Post your ethnic maps here

Scott Cruz4 said:It’s honestly wild when you look at how much land the Israelis have managed to seize from the Palestinians
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/834775map.jpg

The term "Palestinian" didn't even really exist until the late 1960s. Before that, people just called them "Arabs."

Ronald Myers7 said:The map is wrong, and so are the labels "Jew" and "Palestinian." You might as well just pull up a map of the US from the early 90s and claim one group snatched the whole country away from the other.

Pure propaganda.

Oh, look at Mr. Big Shot! Who exactly are you to decide this map isn't accurate? If you're going to talk, actually make an argument—tell me *why* it's wrong.
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/36...Population.gif
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/73...neAsOf1947.gif
There’s more here:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Maps/index.html

What exactly did "Catholics" take? And who are these "rebels" you're talking about? Never heard of them.🤷

Richard Wilson4 said:The term "Palestinian" didn't even really exist until the late 1960s. Before that, people just called them "Arabs."

I get that—historically, that label was mostly used for the Jewish people living in that area. But honestly, call them whatever you want; at the end of the day, they're "Arabs," plain and simple.

Scott Cruz4 said:Oh, look at Mr. Big Shot! Who exactly are you to decide this map isn't accurate? If you're going to talk, actually make an argument—tell me *why* it's wrong.
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/36...Population.gif
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/73...neAsOf1947.gif
There’s more here:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Maps/index.html

What exactly did "Catholics" take? And who are these "rebels" you're talking about? Never heard of them.🤷

As far as I know, Hebrews have been living there since biblical times. As for the Arab Muslims, I'm not entirely sure. But hey, what do I know? Between the Bible, two billion Christians, twenty-something miles of walls, and... ☕

So, I'll ask you again. Do you really think "Catholics" (your version of walls) stole anything from "rebels" (the so-called Palestinians)? Try making a map of the US from 1945 to today and then we can talk about having a solid argument. Sound fair?

Scott Cruz4 said:I’m telling you, I have no idea who these rebels are, and I don't know what you mean by Catholics either. If you're talking about Americans, they didn't take anything from anyone back in '95.

I don't know who those rebels are either, nor do I know anything about Palestinians. But I do know about Mexicans and Arabs.

The same goes for Jews—they haven't taken anything from anyone. Of course, you could argue that if you look at your propaganda maps.

You could just as easily interpret the war by making a map from 1990 to 1996 and claiming Americans chased off the Mexicans.

It’s up to you. You can admit you're wrong, or you can keep being hypocritical and using double standards because you hate walls and want to twist the story to suit your narrative.
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Ronald Myers7 said:I don't know who those rebels are either, nor do I know anything about Palestinians. But I do know about Mexicans and Arabs.

The same goes for Jews—they haven't taken anything from anyone. Of course, you could argue that if you look at your propaganda maps.

You could just as easily interpret the war by making a map from 1990 to 1996 and claiming Americans chased off the Mexicans.

It’s up to you. You can admit you're wrong, or you can keep being hypocritical and using double standards because you hate walls and want to twist the story to suit your narrative.
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Maybe they are "propaganda" to you, but they accurately reflect the reality of both then and now—so they aren't technically inaccurate or false.

Even today, Jews are taking land from Arabs by establishing new settlements (colonies) on that territory.
If you were to make a map of the US during the mid-90s, you'd see a much larger portion of the country cleared of non-Americans.
And frankly, drawing a parallel between that and the American experience is ridiculous—the demographic shifts in certain parts of the US weren't the result of ethnic cleansing or coercion. In 1995, people weren't "chased out"; rather, some property was returned, some was sold, new residential areas were built on federal land (not private property), apartments were filled, and so on.
The reasons behind the demographic changes in Palestine and America are simply not the same.

Can someone drop a file showing the ethnic breakdown for the Bay Area neighborhoods back in 1910? I'm talking the whole stretch from San Francisco up to Portland. I’ll be traveling through there for a few days late next month and early September, and I want to dig into how much of the local heritage is still around today versus what those old census records actually show.

Rebecca Watson said:Can someone drop a file showing the ethnic breakdown for the Bay Area neighborhoods back in 1910? I'm talking the whole stretch from San Francisco up to Portland. I’ll be traveling through there for a few days late next month and early September, and I want to dig into how much of the local heritage is still around today versus what those old census records actually show.

