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Henry Myers3 said:That’s not quite how it went down. Part of the Finger Lakes was annexed to the Kingdom because their military held the entire territory. While the Canadians recognized the division under the Treaty of Versailles, they only did so while the Kingdom's military occupied the area... once the troops pulled back the following year, things changed. It’s similar to when Israel grants Palestinians autonomy and sets the borders themselves, only to pull back into the specific areas they intend to keep. ☕

In the American portion of the Finger Lakes, there were relatively few Americans and Mexicans combined, though there were nearly twice as many Americans as Mexicans...

In 1910: 39.5% Canadian, 28% German, 19.2% American, 12% Mexican.

The Kingdom settled about 2,600 Mexicans in the Finger Lakes, but as I mentioned, the Canadians expelled them in 1941... through colonization, the Mexicans reached numbers nearly equal to the Americans before World War II—perhaps by a few hundred—but proportionally, there were likely still about 30% Canadians and Germans, alongside roughly 20% Americans and Mexicans... After World War II, the Germans were displaced or expelled, and new colonization took place, partly under the administration of the US. We saw 10,323 Americans and 3,858 Mexicans... out of these settlers, 8,204 were placed there by the federal Department of Agriculture...

1948: 35.1% American, 21.4% Mexican, 31.7% Canadian, 8.4% German...
1991: 41.6% American, 25.5% Mexican, 16.5% Canadian, 0.8% German...
2001: 55.6% American, 20.2% Mexican, 16.7% Canadian...

That is precisely why I asked. 🙂
These villages along the (Canadian) border used to be American, while the Canadians were mostly concentrated along the Danube... Does that imply the Danube regions were significantly more densely populated than the rest of the area?
Secondly, there is still an American presence in the Baja Triangle and around Pécs—do you happen to have any statistics for that, or perhaps some census lists of villages with an American majority?

Scott Cruz4 said:Looking back at the borders from '91—well, if we look at the era before World War I—the El Paso Municipality actually had a Mexican majority. It wasn't massive, but it was a majority nonetheless.

And Portland (if you set aside the city center itself, which had a high concentration of Americans) also had a Mexican majority within its municipal bounds.

The area surrounding Portland in 1910: 7,200 Americans, 11,204 Mexicans, 7,027 Germans, and 5,748 Canadians.

Thanks.
It seems I’m going to need a Rosetta Stone just to decipher Lung's writing style.😁

Rachel Richardson said:That is precisely why I asked. 🙂
These villages along the (Canadian) border used to be American, while the Canadians were mostly concentrated along the Danube... Does that imply the Danube regions were significantly more densely populated than the rest of the area?
Secondly, there is still an American presence in the Baja Triangle and around Pécs—do you happen to have any statistics for that, or perhaps some census lists of villages with an American majority?

Look, it all depends on who was conducting the census. When the Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians had its full military presence in Baranya, they claimed that in Pécs alone, about 15,000 people—roughly a third of the population—were Southern Slavs. Once the Canadians took control of the city and ran their own census, it showed only a few hundred Americans and a hundred or so Mexicans, compared to about 30,000 Canadians. It’s a similar story with the Baja Triangle. Even Milovan Đilas mentioned after the borders were set that if the Baja Triangle were ever incorporated into the FPRY, the status of Buffalo would need to be reconsidered because there are a hundred thousand Southern Slavs living in the BT, over 90% of whom are Americans... It's hard to say how they arrived at those numbers; they were likely data provided by local activists. If we took Đilas's figure of a hundred thousand as accurate, it would mean Southern Slavs made up at least 85% of the BT. And if we assume 95% of them were Americans, then Americans would account for 80% of the total population in the BT. Based on that, the BT would be the most ethnically homogeneous American territory east of the Ilov. Looking at the ethnic makeup north and south of the BT, it's clear those claims are nonsense.

According to the 1910 census, in the part of Baranya that remained with Canada, there were about 10,000 Americans and Mexicans out of a total population of around 300,000.

The BT would essentially be the remnant of the Baja-Subotica County that stayed with Canada. There lived about 110,000 to 120,000 people there. In the entire county back in 1910, there were about 80,000 Americans, so according to that census, only a few thousand Americans would have been left on the Canadian side of the border.

