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Old souls vs. young souls

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Participants Morgan Bishop4Daniel Murphy11Nicholas Gonzalez8rustymaker5Robert Diaz2casualtiger2Jeffrey Fisher5Justin Garcia7Jacob Sanchez7Ryan Wilson2Michael Gonzalez77Nancy Wilson2Elizabeth Castillo87nimblewolf11Scott Miller4Matthew White4William Roberts3Ronald JonesJohn Evans3
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active MemberOP
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#21 ·
Justin Garcia7 said:Why do you believe everything you read without question? 😁
Where on earth are these spiritualists getting such specific insights and intimate details about the lives of souls?
It’s an interesting read, but I wouldn't try to integrate this kind of knowledge into my life just yet. Honestly, I feel like an old soul—this is probably my final incarnation, and I'm looking forward to moving beyond this material world. Some people might be pushed away from their own path to happiness by this stuff. I've run into similar ideas before, like how "everything is experience" and the universe holds no grudges; even a killer has to go through the experience of being a killer. Personally, I don't buy into absolute predestination. Everyone has the free will to make their own choices and the power to change their lives through their own efforts.

Well, it’s interesting and it’s comforting, damn it.
And obviously, what can regular people actually know about the afterlife and all that jazz? But then again, you hear those stories, like little kids talking about their past lives and whatnot...
But yeah, nobody could possibly track the entire trajectory of a single soul—what they were up to in their youth, their prime, or their twilight years... but it’s still fascinating, isn't it? 🙂
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active Member
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#22 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:Well, it’s interesting and it’s comforting, damn it.
And obviously, what can regular people actually know about the afterlife and all that jazz? But then again, you hear those stories, like little kids talking about their past lives and whatnot...
But yeah, nobody could possibly track the entire trajectory of a single soul—what they were up to in their youth, their prime, or their twilight years... but it’s still fascinating, isn't it? 🙂

Comfort? Since when did you need comfort?
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active MemberOP
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#23 ·
Jacob Sanchez7 said:Comfort? Since when did you need comfort?

See, when people start preaching that whole "you only live once" routine... if it turns out we actually get to go through this loop multiple times, then my conscience isn't going to be giving me any grief for just coasting through this life...😁
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#24 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:See, when people start preaching that whole "you only live once" routine... if it turns out we actually get to go through this loop multiple times, then my conscience isn't going to be giving me any grief for just coasting through this life...😁

But why even bother feeling guilty? You’re making those choices yourself, aren't you! 😉
And hey, if you end up needing to retake the course... well, there's always next time! 😁
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#25 ·
If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁
Robert Diaz2 Robert Diaz2 Member
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#26 ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

This part is totally spot on. Yeah, we're here for the experience, and we should definitely make use of everything this level of existence has to offer, but I guess you have to look at it as using a tool—something useful and constructive to help you reach a goal—rather than getting stuck to it. 🙂

As for why attachment is bad? Honestly, it seems like pure logic to me. If you're white-knuckling your way through life and clinging onto things so tightly, how are you supposed to actually move forward? You just end up hoarding and hoarding stuff that you've already outgrown, and then there's just no room left for anything new to come in. Minimalism is the key, I think.
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#27 ·
Every single soul is an equal part of Nancy. There’s only one Soul, period. No one is older or younger than anyone else—the only thing that actually changes is the specific experience a soul is having right now, or the particular shape and sensations it happens to be wearing at the moment.

"A man lives while a stone just exists—and neither one has any clue about the Truth."
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active Member
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#28 ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

Old souls at the end of a career. It’s almost like watching how stars burn out.

Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

No.

Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

I’ll lean on an Alan Watts parable here:
Life is like falling off a cliff. You’re born at the summit, only for the doctor to toss you straight into the abyss. And while you're plummeting, you spot a rock. You grab onto it with everything you've got. Suddenly, that rock becomes your entire universe. You lose sight of the horizon, the sky, everything else—because you're too busy clutching that damn rock.
You’re going to fall regardless. Whether you're clinging to the rock or not is beside the point. But let’s be clear: the quality of that experience changes entirely if you’re white-knuckling it. If you aren't tethered to the stone, you gain the freedom to actually experience the rock, without being trapped by everything else happening around you.

Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

I have no idea where you're getting this "one soul" concept from. (Though, let's be honest—we’ve already moved past the whole attachment phase.)

Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

Non-attachment isn't about being incapable of experiencing things. It’s actually the opposite. It’s about having more freedom to choose those experiences because you finally have a clear perspective once you stop clinging to them.

