Is God the subconscious?

Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:So, get this—for the longest time, we were all under the impression that the universe was basically just 4% atomic matter that we actually recognize, maybe 23% dark matter, and then the rest—about 73%—was just... empty space, right? At least, that's what the scientists used to tell us before they realized they were totally off base. Turns out, that 73% isn't just a big, lonely void; it's actually dark energy. Think of it less like "nothingness" and more like a massive, underlying nervous system that’s woven through every single thing that exists in the cosmos. It completely flips the script on how we view everything—it's this wild idea that everything in existence is fundamentally interconnected.

Check out this image if you want to wrap your head around what I'm getting at.

Actually, that’s not quite right. The dark energy responsible for that negative gravitational effect—the force driving the accelerated expansion of space—is that ~70% chunk. What you described above, Nicholas Gonzalez8, is actually dark matter. You’ve mixed up your terms slightly—not a huge deal, really—but I figured I should set the record straight.

mistysailor23 said:Forgive me, but I’m talking about a single unified consciousness here. To me, the subconscious and the unconscious are just different sides of the same coin—my own awareness. Superconsciousness, on the other hand, feels more like a flash of pure, luminous insight...

I'm coming at this from a yoga and Advaita perspective, mostly because it just feels like the most logical way to wrap my head around things.

So, if I look at it from that angle, I'll try to bridge the gap between the traditional teachings and my own weird little take on it.

To me, everything is just Consciousness. So even what we call "matter" is basically an illusion—kind of like how particles or a continuum don't really exist in the way we think they do.
Consciousness is consciousness, sure, but the stuff we can't control is the subconscious, since that's where our impressions come from, which then dictates our behavior—basically, our character.
If we accept things like circumstances, fate, or the law of karma, then all of that lives within the space of the unconscious.

Meditation kind of breaks down the walls between those three layers of awareness until everything merges into one single consciousness. In that state, it becomes supersconsciousness because the unconscious and subconscious have finally synced up with the conscious mind.

Basically, meditation leads us back to the source where the subject, the object, and the process all become one thing (back to that trinity concept again). See, our intellectual understanding is just... well, intellectual, obviously. But meditative realization—specifically samadhi—is actually merging with the object being known and the process of knowing itself.

Anyway, back to the objective world. Advaita brings up the number three again. The world is the feminine aspect of God (you know, maternal, concrete, giving birth to us, feeding us...) and we call it Nature (Prakriti). There are three main qualities to the world (nature), the gunas: sattva, rajas, and tamas. I usually translate them as information, energy (movement/action), and inertia (mass).

If you tried to break matter down, you'd eventually hit atoms, but they aren't anything like the little circles we draw in science class. Those are just mathematical models. In reality, they're just sources of various forces, and those sources all have some kind of relationship with each other.

vividrider472 said:Hey everyone.🙂

Trying to pray to your subconscious is kind of a lost cause, really—mostly because that part of the mind is packed with what we call limiting beliefs, patterns, or old programming. And let's face it, those things usually hold more sway over us than our conscious thoughts do. We can influence that subconscious content through intentional action to eventually shift our conscious reality, but it’s a pretty complex process.
Wherever we run into trouble in life, you can bet there are some limiting subconscious programs at play. Someone trying to heal might be fighting one or more deep-seated ideas, like "I don't deserve to get better" or "I'd rather just give up." You usually uncover these through various psychological techniques. People who know their stuff can work through this on their own, though most people see a therapist. That said, there is a simple way to at least identify which beliefs are holding you back, which makes taking next steps much easier. If anyone's interested, I'm happy to write more about it.🙂

I am actually quite interested in this as well. I was just thinking about it myself and considering starting a new thread on how to go about reprogramming.

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Jack Bennett4 said:I am actually quite interested in this as well. I was just thinking about it myself and considering starting a new thread on how to go about reprogramming.

That’s great—I love seeing that people are actually interested in this. Honestly, it would be even better if someone could take these ideas and actually put them to work toward some real reprogramming.🙂
So far, I've had five girls and two guys reach out—I actually chatted with them privately about some of the issues they were bringing up. Only one guy really took the initiative, though. We did a mock interview together, and he’s been putting my advice into practice—slowly but surely, things are starting to shift.

