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The Power of Money

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Eric Newman4 Eric Newman4 MemberOP
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joined Oct 2013
#1 ·
Have you ever reached that point where money actually changes who you are? I’m talking about having enough to live comfortably—where you don't have to spend every waking hour stressing over whether you can cover your bills or make it through next month... and if so, how much did it change you?
graniteangler18 graniteangler18 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#2 ·
I’m a huge fan of money.
There’s just something about being able to buy someone a gift—or even just getting that paycheck hit... I love knowing there's a purpose behind the grind.
To me, money is pure motivation. It keeps me inspired.

When you look at how families fall apart—I don't have the exact stats handy—but it seems like those domestic tragedies usually happen when things get desperate financially.

I’ve been watching this one marriage where they are struggling so hard. Bedna. Just awful. Sometimes they can barely afford the basics. But instead of splitting up so he could find seasonal work elsewhere, they insist on staying glued to each other because of jealousy. Are they happy? Not even close. They’re just constantly stressed and on edge.

I honestly don't buy into the idea that you can be happy or satisfied without cash.
Money is basically like food, sex, or health.
It's a fundamental necessity.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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joined Feb 2015
#3 ·
I think the title pretty much sums it all up. Money is power, plain and simple. Making enough through the right channels—and then having the sense to actually use that leverage wisely—that’s where the real wisdom lies. Personally? I’d love to stack as much cash as possible. Not just for the sake of greed, but to reach that level of financial independence where I can finally stop trading my hours for dollars and spend my life doing what actually matters to me. Once I've got my own ducks in a row, I’d use whatever is left over to help people out. I'm not really interested in collecting a bunch of flashy luxury status symbols; honestly, I already have pretty much everything I need. Okay, fine... maybe I’d pick up a nice car 😛
redpanther142 redpanther142 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#4 ·
Without money, you’re absolutely nobody—it doesn't matter who you are or what you've achieved. Cash opens every single door; if you don't have it, they're all slammed shut in your face.
graniteangler18 graniteangler18 Newcomer
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#5 ·
When you’re broke, nobody seems to care... just a harsh truth, really...
Joshua Adams41 Joshua Adams41 Member
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#6 ·
Money is the absolute bedrock of modern civilization. Honestly, trying to talk about "living life to the fullest" without mentioning cash is just a waste of breath.

I learned the hard way how soul-crushing debt can be. That constant weight of credit pressure? It’s a total disaster. To be completely blunt, that stress was actually what drove me to start drinking...
Even back when I was working manual labor jobs on construction sites, I never touched a drop nearly as much as I did when the money issues started piling up. I didn't even have a wife or kids to worry about feeding—it wasn't about survival, it was just...
It's enough to break a man. Just having that level of financial anxiety is brutal, let alone facing massive, crushing debts.
The hell I had to crawl through just to dig myself out of that hole? Those were easily the worst years of my entire life.
It’s easy to judge people when you have nothing, but when you look at those who suddenly find themselves at the top because they finally have cash... I don't buy it. They weren't different; the money just gave them wings.

Looking at how society shifts, I think back to the 90s here in the States. Everyone was wearing cheap knock-offs from flea markets and discount stalls—just wearing "junk." In the last decade, all of that seemingly vanished.
Then came the credit boom across America, and suddenly everyone looked polished, wealthy, young, and successful overnight.

And then, the 2008 global financial crash hit. Boom. Now, we aren't so "polished" or "wealthy" anymore. Everything flipped right back around again.

Knowledge is power, sure, but money? Money is the tool you use to wield that power.
analogwalker8 analogwalker8 Active Member
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joined Oct 2013
#7 ·
Money has this massive, overwhelming power—I mean, let's be real, cash has always been the engine and it isn't changing anytime soon.
It buys you influence, and more often than not, it buys you a seat at the big table.
If you're broke, life gets incredibly hard, especially living in this hyper-materialistic, capitalist American landscape we've built.
Look, you don't have to be some greedy corporate shark to get this. You can be a total saint or someone deeply spiritual, but even then, you’re still gonna want to make sure you can actually afford to live a decent life.
It’s pretty simple: without money, there's no stability. And if you want to focus on anything else—whether that's finding inner peace or pursuing a passion project—you need to have your basic survival needs covered first, which requires capital. Most of the time, when people are struggling financially, it just eats up all their mental energy and keeps them stuck in a cycle of stress and survival mode.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#8 ·
Why should people struggling to make ends meet even care about being stressed over it? Honestly, some folks are perfectly happy living on a tight budget and don't give the power of money a second thought.

