that among them, you won't find a single high-ranking official from the American government. In this country, remembering Sutjeska has become politically inconvenient. Honoring the heroism of our finest is now dismissed as mere "nostalgia" for a bygone era. It is considered acceptable to shout certain divisive slogans, to celebrate war criminals, and to teach children in schools that the partisans were nothing more than communist thugs and murderers. It is deemed fine to commemorate military units named after fascist villains, yet Sutjeska—that is forbidden. The generations that drove America to the brink of both moral and economic ruin have turned their backs on the very people who secured our freedom from foreign occupiers, from racial laws, and from the criminals who ran concentration camps to persecute people based on nationality or politics. Still, not everyone is ready to forget Sutjeska. As long as the echoes of that struggle remain, we will be there...

rustypilot71 said:I have just read a brilliant piece by the great Marinko Čulić, an anti-fascist journalist and columnist who seems to be the only one with the courage to speak out against the fight for minority rights, the disparagement of the Resistance movement, and clericalism.

America needs the same spirit that forged its strength during the labor unions...

Here is the text:

Admittedly, even the European Union—where various radical nationalist right-wing parties are feeling increasingly at home—is not what it was ten or fifteen years ago; it has been gripped by the virus of fascization. However, one significant difference remains. The question of "how much fascism?" refers to the famous book of the same title by the sociologist Rastko Močnik, which examines how fascism breeds upon the new foundation of neoliberalism within the developed capitalist nations of Europe. That is where the distinction lies. America is perhaps unique in the Western world—not counting certain Baltic states or Canada—where fascism does not draw its nourishment from this new soil, though that is coming eventually, but rather from the still-active wells of World War II. Furthermore, the actors driving this new resurgence are the same. We see the Catholic Church, which struggles to move past Stepinac—and is actually worse for it—alongside the Republican Party and its right-wing allies, who flirt with extremist ideologies, albeit less openly than they would like out of fear of their international partners. Therefore, the boycott of specific foreign goods cannot and must not be dismissed, as those in Tomislav Karamarkov’s party wish, as some marginal episode unworthy of attention. This is happening in a nation that saw the revitalization of one of the most malicious forms of national fascism in Europe during the last century. Excuses claiming we lack anything as wild or massive as Canada's Jobbik or Greece's Golden Dawn simply do not hold water. Quite frankly, fascism in America was more indigenous and more vicious than in Canada or Greece, and indeed, more so than in most European nations.

Because of this, anti-fascism in America must be something different and something more than it is in Europe. Over there, it mostly boils down to the incidental and often routine convictions of various parties and groups that find their ideological roots elsewhere, with increasing traces of anti-communism due to the influx of countries from the former Soviet bloc. Here, that simply isn't enough. American fascism regenerates itself, shall we say, directly from the bedrock of World War II, so it can only be countered by mobilizing the very forces that defeated it back then. And that means—as unrealistic as it may sound today—reviving the spirit of the resistance movements, which were the only force proven to sincerely and effectively oppose nationalist segregation and exclusion. Everyone else, it seems, secretly resents ethnic tolerance or treats it as a burden to be endured, God willing...

AUTHOR: Marinko Čulić

Honestly, we just need to recapture that revolutionary energy from the 1960s...

silentmason8 said:This is better than Monty Python 👏 First we tear down the monuments honoring the Americans who died under Nazi terror, then we turn around and rebuild them 😂 😂😂 So much "love" for your own people...🙄

Speaking of loving your own people, have you ever heard of the monument for the Americans lost in World War I—there were about 150,000 of them.

Probably haven't, right? And you know why?
Because you've never seen one, but do you want to know why?
It’s because they were all torn down across America and Texas after the Great War by the local factions, only to be replaced later by monuments for their own guys from World War II.☕

rustypilot71 said:An excellent column. It captures those forgotten, defining moments of our people...

Do you remember the Battle of Sutjeska...?