Here’s how I see it—if we're carrying around limiting beliefs or old programming, they basically act as a roadblock to anything we actually intend to achieve consciously. To figure out what's actually running in our subconscious (honestly, I don't care what you call that part of the mind—I just want to know what's in there and how useful the info is), I like using kinesiology for body testing. There are a few ways to go about it, but my usual routine is pretty simple: first, make sure you're hydrated—grab a glass of water before you start. Then, just stand steady and face North. Say "YES" out loud—you can even close your eyes if you want—and just wait for your body to shift. Just... don't force the movement yourself!
A body movement that means "YES" is leaning forward—if it doesn't work right away, we just try again until it does. We’ll do the same thing for "NO"—just say it out loud and wait for the lean backward. These movements help us test any claim, always using an affirmative statement—nothing negative, and nothing phrased as a question.

So, I want to see if my subconscious actually believes that I want—and am capable of—being happy, healthy, loved, successful, and supported. To really test that, I think we need to break everything down and state each intention individually—like, for example:

I just want to be happy—healthy, loved, successful, accepted, supported... one step at a time.
I guess I can be happy... —just a thought—but who knows?
I deserve to be happy—really.
It’s just... well, you know.

Whenever we state an intention, we’re essentially waiting for that physical nudge—that subtle "yes" or "no" from our body (though sometimes it stays totally neutral). That’s the subconscious at work—not really us on a conscious level, though many of those programs can be positive. It's the limiting ones that cause trouble. Think of it like a radio station constantly broadcasting its own signal—which is just the sum of all our beliefs—and that broadcast becomes our reality. Once we pinpoint which programs are holding us back, we can actually start working on them; changing them shifts our entire energetic field, which changes the energy we use to pull certain situations, people, and life events toward us.

It really all starts with the basics—I love myself. If that answer is a "no," then we move on to checking if it's more like "I hate myself." Also, "I am a masochist" is a pretty common program, too.
Moving forward—I’m working on accepting myself and knowing my own worth... I'm also learning how to feel truly respected and loved by those around me.

Thinking about schooling and exams—here’s a quick real-world example based on a situation someone I know ran into:

I’m looking to take my exams—or maybe just graduate—soon.
I can...
Haha, I can't help but laugh...
I know how...
I’m honestly feeling a bit anxious about my upcoming exams—just that nagging fear of not passing or being able to graduate on time.
I'm capable...

I'd like to think I'm pretty sharp—just my two cents.
I'm just being silly—honestly, I feel a bit slow today.

I'm feeling pretty motivated to dive into some learning lately—just one of those moods.
Learning actually makes sense—it really does.
I'm diving into my studies with everything I've got—really putting in the work.
I just want to learn—and actually make it stick.
I can learn—or more like, I can memorize.
I always end up blanking on everything right before an exam—it’s like my brain just hits reset.

Does a degree actually matter? — Honestly, I think there's still plenty of value in it, though the world is changing fast.
Honestly—I feel like I’m just spinning my wheels at this university.
this college is a total mistake
this degree is honestly killing me

the professor is just clueless—or maybe they're just arrogant and blocking my progress
I can actually communicate well with my professor
I know how to handle communication with them...
I feel comfortable talking to my professor without any fear

I'm feeling calm and focused during exams
I can stay calm and focused...
I really want to be...
I know how to be...
my focus tends to slip pretty easily

I'm terrified of exams
I'm intimidated by the professors

I'm scared of being on my own once I graduate
I'm worried about the responsibilities after graduation
once I get that diploma, I'll be totally lost

I'm an optimist
I'm a pessimist

Here’s a few thoughts on relationships—though, honestly, everything starts with how we view ourselves, like whether we actually love, respect, or accept who we are first.

I can have a happy relationship
I want...
I am allowed to...
I deserve...
I'm terrified of being in a relationship
I know what it feels like to love—and to be loved
I know how to make a relationship work
I am interesting/attractive—or maybe I'm just stupid/boring/pathetic
I am worthy
My behavior is shameful/pitiful...
Women are stupid/exhausting/demanding/a burden...
Men are...
Women/men can be trusted
I hate women/men
I am a masochist—as weird as that sounds, people hold onto this belief more often than you'd think

And pretty much anything else—limiting beliefs can be the strangest things, sometimes ones you wouldn't even believe someone could actually hold.