The water in the glass is clear. But once you drop some instant coffee in there, you’ve effectively fused the water to the coffee; at that point, the water isn't just clear anymore—it *is* the coffee.

Anything else?

😁
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#29 ·
There are just so many endless "theories" and endless streams of speculation floating around out there—it’s enough to make you want to throw yourself out a window.

Honestly, the best move is to just toss it all aside, take some advice from Alan Watts, and start meditating on the void.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#30 ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:If we accept the premise that there are such things as old and young souls, then who exactly is responsible for manufacturing these "young" ones? Is it not more logical to assume that all souls were brought into existence simultaneously? Furthermore, I fail to see the inherent flaw in attaching oneself to material possessions; why is being unattached considered the only virtuous path?
If this entire world was designed as a playground for a single soul to gain experience, wouldn't it be far more efficient for that soul to embed itself deeply within the material realm to truly exhaust every possible experience?
By what twisted logic is a young soul deemed "better off" unattached to the physical world? Is it simply because they lack the capacity to grasp how to attach themselves and actually undergo the necessary experiences?

Well?

😁

But yeah, it’s true—all souls were created simultaneously, just like everything else happens in one singular, eternal "now." It's just incredibly difficult for us to wrap our heads around that because we're trapped in these rigid categories of space and time, which is why this is the only way we can even attempt to talk about it...
I mean, how am I supposed to fully grasp or accept the idea that there are several versions of rustymaker5 existing across different worlds and different planes of reality, all while being "me"... and not just that I am that one soul, but that I am simultaneously—along with all of you, everyone else here—a single soul that is, in essence, one with what we call absolute energy, or the creator, or God? 🤷

And as for why getting attached to the material world is seen as a problem? That’s just another category we use to navigate life at this level, since nothing is inherently good or bad; things just *are*, based entirely on how we perceive and experience them...
How we see things depends on how much we identify with our physical selves—how much we've forgotten that we are actually a soul inhabiting a body just to gather the specific experiences we're looking for.
It’s like an actor getting so lost in a role that they completely forget they aren't the character, but are just playing them...

As for this whole concept of "young" versus "old" souls, I think we’ve just adapted that language to fit the relativity of the world we inhabit, because the fact remains that babies seem to have a much closer connection to their spiritual nature (though they eventually lose it), so you could argue they represent those "younger" souls. But honestly, I think we categorize them that way mostly based on how much awareness they have regarding their own spiritual essence...🤷
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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#31 ·
Nancy Wilson2 said:There are just so many endless "theories" and endless streams of speculation floating around out there—it’s enough to make you want to throw yourself out a window.

Honestly, the best move is to just toss it all aside, take some advice from Alan Watts, and start meditating on the void.

A lot of people claim they’re speaking the Truth, but our imperfect level of perception messes everything up. It makes us feel like one thing is close while another is far away, or this is the Truth while that is just nonsense. In reality, the only real issue is that we aren't even capable of perceiving it right now.

Someone who actually sees—someone who has realized the Truth—doesn't need to keep circling back to things that try to point out "where" the Truth is located. Personal experience transcends that, even if you catch glimpses of it through someone else's fragments of wholeness. If someone were to reject something as a total delusion, they’d really just be rejecting a tiny sliver of someone else's existence. But if you tie yourself to an opinion, you're stuck in that purely mental realm which is practically nothing, even though it sits behind the entirety of existence—an existence that doesn't need thoughts or words.

So, I don't know if there's anything worth discarding entirely besides the theories in our heads and how we interpret them; everything else simply stands where it always has and will always be. On the flip side, all experiences are essentially illusions until you reach wholeness. They're like a strip of film, playing along until the movie ends—revealing and hiding everything the "film" itself was masking: the whole picture. There is no such thing as half a whole. It's like the soul is wrapped in this "film strip" that hides its true, eternal, and all-encompassing nature. Concepts like "youth" or "old age" only exist within those film strips; what actually happens is the realization of the Soul as a complete entity. These are old concepts regarding the separation of Souls. Meditation is definitely useful for this, but not in a way that creates more divisions—like: "this is meditation," "that is physical life," "this is my thought about meditation and life," and "this is my thought about my thoughts on both." That's not it.
Jacob Sanchez7 Jacob Sanchez7 Active Member
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#32 ·
A mind without thoughts? That’s actually the natural state.
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active MemberOP
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#33 ·
I mean, baby souls are obviously more tethered to the other side, which is probably why they seem so freaking lost in this one. You think maybe people with severe cognitive disabilities could be considered baby souls? Or even animals? Because, you know, they aren't exactly equipped for those deep, existential crises about being alive... it’s more just pure instinct at that point.

