Is God the subconscious?

mistysailor23 said:I agree. Through deep self-analysis, we can improve our own lives and even the lives of those around us. First, we need the awareness to realize something isn't quite right with us, then we have to find the bug in the software and attempt to correct that behavioral pattern. It's pretty straightforward. That’s just a common-sense approach to the problem.
But when people claim that the subconscious is God... 🙄

Honestly, forget what everyone else is saying. Just quiet down for a second, ask yourself some questions, and listen to the response coming from your solar plexus.🙂 If you're interested, I could send over some materials for, hm, let's call it mind consolidation and expanding your perception. It's one of the simplest things I know—you work through it on your own, and there's no prior knowledge required, other than reading the instructions on what everything is for and which "position" affects what.
And if you want, I could walk you through what the subconscious actually is using your own example—it's pretty helpful.🙂

vividrider472 said:Honestly, forget what everyone else is saying. Just quiet down for a second, ask yourself some questions, and listen to the response coming from your solar plexus.🙂 If you're interested, I could send over some materials for, hm, let's call it mind consolidation and expanding your perception. It's one of the simplest things I know—you work through it on your own, and there's no prior knowledge required, other than reading the instructions on what everything is for and which "position" affects what.
And if you want, I could walk you through what the subconscious actually is using your own example—it's pretty helpful.🙂

Please, just send them over.

vividrider472 said:Hey everyone.🙂

Trying to pray to your subconscious is kind of a lost cause, really—mostly because that part of the mind is packed with what we call limiting beliefs, patterns, or old programming. And let's face it, those things usually hold more sway over us than our conscious thoughts do. We can influence that subconscious content through intentional action to eventually shift our conscious reality, but it’s a pretty complex process.
Wherever we run into trouble in life, you can bet there are some limiting subconscious programs at play. Someone trying to heal might be fighting one or more deep-seated ideas, like "I don't deserve to get better" or "I'd rather just give up." You usually uncover these through various psychological techniques. People who know their stuff can work through this on their own, though most people see a therapist. That said, there is a simple way to at least identify which beliefs are holding you back, which makes taking next steps much easier. If anyone's interested, I'm happy to write more about it.🙂

Please do write it 🍿

I've definitely had a few moments where reading Murphy left me scratching my head too.

There's always more to learn. 😁

Subconscious?? Subconscious???? 😕

I read that book back when I was just a kid. Man, the way it's written is totally hypnotic! It really hits you... 🙂

I used to buy into all that too 🙄
But after experiencing a real "shift"—or what people call a "breakthrough" now—I just can't wrap my head around what most folks mean when they talk about the subconscious.

The way I see things now, there's NO such thing as a "subconscious" in the way everyone else defines it.

There's no subconscious, no Superconsciousness, no unconsciousness, no super-awareness, no Divine consciousness, or any other flavor of consciousness! Why do we have to dig so deep and overcomplicate this Simple Consciousness with all these layers, levels, degrees, and dimensions? You can't just split consciousness up into different "classes" or whatever!
Consciousness is everything and everyone!
There is only Consciousness which is aware, but also happens to be aware of all the different explanations it gives itself 🙂.

You could say that Consciousness kind of "limits" itself (just playing around a bit here 🤣 ) as "Something," like the "subconscious." Just Consciousness being limited AS "subconscious"

There's no sub-Consciousness and no super-Consciousness.
In front of it, nobody is special or suppressed, nothing is superior or inferior, and there are no higher or lower states. There's just Consciousness that has temporarily "shaped" itself into something like being Human. And being human is just Consciousness "limited" to a human form.

Just Consciousness.....

.......................................AllIsness

William Roberts3 said:Subconscious?? Subconscious???? 😕

I read that book back when I was just a kid. Man, the way it's written is totally hypnotic! It really hits you... 🙂

I used to buy into all that too 🙄
But after experiencing a real "shift"—or what people call a "breakthrough" now—I just can't wrap my head around what most folks mean when they talk about the subconscious.

The way I see things now, there's NO such thing as a "subconscious" in the way everyone else defines it.

There's no subconscious, no Superconsciousness, no unconsciousness, no super-awareness, no Divine consciousness, or any other flavor of consciousness! Why do we have to dig so deep and overcomplicate this Simple Consciousness with all these layers, levels, degrees, and dimensions? You can't just split consciousness up into different "classes" or whatever!
Consciousness is everything and everyone!
There is only Consciousness which is aware, but also happens to be aware of all the different explanations it gives itself 🙂.

