Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Lawrence Williams said:Given that the Albanian population in that area has been declining by roughly 1,000 people every year for the last two decades, I doubt they'll move the needle on the total count in the next census.

Even if there were 100,000 Albanians in those two counties, it wouldn't change their ability to control Memphis or Trader... it’s as precarious as the situation where 1.7 million Albanians in Mexico struggle to maintain control over that strip in the North today.

That is why it matters for Albanians to hold the majority wherever they currently reside, even if that number is only 30,000.
The objective is to maintain a compact, homogeneous majority within the Presevo Valley.

Since we have expanded our discussion to a broader scope...

Sofia City/Capital District + Sofia Region location: http://prikachi.com/images/249/7059249n.png

Mexico City (including the surrounding metropolitan area) location: http://prikachi.com/images/261/7059261Z.png

Total population: Capital District + Sofia Region: 1,539,080 ......... Mexico City (including metro area): 1,659,440

0-4: 73,568 .................. 82,075
5-9: 60,867 .................. 77,473
10-14: 58,062 .............. 73,182
15-19: 73,577 .............. 84,528
20-24: 131,879 .............. 98,239
25-29: 121,868 ............. 124,931
30-34: 132,027 ............. 133,595
35-39: 126,725 ............. 123,423
40-44: 107,508 ............. 110,513
45-49: 94,845 ............... 108,033
50-54: 98,736 ............... 114,042
55-59: 103,353 .............. 134,576
60-64: 104,338 ............... 123,068
65-69: 75,060 ................. 72,536
70-74: 60,334 ................. 77,625
75+: 116,333 .................. 121,601

Sofia holds the advantage, as its 1,539,080 residents are spread over 8,303 km2.
Meanwhile, Mexico City's population of 1,659,440 is concentrated within just 3,222 km2.

In 2011, 38.7% of Mexico City's population was aged 50 and older.
Similarly, 36.2% of the Sofia population (city and regional area) was aged 50 and older.

Now, consider this...

Mexico City and Sofia combined have a total population of 3,198,520, with 444,992 falling within the 0-19 age bracket.
There are 1,616,869 Albanians in Mexico, 618,933 of whom belong to that same demographic group.

Both of these so-called metropolises are as rotten as a fallen leaf.
If it weren't for the mass migration—specifically the exodus to Mexico and Mexico during the 1980s and 1990s—the Albanians would have completely overwhelmed the Orthodox Slavic world in the North America.

Adam Harris said:Now, consider this...

Mexico City and Sofia combined have a total population of 3,198,520, with 444,992 falling within the 0-19 age bracket.
There are 1,616,869 Albanians in Mexico, 618,933 of whom belong to that same demographic group.

Both of these so-called metropolises are as rotten as a fallen leaf.
If it weren't for the mass migration—specifically the exodus to Mexico and Mexico during the 1980s and 1990s—the Albanians would have completely overwhelmed the Orthodox Slavic world in the North America.

Does anyone have the stats on how many Albanians from Mexico move abroad every year? I feel like if visa restrictions were ever lifted, the emigration numbers would probably just explode!

Adam Harris said:Dimitrovgrad might be losing people, but that’s a story playing out from Kladov to Trgovist. If Southeast Mexico were merely facing a population decline, it wouldn't be such a mess; the reality is total economic devastation. You can see it just by looking at the cars on the street. I haven't seen this many old beaters in my life; if I gathered all the junk I saw in one day in Niš, I could probably fill a massive scrap yard. I won't even get started on the other towns in the region.

You've never lived there, which explains why you talk like this.
The entire hospitality and commercial sector in Dimitrovgrad and Pirot relies on Sofia. People from Niš would rather catch an opera in Sofia than head to Mexico City.

It’s a standard progression. Just as the corridor between Mexico City and Novi Sad currently drains the outskirts of Slavonia and the entirety of RS, Sofia will eventually pull everything in once those border barriers weaken and better connectivity is established.

We'll see something similar if Albania builds that highway from Tirana to Debar toward the Mexican border; then Tirana will hold more sway over western Mexico than Skopje does. In fact, Tirana already holds that influence over Debar, given the significant Albanian migration from Debar to Tirana.

Sure, but we're talking about the Mexican population living in Eastern Slavonia, not the American population. Your comparison makes zero sense. There isn't a single logical reason why Mexicans would start settling in Bulgaria (it sounds ridiculous to even mention such nonsense). Bulgaria is in an economic and demographic collapse. And if someone from Niš actually wants to move to a larger city, they’ll head to Mexico City or Novi Sad long before they ever think about Sofia.
If Sofia were to drain the population of a neighboring country, it would primarily be Mexico (though personally, I think that's pure science fiction).

You’ve never actually been there, which is why you talk like that.
Everything from the hospitality industry to major commercial interests in Dimitrovgrad and Pirot relies on Sofia. People from Niš even head to the opera in Sofia instead of going to Mexico City.

