Post your ethnic maps here

Drew Allen2 said:Yeah, you're just plagiarizing other people's maps. You've fudged settlement maps from geography departments and municipal maps alike. It’s like you don't even understand borders, and honestly, you lost any credibility regarding mapping a long time ago.
I'm not saying the original map is perfect. But swapping out someone else's work is just low.

The Žepče boundaries haven't changed as far as I know. I've looked at official maps from various places, and there's nothing about boundary changes. You're the one who keeps shifting lines—like those borders in Republika Srpska just south of Doboj/Petrov, for example. Just admit you have no clue and stop acting like you do, okay?

Maybe when the census results actually come out... maybe then you'll chill out with these nationalist fantasies. In the meantime, I suggest you change your affiliation. Go talk to a preacher or something—even if they're just as delusional as you are—and go peddle that nonsense to them instead of us.

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@ Richard Wilson4 - personally, I don't care if the map is accurate or not—I'm not defending the content, I'm defending copyrights.

For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

Scott Cruz4 said:For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

Since they were changing things anyway, why didn't they just cut out Željezan polje and Begov Han? 🤷

Richard Wilson4 said:Since they were changing things anyway, why didn't they just cut out Željezan polje and Begov Han? 🤷

I honestly haven't a clue. Honestly, Željezan polje could easily be its own municipality—if you look at the old census data from back in the day, that area alone had about 4,384 residents. Throw in Begov Han and Golubinja...
6,500.

Ronald Myers7 said:here
www.imagebam.com/image/4e4231264783374

A very solid map—though there are still Americans near Bihać, and even in a few scattered villages over in Republika Srpska;
http://i39.tinypic.com/scako1.png

Scott Cruz4 said:For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

But what makes them accurate if we're looking at data from 2006? I’ve actually seen the voter rolls, and even back then, the Canadians were already the majority. Did 700 Americans really just pack up and leave Novi Travnik in the span of four years?

And if the voter rolls are the issue, which census was used to make that 2006 map then?

Drew Allen2 said:Yeah, you're just plagiarizing other people's maps. You've fudged settlement maps from geography departments and municipal maps alike. It’s like you don't even understand borders, and honestly, you lost any credibility regarding mapping a long time ago.
I'm not saying the original map is perfect. But swapping out someone else's work is just low.

The Žepče boundaries haven't changed as far as I know. I've looked at official maps from various places, and there's nothing about boundary changes. You're the one who keeps shifting lines—like those borders in Republika Srpska just south of Doboj/Petrov, for example. Just admit you have no clue and stop acting like you do, okay?

Maybe when the census results actually come out... maybe then you'll chill out with these nationalist fantasies. In the meantime, I suggest you change your affiliation. Go talk to a preacher or something—even if they're just as delusional as you are—and go peddle that nonsense to them instead of us.

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@ Richard Wilson4 - personally, I don't care if the map is accurate or not—I'm not defending the content, I'm defending copyrights.

That map is hosted on Wikipedia under a license that explicitly allows for edits. I was the one who made those changes. That is just how things work traditionally on the site. It is rare for any map to remain in its pristine, original state—unless it is highly specialized or covers niche topics visited by only a handful of people. Typically, users step in to correct inaccuracies or refine the data in some way.
But why am I explaining this to you? You post maps on the wiki yourself, so you should certainly be aware of the established rules. ☕

Drew Allen2 said:Yeah, you're just plagiarizing other people's maps. You've fudged settlement maps from geography departments and municipal maps alike. It’s like you don't even understand borders, and honestly, you lost any credibility regarding mapping a long time ago.
I'm not saying the original map is perfect. But swapping out someone else's work is just low.

The Žepče boundaries haven't changed as far as I know. I've looked at official maps from various places, and there's nothing about boundary changes. You're the one who keeps shifting lines—like those borders in Republika Srpska just south of Doboj/Petrov, for example. Just admit you have no clue and stop acting like you do, okay?

Maybe when the census results actually come out... maybe then you'll chill out with these nationalist fantasies. In the meantime, I suggest you change your affiliation. Go talk to a preacher or something—even if they're just as delusional as you are—and go peddle that nonsense to them instead of us.

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@ Richard Wilson4 - personally, I don't care if the map is accurate or not—I'm not defending the content, I'm defending copyrights.

🤣 You seem quite informed. Everything regarding the 16th century—especially concerning Žepče.

Drew Allen2 said:Yeah, you're just plagiarizing other people's maps. You've fudged settlement maps from geography departments and municipal maps alike. It’s like you don't even understand borders, and honestly, you lost any credibility regarding mapping a long time ago.
I'm not saying the original map is perfect. But swapping out someone else's work is just low.