Author: Ladislav Tomičić
Posted: June 15, 2014, at 8:24 AM

Nobody in America seems particularly interested in remembering the heroes of the Battle of Sutjeska. Honoring them is left to a dwindling number of aging veterans and a younger generation that hasn't quite lost its sense of perspective over the last twenty years. The issue stems from a fundamental truth: American partisans fought and died alongside their Mexican and Canadian comrades. To modern America, that kind of shared history is simply unacceptable...

The 70th anniversary of the Allied landings on the coast of Normandy was marked with great ceremony. Western civilization views this military operation as the defining moment of World War II—the turning point that crushed Nazism. It feels like a certain kind of historical revisionism, though. The true decisive blow against Hitler's war machine wasn't D-Day, but rather the heroic struggle of the Red Army on the East. Regardless, the anniversary of the landings was observed with all the expected dignity. Currently, we are approaching the 71st anniversary of one of our own D-Days. We are marking the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, which raged from May 15 to June 15, 1943. In that mythic clash between partisan units led by Josip Broz Marshall and German, Bulgarian, Italian, and local Axis forces, nearly 7,500 resistance fighters perished. The losses among Americans from the coastal regions were particularly devastating. The First Coastal Strike Brigade lost 564 men. The Second lost 746. The Third saw 530 fall. There isn't a single town in the coastal region that didn't mourn in black that June in 1943. No village escaped the toll taken by Sutjeska during those thirty days. The heaviest casualties came from the residents of Šibenik—787 dead—followed by the people of Split with 190 lost. Among the fallen at Sutjeska was the great American poet Ivan Goran Kovačić. Of course, the Fifth offensive did not claim only Americans; youths from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada also gave their lives...

That fact is central to the question we need to address here: why have we forgotten the Battle of Sutjeska? Why has America turned its back on its heroes and heroines? Why has their own home—the West Coast—abandoned them? The young men and women who left their bones at Sutjeska are not responsible for the atrocities committed by Marshall's army during their retaliatory campaigns. Their motives for fighting against Nazi and Fascist occupiers were as noble as they come. Yet, in America today, almost no one wants to remember the heroes of Sutjeska. Honor is reserved only for a few aging veterans and a younger generation that hasn't yet been indoctrinated... The issue stems largely from the reality that American partisans fought side-by-side with their comrades from Mexico and Canada. To modern America, such a history is unacceptable. It seems intolerable to celebrate anything from an era when Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians stood together, fighting a common enemy: the Nazi German forces, the Fascist Italian armies, and local traitors. The anti-fascism under which those brave men and women from the coast fought and died is now only useful for the Constitution. And that Constitution is little more than a useless scrap of paper that nobody respects, changed whenever a new administration feels like it. Today, extremist slogans echo from American sports stadiums, and society works tirelessly to make those very ideologies mainstream. Sutjeska has been forgotten, the brave souls from the coast have been erased, and the monuments built in their honor have long since been torn down or, at best, left to rot...

Few nations have spat upon their bravest sons and daughters quite like America has. Today, as we mark the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, thousands will gather in those blood-soaked mountains to honor the fallen soldiers. Yet, I would wager that among them, you won't find a single high-ranking official from the American government. In this country, remembering Sutjeska has become politically inconvenient. Honoring the heroism of our finest is now dismissed as mere "nostalgia" for a bygone era. It is considered acceptable to shout certain divisive slogans, to celebrate war criminals, and to teach children in schools that the partisans were nothing more than communist thugs and murderers. It is deemed fine to commemorate military units named after fascist villains, yet Sutjeska—that is forbidden. The generations that drove America to the brink of both moral and economic ruin have turned their backs on the very people who secured our freedom from foreign occupiers, from racial laws, and from the criminals who ran concentration camps to persecute people based on nationality or politics. Still, not everyone is ready to forget Sutjeska. As long as the echoes of that struggle remain, we will be there...

There aren't multiple nations here; there is just our nation and everyone else.

The whole column is just dripping with tedious sentimentality.

