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Scott Miller4 Scott Miller4 Active Member
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#81 ·
Jacob Cooper5 said:So, how do you actually spot your own "Self"—that core sense of authenticity—when everything else feels like such a performance? It’s a tough one... honestly, it’s something I spend way too much time chewing on. For me, it usually comes down to those rare, unpolished moments where the internal monologue finally stops fighting the external mask. You know that feeling? When you aren't trying to curate an image for some social media feed or playing a role to impress a boss at a firm like Goldman Sachs... it's just there. It's that gut reaction you have before your brain has a chance to filter it through what's "appropriate" or "polite." I think authenticity shows up in the things we can't help but care about—the weird, niche interests or the stubborn opinions that make people roll their eyes at us. It's in the friction. If you aren't bumping up against someone else's expectations every once in a while, you probably aren't being real. You're just being convenient. And being convenient is the death of the soul, if you ask me...

Probability isn't the same thing as certainty—not even close. We all trip up sometimes, falling for those little cognitive biases and bad assumptions that mess with our heads, sure... but we don't usually go out of our way to make decisions that directly threaten our own survival. I mean, come on. No matter how much you like the look of a campfire, you aren't going to try to set yourself on fire just for the hell of it. Of course, you *could* totally miscalculate how the flames are going to spread and end up burning yourself... but then you can't act surprised when your new, flawed projection turns into a disaster... 😁
To a certain extent, sure—it’s all just projection... but only up to a point.

Yep, they honestly think it just happened by accident... as if things like that just fall into your lap without any effort...
You think if Tesla had spent his days flipping burgers at a local diner instead of chasing lightning, he would've ever stumbled onto the idea of wireless energy transfer? ... I mean, come on...
Do you honestly think you're going to stumble upon some kind of "authentic" way to outsmart the laws of physics—like, some kind of free energy mechanism that just works because you finally figured out how to hack reality? ...I mean, come on... 😁

I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

Jacob Cooper5 said:So, how do you actually spot your own "Self"—that core sense of authenticity—when everything else feels like such a performance? It’s a tough one... honestly, it’s something I spend way too much time chewing on. For me, it usually comes down to those rare, unpolished moments where the internal monologue finally stops fighting the external mask. You know that feeling? When you aren't trying to curate an image for some social media feed or playing a role to impress a boss at a firm like Goldman Sachs... it's just there. It's that gut reaction you have before your brain has a chance to filter it through what's "appropriate" or "polite." I think authenticity shows up in the things we can't help but care about—the weird, niche interests or the stubborn opinions that make people roll their eyes at us. It's in the friction. If you aren't bumping up against someone else's expectations every once in a while, you probably aren't being real. You're just being convenient. And being convenient is the death of the soul, if you ask me...

Probability isn't the same thing as certainty—not even close. We all trip up sometimes, falling for those little cognitive biases and bad assumptions that mess with our heads, sure... but we don't usually go out of our way to make decisions that directly threaten our own survival. I mean, come on. No matter how much you like the look of a campfire, you aren't going to try to set yourself on fire just for the hell of it. Of course, you *could* totally miscalculate how the flames are going to spread and end up burning yourself... but then you can't act surprised when your new, flawed projection turns into a disaster... 😁
To a certain extent, sure—it’s all just projection... but only up to a point.

Yep, they honestly think it just happened by accident... as if things like that just fall into your lap without any effort...
You think if Tesla had spent his days flipping burgers at a local diner instead of chasing lightning, he would've ever stumbled onto the idea of wireless energy transfer? ... I mean, come on...
Do you honestly think you're going to stumble upon some kind of "authentic" way to outsmart the laws of physics—like, some kind of free energy mechanism that just works because you finally figured out how to hack reality? ...I mean, come on... 😁

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

Jacob Cooper5 said:So, how do you actually spot your own "Self"—that core sense of authenticity—when everything else feels like such a performance? It’s a tough one... honestly, it’s something I spend way too much time chewing on. For me, it usually comes down to those rare, unpolished moments where the internal monologue finally stops fighting the external mask. You know that feeling? When you aren't trying to curate an image for some social media feed or playing a role to impress a boss at a firm like Goldman Sachs... it's just there. It's that gut reaction you have before your brain has a chance to filter it through what's "appropriate" or "polite." I think authenticity shows up in the things we can't help but care about—the weird, niche interests or the stubborn opinions that make people roll their eyes at us. It's in the friction. If you aren't bumping up against someone else's expectations every once in a while, you probably aren't being real. You're just being convenient. And being convenient is the death of the soul, if you ask me...