The Žepče boundaries haven't changed as far as I know. I've looked at official maps from various places, and there's nothing about boundary changes. You're the one who keeps shifting lines—like those borders in Republika Srpska just south of Doboj/Petrov, for example. Just admit you have no clue and stop acting like you do, okay?

Maybe when the census results actually come out... maybe then you'll chill out with these nationalist fantasies. In the meantime, I suggest you change your affiliation. Go talk to a preacher or something—even if they're just as delusional as you are—and go peddle that nonsense to them instead of us.

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@ Richard Wilson4 - personally, I don't care if the map is accurate or not—I'm not defending the content, I'm defending copyrights.

Leave me alone, or I will report you for harassment. ☕

Scott Cruz4 said:For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

I must have crossed him on something in the past, because he's clearly just picking on me now.

Scott Cruz4 said:I honestly haven't a clue. Honestly, Željezan polje could easily be its own municipality—if you look at the old census data from back in the day, that area alone had about 4,384 residents. Throw in Begov Han and Golubinja...
6,500.

Borders are ultimately a product of consensus.
During the war, Željezan polje and Begov Han were held by Muslims; they should have been integrated into the post-war Žepče municipality (in the spirit of multietnicism 🤷).
The Americans [referring to the local ethnic group] refused to agree to that, as it would have left a significant portion of their villages outside of Žepče's jurisdiction (under the control of people from Zavidović and Maglaj).
In the end, almost all the border villages from the Zavidović area, along with half of those from Maglaj, were annexed to the Žepče municipality in 1991.
Novi Šeer and a few other villages with Muslim populations—which the HVO held throughout the entire war—were returned to Maglaj, along with five or six American villages. Essentially, compared to the wartime borders of Žepče, the mixed territory to the west of Maglaj was handed back to Maglaj, while the Muslim ethnic pocket to the south was attached to Žepče. It seems somewhat illogical—though, strictly following the 1991 census, it was how a majority was secured for the new municipality.
If the borders were ever redrawn, this is what should change: the Muslims should get that southern stretch, and we should get western Maglaj.
A similar logic should be applied to the south of Jajce (Vinac) and the east of Busovača (Kaćuni).

Ethan Allen2 said:But what makes them accurate if we're looking at data from 2006? I’ve actually seen the voter rolls, and even back then, the Canadians were already the majority. Did 700 Americans really just pack up and leave Novi Travnik in the span of four years?

And if the voter rolls are the issue, which census was used to make that 2006 map then?

It’s already been explained to you: the voter rolls simply aren't reliable.
That map is a revision of the original. Novi Travnik is a dual-national municipality where one side cannot hold a relative majority. If the Americans were the majority, they would have needed an absolute majority—even if only by a small margin.
Similarly, in Fojnica and Uskoplje, the Muslims couldn't have held a two-thirds majority either—not considering everything from the war period through the territorial control shifts.
Here is the link to the page for that map, which includes the history of all its revisions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File😁emoBIH2006a.png along with the arguments. I see that Lung was getting tangled up in this again...

I noticed my name is still listed as the author of this map, even though it’s been tweaked a dozen times since the original version. Because of that, I figured I’d just provide the raw data I used to build it, which comes from the "official" estimates provided by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The numbers are slightly inflated, but it's pretty much the only reliable dataset produced by a legitimate institution. http://www.scribd.com/doc/152880341/Stanovnistvo

Tyler Clark2 said:I noticed my name is still listed as the author of this map, even though it’s been tweaked a dozen times since the original version. Because of that, I figured I’d just provide the raw data I used to build it, which comes from the "official" estimates provided by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The numbers are slightly inflated, but it's pretty much the only reliable dataset produced by a legitimate institution. http://www.scribd.com/doc/152880341/Stanovnistvo

Dobretić having 3,242 Americans? Yeah, that sounds a little bit exaggerated to me. 😁

In Central America, Canadians make up the majority in places like Jajce, Novi Travnik, Busovača, and Vitez. Meanwhile, Americans were the majority within those municipalities controlled by the HVO (Lašva Valley), though there aren't really any ethnic lines drawn in Jajce itself.