Working on the subconscious basically means becoming aware of the emotions tied to specific events or relationships—and then actually integrating them. You can do this through various methods, like what people often call "digging." This involves using a very specific set of questions to guide someone beneath their conscious mind—which, let’s face it, tends to just loop the same old patterns over and over. Ideally, you want to hit those lower alpha or even theta brainwave frequencies—that sweet spot right before you drift off to sleep—to let the answers float up from the subconscious. You can reach that state through certain breathing techniques—which anyone can do—or by how you approach meditation and energy work. The goal during these sessions is for the person to vocalize the emotions as they arise and link them back to specific situations, eventually tracing everything back to a core belief.
It's definitely easier with a therapist, though you can totally do it solo if you practice a bit.

Another great way to clear out the subconscious is through "shadow work"—directly tackling traits we dislike, reject, or feel ashamed of in ourselves (or in others). It makes the conversation much more straightforward, but you still have to ride through those emotional waves until things settle. This method is actually a bit easier to tackle alone, but you need grit—it can take hours if you're dealing with something heavy. Feel free to take breaks or just pick it up again the next day when you're feeling less drained. I'd suggest starting with something smaller and less painful just to get a feel for the process.

Affirmations can work too, but you really have to test them to see if they're actually doing anything. Other alternative techniques are helpful as well.

Once you've worked through something, you check your beliefs again to see how much has shifted. But honestly? The best way to tell is through your reality—how you actually show up for yourself and others afterward.

If anyone has questions, please ask—I don't want to write a novel for no reason! If you want to know how to apply this to your own life, I'm happy to walk you through it using your specific example, but let's stick to Skype or a phone call—I just don't have enough time to type it all out. So, yeah, I'm here.

Oh, and there's some good reading material out there if you're interested.🙂

Just one more little thing—beliefs can actually be pulled out and swapped for their opposites using energetic shifts, almost like "adjustments" within your energy field. But honestly, it’s usually just temporary—if you don't truly bring things into awareness and integrate them, that old programming is eventually going to crawl right back in.

Oh, I forgot to mention—it’s actually quite helpful, at least at first, to practice some form of thought control while you're working toward that baseline mental peace through deeper changes. Otherwise, the mind just keeps babbling away, constantly reinforcing all those harmful patterns. That includes cutting out negative phrasing entirely, since the subconscious (more often than not) tends to get tripped up by negations. Like, if you say, "I don't want to be broke," you're actually just broadcasting a program for the exact opposite.

🙂 Don't hate me, I just have to weigh in, I really don't mean any harm...

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

But what do we actually know??? 🤷 Look, I KNOW that statement, period!!!
There’s zero math logic involved here?! An actual math professor would kick me out of class instantly, though man, that would be hilarious to watch. 🤣
Sure, I’m offering an obvious lie, but I'm also offering an obvious truth. A truth so simple and blatant that even the most brilliant, genius minds can't grasp it! That's why they need all that complicated, defining, analytical, heavy mental industry. But despite all that, it isn't THAT.🙂 And the lie is obvious because you're expressing yourself through it. 😉

There's no truth left when "Truth" is "figured out" <----- Just try not to blow a fuse thinking about that one.

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

So you're judging my expression from a Catholic perspective? 🙂
Do I even need to respond to that???

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

That's a fair, respectful answer! I'll write about them if the need arises.
Basically, they are just symbols of the "complementary" "forces" of Consciousness. Just a description...

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

🤷 Why even say anything besides "you're overcomplicating it"? It’s honestly just one simple thing...

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

It's just a metaphor! Like a signpost pointing to something way beyond the third concept...
It's like that whole finger pointing at the moon thing... if you point at the word "chicken," is it actually a chicken, or are we just agreeing that it's a chicken? ...

God has an endless, infinite number of faces, and honestly, three isn't even close to enough... that’s just a way to describe the different attributes of Consciousness. It’s like this diamond with infinite facets—some are brilliant and sparkling, others are dull or rough, and you just can't even wrap your head around all the variations. But the best part is that those faces aren't separate from the diamond itself...

mistysailor23 said:Don't take this the wrong way—I have to comment, and I mean no harm.
Why is it that whenever we encounter an omnipresent Trinity, we try to explain it in a way that makes us forget everything we actually knew? Our mathematical logic simply doesn't square with that statement. Honestly, trying to make sense of claims like these is enough to drive a person mad. You’re offering me an obvious falsehood as a definition for everything, but by that very definition, everything becomes a lie and truth ceases to exist.