But honestly, I don't think we should get too hung up on the material world. Don't get me wrong, we all get attached during our lives—to a specific city, to certain objects, or even to people, who are technically part of the physical world too... but life is just way easier to navigate if you realize everything is temporary. If you live like you're gonna stay forever, like nothing ever changes, like nobody’s ever gonna die, or like some massive conflict isn't gonna pop up tomorrow and wipe everything out... well, I don't know. Some guy might spend his entire life in one tiny town in rural Nebraska, totally unable to detach from that one spot, even if he went through hell there and actually had a chance to move to somewhere like Austin or Seattle to start over and live the life he actually wanted. But he's so stuck on that one place that he can't leave, and then twenty years later, he's just sitting there regretting he didn't bail sooner and crying about how it's too late...
Or whatever... most people just hate change. And I'm not saying we need to flip our whole lives upside down every single day or constantly chase the next big thing, but most people just stick to their habits, and the second things get shaken up, they just lose their minds... you know... like some moms when their kids finally move out of the house—it's like the end of the world, "oh my god, my baby is leaving"... or you have people who just can't let the dead stay dead, for real, they just spend years and years mourning and burying themselves under that grief. Even with the people we love and want by our side forever, sometimes you just have to let them go follow their own path and grow, you don't necessarily have to be tied to them for your entire existence.
And it goes for that shallow kind of materialism, too, like when someone gets obsessively attached to their car, or a piece of jewelry, or their phone, doesn't matter... like when someone dents their car and they're pissed off and acting like a jerk for days, or when they lose their phone and act like they lost a limb. Or, I don't know, losing your cool and snapping at someone because they scuffed your brand new hardwood floors... or even taking it out on your kid over something that stupid.
Robert Diaz2 Robert Diaz2 Member
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#34 ·
rustymaker5 said:But yeah, it’s true—all souls were created simultaneously, just like everything else happens in one singular, eternal "now." It's just incredibly difficult for us to wrap our heads around that because we're trapped in these rigid categories of space and time, which is why this is the only way we can even attempt to talk about it...
I mean, how am I supposed to fully grasp or accept the idea that there are several versions of rustymaker5 existing across different worlds and different planes of reality, all while being "me"... and not just that I am that one soul, but that I am simultaneously—along with all of you, everyone else here—a single soul that is, in essence, one with what we call absolute energy, or the creator, or God? 🤷

And as for why getting attached to the material world is seen as a problem? That’s just another category we use to navigate life at this level, since nothing is inherently good or bad; things just *are*, based entirely on how we perceive and experience them...
How we see things depends on how much we identify with our physical selves—how much we've forgotten that we are actually a soul inhabiting a body just to gather the specific experiences we're looking for.
It’s like an actor getting so lost in a role that they completely forget they aren't the character, but are just playing them...

As for this whole concept of "young" versus "old" souls, I think we’ve just adapted that language to fit the relativity of the world we inhabit, because the fact remains that babies seem to have a much closer connection to their spiritual nature (though they eventually lose it), so you could argue they represent those "younger" souls. But honestly, I think we categorize them that way mostly based on how much awareness they have regarding their own spiritual essence...🤷

I think this analogy is honestly spot on. It's exactly like that. I need to play my part perfectly, like Robert Diaz2 😁, while always keeping in the back of my mind that it's all just a temporary performance.
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#35 ·
Be right back—just one more round of linguistic over-analysis and theoretical nitpicking to get through first.

Self-awareness is, quite frankly, a massive design flaw. Our minds—to put it bluntly—are an absolute liability. It feels as though nature made a catastrophic error in judgment somewhere along the evolutionary line. We have reached this precarious state where we are conscious enough to recognize a distinct "self," yet that very realization leaves us feeling utterly isolated and severed from the rest of existence. Then there is the matter of memory—that internal archive we use to construct a fabricated version of the past—and imagination, which allows us to conjure up a future that doesn't actually exist. We’ve taken certain predictable patterns found in the natural world and used them as a springboard to invent the entire concept of time—specifically this rigid, mechanical way we insist on measuring the duration of our existence. It is all rather absurd when you step back to look at it.

When you aggregate all these factors—plus a few other variables—you eventually arrive at a sobering realization regarding the sheer transience of existence. It stands in direct opposition to those primal impulses and survival instincts inherited from our animal ancestors; those deep-seated drives that dictate we must do absolutely everything in our power just to endure. To live, one must breathe. When the oxygen fails, panic sets in—you struggle, you fight, you suffocate. But how does one truly live while carrying the constant, quiet knowledge that, at some unpredictable moment, that air will simply vanish?