Probability isn't the same thing as certainty—not even close. We all trip up sometimes, falling for those little cognitive biases and bad assumptions that mess with our heads, sure... but we don't usually go out of our way to make decisions that directly threaten our own survival. I mean, come on. No matter how much you like the look of a campfire, you aren't going to try to set yourself on fire just for the hell of it. Of course, you *could* totally miscalculate how the flames are going to spread and end up burning yourself... but then you can't act surprised when your new, flawed projection turns into a disaster... 😁
To a certain extent, sure—it’s all just projection... but only up to a point.

Yep, they honestly think it just happened by accident... as if things like that just fall into your lap without any effort...
You think if Tesla had spent his days flipping burgers at a local diner instead of chasing lightning, he would've ever stumbled onto the idea of wireless energy transfer? ... I mean, come on...
Do you honestly think you're going to stumble upon some kind of "authentic" way to outsmart the laws of physics—like, some kind of free energy mechanism that just works because you finally figured out how to hack reality? ...I mean, come on... 😁

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉
Gregory Jackson Gregory Jackson Active Member
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#82 ·
Scott Miller4 said:I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉

Is it kind of like:

I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.

x infinity

Scott Miller4 said:I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉

So, like, that daydreaming state—it’s almost like an alpha state where everything is chill and you aren't getting bumped around by the outside world so much, which I think helps our higher intelligence send signals through the subconscious, and then you somehow "read" them, maybe as a fuzzy intuition or just a super clear idea. In that headspace, the ego kind of takes a backseat, which I guess allows the real information to actually reach your conscious mind. That's how a lot of inventions happen, you know? Just like a sudden flash during a relaxed moment, kind of like how Tesla supposedly had that whole breakthrough about the induction motor while he was just taking a stroll through a park without even trying to think about it.
Scott Miller4 Scott Miller4 Active Member
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joined Jun 2013
#83 ·
Gregory Jackson said:Is it kind of like:

I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.

x infinity

So, like, that daydreaming state—it’s almost like an alpha state where everything is chill and you aren't getting bumped around by the outside world so much, which I think helps our higher intelligence send signals through the subconscious, and then you somehow "read" them, maybe as a fuzzy intuition or just a super clear idea. In that headspace, the ego kind of takes a backseat, which I guess allows the real information to actually reach your conscious mind. That's how a lot of inventions happen, you know? Just like a sudden flash during a relaxed moment, kind of like how Tesla supposedly had that whole breakthrough about the induction motor while he was just taking a stroll through a park without even trying to think about it.

Sort of.
Out of what you listed, only "I love you" and "thank you" are tools. You don't actually need x infinity; there are other ways to apply these without that specific setup.
Maybe it's a Brown process or something else entirely.

Gregory Jackson said:Is it kind of like:

I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.

x infinity

So, like, that daydreaming state—it’s almost like an alpha state where everything is chill and you aren't getting bumped around by the outside world so much, which I think helps our higher intelligence send signals through the subconscious, and then you somehow "read" them, maybe as a fuzzy intuition or just a super clear idea. In that headspace, the ego kind of takes a backseat, which I guess allows the real information to actually reach your conscious mind. That's how a lot of inventions happen, you know? Just like a sudden flash during a relaxed moment, kind of like how Tesla supposedly had that whole breakthrough about the induction motor while he was just taking a stroll through a park without even trying to think about it.

I guess that's right. That theta state—right before you drift off to sleep or just as you're waking up—seems to be that window where we're actually open to inspiration.
Gregory Jackson Gregory Jackson Active Member
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#84 ·
Scott Miller4 said:Sort of.
Out of what you listed, only "I love you" and "thank you" are tools. You don't actually need x infinity; there are other ways to apply these without that specific setup.
Maybe it's a Brown process or something else entirely.

I guess that's right. That theta state—right before you drift off to sleep or just as you're waking up—seems to be that window where we're actually open to inspiration.

Anyway, I guess I just try to be careful about calling myself "authentic." It's for a pretty simple reason—you know, that whole idea of "declaring something achieved before it actually is" and then getting nothing out of the actual work.😉
Scott Miller4 Scott Miller4 Active Member
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#85 ·
Gregory Jackson said:Anyway, I guess I just try to be careful about calling myself "authentic." It's for a pretty simple reason—you know, that whole idea of "declaring something achieved before it actually is" and then getting nothing out of the actual work.😉

I never actually claimed to be authentic myself. 😉
Jacob Cooper5 Jacob Cooper5 Active Member
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#86 ·
Scott Miller4 said:I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉

So what you're saying is, if you're feeling it, you're being "authentic," but if you aren't, then you're just some stranger to yourself? 😁 Nice try.
No matter what you do, you're still you. Just because you can distinguish between what makes you happy and what doesn't doesn't mean you've split into two different people—you're just one complex, messy human being.