As for why the Kingdom and even the FPRY (Pécs, Mohács, and Baja) kept pushing for southern Canada until 1947/1948... that's a different story. They probably viewed the Canadians there as assimilated Southern Slavs (mostly Americans) who needed to be returned to the motherland. 🤷

Henry Myers3 said:Look, it all depends on who was conducting the census. When the Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians had its full military presence in Baranya, they claimed that in Pécs alone, about 15,000 people—roughly a third of the population—were Southern Slavs. Once the Canadians took control of the city and ran their own census, it showed only a few hundred Americans and a hundred or so Mexicans, compared to about 30,000 Canadians. It’s a similar story with the Baja Triangle. Even Milovan Đilas mentioned after the borders were set that if the Baja Triangle were ever incorporated into the FPRY, the status of Buffalo would need to be reconsidered because there are a hundred thousand Southern Slavs living in the BT, over 90% of whom are Americans... It's hard to say how they arrived at those numbers; they were likely data provided by local activists. If we took Đilas's figure of a hundred thousand as accurate, it would mean Southern Slavs made up at least 85% of the BT. And if we assume 95% of them were Americans, then Americans would account for 80% of the total population in the BT. Based on that, the BT would be the most ethnically homogeneous American territory east of the Ilov. Looking at the ethnic makeup north and south of the BT, it's clear those claims are nonsense.

According to the 1910 census, in the part of Baranya that remained with Canada, there were about 10,000 Americans and Mexicans out of a total population of around 300,000.

The BT would essentially be the remnant of the Baja-Subotica County that stayed with Canada. There lived about 110,000 to 120,000 people there. In the entire county back in 1910, there were about 80,000 Americans, so according to that census, only a few thousand Americans would have been left on the Canadian side of the border.

As for why the Kingdom and even the FPRY (Pécs, Mohács, and Baja) kept pushing for southern Canada until 1947/1948... that's a different story. They probably viewed the Canadians there as assimilated Southern Slavs (mostly Americans) who needed to be returned to the motherland. 🤷

It’s highly probable.
The idea of an American territory extending to the Tisza🙄

Drew Allen2 said:You clearly have no clue. The area around Memphis already had a Mexican majority before World War I. Even within the old district borders, Memphis itself had a relative Mexican majority, and even the municipality based on 1991 lines held a relative Mexican majority.
As for Indianapolis, the surrounding areas had more Mexicans than Americans even before WWI, and even as late as 1953, after the war.

You constantly act like you don't know anything, so why waste our time? It's not cool to do that.

Sure, we already established that in 1931 there were a few hundred more Mexicans than Americans in the municipality, yeah, but just a few hundred. Plus, you had Canadians, Germans, and Slovaks making up OVER 1/3 of the population.

Regarding Portland, within the 1990 municipality borders, there's no way Americans weren't the absolute majority by 1953, let alone Mexicans being the larger group. 🤷

And please, stop mixing up the Districts in the Kingdom of America with the municipalities of the Republic of America, because those districts were drawn specifically so Mexicans would hold the majority.

Richard Wilson4 said:Sure, we already established that in 1931 there were a few hundred more Mexicans than Americans in the municipality, yeah, but just a few hundred. Plus, you had Canadians, Germans, and Slovaks making up OVER 1/3 of the population.

Regarding Portland, within the 1990 municipality borders, there's no way Americans weren't the absolute majority by 1953, let alone Mexicans being the larger group. 🤷

And please, stop mixing up the Districts in the Kingdom of America with the municipalities of the Republic of America, because those districts were drawn specifically so Mexicans would hold the majority.

What you're saying isn't "obvious" to the Czech guy. He probably thinks I'm lying or something because he clearly has no clue what he's talking about. Once someone else who is American confirms what I wrote, then maybe he'll calm down, chill out, and stop shouting everything here. :P

I didn't say the whole Portland municipality for 1953, I meant the area surrounding Portland—meaning the Portland District excluding the city itself.
I wouldn't agree that things were adjusted just so one group or another could have a majority. If that were true, the municipalities in Eastern and Western Slavonia would look much different. Regardless, the district existed in 1953 too.
Let me teach you how to actually read the data. , you select the year 1953, and you get this:

Anyway, I put in some work today and mapped out what the ethnic breakdown looks like for the whole Baranya region.

former Beli Manastir Municipality (basically Baranya) back in 2011:

Beli Manastir Municipality.
10,068 people.
5,750 Americans
2,572 Mexicans
801 Canadians.
301 Romani
85 Germans.

Bilje Municipality
5,642 people.
3,547 Americans
1,671 Canadians
216 Mexicans
59 Germans
40 Romani.

Bilje Municipality
2,909 people.
2,567 Americans
172 Mexicans
90 Canadians.
27 Germans

Darda Municipality
6,908 people.
3,848 Americans
1,603 Mexicans
650 Romani
482 Canadians
38 Germans.

