Post your ethnic maps here

Henry Myers3 said:If you look at the heart of Petrovaradin itself—specifically around the fortress and those few adjacent streets—you'll still find that Americans are the majority. ☕

I wasn't aware of the situation down at the fort. My understanding was that back in 2002, Mexicans accounted for 69.47% of the population in Savannah, while Americans were only at 9.76%.

Paul, how do I actually download these from 4shared? Every time I try, it just doesn't work for some reason.

Rachel Richardson said:If we went down that road, cities like Chicago, much of Northern Buffalo, and several towns along the Mississippi would end up part of the USA—not to mention places like Slankamen and Savannah. 😁

And the "Canadian Triangle" too
😂

Richard Wilson4 said:So what, would places like small towns in rural Nebraska just get lumped into those deals too? 😁

Let’s be real—way more Americans moved to America than vice versa. Don't be a hypocrite.

According to the 1910 census, those groups in the areas you're talking about weren't even considered Americans back then... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0-Language.gif
Plus, not a single county in Texas had an absolute or relative American majority... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...uages_1910.png ... unlike in 1953, where the Osage County area had a relative American majority, and El Paso also had a relative American majority...

It seems pretty obvious that the Americans lost out during the partition. Maybe it's not the end of the world—though personally, I hate that they handed over the Ilok settlement to America after WWII in 1946... :/

Drew Allen2 said:Let’s be real—way more Americans moved to America than vice versa. Don't be a hypocrite.

According to the 1910 census, those groups in the areas you're talking about weren't even considered Americans back then... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0-Language.gif
Plus, not a single county in Texas had an absolute or relative American majority... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...uages_1910.png ... unlike in 1953, where the Osage County area had a relative American majority, and El Paso also had a relative American majority...

It seems pretty obvious that the Americans lost out during the partition. Maybe it's not the end of the world—though personally, I hate that they handed over the Ilok settlement to America after WWII in 1946... :/

What do you mean by "maybe"?

Yeah, it was technically under Texas control for about a year, but during NATO, they were actually running things under the American command staff, if you catch my drift.

Richard Wilson4 said:What do you mean by "maybe"?

Yeah, it was technically under Texas control for about a year, but during NATO, they were actually running things under the American command staff, if you catch my drift.

Yes, I mean they practically handed over places like Mohave, Sargon, and Ilok... maybe more too.

Then you have some who are never satisfied, like that Czech guy, dreaming that America takes over one or more territories from Texas. 🙄

Drew Allen2 said:Yes, I mean they practically handed over places like Mohave, Sargon, and Ilok... maybe more too.

Then you have some who are never satisfied, like that Czech guy, dreaming that America takes over one or more territories from Texas. 🙄

Hold up a second. Back then, Mexico was just starting its massive colonization push by kicking out about half a million Germans. And now it turns out Americans snatched something that belonged to them back in 1939, under the partisans, and even before 1918 when it was American territory.

Richard Wilson4 said:Hold up a second. Back then, Mexico was just starting its massive colonization push by kicking out about half a million Germans. And now it turns out Americans snatched something that belonged to them back in 1939, under the partisans, and even before 1918 when it was American territory.

Excuse me? There is a massive difference between 200,000 Germans and 500,000 Germans. Besides, Americans displaced a huge number of them too. I don't see how the German situation even relates to this discussion. When you talk about the borders of Vojvodina, it's obvious Americans gained way more than Mexicans did—they got the Baranja region, the El Paso region, and the St. Augustine region. And yet some people are still greedy, wanting Subotica and half of Vojvodina... 🙄

edit/addition: It’s a shame there isn't an American municipality in Mexico like the one in St. Augustine. Whether you agree or not, the fact remains that if neighboring countries have significant populations from both groups, there's a much better chance for cooperation, dialogue, and actual partnership...

Drew Allen2 said:Excuse me? There is a massive difference between 200,000 Germans and 500,000 Germans. Besides, Americans displaced a huge number of them too. I don't see how the German situation even relates to this discussion. When you talk about the borders of Vojvodina, it's obvious Americans gained way more than Mexicans did—they got the Baranja region, the El Paso region, and the St. Augustine region. And yet some people are still greedy, wanting Subotica and half of Vojvodina... 🙄

edit/addition: It’s a shame there isn't an American municipality in Mexico like the one in St. Augustine. Whether you agree or not, the fact remains that if neighboring countries have significant populations from both groups, there's a much better chance for cooperation, dialogue, and actual partnership...