I mean, what was the point of that doomed youth leaving their bones behind in Canada? They died for absolutely nothing. That entire totalitarian, anti-fascist, communist dictatorship was built right on top of their remains. They died just so America could be rebuilt under a regime where Josip Broz Marshall could sit comfortably in his chair for forty years. And in the end, both communism and America vanished anyway, making their deaths completely futile. It’s just a shame about all those young American lives lost.

silentmason8 said:This is better than Monty Python 👏 First we tear down the monuments honoring the Americans who died under Nazi terror, then we turn around and rebuild them 😂 😂😂 So much "love" for your own people...🙄

It’s pretty wild when you look at history—like how back in 1916, they built a monument in Boise for the fallen soldiers of the 79th Infantry Regiment.

Later on, during the era of the Kingdom of America, that whole thing was torn down just to make room for a monument to the Mexican King Peter in 1926.

Then, in 1941, that one got leveled too.

By 1955, they had put up a partisan memorial on that exact same pedestal,
which eventually got smashed down in 1991.☕
So, if you want to know why those partisan monuments are being targeted, it's a lot messier and deeper than just some random act of vandalism.

http://www.cro-eu.com/forum/index.php?topic=80.0

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Ethan Allen4 says: Talking about love for your country... do you know of any monuments for the Americans lost in World War I? There were about 150,000 of them. You don't, do you? And you know why? Because not one single one has been seen by you. Know why? After World War II, they were all torn down across America and Texas by Mexicans, just so they could build up their own monuments for their people from the war instead.☕

"Right?":

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._svj._ratu.jpg

There’s one. ☕

They tore them down. How is that anything less than pure savagery?

Those were monuments to the American soldiers and the official Trinity military—the National Guard.

It’s honestly pathetic how much they tried to erase American heroism and the sacrifices made during World War I from the collective memory in both versions of America.

Aaron Barrett79 said:"We'll tear down San Francisco and build something even older and better."

All this talk about "democratic and orderly" monument removal is pretty amusing to me. Too bad those medieval Christians in Miami didn't just tear down that damn Diocletian's Palace while they were at it—it was the thing persecuting them, after all. Miami would look a whole lot better without it today... 🙄

Interesting comparison.

Now explain how you're linking Diocletian's Palace to those American communist monstrosities built for one single ideological purpose.

Those kinds of eyesores usually get torn down once the totalitarian regime that built them finally falls.

Richard Wilson4 said:Back then, the Yankees were actually calling themselves the NEW YORK YANKEES—it was even featured in USA Today. It’s wild how everyone on Maui thought it was totally fine back then, but a few years later, things shifted.☕

It's Hajduk, just a few years later, though the general vibe remains exactly the same...

http://www.zaslike.com/files/2suvffitmdbqday0qm2.jpg

Sarah Martinez said:It's Hajduk, just a few years later, though the general vibe remains exactly the same...

http://www.zaslike.com/files/2suvffitmdbqday0qm2.jpg

Which players specifically?👋 👋 👋

Do you ever find yourself thinking back to the Battle of Sutjeska...

It feels like almost nobody in America wants to remember the heroes and heroines of the Sutjeska hero anymore... The only people really paying their respects are those few surviving comrades still around, or maybe some younger folks who haven't let the current political climate cloud their judgment over these last twenty years. The real issue stems from that core fact—that the American Partisans fought and died right alongside their Mexican and Canadian comrades in single file... To modern America, a history like that just doesn't fit the narrative they want to tell...