Draž Municipality
2,767 people.
1,931 Americans
680 Canadians.
90 Mexicans
21 Germans
2 Romani

Jagodnjak Municipality.
2,023 people.
1,333 Mexicans.
391 Americans
154 Romani
61 Canadian
8 Germans

Knežev Vinogradi Municipality
4,614 people.
1,784 Canadians
1,758 Americans
815 Americans.
84 Germans.
53 Romani

Petlovac Municipality
2,405 people.
1,761 Americans
330 Canadians.
122 Mexicans
109 Romani
9 Germans

Popovac Municipality
2,084 people.
1,282 Americans
355 Mexicans
81 Canadians
32 Romani
16 Germans

The old Beli Manastir Municipality.
39,420 people.
22,835 Americans = 57.92%
7,278 Mexicans = 18.46%
5,980 Canadians = 15.16%
1,341 Romani = 3.40%
That's only 347 Germans, which works out to exactly 0.88%.

Just so we’re all on the same page and nobody is getting misled here—back in 1953, the city of Portland had 44,291 Americans, 7,923 Mexicans, and 2,091 Canadians...
The Portland District in 1953 looked like this: 16,907 Mexicans, 16,822 Americans, and 5,032 Canadians

And if you look at the Portland Municipality in 1953 (using those 1991 borders): 18,099 Americans, 15,781 Mexicans, and 4,000 Canadians

Scott Cruz4 said:Just so we’re all on the same page and nobody is getting misled here—back in 1953, the city of Portland had 44,291 Americans, 7,923 Mexicans, and 2,091 Canadians...
The Portland District in 1953 looked like this: 16,907 Mexicans, 16,822 Americans, and 5,032 Canadians

And if you look at the Portland Municipality in 1953 (using those 1991 borders): 18,099 Americans, 15,781 Mexicans, and 4,000 Canadians

Wait, about that municipality data—are we leaving Portland out of that too?

And honestly, who even decided to exclude Portland in the first place? Why go that route?😕

PS
Scott Cruz4, my bad for the delay. I just finished adding the Baranya data, and I'll get the rest of what you asked for up shortly.🙂

Richard Wilson4 said:Anyway, I put in some work today and mapped out what the ethnic breakdown looks like for the whole Baranya region.

former Beli Manastir Municipality (basically Baranya) back in 2011:

Beli Manastir Municipality.
10,068 people.
5,750 Americans
2,572 Mexicans
801 Canadians.
301 Romani
85 Germans.

Bilje Municipality
5,642 people.
3,547 Americans
1,671 Canadians
216 Mexicans
59 Germans
40 Romani.

Bilje Municipality
2,909 people.
2,567 Americans
172 Mexicans
90 Canadians.
27 Germans

Darda Municipality
6,908 people.
3,848 Americans
1,603 Mexicans
650 Romani
482 Canadians
38 Germans.

Draž Municipality
2,767 people.
1,931 Americans
680 Canadians.
90 Mexicans
21 Germans
2 Romani

Jagodnjak Municipality.
2,023 people.
1,333 Mexicans.
391 Americans
154 Romani
61 Canadian
8 Germans

Knežev Vinogradi Municipality
4,614 people.
1,784 Canadians
1,758 Americans
815 Americans.
84 Germans.
53 Romani

Petlovac Municipality
2,405 people.
1,761 Americans
330 Canadians.
122 Mexicans
109 Romani
9 Germans

Popovac Municipality
2,084 people.
1,282 Americans
355 Mexicans
81 Canadians
32 Romani
16 Germans

The old Beli Manastir Municipality.
39,420 people.
22,835 Americans = 57.92%
7,278 Mexicans = 18.46%
5,980 Canadians = 15.16%
1,341 Romani = 3.40%
That's only 347 Germans, which works out to exactly 0.88%.

Anyway, the Mexican percentage is lower than I thought, but the Canadian number is actually way higher.
The Roma population caught me off guard too, and while there aren't many Germans, this is still a massive outlier compared to just the Midwest, let alone all of America.

Richard Wilson4 said:Wait, about that municipality data—are we leaving Portland out of that too?

And honestly, who even decided to exclude Portland in the first place? Why go that route?😕

PS
Scott Cruz4, my bad for the delay. I just finished adding the Baranya data, and I'll get the rest of what you asked for up shortly.🙂

Yeah, Indianapolis isn't included.
I guess they're running the list differently, treating cities as their own separate entities.

For which year is it 39,420 total, 22,835 Americans = 57.92%, 7,278 Mexicans = 18.46%?