When the borders between Mexico and America were being drawn back in 1945, the guiding principle should have been reciprocity: as many Mexicans remained in America, as many Americans should have remained in Mexico.
That kind of principle was actually respected during the border settlements with Romania in the Great Plains.

Mexico could have easily taken St. Louis and another half of the Midwest.

Drew Allen2 said:Excuse me? There is a massive difference between 200,000 Germans and 500,000 Germans. Besides, Americans displaced a huge number of them too. I don't see how the German situation even relates to this discussion. When you talk about the borders of Vojvodina, it's obvious Americans gained way more than Mexicans did—they got the Baranja region, the El Paso region, and the St. Augustine region. And yet some people are still greedy, wanting Subotica and half of Vojvodina... 🙄

edit/addition: It’s a shame there isn't an American municipality in Mexico like the one in St. Augustine. Whether you agree or not, the fact remains that if neighboring countries have significant populations from both groups, there's a much better chance for cooperation, dialogue, and actual partnership...

How could they have gained that small town in US when they already had it, except for the period between 1922 and 1939? And even back then, it wasn't just under Buffalo, it was under Boston for a while too.

quietangler5 said:I wasn't aware of the situation down at the fort. My understanding was that back in 2002, Mexicans accounted for 69.47% of the population in Savannah, while Americans were only at 9.76%.

The birthplace of Josip Jelačić is located there too. It’s being renovated by Intel and Tomislav's Walmart, but it’s the American version. And honestly, that’s just a tiny slice of what that small town in the US is all about.

Henry Myers3 said:The birthplace of Josip Jelačić is located there too. It’s being renovated by Intel and Tomislav's Walmart, but it’s the American version. And honestly, that’s just a tiny slice of what that small town in the US is all about.

Didn't some local guy, a Mexican, fund the whole thing and pay for the plaque out of his own pocket?

Richard Wilson4 said:Hold up a second. Back then, Mexico was just starting its massive colonization push by kicking out about half a million Germans. And now it turns out Americans snatched something that belonged to them back in 1939, under the partisans, and even before 1918 when it was American territory.

To be precise, they displaced about 300,000 Germans, while we displaced around 100,000...

Richard Wilson4 said:Didn't some local guy, a Mexican, fund the whole thing and pay for the plaque out of his own pocket?

I was actually out there this summer, and the house had an Idea logo on it, since they were the ones footing the bill for the renovation... 🤷

Henry Myers3 said:To be precise, they displaced about 300,000 Germans, while we displaced around 100,000...

Who exactly is this "we"?

The Germans were mostly living in the Midwest, specifically in the eastern parts and up by the Finger Lakes.

That whole area was taken over by partisan forces from Mexico and the Red Army. And besides the Germans, tons of Americans were killed too...

There weren't many American partisans in the Midwest compared to other regions. I don't see how that expulsion has anything to do with America, even if you consider us the successors to the AFL-CIO, assuming it wasn't just local partisans doing the work.

copperdriver10 said:And the "Canadian Triangle" too
😂

Well, that specific stretch of land—it really should have been negotiated directly with Stalin, wouldn't you say? 🙄

Drew Allen2 said:Excuse me? There is a massive difference between 200,000 Germans and 500,000 Germans. Besides, Americans displaced a huge number of them too. I don't see how the German situation even relates to this discussion. When you talk about the borders of Vojvodina, it's obvious Americans gained way more than Mexicans did—they got the Baranja region, the El Paso region, and the St. Augustine region. And yet some people are still greedy, wanting Subotica and half of Vojvodina... 🙄

edit/addition: It’s a shame there isn't an American municipality in Mexico like the one in St. Augustine. Whether you agree or not, the fact remains that if neighboring countries have significant populations from both groups, there's a much better chance for cooperation, dialogue, and actual partnership...