You could say that Consciousness kind of "limits" itself (just playing around a bit here 🤣 ) as "Something," like the "subconscious." Just Consciousness being limited AS "subconscious"

There's no sub-Consciousness and no super-Consciousness.
In front of it, nobody is special or suppressed, nothing is superior or inferior, and there are no higher or lower states. There's just Consciousness that has temporarily "shaped" itself into something like being Human. And being human is just Consciousness "limited" to a human form.

Just Consciousness.....

.......................................AllIsness

I’m with you—there is only Consciousness. It might consciously limit itself, sure, but not on this specific level of existence. All those other terms are just things people made up to define certain areas where Consciousness is more or less absent, including all the different ways that absence can look. Most people probably won't get what you're saying about Consciousness once you've already moved past the basic concepts.
The terms we use are really just tools—kind of like landmarks to help us start understanding. They have their practical uses, even if they can be misleading or confusing. But even that serves a purpose—it eventually nudges you to go looking for Yourself within, or rather, seeking unity/Consciousness within the individual, whenever you're ready for that search.

Anyway, I'll just leave that here—letting time settle it...

Consciousness is just one single thing, and that’s God...

But once God starts branching out into a million different directions, consciousness kind of looks like it’s splitting up too.

I guess you could say the average person's mind is split into pieces—like conscious thought, the subconscious (your personality), and the unconscious (destiny). Or maybe we’re just drifting from being wide awake into dreams, then falling into a deep sleep... basically, you could call Consciousness a trinity. I mean, I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that God is viewed as a trinity, too.

When those walls finally come down and those three layers merge back into one, that's when you hit that state of samadhi or flow, where the subject, the object, and the whole process of knowing become one single thing.

Alright, let's look at this—there is definitely this one all-encompassing Superconsciousness that connects every single one of us to everything else. But when people start chatting about different levels of consciousness—you know, those layers or perceived divisions—they’re usually talking about what a specific level actually holds, or what's essentially "stuck" to it. Think of it like this: there could be things tucked away in the unconscious or the subconscious that our everyday awareness just can't quite reach for some reason. It’s that process where intuition, sudden insights, or random flashes of information bubble up from the unconscious through the subconscious and finally break into our normal, waking state. Honestly, I think we might have gotten a little tangled up with the labels like consciousness, subconsciousness, unconsciousness, and Superconsciousness. At the end of the day, isn't it really more about the *content*—the stuff we are or aren't aware of? So, it's probably less about the nature of consciousness itself and more about how far our awareness actually reaches into that content.

Shouldn't God actually be the SUPERSOUL! (the superego)!

Pierre Riffard

SUPERSOUL, SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, TRANSCENDENCE

"A vast number of revelations that transcend and surpass the conscious activities of the soul should be placed not beneath, but above consciousness. Specifically, the subconscious—the infra-consciousness—corresponds to the level of the *nafs ammara* [the lower soul], whereas the supersoul or superconsciousness corresponds to the level of the *nafs mutmainna* [the tranquil soul] [teachings of Najmoddin Cobra, circa 1220]." Henry Corbin, *L'homme de lumiere dans le soufisme iranien*, 1961, Medici Library, p. 145.

It’s funny how metapsychologists often unconsciously use metaphors—comparing the infra-conscious to infrared, the conscious to the visible spectrum, and the superconscious to ultraviolet. It's from that supersoul where prophetic dreams, visions, sudden flashes of inspiration, and true intuition all originate....

Honestly, you’re overmystifying this to an absurd degree, and frankly, it’s a bit much. Whether you call it the unconscious or prefer the term power of your subconscious—if you really want to lean into that terminology—we are simply talking about cognitive processes within the brain that we aren't actively aware of. This represents the vast majority of our mental landscape; the conscious part of the mind we actually experience is merely the tip of the iceberg, while the overwhelming bulk remains submerged beneath the surface. There isn't anything mystical about it—good grief, think about how many complex neurological functions are firing in your brain at this very second without you even noticing.

And regarding these "levels"... the term subconscious is actually technically incorrect, precisely because of that distinction. It implies a hierarchy—that there are distinct layers stacked above or below consciousness. In reality, there are no such tiers. It isn't a ladder; it’s all one single, unified mind. It’s just that the spotlight of our attention and awareness is focused on one tiny sliver of the wall—one minuscule fragment of who we actually are.