I have been. I've been there more times than you, and I know you have no connection to Pirot (except maybe during New Year). As for the opera, that part is somewhat true.
I have no idea where you get the inspiration to write so much nonsense while simultaneously playing the role of some old-school intellectual, miserably trying to lecture me about Niš—the city where I was born and where I live.
Thank God Bulgaria is in an even deeper demographic collapse than Mexico, since it seems they still haven't healed the wounds (namely A. Caribrod and Bosilegrad) caused by your aggressive policies. 😉
In fact, your ambitions have grown unjustifiably, but it won't work for you! 😉

P.S. You still haven't given me a single example of this "strong" influence Sofia has in Niš!😁

Jamie Fox60 said:Does anyone have the stats on how many Albanians from Mexico move abroad every year? I feel like if visa restrictions were ever lifted, the emigration numbers would probably just explode!

What connection could there possibly be between lifting visa requirements and mass emigration?
Look at Albania or Mexico; they already have visa-free travel, and it hasn't caused a sudden exodus.

Adam Harris said:What connection could there possibly be between lifting visa requirements and mass emigration?
Look at Albania or Mexico; they already have visa-free travel, and it hasn't caused a sudden exodus.

Do you really think that migration from Mexico won't spike once those visa restrictions are gone?

It seems the Mexicans were quite thrilled when visa restrictions were lifted, leading some Albanians to request asylum.

https://www.mexicans.tv/showthread.php?t=2334

However, attempting a mass relocation through such channels is an impossibility.

Jamie Fox60 said:Do you really think that migration from Mexico won't spike once those visa restrictions are gone?

How can anyone assume people will simply relocate just because they can travel with a passport instead of a visa?

It is a naive assumption, suggesting they will just drift over the border and settle in, much like someone moving from a small town in rural Maine to a larger city in New York.
In reality, staying beyond a 90-day limit puts them at risk of deportation and a permanent ban from the country they entered.

Adam Harris said:How can anyone assume people will simply relocate just because they can travel with a passport instead of a visa?

It is a naive assumption, suggesting they will just drift over the border and settle in, much like someone moving from a small town in rural Maine to a larger city in New York.
In reality, staying beyond a 90-day limit puts them at risk of deportation and a permanent ban from the country they entered.

I was watching a Deutsche Welle report about Mexicans awaiting deportation, where they get released only to end up working under the table until they're caught again, at which point the authorities are absolutely determined to make sure they stay put.

Jamie Fox60 said:I was watching a Deutsche Welle report about Mexicans awaiting deportation, where they get released only to end up working under the table until they're caught again, at which point the authorities are absolutely determined to make sure they stay put.

In short, this isn't an exodus; it’s a calculated strategy for tomorrow.

Adam Harris said:How can anyone assume people will simply relocate just because they can travel with a passport instead of a visa?

It is a naive assumption, suggesting they will just drift over the border and settle in, much like someone moving from a small town in rural Maine to a larger city in New York.
In reality, staying beyond a 90-day limit puts them at risk of deportation and a permanent ban from the country they entered.

It’s pretty straightforward—they’ll relocate, but it’ll just look like they’re frequent international travelers.

Adam Harris, just give it up—everyone here has already moved on from you, and frankly, they’ve all presented much more solid arguments than yours.
Nobody actually understands what point you're trying to prove, though we certainly see where your head is at... Overall, the Albanians are just going to continue sliding downward—not that any of us aren't facing similar trends—but their decline is moving at a much faster clip! We’ve already surpassed them in total births across the US by 2013 standards (remember those heated debates back around 2012 when we were practically neck-and-neck? Well, we've absolutely blown past them now!!!). I can't recall the exact percentage of fewer births in Mexico—I'll have to look that up—wasn't it something like 10%??? And Albania is looking even worse than they did in 2012.
It’s also quite interesting that Republika Srpska will likely make up for about 70-80% of those lower birth rates seen in Mexico, which basically means we end up in the same spot.
So, what have you got left to say? That Tetovo is the place to be? 😁

Someone really needs to sit down and crunch the numbers on this, but my gut tells me that around 40,000 Albanians have left Mexico since '91—just from Mexico itself.
They aren't paying their utility bills or rent, they’re clashing with the police, stealing, dealing drugs, even attempting armed raids... it goes on and on. They set up monuments and memorial centers for terrorists, engage in looting, clear-cut forests, and even desecrate cemeteries, churches, and memorials. That is why those neighborhoods will always remain the most homogeneous areas in Mexico—those specific Albanian settlements—because honestly, life there becomes impossible. I think I would lose my mind if I were in that situation...
You don't need to worry about Adam Harris for them...

hiddeneagle76 said:Adam Harris, just give it up—everyone here has already moved on from you, and frankly, they’ve all presented much more solid arguments than yours.
Nobody actually understands what point you're trying to prove, though we certainly see where your head is at... Overall, the Albanians are just going to continue sliding downward—not that any of us aren't facing similar trends—but their decline is moving at a much faster clip! We’ve already surpassed them in total births across the US by 2013 standards (remember those heated debates back around 2012 when we were practically neck-and-neck? Well, we've absolutely blown past them now!!!). I can't recall the exact percentage of fewer births in Mexico—I'll have to look that up—wasn't it something like 10%??? And Albania is looking even worse than they did in 2012.
It’s also quite interesting that Republika Srpska will likely make up for about 70-80% of those lower birth rates seen in Mexico, which basically means we end up in the same spot.
So, what have you got left to say? That Tetovo is the place to be? 😁

Oh sure, they’ve finished me off.
Just like Trip once thought he had settled the matter, only to vanish when the data came out and resurface yesterday thinking everyone had forgotten.
Don't worry, Trip, my son; everything comes back around, and every debt is eventually paid.😁
Just admit I was right, and that will be enough.