From a Catholic standpoint—where any claim lacking a biblical foundation is considered occultism—this kind of assertion falls right into that category. It’s pulling its roots from Greek philosophical thought rather than scripture.

I don't truly know Brahma, Vishnu, or Shiva, so a deeper commentary on them would be pointless.

However, I do like this part: The Observer, the Act of Observation, and the object being observed.
There’s a certain point here regarding the mechanics of sight that allows us to perceive an object. You’ve reduced the entire process down to two objects and one action, but in reality, what you see depends on so much more. For instance, the color of the light hitting the object... or if it's pitch black, there is no observation at all. You could stare until you're blue in the face and see absolutely nothing.

And if one God truly has multiple faces, then surely there aren't just three, but an infinite number (from a human perspective, anyway).

If we look at a 2D triangle, it comes out as the most perfect structural shape, and we can fit it inside a circle.
Now, try imagining a 3D object with only three flat sides and attempt to fit it inside a sphere. For example, a tetrahedron has four sides, which is the absolute minimum. Now, maybe that's a bit of a tangent, but I'm just applying math to our points of view and our capacity for perception... 🤷

I don't have the bandwidth for this, and you already know math isn't exactly my thing... 😉
I've got something else on my mind. I’ve basically laid my soul bare through everything I write, so you probably know me better than I even know myself... then you just show up and start throwing your own stuff at me... Just a tiny speck... Come on, you didn't even give us a little intro or open up about who you really are...
So first I’d write out what I actually believe in, like if I'm a Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or an Atheist...
And I can see how you're being all vague about whether this is Christian, Jewish, or whatever else...
Then why don't you actually pitch an idea for how it should work? It’s easy to just sit there and tear everything apart without even explaining your own perspective...
I only finished my junior year of high school, but that doesn't mean I'm intimidated by people who act all "intellectual" and complicated. Just be fair, be decent, and maybe show a little tolerance once in a while... 😉

It feels like people who are way too self-conscious—honestly, they’re barely functional because of it—just can't handle it. If our consciousness actually included the subconscious, we'd be drowning in a non-stop flood of information that we really don't need to know. Take anxious people, for instance; they're just stuck in this loop of being over-aware of everything. But, if you ask me, unless you're chasing some selfish goal, there isn't some grander truth out there worth obsessing over. So why bother thinking about God? It's mostly just a way to find ways to help yourself.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:I wasn't aware there were quite this many different terms either. The reality is that we tend to find the superconscious much more fascinating than the subconscious. It’s because the superconscious acts as a "repository" for everything good, whereas the subconscious is just a cluttered storage unit for everything and anything—usually consisting of nothing but old traumas!

What flows from the superconscious is this: In 1904, he penned the "book of law," which was allegedly dictated to him by an entity known as Aiwass, appearing after the invocation of the Egyptian god Horus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

It is the subconscious that actually holds the reins, controlling us in ways we desperately want to avoid because it keeps us shackled:http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/how-to-overcome-subconscious-blocks

Exactly!

Judging by the title of this thread, I don't think a superconscious God tucked away inside some subconscious corner of the mind is going over well here. It's like a scratched record—a tiny little detail compared to the idea of a subconscious God. Honestly, it’s enough to make your head spin!

Justin Anderson3 said:If you’ve ever picked up Joseph Murphy’s "Power of Your Subconscious Mind," then you know exactly where I’m going with this.
I actually really liked the book. The core concept—that whatever we imprint on our subconscious through our thoughts, feelings, and beliefs eventually manifests as our reality... it shapes everything we go through. It’s pretty wild when you think about it.
But lately, I’ve been falling down a rabbit hole of reviews, and one particular critique really stuck in my craw. It goes something like this: "The Power of Your Subconscious Mind takes Hermeticism and repackages it as applied psychology, pushing New Age principles that spread like wildfire among Christian readers. Instead of praying to God, his methods suggest you're essentially just praying to your own subconscious"—that's what the priest Josip Blažević wrote in his book, "New Age Prophets."
The thing is, since he uses so many religious texts and keeps bringing up God, it feels like he’s throwing God and the subconscious into the same bucket. I just don't get it... are God and the subconscious supposed to be the same thing? 😕?

God is the collective subconscious. ☕

vividrider472 said:Just one more little thing—beliefs can actually be pulled out and swapped for their opposites using energetic shifts, almost like "adjustments" within your energy field. But honestly, it’s usually just temporary—if you don't truly bring things into awareness and integrate them, that old programming is eventually going to crawl right back in.