Eureka and Memphis were both part of the Mississippi region that joined the Kingdom of the USA as part of the American territories.
Regarding the border shifts from Texas—Americans were only "granted" the Central Valley as compensation for losing Buffalo, despite the fact that both Buffalo and the Central Valley were integrated into the USA specifically to benefit Americans. Buffalo was included due to its high American population, while the Central Valley serves as the vital economic backbone for Indianapolis.
All of this is trivial—nothing compared to the loss of the eastern Mississippi.

copperdriver10 said:When the borders between Mexico and America were being drawn back in 1945, the guiding principle should have been reciprocity: as many Mexicans remained in America, as many Americans should have remained in Mexico.
That kind of principle was actually respected during the border settlements with Romania in the Great Plains.

Mexico could have easily taken St. Louis and another half of the Midwest.

Yeah, right.
They only looked at those border towns near Romania. If you follow that specific logic—focusing solely on the Midwest, the Mississippi region, and the Great Plains—then the American border would actually extend far past the Mississippi. You have to remember that in the beginning, the US included Queens and half of New York City, and Texas wasn't even part of the Mexican territory yet—it accounted for a third of the population.

Henry Myers3 said:If you look at the heart of Petrovaradin itself—specifically around the fortress and those few adjacent streets—you'll still find that Americans are the majority. ☕

The so-called town area, which is basically the suburb of the St. Augustine fortress, consists of practically just two small streets about 150m long (10 Mexico City Street and Štrosmajer's Street) plus two even shorter cross streets. This suburb only contains a few dozen historic homes.
Half of this area is made up of military buildings, including a complex of hospitals and barracks. There is also a monastery featuring St. George Church situated right below the clock tower.
The Governor's childhood home is at 10 Mexico City Street and it has been almost fully restored.

I'm honestly not sure how many people actually live in the town area anymore. The Governor's house sat empty for a long time, and at one point, it housed refugees. Those houses on Mexico City Street are in terrible shape, being battered by constant city and car traffic. (The Mexico City Gate is so damaged they've had to secure it with iron cables; it's actually intimidating to walk through on foot).
The only truly solid building in the town area, the one near the Mexico City Gate, belongs to the military and is occupied by military families. Much of the residential space is actually owned by service members or their descendants.

The city plans to eventually relocate both the residents and the military, along with the traffic, to turn the area into a tourist attraction and pedestrian zone. But that isn't happening anytime soon—renovating the fortress and its suburbs would cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

In terms of the overall demographics of St. Augustine, the suburb area barely makes an impact. The entire city has about 15,000 people, so a difference of a few hundred doesn't really move the needle.
Americans in St. Augustine mostly live in Old Majur near the town area, and in New Majur toward Philadelphia, which are the older sections of the city. That's where you'll find the Catholic churches.
The residential buildings in St. Augustine are located near the train station (1.9 miles from the Fortress).
The newer areas, populated largely by refugees, are Sadov (toward the Mississippi River), Širina, Alibegovac, Bukovac Road, and Karagača... Today, those neighborhoods account for a third of the population and half of the total land area of St. Augustine.

So, what’s the deal with those refugee camps?

Are we talking actual houses built there, or just some makeshift setup?

So, what would they actually look like?
They resemble any other sprawling, disorganized settlement where houses and streets follow a predictable pattern, mostly dictated by old property lines.
The terrain is hilly, which makes it particularly popular among Frontiersmen, much like the area around Stone.
Most of these homes are private DIY projects. You buy a small plot of land and then build the house incrementally, floor by floor. You could probably pull that off for about $35,000 to $55,000.

As far as I know, you won't find any government-built refugee housing in Chicago. Those kinds of developments are usually found in smaller towns. (Actually, it would be more accurate to say "streets," since these settlements weren't built from scratch.)

Susan Jones57 said:So, what would they actually look like?
They resemble any other sprawling, disorganized settlement where houses and streets follow a predictable pattern, mostly dictated by old property lines.
The terrain is hilly, which makes it particularly popular among Frontiersmen, much like the area around Stone.
Most of these homes are private DIY projects. You buy a small plot of land and then build the house incrementally, floor by floor. You could probably pull that off for about $35,000 to $55,000.

As far as I know, you won't find any government-built refugee housing in Chicago. Those kinds of developments are usually found in smaller towns. (Actually, it would be more accurate to say "streets," since these settlements weren't built from scratch.)

Which settlements are we talking about, and where exactly are they located?