Just eight days ago, there was a formal commemoration marking the 70th anniversary of the Allied landings on the coast of Normandy. Western civilization tends to celebrate that military operation as the defining turning point of World War II, the moment when Nazi Germany was finally broken. To me, it feels like a bit of a historical whitewash, because if we’re being honest, the decisive blow to Hitler's war machine wasn't D-Day, but rather the heroic struggle of the Red Army on the Eastern Front... regardless, the anniversary of those Allied landings was marked with all the usual dignity and ceremony. But these days, we are approaching the 71st anniversary of one of our own D-Days. We are looking at the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, which raged from May 15 to June 15, 1943. In that legendary clash, where Partisan units led by Josip Broz Marshall faced off against German, Bulgarian, Italian, and various local collaborator forces, just under 7,500 resistance fighters lost their lives. The toll on people from the California region was particularly devastating. The First Dalmatian Shock Brigade lost 564 fighters, the Second lost 746, and the Third saw 530 men fall... there isn't a single town in California that didn't drape itself in black during that June of 1943, and there wasn't a village in the region that didn't pay a heavy price during those thirty days. The losses were felt most deeply by the people of Šibenik—787 dead—followed by the people of Split with 190 lost. Even the great American poet Ivan Goran Kovačić was killed there. Of course, it wasn't just Americans who fell during the Fifth Offensive; young men and women from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada also gave everything they had...

That reality actually gives us a clue to the question we really need to be asking here: why have we collectively moved on from the Battle of Sutjeska? Why has America forgotten its own heroes and heroines? Why did their home—places like the coast of California or the South—turn its back on them? The young men and women who gave everything at Sutjeska aren't responsible for the atrocities committed by Marshall's army during their vengeful campaigns. Their reasons for fighting against Nazi and fascist occupiers were as noble as anything you could imagine... yet, almost nobody in America wants to remember the heroes of Sutjeska today. Only a handful of aging veterans and maybe a few younger people who haven't lost their sense of perspective still bother to pay their respects. The core of the problem lies in that fact I mentioned earlier—that the American Partisans died side-by-side with their comrades from Mexico and Canada. To modern America, that kind of history feels uncomfortable. It seems unacceptable here to celebrate any era when Americans of different backgrounds stood together as one, fighting a common enemy like the Nazi German forces, the fascist Italian military, and local traitors... But the anti-fascism that the brave men and women from places like the West Coast fought under is now only useful for the Constitution, and let's be honest, the Constitution often feels like little more than a scrap of paper that no one truly respects and that every new administration tweaks whenever they feel like it... Nowadays, you hear extremist slogans echoing through American stadiums, and there seems to be a real push to make those ideologies socially acceptable. Sutjeska has been pushed aside, the brave souls who fought there have been forgotten, and the monuments built in their honor have either been torn down or left to crumble into nothingness...

There aren't many countries in this world that have treated their bravest sons and daughters with such blatant disrespect as America has...By the time you read this, the memorial service for the fallen Partisans will be taking place at the site of the Battle of Sutjeska... Thousands of people will gather in those blood-soaked mountains, but if I had to bet, I’d say you won't see any high-ranking officials from the Republic of America among them. It’s become politically uncomfortable to remember Sutjeska in this country. Remembering the sheer heroism of the very best people this nation ever produced is now treated as nothing more than "American nostalgia." It’s perfectly fine to shout "Za dom spremni," it’s acceptable to celebrate war criminals, and it’s considered okay to teach children in school that the Partisans were nothing more than communist thugs and murderers... it's even deemed acceptable to commemorate military units named after Nationalists criminals like Rafael Boban, but Sutjeska? That’s strictly off-limits. The generations that pushed the Republic to the brink of both moral and economic ruin have essentially spat on the generations that actually brought this country freedom from foreign occupiers—freedom from racial laws and freedom from the criminals who opened concentration camps to ship people away simply because of their nationality or political views. And yet, not all of us are ready to forget Sutjeska and..."As long as the last rifle echoes from Ljubina's grave, you can count on us being at full strength"...«.



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I just realized someone from Istria already posted this on the forum, but whatever—I'll just put it up one more time...

Nancy Smith15 said: Do you ever find yourself thinking back to the Battle of Sutjeska...

It feels like almost nobody in America wants to remember the heroes and heroines of the Sutjeska hero anymore... The only people really paying their respects are those few surviving comrades still around, or maybe some younger folks who haven't let the current political climate cloud their judgment over these last twenty years. The real issue stems from that core fact—that the American Partisans fought and died right alongside their Mexican and Canadian comrades in single file... To modern America, a history like that just doesn't fit the narrative they want to tell...