Scott Miller4 said:I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉

Wait... hold on a second. You mentioned the possibility that the physical world might just be a projection of our own minds. Well, that possibility doesn't really change anything, because certain parts of our internal projection remain constant. That's why you don't jump into a bonfire or drink something toxic just because your hand is numb. The consequences of those actions are always going to be the same, no matter how much "projection" you throw at them.

Patterns are essentially just our relationship to things. When there's an actual, live interaction happening, it's completely unnatural—and frankly, pointless—to try and erase your stance or your reaction. It would be like suddenly forgetting what we're even talking about right now.
In any area where we have interests, a stance is already formed. Being "formed" doesn't necessarily mean you have some grand intellectual theory to back up your feelings. It’s enough that the feeling itself pushes back or leans in, which usually stems from past experiences that shaped it. You could practically lump all of this under "programming," since these reactions happen well before the intellect even gets a chance to weigh in, effectively dictating its shape.
Whenever there's interest, there's a feeling. And whenever there's a feeling, there's experience behind it—very specific experience.
That's just how we're wired.
You can't just delete your own perspective in situations that directly affect you. All you can do is change that perspective.

Scott Miller4 said:I mostly find my peace through a sense of inner stillness, regardless of whatever chaos decides to land in my lap. Or maybe it’s through creating things. I draw and write, and usually, one or the other needs a specific trigger to get going—but lately, that urge for a spark just isn't there. It's different now. I’ll just wake up with a topic already living in my head, ready to be written down. I guess I remember feeling some version of this back when I was a kid. 🤣

I tend to question things. To me, constant questioning is just common sense, regardless of whatever trendy techniques or zen-like authenticity people try to sell you. I don't see any reason to give that up.

When it comes to fear, I think we’re basically hardwired to dread loud noises or that sudden feeling of the ground slipping out from under us. Everything else? That’s just stuff we pick up along the way. But you make a good point—learned fears are actually pretty useful, even if they do trigger panic attacks every now and then. In a real life-or-death situation, that sharp pain is probably what keeps you from doing something reckless. Like, that stinging sensation might be just enough to stop you from throwing your whole arm into something dangerous. It’s a survival mechanism, I guess.

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here, so I'll keep it brief. Getting rid of bad habits isn't going to make you forget how to tie your shoelaces, obviously. But it might just stop those negative thought loops in their tracks, or at least help you quit doing things that are clearly working against you.

You're oversimplifying things. I mean, sure, there's a slim chance it might actually cross his mind, but I can't exactly sit here and claim that the possibility doesn't exist at all. Can you?
It’s kind of wild when you think about it—some of the most beautiful poetry ever written actually grew out of pure mathematics, like sestinas or sonnets. Then you have someone like Newton, who basically stumbled onto the concept of gravity while just daydreaming out in his garden. I guess it’s pretty hard to draw a clear line between the two. 😉

Since my whole life revolves around art, I can speak from experience when I say this holds true for me. But honestly, it’s not just an artistic thing—it applies to pretty much any human creation, really.
Working on an idea is a lot like magnetizing iron. The more you hammer away at it, the stronger it gets, pulling itself closer to that perfect expression you have in your head. But for an idea to actually mean anything, you first need to understand the mechanics behind it. If you’re trying to build some "unprecedented"😁 machine that caps bottles on an assembly line, you damn well better know how individual components function first. You have to mentally fuse those moving parts together.
You can spend ages grinding away only to have every single mental combination fall flat on its face. And then, out of nowhere—maybe while you're just peeling potatoes in the kitchen—the idea finally hits you. 🤷:😁
Usually, the best advice when you're stuck in that intense loop of searching for a solution is to just walk away for a bit. It’s a known phenomenon—those breakthroughs almost always happen during the breaks.
People call it "falling from the sky," but let's be real... it only falls after you've poured a massive amount of concentrated effort into making it land.
Frank Hughes2 Frank Hughes2 Newcomer
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#87 ·
The chance to encounter the risen Christ is a gift offered to us by God—and I wonder just how much this revelation will shape the entire course of Magdalena's life. In this lifetime, we are granted the opportunity to see, touch, and witness our own bodies transformed with those new, incorruptible qualities we'll possess for eternity—wishing you all a meeting with the risen Jesus.

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