I mean, just look at how far that obsession with prestige and "more, more, more" can take you. Sure, having a bigger bank account opens doors, right? You get to travel, you network with high-rollers... but at what cost? Is the price of wealth really worth having your phone buzzing every ten minutes and constantly rushing around, leaving zero time for the people who aren't part of that elite circle?

Side note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ky9kl80pQ8
Benjamin King17 Benjamin King17 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#9 ·
Money has always been power—especially in today's era of cutthroat capitalism. But power isn't meant for everyone; you actually have to know how to wield it to build something meaningful. Sure, money buys a certain lifestyle—travel, nightlife, and all that—but there are plenty of people who find fulfillment without those luxuries. They aren't living the high life, but they're content, which goes to show that you don't necessarily need a fortune to enjoy being alive. When you really sit with the thought, sometimes we don't even need it... yet the modern struggle is that everyone is chasing this dream of becoming a millionaire, and most people can't quite face the reality of that ambition...

"We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact. So don't fuck with us.”
Joshua Cox2 Joshua Cox2 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#10 ·
For most people, money acts like a powerful aphrodisiac. Modern Americans can’t even fathom existing without a bank account; it offers a certain sense of security, sure, but it doesn't guarantee happiness for anyone.
redpanther142 redpanther142 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Joshua Cox2 said:For most people, money acts like a powerful aphrodisiac. Modern Americans can’t even fathom existing without a bank account; it offers a certain sense of security, sure, but it doesn't guarantee happiness for anyone.

Maybe it isn't a guarantee—but in most scenarios, it’s the ultimate tool. Everything you want to achieve requires capital, and frankly, everything you successfully accomplish eventually pays off.
Christian Miller14 Christian Miller14 Member
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#12 ·
They say money is humanity's most flawless invention.

-as the old saying goes: as long as you have cash, you’ll always have friends.
northernscout59 northernscout59 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Christian Miller14 said:They say money is humanity's most flawless invention.

-as the old saying goes: as long as you have cash, you’ll always have friends.

I wouldn't call that an absolute truth, though—honestly, I’ve found the exact opposite to be true more often than not!

Maybe it’s because I don't really pick my buddies based on their bank accounts? I rarely talk about cash directly either; I'd much rather geek out over the quality of the work we're doing. At the end of the day, if we just stay focused on being great at what we do and putting in the effort, the money usually takes care of itself!
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#14 ·
I honestly can’t stand money or this whole modern capitalist grind and the system we're stuck in... but since I actually have to live in it, I guess it's better to have some cash than to be totally broke. Back when I wasn't making anything, I used to have all these little cravings—you know, wanting to buy this or that, or finally fixing up my apartment exactly how I wanted, or maybe traveling somewhere cool...
Once I got my first real paycheck and treated myself to a killer bike and did a bit of decorating, I just sat there thinking—wait, now what? I’d pretty much bought everything on my list 😁 (well, except for buying a house, obviously). But it’s weird... it feels kind of hollow once you can just buy whatever you want (which, honestly, means my standards are probably pretty low), and... yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm glad my fridge is stocked, even if certain things, like sweets, just feel totally unappealing to me right now. Stuff that used to feel like such a massive luxury, something that cost an arm and a leg and tasted like pure heaven once you finally grabbed it, now just feels... meh. I don't know. It’s nice living without the constant, crushing stress of wondering how you're going to survive until tomorrow, but then again, there was a certain kind of raw energy in just trying to make it through... for a little while, at least.
Benjamin King17 Benjamin King17 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#15 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:I honestly can’t stand money or this whole modern capitalist grind and the system we're stuck in... but since I actually have to live in it, I guess it's better to have some cash than to be totally broke. Back when I wasn't making anything, I used to have all these little cravings—you know, wanting to buy this or that, or finally fixing up my apartment exactly how I wanted, or maybe traveling somewhere cool...
Once I got my first real paycheck and treated myself to a killer bike and did a bit of decorating, I just sat there thinking—wait, now what? I’d pretty much bought everything on my list 😁 (well, except for buying a house, obviously). But it’s weird... it feels kind of hollow once you can just buy whatever you want (which, honestly, means my standards are probably pretty low), and... yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm glad my fridge is stocked, even if certain things, like sweets, just feel totally unappealing to me right now. Stuff that used to feel like such a massive luxury, something that cost an arm and a leg and tasted like pure heaven once you finally grabbed it, now just feels... meh. I don't know. It’s nice living without the constant, crushing stress of wondering how you're going to survive until tomorrow, but then again, there was a certain kind of raw energy in just trying to make it through... for a little while, at least.