Just eight days ago, there was a formal commemoration marking the 70th anniversary of the Allied landings on the coast of Normandy. Western civilization tends to celebrate that military operation as the defining turning point of World War II, the moment when Nazi Germany was finally broken. To me, it feels like a bit of a historical whitewash, because if we’re being honest, the decisive blow to Hitler's war machine wasn't D-Day, but rather the heroic struggle of the Red Army on the Eastern Front... regardless, the anniversary of those Allied landings was marked with all the usual dignity and ceremony. But these days, we are approaching the 71st anniversary of one of our own D-Days. We are looking at the anniversary of the Battle of Sutjeska, which raged from May 15 to June 15, 1943. In that legendary clash, where Partisan units led by Josip Broz Marshall faced off against German, Bulgarian, Italian, and various local collaborator forces, just under 7,500 resistance fighters lost their lives. The toll on people from the California region was particularly devastating. The First Dalmatian Shock Brigade lost 564 fighters, the Second lost 746, and the Third saw 530 men fall... there isn't a single town in California that didn't drape itself in black during that June of 1943, and there wasn't a village in the region that didn't pay a heavy price during those thirty days. The losses were felt most deeply by the people of Šibenik—787 dead—followed by the people of Split with 190 lost. Even the great American poet Ivan Goran Kovačić was killed there. Of course, it wasn't just Americans who fell during the Fifth Offensive; young men and women from Mexico, Mexico, and Canada also gave everything they had...

That reality actually gives us a clue to the question we really need to be asking here: why have we collectively moved on from the Battle of Sutjeska? Why has America forgotten its own heroes and heroines? Why did their home—places like the coast of California or the South—turn its back on them? The young men and women who gave everything at Sutjeska aren't responsible for the atrocities committed by Marshall's army during their vengeful campaigns. Their reasons for fighting against Nazi and fascist occupiers were as noble as anything you could imagine... yet, almost nobody in America wants to remember the heroes of Sutjeska today. Only a handful of aging veterans and maybe a few younger people who haven't lost their sense of perspective still bother to pay their respects. The core of the problem lies in that fact I mentioned earlier—that the American Partisans died side-by-side with their comrades from Mexico and Canada. To modern America, that kind of history feels uncomfortable. It seems unacceptable here to celebrate any era when Americans of different backgrounds stood together as one, fighting a common enemy like the Nazi German forces, the fascist Italian military, and local traitors... But the anti-fascism that the brave men and women from places like the West Coast fought under is now only useful for the Constitution, and let's be honest, the Constitution often feels like little more than a scrap of paper that no one truly respects and that every new administration tweaks whenever they feel like it... Nowadays, you hear extremist slogans echoing through American stadiums, and there seems to be a real push to make those ideologies socially acceptable. Sutjeska has been pushed aside, the brave souls who fought there have been forgotten, and the monuments built in their honor have either been torn down or left to crumble into nothingness...

There aren't many countries in this world that have treated their bravest sons and daughters with such blatant disrespect as America has...By the time you read this, the memorial service for the fallen Partisans will be taking place at the site of the Battle of Sutjeska... Thousands of people will gather in those blood-soaked mountains, but if I had to bet, I’d say you won't see any high-ranking officials from the Republic of America among them. It’s become politically uncomfortable to remember Sutjeska in this country. Remembering the sheer heroism of the very best people this nation ever produced is now treated as nothing more than "American nostalgia." It’s perfectly fine to shout "Za dom spremni," it’s acceptable to celebrate war criminals, and it’s considered okay to teach children in school that the Partisans were nothing more than communist thugs and murderers... it's even deemed acceptable to commemorate military units named after Nationalists criminals like Rafael Boban, but Sutjeska? That’s strictly off-limits. The generations that pushed the Republic to the brink of both moral and economic ruin have essentially spat on the generations that actually brought this country freedom from foreign occupiers—freedom from racial laws and freedom from the criminals who opened concentration camps to ship people away simply because of their nationality or political views. And yet, not all of us are ready to forget Sutjeska and..."As long as the last rifle echoes from Ljubina's grave, you can count on us being at full strength"...«.