Oh, I forgot to mention—it’s actually quite helpful, at least at first, to practice some form of thought control while you're working toward that baseline mental peace through deeper changes. Otherwise, the mind just keeps babbling away, constantly reinforcing all those harmful patterns. That includes cutting out negative phrasing entirely, since the subconscious (more often than not) tends to get tripped up by negations. Like, if you say, "I don't want to be broke," you're actually just broadcasting a program for the exact opposite.

Thanks,😍 and sorry if I took up too much of your time.
I’m absolutely interested in reading more about this, too.

mistysailor23 said:Thanks,😍 and sorry if I took up too much of your time.
I’m absolutely interested in reading more about this, too.

You're welcome.🙂
It’s hard to say any time was wasted if it actually helped—and maybe it'll help someone else who reads this, too.
Here is what I have.
Regarding digging, I don't have specific books—it's honestly better if I just walk you through the process directly. Actually, it would be even better to guide you through an actual session, since that's a totally different experience than just intellectualizing it. You'd just need Skype, a mic, and at least half an hour.

For shadow work, I have one book (there are others, obviously). I use a method from it involving the direct processing of a concept—though I usually combine digging with shadow work—and it describes other ways to approach the whole thing.

I also have materials for working with the energy system; I use them every single day and highly recommend them to everyone. It involves "mudras"—finger positions used to channel energy into specific segments (covering everything from the physical and emotional to the mental and spiritual levels). Those who are sensitive to energy flow will probably feel exactly which zone of the body is being targeted right away, and over time, that sensation gets stronger. Even for those who aren't naturally sensitive, it eventually develops. The effects show up on other levels pretty quickly, too.

Oh, and there's one book for a slightly longer process—it lasts about ten weeks. The only downside is having to slog through the beginning, about 80 pages of very long-winded, repetitive explanations... it honestly makes my hair stand on end, especially when you already know most of the material. But I did finish it myself (on a second attempt😁, for the reasons I mentioned)—it was really more of an exercise in patience and persistence 😁. It's called *The Presence Process*, and I can't recommend it enough because when done properly, it reaches the deepest layers of imprints within the emotional body—which is always where the trouble starts.

Of course, this info is out there for anyone else interested, so just let me know if you want anything.🙂

I'm feeling quite alright today. Just one of those days where everything feels... balanced? I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's a certain rhythm to things lately. It’s like when you finally get that one stubborn screw in a piece of IKEA furniture to catch the thread—suddenly, the whole thing just holds together. Anyway, hope everyone is having a good one. kaže:
🙂 ...

Alright, let me try to give you a quick rundown of who I am.
First off, just to clear things up—that picture isn't my avatar. That’s actually me. 😂 Pretty sharp, huh?

I have to admit, I don't really know you, but honestly? It doesn't even matter.
The core idea behind the monotheist belief system is pretty straightforward: throughout history, certain individuals have experienced varying degrees of closeness with Unity. They weren't just keeping these visions to themselves, either. No, they felt a deep-seated need to reach out and share those insights with the rest of us.
When we attempt to pin down the indescribable using nothing but words, metaphors are born. It’s a necessary workaround. But there’s a catch: once people grasp those metaphors firsthand, they tend to ossify them into rigid dogmas, treating the symbol as if it were the actual truth itself. I’ve always felt that the older a religion gets, the further it drifts from the core truth. Personally, I see my own faith at the very foundation of all Abrahamic religions—and I suspect Eastern traditions are built upon that same bedrock. The issue isn't the foundation, though; it's the human character. We have this relentless urge to attach our own little attributes to things, constantly trying to rationalize what is fundamentally beyond comprehension. This constant need to explain the unexplainable is exactly how we end up with endless sects, conflicting schools of thought, and endless theological bickering. It reminds me of the Tower of Babel story. Our egos became so inflated that even when we were discussing the exact same concepts, we ended up speaking entirely different languages. We closed our hearts off and lost the ability to truly understand one another. It was a self-imposed isolation. That’s why I feel compelled to weigh in on the dogma of the Trinity.
Everything alive—and honestly, probably everything that isn't—is permeated by Unity. It all flows from that one Source. You can't have life popping up out of nowhere without it being an extension of that Unity. And look, Unity isn't "good" or "evil." It just is. It simply exists. I mean, is there really any better way to put it than that? I'm here. Ready when you are. Just me. I am..
I am who I am, you are who you are, and we are all one. Honestly, none of us are ever going to truly find peace as long as we're ignoring the struggles of our neighbors. It’s simple math. Everything that stems from the concept of unity unity will eventually circle back to its source—but there's a catch. It won't return until it’s been purified. And let's be real, that process might take an eternity.
The truth is, the filth isn't out there—it’s right here, buried deep inside us. Every single one of us carries our own little collection of deceits and impurities, those messy parts of ourselves we try so desperately to ignore. We spend our entire lives running from the work, struggling to scrub away the grime of our own making instead of just facing it.
Pure love is the only thing that actually pulls us closer to Unity, Unity. Everything else? It just weighs you down. Even that possessive kind of love—that desperate urge to "own" someone—is nothing more than baggage.