It is fundamentally different to dream about something and strive for it than it is to actually possess it. Once you achieve it, it’s as if everything becomes tedious—like you have nothing left to do. It's similar to when someone retires; they imagine life will be all glamour and leisure, but after a week or two, they already find themselves wishing they were back at the office.

And you can always take a trip during your vacation... 😁
Douglas Gray8 Douglas Gray8 Active Member
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#16 ·
Wealth doesn't buy a better life. A rich guy drinks the same beer as everyone else.
A glass of water and a plate of food. That’s enough for someone living on a budget.
You make an average salary and live so quietly that nobody even knows you exist, far away from the media glare.
He’s wealthy, sure. But that comes with its own set of headaches. He's constantly looking over his shoulder because there are plenty of people out there just waiting to take advantage of him.
They took him out for the money. Now he’s got private security stationed right in front of his house, because honestly, what else can you do?
They can't ever just relax. Every single trip has to be a massive committee meeting first. They need constant consensus before they even step out the door.
Avoid the nosey types and the press. At night, there’s a police escort or private security on standby.
The guard's driver keeps a pot tucked under his seat. Where exactly is the freedom in that? If you ask me, it's a bit much.
Do you feel like you're taking a gamble every time you step out the front door?
You’ve got one house and a family to look after. He’s sitting on ten properties and a family of his own. Different worlds.
Let's be real about what's actually there. He’s only going to be living on one single property, because...
Spreading assets across the entire estate would be an exhausting undertaking. Besides, his collateral is...
He’s redundant. He's already got enough cash to be lost in his own head about what to do with it.
How does it differ from being poor?
Austin Vaughn3 Austin Vaughn3 Member
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#17 ·
Douglas Gray8 said:Wealth doesn't buy a better life. A rich guy drinks the same beer as everyone else.
A glass of water and a plate of food. That’s enough for someone living on a budget.
You make an average salary and live so quietly that nobody even knows you exist, far away from the media glare.
He’s wealthy, sure. But that comes with its own set of headaches. He's constantly looking over his shoulder because there are plenty of people out there just waiting to take advantage of him.
They took him out for the money. Now he’s got private security stationed right in front of his house, because honestly, what else can you do?
They can't ever just relax. Every single trip has to be a massive committee meeting first. They need constant consensus before they even step out the door.
Avoid the nosey types and the press. At night, there’s a police escort or private security on standby.
The guard's driver keeps a pot tucked under his seat. Where exactly is the freedom in that? If you ask me, it's a bit much.
Do you feel like you're taking a gamble every time you step out the front door?
You’ve got one house and a family to look after. He’s sitting on ten properties and a family of his own. Different worlds.
Let's be real about what's actually there. He’s only going to be living on one single property, because...
Spreading assets across the entire estate would be an exhausting undertaking. Besides, his collateral is...
He’s redundant. He's already got enough cash to be lost in his own head about what to do with it.
How does it differ from being poor?