And then, inevitably, fear and panic set in. What comes next? Deep down, most people are drowning in a state of sheer terror and depression. To avoid facing a reality that—let’s be honest—is essentially a collective mental breakdown, we lean on our intellect to find excuses, or even more frequently, to outright invent delusions. We suppress the fear by staying busy, doing anything just to avoid thinking about certain uncomfortable truths. People crave comfort and security in others; they hunt for love. It’s entirely consistent with our animalistic nature—the instinctual belief that belonging to a pack is the only way to ensure survival.

We have essentially manufactured this entirely romanticized, mystified nonsense—this concept we call "love." Throughout the course of human history, poets, painters, and novelists have all been driven—perhaps even controlled—by their own subjective perceptions and fleeting emotional surges. In an attempt to capture these feelings, they’ve utilized poetic, visual, and artistic language to repackage absolute trivialities. The heart symbol is perhaps the most glaring example of this absurdity. People actually took it seriously simply because it felt pleasant; they convinced themselves there was some profound truth hidden within the imagery. Even today, certain individuals cling to these delusions—it makes life feel more beautiful, more spiritual, more meaningful—but at its core, it serves as nothing more than a mask for the actual nature of things.

Make no mistake—this isn't some sentimental discourse about love. This is something far more visceral: we are talking about fundamental fear, raw panic, and the encroaching dark. 😁 It’s truly fascinating. I find myself wondering how many people here have actually bothered to dig into the history of religion and spirituality—to really look beneath the surface. If you take a moment to examine it, everything is remarkably blunt and uncompromising; despite the vast spectrum of philosophies and belief systems, every single one has claimed absolute truth and precision. Even within specific spiritual frameworks, there is surprisingly little consensus regarding the fundamental nature of their own supposedly "divine" philosophies. Take the true nature of Brahman, for example—the answer changes entirely depending on which scholar or mystic you choose to consult. Then there is the origin of the concept of God—specifically the concept of Jesus' God, which bears such striking similarities to the idea of a universal soul, or perhaps more accurately, the internal experience of one's own consciousness. When we consider the sentiment "I and the Father are one," one has to wonder whether that refers to a purely subjective, personal state of being, or if it describes something that actually exists within an external reality. Most people never even stop to ask that question. Given what we know about the physiological and psychological effects of deep states of consciousness—those moments where the sense of self simply dissolves—it seems quite likely that we are talking about nothing more than a profound personal experience.

Everyone seems to be clinging to one fundamental misconception—one that is, quite frankly, rather fascinating in its persistence. It is the delusion of pure dualism: the notion that the soul is something entirely distinct from the body, an entity that remains untouched once the physical vessel is destroyed. There is this persistent idea that the conscious mind exists independently, floating somewhere apart from our biology. It is a fallacy that was debunked a long time ago. Now, let me be clear—there is no doubt that the soul exists. However, whether you call it the soul, the mind, the psyche, or the spirit, these are all just different ways of describing the same thing—the human mind and its vast array of mental functions. And that, of course, undeniably exists.

His relationship with his own body is... complicated, to say the least. Think about it this way—most of us here on the forum spend our lives staring at a computer monitor. Now, if you were to take a marker and a ruler and divide that screen into six equal squares, you'd have six distinct blocks. Those individual squares, when viewed together, constitute the entirety of the monitor.

Now, imagine you start destroying the pixels one by one, leaving just that single block right in the center of your monitor. Once you’ve wiped out all the other blocks, the image vanishes—there is nothing left. And now, you destroy that final, solitary pixel in the middle.

There are essentially two outcomes:

1) The entire image—every pixel and fragment comprising it—will somehow lift off the screen and exist perfectly, entirely independent of the hardware.

2) Everything simply goes to hell.

The relationship between spirit and matter follows this exact logic. Which scenario is more probable? Of course, one could argue it is possible to fuse the two such that the first outcome occurs regardless, but we must ask ourselves what is truly likely.

'The knowing (Self) is not born, it dies not; it sprang from nothing, nothing sprang from it. The Ancient is unborn, eternal, everlasting; he is not killed, though the body is killed.'

So, why did I bother writing that? Because there are certain foundational matters that demand our attention before we attempt to tackle more "advanced" concepts. You cannot bypass the process. We travel from point A to point B; we cannot leap toward a point B that we cannot even see, especially when we haven't identified point A or the path connecting them.