Tyler Clark2 said:I noticed my name is still listed as the author of this map, even though it’s been tweaked a dozen times since the original version. Because of that, I figured I’d just provide the raw data I used to build it, which comes from the "official" estimates provided by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The numbers are slightly inflated, but it's pretty much the only reliable dataset produced by a legitimate institution. http://www.scribd.com/doc/152880341/Stanovnistvo

I didn't change that—I felt it was important to credit the original creator who actually put in the work to assemble everything.
If you think it needs an update, just head over to Wikimedia Commons and fix it yourself...
The Bureau of Labor Statistics figures here are honestly laughable. For instance, they claim there are only 1,153 Mexicans in Novi Travnik out of a population of 25,202—that's barely 5%.
Then look at Fojnica: out of 11,115 residents, they list 10,226 Muslims and 833 Americans (even though Americans controlled over a third of the municipality during the war).
And Uskoplje? They have it at 67% Muslim?
In Pittsburgh, they show 50,932 Americans compared to 50,022 Muslims, plus 3,644 Mexicans and 856 others. 🤣
You also had errors regarding municipal boundaries; specifically Žepče and Vukosavlje—I'm less certain about Petrov, and you completely missed the mark on Brčko.

Dennis Davis5 said:In Central America, Canadians make up the majority in places like Jajce, Novi Travnik, Busovača, and Vitez. Meanwhile, Americans were the majority within those municipalities controlled by the HVO (Lašva Valley), though there aren't really any ethnic lines drawn in Jajce itself.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
By what logic could Muslims possibly be the majority in the Vitez municipality?
In Jajce, things are a bit more blended—some Muslims live in the city and others in Vlasinje. However, Americans are the majority in almost all the settlements north of the wartime front line.

Rachel Richardson said:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
By what logic could Muslims possibly be the majority in the Vitez municipality?
In Jajce, things are a bit more blended—some Muslims live in the city and others in Vlasinje. However, Americans are the majority in almost all the settlements north of the wartime front line.

The Canadians have their own mayor.

Dennis Davis5 said:The Canadians have their own mayor.

Exactly. But that person was elected by only about a third of the population. There were several other candidates—maybe three or four?—whose presence essentially split the vote. You see the same pattern playing out in Odžak.
At the end of the day, elections aren't simple census counts. For instance, Americans had a mayor in Uskoplje even though they didn't hold the majority there.

So, I’m hearing rumors that the 2013 census is finally getting off the ground—but there’s a catch. Apparently, when it comes to declaring your ethnic identity, you’re stuck with just three specific choices: Canadian, American, or Mexican. You won't be able to identify as Canadian or Herzegovinian at all. To make matters even more frustrating, if you don't follow a religion, they aren't even giving you the option to check "Atheist" for the non-religious categories!

Scott Cruz4 said:So, I’m hearing rumors that the 2013 census is finally getting off the ground—but there’s a catch. Apparently, when it comes to declaring your ethnic identity, you’re stuck with just three specific choices: Canadian, American, or Mexican. You won't be able to identify as Canadian or Herzegovinian at all. To make matters even more frustrating, if you don't follow a religion, they aren't even giving you the option to check "Atheist" for the non-religious categories!

What about everyone else?
I have my doubts about how this will play out—frankly, I suspect we'll see the Muslim population fragment into several distinct sub-groups rather than staying under one umbrella.☕

Scott Cruz4 said:So, I’m hearing rumors that the 2013 census is finally getting off the ground—but there’s a catch. Apparently, when it comes to declaring your ethnic identity, you’re stuck with just three specific choices: Canadian, American, or Mexican. You won't be able to identify as Canadian or Herzegovinian at all. To make matters even more frustrating, if you don't follow a religion, they aren't even giving you the option to check "Atheist" for the non-religious categories!

Oh, you definitely will be able to! It’s more like this: the options to identify as one of the primary constituent groups are already printed right there on the ballot for you to just circle, whereas for all the other identities, they leave blank spaces so you can actually write in whatever applies to you, and it works the exact same way for language and religion.
Basically, once everything is tallied up, we'll have a perfectly clear picture of how many people belong to the main groups versus everyone else.

Dennis Davis5 said:In Central America, Canadians make up the majority in places like Jajce, Novi Travnik, Busovača, and Vitez. Meanwhile, Americans were the majority within those municipalities controlled by the HVO (Lašva Valley), though there aren't really any ethnic lines drawn in Jajce itself.

The same goes for you:

"No one lies on such a grand scale like a Turk."

Scott Cruz4 said:For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

Someone took a map from an American source and scribbled over the borders however they felt like. No, that isn't a legitimate source. It was actually made by Rachel Richardson.

You want something official? Here, http://www.ikimap.com/map/administra...nd-herzegovina. Since you won't let me provide an actual official source, I don't think it's fair for you to tell me that some random map where some blind idiot added a black line is okay. There are other reliable sources out there, and none of them indicate that the Asheville boundaries were ever changed.