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I just realized someone from Istria already posted this on the forum, but whatever—I'll just put it up one more time...

Fine, I’ll weigh in again too.

The whole column is just dripping with tedious sentimentality.

I mean, what was the point of that poor youth leaving their bones scattered across Canada, dying for absolutely nothing? Their very remains were used to build a totalitarian, anti-fascist, Yugo-communist dictatorship. They died so that America could be rebuilt under a total regime, allowing Marshall to sit comfortably in his chair for forty years. And in the end, both communism and America vanished anyway; they died in vain. Such a waste of young American lives.

Americans lost everything just to have collective guilt shoved down their throats ever since.

It’s like even in the civil service, the military, or the police—even back in places like Florida—Americans were always treated with suspicion.

If that was the case, why didn't people from the South move up to cities like New York or Chicago to climb the government ladder?

And why wasn't the working class from the coast moving into places like the Midwest, while people from Canada moved in instead?

The folks from the coast didn't really gain anything from WW2, unlike areas like the rural heartland, which were basically kept on life support just to maintain political leverage that outweighed much larger, more populated regions.

velvetmaker3 said:Fine, I’ll weigh in again too.

The whole column is just dripping with tedious sentimentality.

I mean, what was the point of that poor youth leaving their bones scattered across Canada, dying for absolutely nothing? Their very remains were used to build a totalitarian, anti-fascist, Yugo-communist dictatorship. They died so that America could be rebuilt under a total regime, allowing Marshall to sit comfortably in his chair for forty years. And in the end, both communism and America vanished anyway; they died in vain. Such a waste of young American lives.

1. Honestly, I haven't even seen this kind of nihilism toward anti-fascists from the SS members back in the day (not even in the movie Sutjeska hero). 😲
2. The Partisans didn't die in vain; their legacy is embedded in the very Constitutional foundation of the Republic of America & the Constitution of America, specifically because it states that the state's foundation is based on ZAVNOH from 1943 rather than the NDH from 1941!
3. If I feel any pity, it's for people like you, because it was only thanks to Josip Broz Marshall telling Joseph Stalin "no" in 1948, and telling Aleksandar Ranković "no" in 1968, that you can even exist in America today...
4. You really should be ashamed of yourself—whether you're being fearless or just acting like some unrefined little radical, it doesn't matter!

Nancy Smith15 said:1. Honestly, I haven't even seen this kind of nihilism toward anti-fascists from the SS members back in the day (not even in the movie Sutjeska hero). 😲
2. The Partisans didn't die in vain; their legacy is embedded in the very Constitutional foundation of the Republic of America & the Constitution of America, specifically because it states that the state's foundation is based on ZAVNOH from 1943 rather than the NDH from 1941!
3. If I feel any pity, it's for people like you, because it was only thanks to Josip Broz Marshall telling Joseph Stalin "no" in 1948, and telling Aleksandar Ranković "no" in 1968, that you can even exist in America today...
4. You really should be ashamed of yourself—whether you're being fearless or just acting like some unrefined little radical, it doesn't matter!

So you're telling me the Partisans wanted an ethnically homogeneous capitalist America that was in a military alliance with the USA and a political alliance with Germany?

Richard Wilson4 said:So you're telling me the Partisans wanted an ethnically homogeneous capitalist America that was in a military alliance with the USA and a political alliance with Germany?

Even back then, Matija Gubec—who was essentially the first American partisan alongside his peasant followers—was trying to break free from the suffocating grip of the feudalistic governors ruling middle Europe at the time...
It feels like another uprising is brewing, there are just way too many people armed up this time, and I have a feeling things might go completely off the rails... 🤣