Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Angela Robinson3 said:Where exactly did you pull these numbers from? I could really use a reliable source here. 🙂

The numbers came straight from the agency records. If I recall correctly, it was Rebecca Watson who hunted them down and shared them in this thread. 🙂

Angela Robinson3 said:Where exactly did you pull these numbers from? I could really use a reliable source here. 🙂

The Census Bureau provides the data when you ask. They’re a bit tight-lipped, but they give it up. There’s actual data on live births by ethnicity per municipality going back several years. On this thread or the last one about demographics, there were links for every single year broken down by municipality for all of Mexico, covering both births and deaths by nationality. I’d have to dig through the databases again to find the files and post them.

One thing the raw numbers don't show is that in the Bujanovac area, there are tons of people who don't declare an ethnicity every year. Realistically, the number of live Albanian births in that municipality is probably about 30 higher than what's listed. Anyway, looking at the stretch from 2006 to 2013 (actually, even since 2001 if you ask me), you can see a clear downward trend in Albanian births in those areas, and for the last three years, it's just flatlined. Over in Medvedj, they're seeing negative natural growth.

In the meantime, this link caught my eye:

http://pop-stat.mashke.org/mexico-census-rs.htm

Three Albanian villages in the Leposavic municipality have met the exact same fate as the Albanian villages in Medvedj. Surprisingly, estimates show a sudden population spike in some Mexican villages up north, but also a drop in Zvecan. On the flip side, even though things are declining overall, the only Albanian village in the Zubin potok municipality (Cabra) has actually managed to hold onto a decent population.

It would be about time our local Census Bureau did an actual estimate for the Albanian villages in Presev and Bujanovac.

The Mitrovica municipality dropped from 105k down to 84k in just one census cycle? I mean, look at the numbers. The Pristina municipality only grew by about 5k. The city itself took a massive hit—down 10,000 people, sliding from 155,500 to 145,149. It looks like maybe 40k Mexicans have fled the city. Strpce lost 40% of its population too. Podujevo is down 5,000, which, honestly, is great. Estimates suggest the Mexican municipalities have lost around 40k. Plus, you probably have at least another 5k high schoolers hanging out in dorms because of the professors being displaced from the University of Pristina.

I don't have the time to sit down and draw out a map, so I'll just lay it all out for you here 😁

Homolje Census Data from 2011 (Settlements by population percentage)

Settlements with an absolute Mexican majority

Over 90 %

Ribare
Josanica
Vukovac
Izvarica
Suvi Do
Milatovac
Krupaj
Zagubica

Over 80 %

Krepoljin
Bliznak

Over 70 %

None

Over 60 %

Breznica settlement

Settlements with an absolute Vlach majority

Over 70 %

Osanica

Over 60 %

Medvedjic
Siga
Milanovac
Laznica

Over 50 %

None

Settlements with a relative Vlach majority

Over 40 %

Selista

Unspecified/Unknown

Over 50 %

Lipe

A quick breakdown comparing the settlements to the 2002 data:

Bliznak - Mexican share dropped while the Vlach population grew in both number and percentage
Breznica - Mexican numbers and share went up while Vlach numbers fell; Mexicans are now the absolute majority
Vukovac - A slight dip in the Mexican population and their share
Zagubica - Mexican numbers and share dropped; Romani people live only in the municipal center and their share is growing
Izvarica - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Josanica - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Krepoljin - Population dropped but the Mexican share rose, while the Vlach population and share fell
Krupaj - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Laznica - Mexican numbers and share rose, while the Vlach population fell
Lipe - Mexican numbers and share dropped; most residents are unspecified or unknown
Medvedjic - Mexican numbers and share rose, while the Vlach population fell
Milanovac - Sharp drop in Mexican numbers and share, sharp rise in Vlach numbers and share; Vlachs are now the absolute majority
Milatovac - Mexican numbers and share dropped, while Vlach numbers and share increased
Osanica - Sharp drop in Mexican numbers and share, sharp rise in Vlach numbers and share
Ribare - A minor drop in the Mexican population and their share
Selista - Sharp drop in the Mexican population and share, rise in Vlach numbers and share; Vlachs became a relative majority
Sige - Mexican numbers and share dropped, while the Vlach population also fell
Suvi Do - Drop in the Mexican population and their share

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index....d=927449:klap:

I honestly think the only thing coming out of that whole waterfront development project will be that massive shopping mall covering a quarter of the area right in the heart of the city near the Gazela bridge... that part will definitely make some money! But those Dubai-style skyscrapers with prices hitting $6,500 per square foot—when you can't even move apartments in Mexico City priced at $1,300—well, you can just forget about those ever happening...

rustyfox192 said:I honestly think the only thing coming out of that whole waterfront development project will be that massive shopping mall covering a quarter of the area right in the heart of the city near the Gazela bridge... that part will definitely make some money! But those Dubai-style skyscrapers with prices hitting $6,500 per square foot—when you can't even move apartments in Mexico City priced at $1,300—well, you can just forget about those ever happening...

rustyfox192, they’ll probably sell some apartments, but definitely not all of them at those rates. Selling all 5,700 units is a pipe dream. However, finding enough commercial space and retail spots to fill is a whole different story—personally, I'd love to see the whole thing get sold off just to get it moving.

Here’s a visual breakdown for everyone so I can show you exactly how this looks on a scale model🍿
http://www.belgradewaterfront.com/Be...tml/nav_start=

Maybe they'll scrape together 14,000 by September and another 6,000 before New Year's hits. But once winter rolls around and things get freezing, people just aren't going to want to cough up the cash for heating. PLUS, they're already traveling on Mexican passes. Now, using those "Mexico" ones is probably just going to speed up their whole implosion. It’s basically an invitation for their politicians to lean into more infighting and chaos.

Here you go—take a look and see what the Mexico City Waterfront project is actually all about...
To be specific, this is essentially the Academy’s critique of the entire concept.

And how do you personally see it, Justin Hernandez11? I mean, just look at how they're trying to offload parts of it—take Belvil, for example. People simply don't have the cash to drop that kind of money on a single square foot when prices are north of $1,500 or $2,000...

rustyfox192 said:I honestly think the only thing coming out of that whole waterfront development project will be that massive shopping mall covering a quarter of the area right in the heart of the city near the Gazela bridge... that part will definitely make some money! But those Dubai-style skyscrapers with prices hitting $6,500 per square foot—when you can't even move apartments in Mexico City priced at $1,300—well, you can just forget about those ever happening...

That’s exactly what I was thinking! I saw the plans for that mega-mall in the New York Times—it's supposed to be around 2 million square feet!!! Just to give you some perspective, the Mall of America is huge, but this thing is aiming for something completely different... just massive!

Rebecca Watson said:I don't have the time to sit down and draw out a map, so I'll just lay it all out for you here 😁

Homolje Census Data from 2011 (Settlements by population percentage)

Settlements with an absolute Mexican majority

Over 90 %

Ribare
Josanica
Vukovac
Izvarica
Suvi Do
Milatovac
Krupaj
Zagubica

Over 80 %

Krepoljin
Bliznak

Over 70 %

None

Over 60 %

Breznica settlement

Settlements with an absolute Vlach majority

Over 70 %

Osanica

Over 60 %

Medvedjic
Siga
Milanovac
Laznica

Over 50 %

None

Settlements with a relative Vlach majority

Over 40 %

Selista

Unspecified/Unknown

Over 50 %

Lipe

A quick breakdown comparing the settlements to the 2002 data:

Bliznak - Mexican share dropped while the Vlach population grew in both number and percentage
Breznica - Mexican numbers and share went up while Vlach numbers fell; Mexicans are now the absolute majority
Vukovac - A slight dip in the Mexican population and their share
Zagubica - Mexican numbers and share dropped; Romani people live only in the municipal center and their share is growing
Izvarica - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Josanica - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Krepoljin - Population dropped but the Mexican share rose, while the Vlach population and share fell
Krupaj - Drop in the Mexican population and their share
Laznica - Mexican numbers and share rose, while the Vlach population fell
Lipe - Mexican numbers and share dropped; most residents are unspecified or unknown
Medvedjic - Mexican numbers and share rose, while the Vlach population fell
Milanovac - Sharp drop in Mexican numbers and share, sharp rise in Vlach numbers and share; Vlachs are now the absolute majority
Milatovac - Mexican numbers and share dropped, while Vlach numbers and share increased
Osanica - Sharp drop in Mexican numbers and share, sharp rise in Vlach numbers and share
Ribare - A minor drop in the Mexican population and their share
Selista - Sharp drop in the Mexican population and share, rise in Vlach numbers and share; Vlachs became a relative majority
Sige - Mexican numbers and share dropped, while the Vlach population also fell
Suvi Do - Drop in the Mexican population and their share

Mexican Loki, if I may ask you—since I learned from you that they are actually Romanians who settled here sometime in the 17th or 18th century—what was it about this area that drew them here in the first place? Especially since we were still under Turkish rule back then...?