Then there are these various categories of souls—some young, some old, some highly evolved, others not—and all these endless theories regarding reincarnation. People cling to these ideas as absolute truths, yet they are often fundamentally contradictory. We could play the intellectual game and claim that every theory holds a kernel of truth, but who are we to judge? Suppose you take a group of people, place them in separate rooms, and ask them to determine the ultimate truth. Better yet, to stay true to spiritual principles, ask them to follow their hearts, their intuition, and their personal experiences. The chances are high that their conclusions will differ wildly. After all, their individual filters are inherently different. Even if you ran this experiment repeatedly, filtering the results until you reached a consensus...

...if you then conducted the same experiment on the other side of the world and compared the findings, you would find—to anyone's surprise—that they are different. Which is exactly what one would expect. This is precisely why we are faced with such a chaotic sea of information. It seems that perhaps only through direct divine guidance can one discern what is truly accurate and true.

There are actually individuals who have attempted this very thing, claiming they were taught directly by God. Yet, much of their "revelation" fails to align with objective reality. If a hypothesis is disproven through experimentation, then the flaw lies within the initial idea itself.

The Idea: consciousness exists throughout the universe as a scalar system of a single, interconnected awareness, spanning from atoms to galaxies (via dark matter). Sounds brilliant, doesn't it?
The Reality: there are entire galaxies that contain little to no dark matter.
The Result: the idea is flawed.

And yet, I felt it was true. I felt it intuitively. In my mind's eye, I could see how everything connected and how it all looked. That is all there is to it.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#36 ·
🙂 kid! 😍
Nancy Wilson2 Nancy Wilson2 Active Member
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#37 ·
No commentary, no deep philosophical musings, and certainly no clever rebuttals—just a single statement accompanied by a few emojis that should convey my point. What’s the matter, kid? If I were young? Well, yes, I am. And yet, I am not. If we look at it strictly from the perspective of counting the years since the moment I was born, nineteen years have passed. By that metric, I am young.

Now, let’s apply that same temporal measurement system to the actual facts of reality. The "I" that possesses self-awareness wasn't birthed at the exact moment this body was born. That consciousness emerged—or rather, coalesced—over several months. There isn't one precise moment, one specific point in time, where it suddenly snapped into existence. And that's where we run into a problem. Exactly how old am I? Technically, I'm slightly younger than those nineteen years. But by how much? It is impossible to determine.

Or, if we choose to define my age based on the physical body that came into being nineteen years ago, we encounter the same issue. That body is merely a multi-scalar system composed of atoms that are certainly not nineteen years old. For instance, the atoms in my right hand might be two billion years old, forged in some ancient exploded star. Meanwhile, the atoms in my left hand could be three point two billion years old, originating from an entirely different star... the problem seems fairly obvious, doesn't it?

Furthermore, the atoms making up specific parts of my body are constantly being recycled through various biological cycles. This would only complicate the entire matter even further. 😂

But jokes aside, the point I'm trying to make should be clear. Or at least, it ought to be. In the context of what I've just written, it is evident that our method of counting and measuring time is nothing more than a common-sense absurdity—a total fabrication. The concepts of "old" or "young" don't truly exist, or if they do, obsessing over them is somewhat foolish. Ultimately, the point remains: reality is not whatever we wish it to be. And I realize I probably made a few typos; I tend to type quite quickly.
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active Member
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#38 ·
I mean, I kind of find myself nodding along with Nancy Wilson2 on this one—there’s no such thing as "old souls" versus "young souls." It’s really just about where you sit on the consciousness scale. If we’re all fundamentally one big entity in the end, then we’ve gotta be the same age, right? I know, I know... but isn't time itself just a relative concept anyway? Once you move past this rigid 3D perception we're stuck in, the whole idea of aging probably becomes totally irrelevant.
Robert Diaz2 Robert Diaz2 Member
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#39 ·
I think what Nancy Wilson2 was getting at actually makes a lot of sense. I guess people jump into relationships mostly because they're just plain terrified. It's that deep-seated fear of being alone, or even the fear of death, honestly. Most people just end up chasing all these different distractions just so they don't have to face those heavy thoughts at all.

I mean, let’s be real—love is basically just a chemical reaction happening in your brain. It feels like the ultimate glitch in the Matrix, right? Like, the system uses it to build this massive hype, which ultimately just traps people in a cycle of dependency. That's probably why every single movie and song out there is absolutely saturated with romance and love stories. There's this constant, overwhelming pressure everywhere to be in a relationship or tied down in a marriage.
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active Member
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#40 ·
Love is everything, man. It’s the whole damn deal, woven into every single thing we do. It’s just that the word itself feels a little worn out lately, isn't it? I think we’ve all been brainwashed by too many cheesy Hollywood rom-coms trying to sell us a version of it that doesn't actually exist in the real world.

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