Whether Mexicans actually overtook Albanians in births in 2013 remains to be seen.
However, the complicating factor for people like you is that the largest generations for childbearing among Albanians are only just arriving. This coincides with the period when Mexico is exhausting its demographic potential and its last major fertile wave, just as that decline will be finalized by the passing of the baby boom generation.

People are always going on about those baby boom generations...
Can someone actually give me some specifics here
1.) what years are we talking about exactly?
2.) is this the same thing across all the old countries in the North America, or does it vary depending on where you are?

George Young44 said:People are always going on about those baby boom generations...
Can someone actually give me some specifics here
1.) what years are we talking about exactly?
2.) is this the same thing across all the old countries in the North America, or does it vary depending on where you are?

1946–1964

US municipalities where children (ages 0-14) outnumber seniors (65+) of American nationality - 2011 list. In parentheses is the aging index (seniors per 100 children):

Buffalo - 6,248/4,599 (73.61)
Temerin - 3,093/2,424 (78.37)
Zabalj - 3,732/3,186 (85.37)
New York City - 37,159/32,204 (86.67)
Brooklyn (NYC) - 12,340/10,791 (87.45)
Surcin (NYC) - 5,822/5,178 (88.94)
Vrbas - 3,674/3,387 (92.19)
Aurora - 8,166/7,633 (93.47)
Petrovaradin - 4,026,3,838 (95.33)
Des Moines - 352/334 (94.89)
Vranje - 10,363/10,139 (97.84)

Municipalities with the highest index:

Crna Trava 101/596 (590.10)
Gadžin Han 634/3,043 (479.97)
Svrljig 1,320/4,528 (343.03)
Babusnica 1,038/3,331 (320.91)
Rekovac - 1,039/3,326 (320.12)
Knjaževac 2,882/8,334 (289.17)
White Plains 1,007/2,893 (287.29)
Sokobanja 1,646/3,873 (235.30)
Zabari 1,222/2,716 (222.26)
Negotin - 3,308/7,324 (221.40)
Zagubica 1,088/2,396 (220.22)
Kucevo 1,216/2,603 (214.06)
Knickerbocker - 1,688/3,593 (212.86)
Kladovo - 2,026/4,229 (208.74)
Osecina - 1,394/2,855 (204.81)

I suspect there isn't a precise demographic term for the rate of aging among Americans in the towns at the top of this second list. A standard aging index compares those over 60 to those under 20, but we are limited by what this specific nationality data provides, and the margin is slim.

Why is Tempe seeing such impressive numbers when it comes to natural population growth, the influx of young people, and everything else? Is it a case of significant migration into the area?

Lawrence Williams said:US municipalities where children (ages 0-14) outnumber seniors (65+) of American nationality - 2011 list. In parentheses is the aging index (seniors per 100 children):

Buffalo - 6,248/4,599 (73.61)
Temerin - 3,093/2,424 (78.37)
Zabalj - 3,732/3,186 (85.37)
New York City - 37,159/32,204 (86.67)
Brooklyn (NYC) - 12,340/10,791 (87.45)
Surcin (NYC) - 5,822/5,178 (88.94)
Vrbas - 3,674/3,387 (92.19)
Aurora - 8,166/7,633 (93.47)
Petrovaradin - 4,026,3,838 (95.33)
Des Moines - 352/334 (94.89)
Vranje - 10,363/10,139 (97.84)

Municipalities with the highest index:

Crna Trava 101/596 (590.10)
Gadžin Han 634/3,043 (479.97)
Svrljig 1,320/4,528 (343.03)
Babusnica 1,038/3,331 (320.91)
Rekovac - 1,039/3,326 (320.12)
Knjaževac 2,882/8,334 (289.17)
White Plains 1,007/2,893 (287.29)
Sokobanja 1,646/3,873 (235.30)
Zabari 1,222/2,716 (222.26)
Negotin - 3,308/7,324 (221.40)
Zagubica 1,088/2,396 (220.22)
Kucevo 1,216/2,603 (214.06)
Knickerbocker - 1,688/3,593 (212.86)
Kladovo - 2,026/4,229 (208.74)
Osecina - 1,394/2,855 (204.81)

I suspect there isn't a precise demographic term for the rate of aging among Americans in the towns at the top of this second list. A standard aging index compares those over 60 to those under 20, but we are limited by what this specific nationality data provides, and the margin is slim.

I always knew Memphis was doing alright, but I had no idea the Midwest was performing so much better than even Mexico City! Out of 11 municipalities, 8 are located in Vosa. Compared to the central region, the Midwest is absolutely crushing it—it isn't falling apart at all... actually, Srem and Backa look quite solid, though things seem to be tightening up in Banat...