So, here’s the gist of what I believe.

If you honestly believe my knowledge is just some byproduct of sitting in a classroom, you’re dead wrong. It isn't. My understanding comes from a relentless pursuit of truth—actually listening to people, weighing every perspective, and having the backbone to back up an opinion only when the logic holds water.
If you’re under the impression that spirituality is some impenetrable mystery beyond human comprehension, you’re dead wrong. Honestly, most of what people obsess over is completely irrelevant. We spend all our mental energy sweating the small stuff—who said what to whom, who’s holding a grudge, where everything is located—it's all just noise. It's clutter. It occupies the mind and keeps us from seeing the bigger picture.
Just be. Look at the heart of things and stop sweating the small stuff. Honestly, if you refuse to let it get to you, it loses its power over you entirely.
They say rules of conduct are meant for ordinary people, but honestly? If you truly love someone, you don't need a handbook. The laws aren't something you follow—they're already written inside you.

vividrider472 said:Working on the subconscious basically means becoming aware of the emotions tied to specific events or relationships—and then actually integrating them. You can do this through various methods, like what people often call "digging." This involves using a very specific set of questions to guide someone beneath their conscious mind—which, let’s face it, tends to just loop the same old patterns over and over. Ideally, you want to hit those lower alpha or even theta brainwave frequencies—that sweet spot right before you drift off to sleep—to let the answers float up from the subconscious. You can reach that state through certain breathing techniques—which anyone can do—or by how you approach meditation and energy work. The goal during these sessions is for the person to vocalize the emotions as they arise and link them back to specific situations, eventually tracing everything back to a core belief.
It's definitely easier with a therapist, though you can totally do it solo if you practice a bit.

Another great way to clear out the subconscious is through "shadow work"—directly tackling traits we dislike, reject, or feel ashamed of in ourselves (or in others). It makes the conversation much more straightforward, but you still have to ride through those emotional waves until things settle. This method is actually a bit easier to tackle alone, but you need grit—it can take hours if you're dealing with something heavy. Feel free to take breaks or just pick it up again the next day when you're feeling less drained. I'd suggest starting with something smaller and less painful just to get a feel for the process.

Affirmations can work too, but you really have to test them to see if they're actually doing anything. Other alternative techniques are helpful as well.

Once you've worked through something, you check your beliefs again to see how much has shifted. But honestly? The best way to tell is through your reality—how you actually show up for yourself and others afterward.

If anyone has questions, please ask—I don't want to write a novel for no reason! If you want to know how to apply this to your own life, I'm happy to walk you through it using your specific example, but let's stick to Skype or a phone call—I just don't have enough time to type it all out. So, yeah, I'm here.

Oh, and there's some good reading material out there if you're interested.🙂

I honestly don't get it—how exactly are you supposed to flip negative, limiting beliefs about yourself or life into something positive?

jadegardener12 said:I honestly don't get it—how exactly are you supposed to flip negative, limiting beliefs about yourself or life into something positive?

Through reprogramming.
I mean, you can't really flip a bad belief into a good one; you just layer new ones on top of them.

The problem is you eventually just hit a wall because you're constantly swapping one idea for another, which wastes energy since you're still technically feeding those old patterns.

Honestly, I think techniques focused on clearing out harmful beliefs from your subconscious are way more interesting than just standard reprogramming.

The subconscious connects with the astral plane, pulling changes into your daily reality through manifestation—sort of like that "as above, so below" idea. Basically, if it isn't in your subconscious, it isn't happening. If it is in there, well, maybe it will happen.