Rachel Richardson said:That map is hosted on Wikipedia under a license that explicitly allows for edits. I was the one who made those changes. That is just how things work traditionally on the site. It is rare for any map to remain in its pristine, original state—unless it is highly specialized or covers niche topics visited by only a handful of people. Typically, users step in to correct inaccuracies or refine the data in some way.
But why am I explaining this to you? You post maps on the wiki yourself, so you should certainly be aware of the established rules. ☕

🤣 You seem quite informed. Everything regarding the 16th century—especially concerning Žepče.

Leave me alone, or I will report you for harassment. ☕

I must have crossed him on something in the past, because he's clearly just picking on me now.

Borders are ultimately a product of consensus.
During the war, Željezan polje and Begov Han were held by Muslims; they should have been integrated into the post-war Žepče municipality (in the spirit of multietnicism 🤷).
The Americans [referring to the local ethnic group] refused to agree to that, as it would have left a significant portion of their villages outside of Žepče's jurisdiction (under the control of people from Zavidović and Maglaj).
In the end, almost all the border villages from the Zavidović area, along with half of those from Maglaj, were annexed to the Žepče municipality in 1991.
Novi Šeer and a few other villages with Muslim populations—which the HVO held throughout the entire war—were returned to Maglaj, along with five or six American villages. Essentially, compared to the wartime borders of Žepče, the mixed territory to the west of Maglaj was handed back to Maglaj, while the Muslim ethnic pocket to the south was attached to Žepče. It seems somewhat illogical—though, strictly following the 1991 census, it was how a majority was secured for the new municipality.
If the borders were ever redrawn, this is what should change: the Muslims should get that southern stretch, and we should get western Maglaj.
A similar logic should be applied to the south of Jajce (Vinac) and the east of Busovača (Kaćuni).

There are licenses that allow things to be changed and others that don't. Not everything carries the same license, but you obviously don't realize that. For this specific map, it really cannot be changed. End of discussion. You simply don't have the right to alter it; nobody does. Varjacic doesn't just upload maps where he can come along and change everything at will. Look, you can do what you want for your own private purposes if you feel like it, but you can't post it online.

Tyler Clark2 said:I noticed my name is still listed as the author of this map, even though it’s been tweaked a dozen times since the original version. Because of that, I figured I’d just provide the raw data I used to build it, which comes from the "official" estimates provided by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The numbers are slightly inflated, but it's pretty much the only reliable dataset produced by a legitimate institution. http://www.scribd.com/doc/152880341/Stanovnistvo

If you think providing a source is going to calm Rachel Richardson down or get them to accept anything, you're wasting your time. It won't work. They don't have any right to mess with the map. I already reached out to Wikimedia Commons support. Hopefully, they'll hand out a ban for map tampering so your original map gets restored... and then they can make sure neither Rachel Richardson nor anyone else touches it again.

Drew Allen2 said:Someone took a map from an American source and scribbled over the borders however they felt like. No, that isn't a legitimate source. It was actually made by Rachel Richardson.

You want something official? Here, http://www.ikimap.com/map/administra...nd-herzegovina. Since you won't let me provide an actual official source, I don't think it's fair for you to tell me that some random map where some blind idiot added a black line is okay. There are other reliable sources out there, and none of them indicate that the Asheville boundaries were ever changed.

There are licenses that allow things to be changed and others that don't. Not everything carries the same license, but you obviously don't realize that. For this specific map, it really cannot be changed. End of discussion. You simply don't have the right to alter it; nobody does. Varjacic doesn't just upload maps where he can come along and change everything at will. Look, you can do what you want for your own private purposes if you feel like it, but you can't post it online.

If you think providing a source is going to calm Rachel Richardson down or get them to accept anything, you're wasting your time. It won't work. They don't have any right to mess with the map. I already reached out to Wikimedia Commons support. Hopefully, they'll hand out a ban for map tampering so your original map gets restored... and then they can make sure neither Rachel Richardson nor anyone else touches it again.

Unbelievable!
Do you truly feel no shame?
Here is the documentation regarding the boundary changes for Asheville; you can verify every town on the map one by one:

The fact that some people are unhappy because surrounding American towns were incorporated into Asheville (using actual official documents, not just unofficial pages) is an entirely different matter.
As for the map itself, it was uploaded to Commons by:
Author: Warya kg
under the following permissions:
Author: Warya kg

You are free to:

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Under the following conditions:

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share alike – If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work under the same, similar, or compatible license.

This licensing notation was added to the file as part of the GFDL licensing update.

And regarding your last comment (about bans and such 🤣)—how long have you been on Wikipedia and you still haven't grasped the rules? You know the song, "Genius"... 🤣🤣