Justin Anderson3 said:If you’ve ever picked up Joseph Murphy’s "Power of Your Subconscious Mind," then you know exactly where I’m going with this.
I actually really liked the book. The core concept—that whatever we imprint on our subconscious through our thoughts, feelings, and beliefs eventually manifests as our reality... it shapes everything we go through. It’s pretty wild when you think about it.
But lately, I’ve been falling down a rabbit hole of reviews, and one particular critique really stuck in my craw. It goes something like this: "The Power of Your Subconscious Mind takes Hermeticism and repackages it as applied psychology, pushing New Age principles that spread like wildfire among Christian readers. Instead of praying to God, his methods suggest you're essentially just praying to your own subconscious"—that's what the priest Josip Blažević wrote in his book, "New Age Prophets."
The thing is, since he uses so many religious texts and keeps bringing up God, it feels like he’s throwing God and the subconscious into the same bucket. I just don't get it... are God and the subconscious supposed to be the same thing? 😕?

Murphy actually laid this out pretty clearly. He drew a parallel between the sheer strength of faith and those "miraculous divine" healings you hear about so much in Protestant circles.
At the end of the day, it’s really just the human capacity for self-healing—which sometimes works to fix the body, and sometimes doesn't. And when it fails? Well, then they tell you your faith just wasn't strong enough. But look, faith isn't everything. We're made of blood and bone... which is plenty of evidence that biology plays a massive role in our lives, too.

First off, you have to consider how you define God. If you're looking at it through a traditional Abrahamic lens, your question is pushing the limits of good taste—because in that framework, there is strictly the divine and the diabolical. There’s no room for "personal ownership" (aka the subconscious) in that setup.
You’ve basically got two choices: left or right.

But if you have a bit more of a free spirit and view God as non-anthropomorphic, then as an absolute creator, He has to be present in every single atom and particle at every moment. If that's the case, then consciousness itself is just a part of the whole entity called God.
In that scenario, there isn't even a debate... God is everything—the "good," the "bad," consciousness... and the unconscious.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:Shouldn't God actually be the SUPERSOUL! (the superego)!

Pierre Riffard

SUPERSOUL, SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, TRANSCENDENCE

"A vast number of revelations that transcend and surpass the conscious activities of the soul should be placed not beneath, but above consciousness. Specifically, the subconscious—the infra-consciousness—corresponds to the level of the *nafs ammara* [the lower soul], whereas the supersoul or superconsciousness corresponds to the level of the *nafs mutmainna* [the tranquil soul] [teachings of Najmoddin Cobra, circa 1220]." Henry Corbin, *L'homme de lumiere dans le soufisme iranien*, 1961, Medici Library, p. 145.

It’s funny how metapsychologists often unconsciously use metaphors—comparing the infra-conscious to infrared, the conscious to the visible spectrum, and the superconscious to ultraviolet. It's from that supersoul where prophetic dreams, visions, sudden flashes of inspiration, and true intuition all originate....

I mean, probably! Otherwise, we’re just talking about some personified deity with a pretty thin ego, right?

Pierre Riffard

SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, SUPERSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, TRANSSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS

In my view, anything regarding these three—or any others like them—that we aren't personally aware of falls squarely into the realm of the unconscious.
That superconscious or divine realm of awareness 😁 is mostly tucked away in our unconscious territory. I guess supersuperconsciousness would imply being aware of every single level of consciousness, right? And then there's transsuperconsciousness—now, that one really caught my eye, even with my limited conscious mind 😁! It feels like it might be a synonym, or at least very close, to transpersonal consciousness (someone please correct me if I've got that wrong!).
To be honest, I haven't come across the term TRANSSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS before—not that I can recall, anyway. This is actually quite important to me, so thanks Benjamin Taylor6! 🙂

nimblewolf11 said:I mean, probably! Otherwise, we’re just talking about some personified deity with a pretty thin ego, right?

Pierre Riffard

SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, SUPERSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS, TRANSSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS

In my view, anything regarding these three—or any others like them—that we aren't personally aware of falls squarely into the realm of the unconscious.
That superconscious or divine realm of awareness 😁 is mostly tucked away in our unconscious territory. I guess supersuperconsciousness would imply being aware of every single level of consciousness, right? And then there's transsuperconsciousness—now, that one really caught my eye, even with my limited conscious mind 😁! It feels like it might be a synonym, or at least very close, to transpersonal consciousness (someone please correct me if I've got that wrong!).
To be honest, I haven't come across the term TRANSSUPERCONSCIOUSNESS before—not that I can recall, anyway. This is actually quite important to me, so thanks Benjamin Taylor6! 🙂

I wasn't aware there were quite this many different terms either. The reality is that we tend to find the superconscious much more fascinating than the subconscious. It’s because the superconscious acts as a "repository" for everything good, whereas the subconscious is just a cluttered storage unit for everything and anything—usually consisting of nothing but old traumas!