Haven't read this much nonsense in a single thread for a long time.
Sure, money doesn't guarantee happiness. But it seems like the poor don't have a thing to worry about, while the wealthy spend every waking moment paranoid that someone's going to kill them.😕 You forgot to mention that the poor end up worrying about whether they can even afford to put food on the table or cover their utility bills.
Forget about having control over your schedule. Let’s talk about the quality of that time. You claim the wealthy aren't free because they live in fear, but you're ignoring the reality for everyone else. The poor aren't free either because they spend their lives trading every waking hour to someone else just to collect a paycheck. We could debate this forever. Money provides freedom and the power to dictate how you live your life. Of course, if a person is an idiot, no amount of capital will save them. But if you're broke, you're sidelined from the start. And I'm not just talking about material things.
Douglas Gray8 Douglas Gray8 Active Member
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#18 ·
Austin Vaughn3 said:Haven't read this much nonsense in a single thread for a long time.
Sure, money doesn't guarantee happiness. But it seems like the poor don't have a thing to worry about, while the wealthy spend every waking moment paranoid that someone's going to kill them.😕 You forgot to mention that the poor end up worrying about whether they can even afford to put food on the table or cover their utility bills.
Forget about having control over your schedule. Let’s talk about the quality of that time. You claim the wealthy aren't free because they live in fear, but you're ignoring the reality for everyone else. The poor aren't free either because they spend their lives trading every waking hour to someone else just to collect a paycheck. We could debate this forever. Money provides freedom and the power to dictate how you live your life. Of course, if a person is an idiot, no amount of capital will save them. But if you're broke, you're sidelined from the start. And I'm not just talking about material things.

The poor might have worries, but they live quietly and stay under the radar. Anyone capable
of working will find enough for bread; unemployment is a personal issue.
You're talking nonsense. He has to trade his time for labor just to get any money at all.
That's the only way to avoid unpaid bills.
And usually, someone who ends up poor put themselves in that position through
laziness, lack of drive, incompetence, or fear.
I know, I know... you'll say not everyone gets the same opportunities. Let me answer that.
I once worked for a guy who arrived in the States with nothing but a single bag—no home, no family,
no money, no job, nothing. Today, he’s the CEO of three major hotel chains.
He did it through sweat and sheer grit. Everyone gets a shot, but we aren't all built the same.
That's the reality.

it is truth
Christian Miller14 Christian Miller14 Member
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joined Oct 2011
#19 ·
If you're a mess without money, you'll just be a mess with money.--it's that simple.
Austin Vaughn3 Austin Vaughn3 Member
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joined Jan 2011
#20 ·
Douglas Gray8 said:The poor might have worries, but they live quietly and stay under the radar. Anyone capable
of working will find enough for bread; unemployment is a personal issue.
You're talking nonsense. He has to trade his time for labor just to get any money at all.
That's the only way to avoid unpaid bills.
And usually, someone who ends up poor put themselves in that position through
laziness, lack of drive, incompetence, or fear.
I know, I know... you'll say not everyone gets the same opportunities. Let me answer that.
I once worked for a guy who arrived in the States with nothing but a single bag—no home, no family,
no money, no job, nothing. Today, he’s the CEO of three major hotel chains.
He did it through sweat and sheer grit. Everyone gets a shot, but we aren't all built the same.
That's the reality.

it is truth

You're contradicting yourself. How does having worries mean "living peacefully"? I don't know about you, but when I have problems, I'm not living peacefully. Those worries eat at you. If someone is unemployed, they don't know where they'll live or what they'll eat—and God forbid they have a kid in that situation—they aren't living peacefully. Look... you're right that people need to work hard, that goes without saying. But it's not true that everyone who is currently unemployed caused their own poverty through laziness or lack of drive. I know plenty of incredibly hardworking, smart people who are out of work, while the ones actually holding down jobs are the lazy ones. Sure, you could say those first people aren't "capable," if by capability you mean having the right connections to get hired.

Moving slightly off-topic before I get back to the point.
That example of the man who started from nothing and built an empire says a lot about his character—his persistence, his diligence, his ability. I agree. But my point stands: a poor person isn't free because they don't control their own time. Even with that guy who started from zero and got rich... a wealthy person can wake up and ask, "What should I do today?" For instance, "I'll go sailing... or hiking... or travel the world... visit the pyramids." A wealthy person can choose an activity like sailing and pursue it with total dedication, hard work, and passion for hours on end, without needing to make a dime from it. You can't call them lazy. They simply have the luxury of choosing how to spend their time, regardless of whether it's profitable.
Your guy didn't have that option. He had to figure out what would bring in cash first, then pick one of those things and be diligent and persistent at it. See the difference? He couldn't just spend his time wandering around Mount Rainier watching birds and studying them, because he wouldn't be able to survive on that. That's the reality.

Money buys freedom. Period.

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