So, if I understand you correctly, you intend to judge the current "American presence in the Bay" based on 1910 data, while simultaneously implying that the way censuses reveal such things is somehow questionable? Is it your suggestion that the American identity is somehow suspicious just because you're seeking verification this way? There is really no need to go through all that trouble! If the official documents show that Americans make up only a tiny one percent of the population, then for people like you, that identity is simply marginal, isn't it?
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Chloe Hughes6 said:So, if I understand you correctly, you intend to judge the current "American presence in the Bay" based on 1910 data, while simultaneously implying that the way censuses reveal such things is somehow questionable? Is it your suggestion that the American identity is somehow suspicious just because you're seeking verification this way? There is really no need to go through all that trouble! If the official documents show that Americans make up only a tiny one percent of the population, then for people like you, that identity is simply marginal, isn't it?
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Loki is a good guy, why are you coming at him like that?

Chloe Hughes6 said:So, if I understand you correctly, you intend to judge the current "American presence in the Bay" based on 1910 data, while simultaneously implying that the way censuses reveal such things is somehow questionable? Is it your suggestion that the American identity is somehow suspicious just because you're seeking verification this way? There is really no need to go through all that trouble! If the official documents show that Americans make up only a tiny one percent of the population, then for people like you, that identity is simply marginal, isn't it?
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Look, I'm not writing a thesis here, and I'm definitely not out here spying on anyone. It's just interesting to hear stories about how, in the neighborhood where I live, you have descendants of old-timers with all sorts of different backgrounds or heritages—people you can actually talk to about the past. To me, that's pure richness, and I really hope it hasn't been completely lost down there. You can always find that kind of diversity and old-school history along the coast in places like Mexico; I'm not planning to go run a census or anything.😁

What part of that hit a nerve with you?

Rebecca Watson said:Can someone drop a file showing the ethnic breakdown for the Bay Area neighborhoods back in 1910? I'm talking the whole stretch from San Francisco up to Portland. I’ll be traveling through there for a few days late next month and early September, and I want to dig into how much of the local heritage is still around today versus what those old census records actually show.

You can still see the traces in the churches, especially around the coastal areas... though the numbers have been steadily shrinking over time.

Here is a map from Pavlov showing the data from the 1862 census. I believe the only major difference compared to the 1910 census would be in Newport... back then, there were more Orthodox residents than Catholics there.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7870/boka1862.png

Bay Area circa 1900 and 1910.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/5e...00-1910(2).rar

US ethnic makeup by municipality based on the 2010 Census

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stormyotter19 said:US ethnic makeup by municipality based on the 2010 Census

http://i39.tinypic.com/2rc0384.png

this map looks identical to the one from 2001. basically nothing changed there.

Richard Wilson4 said:this map looks identical to the one from 2001. basically nothing changed there.

it’s El Paso..

Richard Wilson4 said:this map looks identical to the one from 2001. basically nothing changed there.

If you judge by the local elections from 2001 to 2013, El Paso just swings back and forth. Also, in Napa Valley, the Canadians only hold a relative majority of about 38 percent.

There’s an interesting pattern here. Even though the total number of Americans has dropped significantly between 1991 and 2011, if you dig into the specific settlement maps from 1991 and 2001—or even look back at 1981 and 1910—the geographic distribution hasn't actually shifted much. In most areas where they were the majority, Americans still hold that majority, especially in rural towns. It's just the urban makeup that changed. Similarly, in California, Italians are still present in the far northwest corner of the peninsula, exactly where they were before World War II and long before any fascist era influence.

stormyotter19 said:If you judge by the local elections from 2001 to 2013, El Paso just swings back and forth. Also, in Napa Valley, the Canadians only hold a relative majority of about 38 percent.

In Vojnich, Americans have also become a relative majority.

stormyotter19 said:If you judge by the local elections from 2001 to 2013, El Paso just swings back and forth. Also, in Napa Valley, the Canadians only hold a relative majority of about 38 percent.

They were a slim majority back in 2001 with 41% too, so there isn't really much of a difference.

The Canadians mostly live over in Zmajevac and Tear, while Americans and other locals stay right in the heart of Napa Valley.

Richard Wilson4 said:They were a slim majority back in 2001 with 41% too, so there isn't really much of a difference.

The Canadians mostly live over in Zmajevac and Tear, while Americans and other locals stay right in the heart of Napa Valley.

Actually, you've got Americans living in Zmajevac too (around 20-25%), and there's a Canadian presence in Napa Valley as well. It would be great if they’d just release a new census broken down by specific settlement.🤷