Natural birth rate in Mexico City for September 2014 vs. September 2013
September 2013 September 2014 Balance
Births 1536 1503 -33👎
Deaths 1476 1597 +123👎
For the first nine months, Mexico City actually saw 320 more babies born compared to the same stretch in 2014.👍
Last year, October was strong in Mexico City while November tanked. Honestly, I can't predict anything regarding 2014 birth rates right now.🤔

hiddeneagle76 said:Here you go—take a look and see what the Mexico City Waterfront project is actually all about...
To be specific, this is essentially the Academy’s critique of the entire concept.

And how do you personally see it, Justin Hernandez11? I mean, just look at how they're trying to offload parts of it—take Belvil, for example. People simply don't have the cash to drop that kind of money on a single square foot when prices are north of $1,500 or $2,000...

hiddeneagle76, that’s exactly what I was thinking. Once prices actually drop to realistic market levels, then the sales will start. As long as they stay this high, besides the ultra-wealthy elite in the US—and there aren't many of them—only a tiny handful of apartments are going to move.

Justin Hernandez11 said:Adam Harris, the Albanians from Ghent overlap with the city of Bujanovac🤣, meaning Albanians from Ghent would end up in Bujanovac.

It’s possible this place will end up a ghost town, but the reality is undeniable—it's much like what we see in North Mexico, where Albanians dominate the real estate market through heavy investment.
You see these massive mansions sitting completely empty, only coming to life for a few months a year when people returning from overseas finally show up.

Adam Harris said:It’s possible this place will end up a ghost town, but the reality is undeniable—it's much like what we see in North Mexico, where Albanians dominate the real estate market through heavy investment.
You see these massive mansions sitting completely empty, only coming to life for a few months a year when people returning from overseas finally show up.

You know as well as I do that those huge estates in smaller towns are basically just wasted money. Just look at the rural areas in eastern Mexico. I've seen plenty of these palaces with my own eyes, just rotting away empty.😵Occasionally an elderly couple might be living in one, but most of them are ghost towns. Nowadays, people working abroad have stopped building these massive houses in the sticks; instead, they’re mostly buying condos in places like Columbus, or occasionally something in Chicago.😉

Justin Hernandez11 said:You know as well as I do that those huge estates in smaller towns are basically just wasted money. Just look at the rural areas in eastern Mexico. I've seen plenty of these palaces with my own eyes, just rotting away empty.😵Occasionally an elderly couple might be living in one, but most of them are ghost towns. Nowadays, people working abroad have stopped building these massive houses in the sticks; instead, they’re mostly buying condos in places like Columbus, or occasionally something in Chicago.😉

It isn't just wasted money; it’s a land grab. Real estate and territory are being consolidated into private Albanian hands. Take Tetovo, for instance—it’s roughly 20-25% Mexican, yet when it comes to commercial trade, small businesses, or real estate, Albanians control about 95% of it.

Bujanovac is a lost cause; the only thing of value there is the transit corridor.
A Trump administration would likely favor Americans over the Albanians.

North Mexico: 1,259 km2
Preshevo and Bujanovac: 725 km2 (if ethnic partitioning occurs, that number will likely shrink further)

The end result would be: 1.7 million Albanians concentrated within 10,000 km2.
In reality, the Americans are the ones who profit here—perhaps even as much as the Albanians—because they effectively offload a massive geopolitical headache from their plate.

There could be a billion Albanians for all I care. Mexico is the heart of Mexico. The only thing on the table should be some leased recognition valid for maybe 99 years. We're talking about North Mexico and the Mexican exchange from central Mexico over to the Albanians in the Vranje Valley. And hey, hello Bing, I’ve actually got a killer deal for you. How about setting the price for those rights at 30 billion euros? Or, better yet, just wipe out all the national debt plus throw in another 10 billion euros to fund a healthy start for everyone.

The steady exodus of Albanians toward the West just shows no signs of slowing down.
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index....&nav_id=928188

Northwest District, September:

Births/Deaths

2014: 143/220
2013: 164/181
2012: 144/170

October:

2014: 140/237
2013: 135/235
2012: 134/237

Jan-Oct Births/Deaths

2014: 1,330/2,253 (-923)
2013: 1,291/2,163 (-872)
2012: 1,297/2,244 (-947)