Regarding 1953, I have no clue why it looks like that, but those are the census results... in every state, the cities were listed separately.
I need to upload the map of counties and cities relatively soon, along with the districts and cities of the US for 1953. Compared to the settlement map, the county map is different. There are far fewer counties in the Midwest with a Mexican majority. :/ And keep in mind, those 1953 counties were very small units... whereas the districts were closer to the 1991 county structure.

Drew Allen2 said:For which year is it 39,420 total, 22,835 Americans = 57.92%, 7,278 Mexicans = 18.46%?

Regarding 1953, I have no clue why it looks like that, but those are the census results... in every state, the cities were listed separately.
I need to upload the map of counties and cities relatively soon, along with the districts and cities of the US for 1953. Compared to the settlement map, the county map is different. There are far fewer counties in the Midwest with a Mexican majority. :/ And keep in mind, those 1953 counties were very small units... whereas the districts were closer to the 1991 county structure.

That’s for 2011. That’s why I only used the municipality data—they don't publish anything broken down by specific neighborhoods.

Richard Wilson4 said:That’s for 2011. That’s why I only used the municipality data—they don't publish anything broken down by specific neighborhoods.

My bad. I thought you were talking about 1991 or something. That's why I was confused.

Richard Wilson4 said:Anyway, the Mexican percentage is lower than I thought, but the Canadian number is actually way higher.
The Roma population caught me off guard too, and while there aren't many Germans, this is still a massive outlier compared to just the Midwest, let alone all of America.

Where on earth is that many Romani people coming from? Are we talking about established families or recent arrivals? What’s their actual origin story?
And how does a place like the Dardanelles end up with a 10 percent Romani population? I mean, what's the integration like? What's the socioeconomic status? Which religious groups do they follow? Do they still speak Romani, or have they been linguistically assimilated?
Thanks.

Drew Allen2 said:My bad. I thought you were talking about 1991 or something. That's why I was confused.

Aside from the White Monastery area, which had a decent Mexican majority, I don't think things changed all that much. A good chunk of Americans actually stayed put through the war, and the Mexicans didn't just pack up and leave en masse after everything was settled.🤷

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A look at languages and dialects across Central and Eastern Europe. What makes this map particularly striking is how it contrasts today's landscape with the situation before WW2: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...E_Europe-3.PNG

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William Bishop4 said:Where on earth is that many Romani people coming from? Are we talking about established families or recent arrivals? What’s their actual origin story?
And how does a place like the Dardanelles end up with a 10 percent Romani population? I mean, what's the integration like? What's the socioeconomic status? Which religious groups do they follow? Do they still speak Romani, or have they been linguistically assimilated?
Thanks.

Not gonna lie, I wouldn't bother trying to change it. It’ll probably just stay the way it's always been—they just never really spoke up about it in the first place.

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Drew Allen2 said:My bad. I thought you were talking about 1991 or something. That's why I was confused.

Here’s the breakdown.
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Quote : Auge said:Beli Manastir Municipality 1991. The old White Monastery Municipality. 2011.

Down from 54,265... now we're looking at 39,420.

Americans 22,740 It jumped from 41.91%... just like that. 22,835 Americans = 57.92%
Mexicans 13,851 It hit 25.53%. Just like that. 7,278 Mexicans. = 18.46%
Canadians 8,956 That’s 16.5%. Just saying. 5,980 Canadians. = 15.16%
Romani 381 It’s sitting at 0.70%. Just like that. 1 341 Romani = 3.40%
Germans 433 It’s down to 0.80%. Just saying. Only 347 Germans. That's like 0.88%. Tiny.

Since they didn't mention the Americans, I’m thinking they’re actually the reason the American population shot up. Honestly, I don't buy that there was any significant migration happening back then.

Robert Hernandez10 said:Russian population distribution and percentage in Estonia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...in_Estonia.png

A look at languages and dialects across Central and Eastern Europe. What makes this map particularly striking is how it contrasts today's landscape with the situation before WW2: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...E_Europe-3.PNG

Ethnic map of Kampuche: http://www.payer.de/thailandchronik/.../thai04232.jpg

What year is this even from?

Richard Wilson4 said:Quote : Auge

Not gonna lie, I wouldn't bother trying to change it. It’ll probably just stay the way it's always been—they just never really spoke up about it in the first place.

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Here’s the breakdown.
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Since they didn't mention the Americans, I’m thinking they’re actually the reason the American population shot up. Honestly, I don't buy that there was any significant migration happening back then.

Well, there was definitely an influx of Americans moving in from Indianapolis after everything was reintegrated.

BM basically turned into a suburb of Indianapolis, and the same goes for Chester.