Lately, it seems like putting God into your subconscious has become a bit of a trendy thing.

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jadegardener12 said:I honestly don't get it—how exactly are you supposed to flip negative, limiting beliefs about yourself or life into something positive?

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Scott Miller4 said:Through reprogramming.
I mean, you can't really flip a bad belief into a good one; you just layer new ones on top of them.

The problem is you eventually just hit a wall because you're constantly swapping one idea for another, which wastes energy since you're still technically feeding those old patterns.

Honestly, I think techniques focused on clearing out harmful beliefs from your subconscious are way more interesting than just standard reprogramming.

The subconscious connects with the astral plane, pulling changes into your daily reality through manifestation—sort of like that "as above, so below" idea. Basically, if it isn't in your subconscious, it isn't happening. If it is in there, well, maybe it will happen.

Lately, it seems like putting God into your subconscious has become a bit of a trendy thing.

I’d say that by clearing out those limiting beliefs, we’re essentially reprogramming the power of your subconscious—it's like a reset. Those old, negative patterns just fade away as you work through them, letting all those heavy, painful emotions finally resolve and integrate. Once the process is done, you can really test your new status—you'll see the results showing up in your actual life through how differently things function, or more simply, through much better outcomes in everything you try to do.

The order of operations, as far as my understanding goes:

1. Accept that the issue lies within us.
2. Dig deep into our own psyche to pinpoint the root cause.
3. Confront that cause head-on. This isn't about just layering new commands over old ones—that's a fool's errand. It’s about conscious action designed to challenge the core logic until that entire outdated algorithm simply ceases to make sense to itself.

Or am I just kidding myself?

Scott Miller4 said:Through reprogramming.
I mean, you can't really flip a bad belief into a good one; you just layer new ones on top of them.

The problem is you eventually just hit a wall because you're constantly swapping one idea for another, which wastes energy since you're still technically feeding those old patterns.

Honestly, I think techniques focused on clearing out harmful beliefs from your subconscious are way more interesting than just standard reprogramming.

The subconscious connects with the astral plane, pulling changes into your daily reality through manifestation—sort of like that "as above, so below" idea. Basically, if it isn't in your subconscious, it isn't happening. If it is in there, well, maybe it will happen.

Lately, it seems like putting God into your subconscious has become a bit of a trendy thing.

Alright, but how does one actually pull that off?

mistysailor23 said:The order of operations, as far as my understanding goes:

1. Accept that the issue lies within us.
2. Dig deep into our own psyche to pinpoint the root cause.
3. Confront that cause head-on. This isn't about just layering new commands over old ones—that's a fool's errand. It’s about conscious action designed to challenge the core logic until that entire outdated algorithm simply ceases to make sense to itself.

Or am I just kidding myself?

Roughly, yeah. But, as you know, people usually blame everything except themselves. Even if they do take responsibility, they often do it the wrong way. This whole "self" thing is complicated. If you told a victim of a crime that they were the one at fault, you know exactly how that would go down. But a deep dive would likely reveal a ton of subconscious beliefs like: *I'm vulnerable / I'm guilty / I'm being punished / I'm bad / I deserve this... / I hate myself / I'm pathetic...* or who knows what else. Analyzing yourself is useful and necessary, sure, but it won't always trigger the change you're looking for. Conscious behavior helps, and mental discipline is vital to stop repeating those bad loops—but, as I’ve seen firsthand, it takes a massive amount of effort to heal the foundation of dysfunctional thinking or behavior. You can even have "good" behavior—driven by positive intentions and executed perfectly—yet still end up with an unsatisfying result because of those underlying subconscious programs.

I'd love to have a real conversation about this sometime so you can see what I mean—it's hard to explain it all through text. Right now, I'm working with a woman who's about 20 years older than me and much more experienced with these kinds of analysis and healing techniques; she was absolutely floored by some of the beliefs that surfaced. And honestly, I was stunned by how powerful they were—considering she's been dealing with this stuff for a while, they were just so deeply rooted. Actually, after doing my own deep work, I wasn't just surprised by one of my own core beliefs, I was totally blindsided by it. But hey, it doesn't happen overnight. It happens layer by layer—you can't force it; you can only go as fast as your emotional self allows. With that one specific emotion, it didn't happen all at once—it took maybe five different attempts, little bit by little.
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