What flows from the superconscious is this: In 1904, he penned the "book of law," which was allegedly dictated to him by an entity known as Aiwass, appearing after the invocation of the Egyptian god Horus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

It is the subconscious that actually holds the reins, controlling us in ways we desperately want to avoid because it keeps us shackled:http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/how-to-overcome-subconscious-blocks

Ugh, nothing but software. Let's switch things up with some hardware for once:

mistygull16 said:Consciousness is just one single thing, and that’s God...

But once God starts branching out into a million different directions, consciousness kind of looks like it’s splitting up too.

I guess you could say the average person's mind is split into pieces—like conscious thought, the subconscious (your personality), and the unconscious (destiny). Or maybe we’re just drifting from being wide awake into dreams, then falling into a deep sleep... basically, you could call Consciousness a trinity. I mean, I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that God is viewed as a trinity, too.

When those walls finally come down and those three layers merge back into one, that's when you hit that state of samadhi or flow, where the subject, the object, and the whole process of knowing become one single thing.

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.
The Observer, the Observation, and the observed.
.......................

"3" = 1
1 : 3 = 1
1 = "3"

"Three" = The Whole
One divided by three = An apparent Trinity, a "split" Wholeness
One = A Wholeness that just looks like three...

Benjamin Taylor6 said:I wasn't aware there were quite this many different terms either. The reality is that we tend to find the superconscious much more fascinating than the subconscious. It’s because the superconscious acts as a "repository" for everything good, whereas the subconscious is just a cluttered storage unit for everything and anything—usually consisting of nothing but old traumas!

What flows from the superconscious is this: In 1904, he penned the "book of law," which was allegedly dictated to him by an entity known as Aiwass, appearing after the invocation of the Egyptian god Horus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

It is the subconscious that actually holds the reins, controlling us in ways we desperately want to avoid because it keeps us shackled:http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/how-to-overcome-subconscious-blocks

I am in complete agreement with this bold statement. My take is that all our fears—or rather, the roots of those fears, like hatred, jealousy, possessiveness, or greed—stem from those dark, hidden corners of our psyche. They dictate how we make decisions throughout our lives. To put it bluntly, that "subconscious" feels less like my God and more like my own little devil. My God, as Benjamin Taylor6 suggests, would be a higher superconscious offering a clear, realistic vision of life—one where there is absolutely no room or reason to coexist with some outdated, petty demon.

Simply becoming aware that these specific traumas exist within our consciousness is already half the battle in cleaning out those dusty corners.
In fact, that is the very essence of doing the work on oneself.

I’m still waiting for vividrider472 to give me a more detailed briefing on the matter. ☕

The subconscious isn't some fourth dimension or whatever... it's more like the barrier finally breaking down between those three layers of consciousness we already have.

William Roberts3 said:The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.
The Observer, the Observation, and the observed.
.......................

"3" = 1
1 : 3 = 1
1 = "3"

"Three" = The Whole
One divided by three = An apparent Trinity, a "split" Wholeness
One = A Wholeness that just looks like three...

Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

mistysailor23 said:I am in complete agreement with this bold statement. My take is that all our fears—or rather, the roots of those fears, like hatred, jealousy, possessiveness, or greed—stem from those dark, hidden corners of our psyche. They dictate how we make decisions throughout our lives. To put it bluntly, that "subconscious" feels less like my God and more like my own little devil. My God, as Benjamin Taylor6 suggests, would be a higher superconscious offering a clear, realistic vision of life—one where there is absolutely no room or reason to coexist with some outdated, petty demon.

Simply becoming aware that these specific traumas exist within our consciousness is already half the battle in cleaning out those dusty corners.
In fact, that is the very essence of doing the work on oneself.

I’m still waiting for vividrider472 to give me a more detailed briefing on the matter. ☕

Hey, sorry for the wait—didn't forget! I'll be around later tonight and will get that written up.🙂

mistygull16 said:The subconscious isn't some fourth dimension or whatever... it's more like the barrier finally breaking down between those three layers of consciousness we already have.

Forgive me, but I’m talking about a single unified consciousness here. To me, the subconscious and the unconscious are just different sides of the same coin—my own awareness. Superconsciousness, on the other hand, feels more like a flash of pure, luminous insight...

So, get this—for the longest time, we were all under the impression that the universe was basically just 4% atomic matter that we actually recognize, maybe 23% dark matter, and then the rest—about 73%—was just... empty space, right? At least, that's what the scientists used to tell us before they realized they were totally off base. Turns out, that 73% isn't just a big, lonely void; it's actually dark energy. Think of it less like "nothingness" and more like a massive, underlying nervous system that’s woven through every single thing that exists in the cosmos. It completely flips the script on how we view everything—it's this wild idea that everything in existence is fundamentally interconnected.

Check out this image if you want to wrap your head around what I'm getting at.